But as Krugman has said for years now, contra CNBC, there is no fiscal crisis. If there were, the Treasury would not be able to borrow at 1.57 percent, as it did yesterday, near all-time lows and below the current rate of inflation (meaning investors are paying Uncle Sam to borrow their money). Krugman, among many others, is vehemently opposed to Simpson-Bowles, which is a deficit plan that would put an artificial cap on government revenue and reduce tax rates on the rich by 12 percentage points.
The advocacy of a certain type of Very Serious (to cop a Krugmanism) point of view isn’t the only problem with the Rise Above nonsense. It’s the reporting—poor to the point of misleading— on what the “fiscal cliff” is. You’d think if you were going to jeopardize what’s left of your journalistic credibility with a crusade that you’d do a better job explaining the issue.
First, the terminology. The term “fiscal cliff” is deeply misleading and a broader media failure in its own right (our Greg Marx has a good explainer on the nomenclature). It’s more like a fiscal slope or better yet austerity gridlock. The problem is that if no agreement is reached, current law will slash the deficit by sharply raising taxes and gutting spending.
If Obama and Boehner don’t reach an agreement by December 31, the economy will not plunge into a precipice on January 1. Here we’ll turn to no less an authority on business and investing than Warren E. Buffett, who says, “The fact they can’t get along for the month of January is not going to torpedo the economy.” Reuters notes that the tax increases and spending cuts wouldn’t be implemented for months.
But CNBC has no qualms about “fiscal cliff,” which it uses without context.
And this gets to another problem with Rise Above: Does anyone think the two sides weren’t going to hammer out some agreement to avoid $720 billion in new taxes and spending cuts by the end of next year but for the self-righteous protestations of talking heads on CNBC?
Last but not least is the hypocrisy of CNBC in talking about Rising Above politics. This is the network, after all, that kicked off the Tea Party, an austerity push that was one of the more damaging political movements in recent memory. With no apparent irony, CNBC features Rick Santelli himself in its ad, urging politicians “to reach across the aisle,” while looking angry as ever:
Reach across the aisle, losers!
This is the network that employs Larry “Goldilocks” Kudlow, whose record of being appallingly wrong is rivaled only by his record of ideological rigidity, whose lesson for Republicans three days after the election, was “Don’t Go Wobbly, GOP.” Rise Above—the re-elected president of the United States!
But CNBC is working hard to appear even-handed on its anti-politics campaign:
With the American economy held hostage by politicians from both parties, CNBC is launching a network-wide initiative to call attention to the fiscal crisis.
Note the last two words there: “fiscal cliff” has become “fiscal crisis” and fiscal crisis is a synonym for deficit spending.
But the “both parties” formulation is false equivalence. It’s simple: You can’t have meaningful medium to long-term deficit reduction without raising taxes, Obama and the Democrats have cut trillions of dollars in spending, and Republicans have refused to raise taxes. Most non-blowhards already know this—A poll by CNBC’s better half, NBC News, found that Americans say Republicans get the blame for any standoff by 53-29 compared to Obama—why doesn’t CNBC agree?
It’s just not CNBC’s job, institutionally, to campaign for anything. Cover the news, as they say, don’t become it.
— Further reading:
CNBC: kid gloves for bankers, boxing gloves for bank critics. Interviews with Barofsky, Spitzer, and Krugman underscore the network’s capture.
Waiting for CNBC. A tragicomedy in one long act.
CNBC Editor: The People Are Revolting! Rick Santelli plays Mel Brooks playing Louis XVI.
A Zombie Lie Is Born. CNBC’s false welfare-state story spreads far and wide.
Becky Quick Thinks the Fed Is Too Focused on Jobs. That makes no sense historically or in the current context.
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It's hard to imagine that anyone has credited CNBC with hard-hitting "American" journalism recently. Self-serving CEO interviews and breathless, vapid comments about the ups and downs of the stock market, Fed decisions and the like have been its staple. When it comes to CNBC, most of America scratches its head and yawns. Ratings, such as they are, say it all.
#1 Posted by Gerry Steckman, CJR on Tue 20 Nov 2012 at 03:20 PM
Krugman vindicated? Ryan Chittum, you are very funny. Clown funny.
You of all people scold CNBC over political advocacy? That's some chutzpah you have there Chitty boy!
#2 Posted by Ethical Self-loving Jew, CJR on Tue 20 Nov 2012 at 04:28 PM
@2: I think it's time ESJ takes a refresher course on basic logic.
RC says: CNBC claims to be promoting a non-partisan campaign. But in fact they are extremely partisan. For example, they ignore influential thinkers like A.
ESJ says: Thinker A isn't non-partisan! RC is a hypocrite!
Sigh. All very sad. And weird how so many people (mostly of a particular political bent) are unable to process Krugman's (et al's) ideas at all. Obviously, Krugman is as biased and full of crap as Nate Silver.
#3 Posted by Noah Body, CJR on Tue 20 Nov 2012 at 04:39 PM
CNBC = all propaganda, all the time. Kernan's the worst, closely followed by Kudlow, Santelli, Cabruso-Cabrera, Bartiromo. It's embarrassing as spectacle and worthless as news. To their credit, they did get rid of O'Neal and Gasbag.
#4 Posted by MitchN, CJR on Tue 20 Nov 2012 at 06:22 PM
No man can serve two masters.
#5 Posted by For Profit Meda Industrial Complex, CJR on Tue 20 Nov 2012 at 07:56 PM
Bloomberg is the Channel for business news. If you are a Tea Party Partisan I can understand your worship of Kernan and Santelli. These both are a complete turnoff for everyone I know. I only switch to CNBC if Bloomberg has an Ad but then switch back immediately.
#6 Posted by James Mercado, CJR on Wed 21 Nov 2012 at 08:04 AM
"Obama and the Democrats have cut trillions of dollars in spending" This kind of mis-guided thinking got France, Spain and Greece in trouble. Obama has out spent any president by far, and is intent on increased entitlement spending (ie: Food Stamps w/o work/training requirement, Welfare by trying to eliminate work/training requirement, Obama Care and on and on). His last budget proposal got zero votes from Dems and Republicans alike. The Dems are Fiscal misfits with no budget passed in three years. There is no fiscal crises yet, but it is not like you will find it on a calendar. If it happens it will hit when it is too late to fix like the 2008 crises. That is the nature of a "crises".
#7 Posted by Don, CJR on Wed 21 Nov 2012 at 09:54 AM
A decade ago I kept CNBC on in the background maybe 10 hours a day. I didn't hang on every word, obviously, but I occasionally found some news or segment to be interesting. That ended about the time of Rick Santelli's launch of the Tea Party, where he ginned up all the wrong people for all the wrong reasons. I have since become acutely aware of their ideological lock and have stopped watching almost entirely. (Bloomberg is available on my system.)
Once in a while I'll drift back, the funniest was a couple weeks ago when Joe Kernan held up a little chart he's printed on his home computer at 4am to prove there was no global warming. Seriously. (Whether there is or isn't isn't the point, it was just so hilariously reactionary - and irrelevant to the discussion at hand - that I had to laugh.)
FWIW our household just finished (several months ago, actually) a survey period for one of the better known Tv ratings services. CNBC did not show a single minute of viewing by us. In an earlier time they would have racked up the points, but that is past. Perhaps they should reconsider their (now apparent) ideological bias and try balancing things a bit? Just a thought.
#8 Posted by Rick Starr, CJR on Wed 21 Nov 2012 at 09:55 AM
Great Article!
CNBC, not a news organization- FOX junior
#9 Posted by Alex Kulesa, CJR on Wed 21 Nov 2012 at 10:10 AM
CNBC serves two primary functions:
It is a marketer of securities and commodities
It is an advocate for the financial interests of the sellers of securities and commodities.
Think Home Shopping Network. Stop thinking business journalism.
#10 Posted by David Gerstein, CJR on Wed 21 Nov 2012 at 10:42 AM
"...but the American economy will only be unleashed if we avoid the fiscal cliff, pare our deficit and rise above partisan politics."
This is the kind of moronic statement that's dominating all our media, not just CNBC. They do know, don't they, that the reason the fiscal cliff needs to be avoided is because it pares the deficit, right?
And actually, Don, the Obama administration has cut spending significantly. The reason deficits are so high under his administration is that revenues - meaning tax collections - are at historic lows.
But like the CNBC folks, don't let the facts get in your way....
#11 Posted by John Glover, CJR on Wed 21 Nov 2012 at 10:43 AM
I am no fan of the CNBC crew but this piece reads like a discarded post from the Think Progress blog.
Chittum doesn't make a serious attempt to evaluate the issues.
The President himself refers to the "fiscal cliff" and speaks of the need for long-term spending changes -- that's part of the "balance" the President is seeking to go with the tax increases .
#12 Posted by reading, CJR on Wed 21 Nov 2012 at 11:18 AM
I am no fan of the CNBC crew but this piece reads like a discarded post from the Think Progress blog.
Chittum doesn't make a serious attempt to evaluate the issues.
The President himself refers to the "fiscal cliff" and speaks of the need for long-term spending changes -- that's part of the "balance" the President is seeking to go with the tax increases .
#13 Posted by reading, CJR on Wed 21 Nov 2012 at 11:26 AM
CNBC used to do business news, now its hard to tell CNBC from Fox news.
#14 Posted by Steve Alan, CJR on Wed 21 Nov 2012 at 12:27 PM
some guy on zerohedge recommended this column. so, that guy is selling his product in competition with jon najarian who competes with ameritrade or whatever. zerohedge is now profiled as typical . oh well, anyone who assumes the risk is compelled to maximize wealth and can see this is typical structure of hardline leftists and indulgent yuppies. free speech and the vitality of wealth is egregious to liberals. so who is gonna buy zerohedge now?
#15 Posted by jacksnuz, CJR on Wed 21 Nov 2012 at 01:04 PM
Great article!
I stopped watching CNBS a long time ago because of its Wall St propaganda. FYI - Bloomberg isn't much better.
The best financial news program today "Capital Account with Lauren Lyster" http://www.youtube.com/user/capitalaccount
The best financial reporting is done by Rolling Stone's Matt Taibbi http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog
#16 Posted by bubbles, CJR on Wed 21 Nov 2012 at 02:04 PM
It might help the debate if people actually look at the real graphs on spending, taxes, and debt. I just animated them as a cartoon, to make it a little easier to see where the real problem is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd4HDautaUw
#17 Posted by Lee A. Arnold, CJR on Wed 21 Nov 2012 at 02:06 PM
CNBC = the capitalist Pravda.
Although that might be a little unfair to the original.
"Heroically embrace Simpson-Bowles, comrades, and increase tractor production 75!"
Although Maria probably wouldn't look as good in overalls and a red bandana.
#18 Posted by Peter Principle, CJR on Wed 21 Nov 2012 at 02:07 PM
Jacksnuz, I read your post to intimate that liberals dislike wealth and wealthy people. I am a liberal, and I know many, many liberals, all of whom DO NOT dislike wealth and the wealthy, in general. I, and many like me, dislike wealth accumulated from money manipulation, like hedgefunders and other Wall Street money hogs (hedgehogs?). We do, however, admire wealth accumulated by entreprenuers who PRODUCE SOMETHING TANGIBLE! Were it up to me, I would cut taxes for those who produce tangible goods, and raise taxes on the money grubbers to 90%. They would still have millions to toss around. I doubt very seriously you even know a liberal personally.
#19 Posted by Jerry Sullivan, CJR on Wed 21 Nov 2012 at 02:36 PM
CNBC has a specific market and a specific purpose. From reports I've heard it's like Fox News on the military radio - ALWAYS playing around the traders and dealers on wall street. That's their market.
Why?
Because mad money men tell you what to buy and sell. Wall Street is a game that profits based on social behavior. If you bought low, and you wait for the marks to pour in, you can sell high. The object you're buying? Doesn't matter. The object you're shorting? Doesn't matter. What matters is the sways and swells of crowd behavior.
And this is the only reason why CNBC is on 24 hours a day on the trading desks because it can sway the crowd, which means, if you can
put your betsplace your calls just before everybody else does who's watching CNBC, you can be in the position to sell high before the commercial break.CNBC is so influential because every Wall Street trader believes CNBC is influential on everybody else but them. If there was a transaction tax or a period of time demanded between purchase and resale introduced into the market, CNBC as it exists today would become worthless.
And since their market is these high frequency seller buyer trader types, CNBC's editorial slant is from this street oriented, free markety, FYIGM, mentality. Think that might have had something to do with why Dylan Ratigan left?
Whatever happened to that guy anyways?
#20 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 21 Nov 2012 at 03:12 PM
"Krugman is Keynesian kryptonite"
Amusing since fiscal cliff fretfulness is Keynesian reasoning for the most part.
#21 Posted by bdbd, CJR on Wed 21 Nov 2012 at 04:08 PM
Terrific article. It has been painful to watch CNBC distort the issues in the fiscal debate while frantically waving the "Rise Above" flag. The pretense that Kernan, Bartiromo and Santelli can "rise above" their devisive, narrow ideological DNA is just absurd.
#22 Posted by E Kevin Collins, CJR on Wed 21 Nov 2012 at 04:39 PM
Oh, freaking HA!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/21/paul-krugman-cnbc_n_2170684.html
""Don’t spend much time watching CNBC," the Nobel Prize-winning economist and New York Times columnist wrote in a blog post Wednesday. "It’s bad for your financial and intellectual health."
Inspired by a recent piece about CNBC from the Columbia Journalism Review's Ryan Chittum, Krugman wrote that "the network has gone all in on behalf of the 0.01 percent." Krugman argued that those who usually watch business news consider themselves to be part of the "economic elite." Therefore, he says, those who regularly consume business television have certain kind of stubborn personality that doesn't acknowledge "evidence.""
#23 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 21 Nov 2012 at 06:36 PM
@2
"full of crap as Nate Silver"?
Written on November 20, in this year of our Lord 2012? 14 days after an election the results of which Nate Silver nailed down to two decimal points?
Wow!
#24 Posted by arbitrot, CJR on Wed 21 Nov 2012 at 06:46 PM
@ #16, Lee A. Arnold
Very nice piece of work at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd4HDautaUw
Thanks.
#25 Posted by arbitrot, CJR on Wed 21 Nov 2012 at 07:01 PM
""full of crap as Nate Silver"?"
Read that comment carefully.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSRildGCw64
#26 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 21 Nov 2012 at 07:26 PM
I quit CNBC about six months ago. They are so obviously slanted as to be repugnunt.
#27 Posted by Perry, CJR on Wed 21 Nov 2012 at 09:36 PM
You all call CNBC Fox Junior......like MSNBC's liberal analysts provide real news. All you get there is propoganda and the GOP is the root of all evil as if democrats can do no wrong in anything. CNBC is pretty balanced and at least on Larry Kudlow's show you get both sides of the story even if he does lean to the right.
#28 Posted by Daniel, CJR on Wed 21 Nov 2012 at 10:54 PM
"But as Krugman has said for years now, contra CNBC, there is no fiscal crisis. If there were, the Treasury would not be able to borrow at 1.57 percent, as it did yesterday, near all-time lows and below the current rate of inflation (meaning investors are paying Uncle Sam to borrow their money)."
So what?? In December 2007, 5 year credit default swaps on Greece could be bought for 35 basis points. Three years later they were trading at 26,500 basis points. My point is not to allege that the US is the same as Greece, merely to point out that the 'wisdom' of the financial markets at any given point in time is totally meaningless. Krugman is either an economist, or he isn't. To invoke the current level of interest rates as 'proof' that the debt should be expanded further is simply nonsense. But then, Krugman is even pining for imaginary Alien invasions just so that the government has a reason to step up what is already the biggest spending spree in all of history by yet another notch.
#29 Posted by pater tenebrarum, CJR on Wed 21 Nov 2012 at 11:17 PM
If you "Rise Above" a cliff, aren't you just about to plunge to its depths?
#30 Posted by Morph, CJR on Wed 21 Nov 2012 at 11:53 PM
have been referring to CNBC as Fox Business News for years. Kudlow, Kernan, Santelli, Bartoromo and Caruso-Cabrera don't even try to be objective journalists. Kudlow was spouting off about the "goldilocks economy" right up to the worst financial crisis in 80 years. Santelli is the patron saint of teabaggers. The few non-partisan commentators - Steve Liesman and Andrew Ross Sorkin - seem too intimidated by the likes of Kernan and Santelli to fight back, although Liesman and Santelli have had some good confrontations that usually end with the Santelli screaming and sputtering at his colleague while Kernan eggs him on. During the 90s I watched the network frequently. CNBC dropped the ball in 2008 and completely missed the coming crisis. Today I only turn it on for a few seconds at a time to check the market numbers, then switch off immediately, especially if Kernan or Kudlow are on. I agree, Bloomberg is much more even handed and thorough in how they cover business.
#31 Posted by jpc1591, CJR on Thu 22 Nov 2012 at 01:15 AM
"So what?? In December 2007, 5 year credit default swaps on Greece could be bought for 35 basis points. Three years later they were trading at 26,500 basis points. My point is not to allege that the US is the same as Greece, merely to point out that the 'wisdom' of the financial markets at any given point in time is totally meaningless. Krugman is either an economist, or he isn't. To invoke the current level of interest rates as 'proof' that the debt should be expanded further is simply nonsense."
If financial market wisdom was our only guiding force:
A) we'd have a much more stupid world, hard as that is to imagine (actually a world of Bartiromos and Santellis is not hard to imagine. It would be a horrific world, with Mitt Romney as its leader, but it's all too easy to imagine a stupider world than the one we've got. It's small blessing worth much appreciation)
B) krugman is an economist, and he has made an economic case based on economic data accumulated from various countries in the past and present.
Cont..
#32 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Thu 22 Nov 2012 at 02:24 AM
And the economic data says the US isn't Greece. It's Japan.
Seriously.
#33 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Thu 22 Nov 2012 at 02:45 AM
So what does Krugman say about America based on his expertise in Japan.
Could be worse, and if we had had a monetary union being run by German inflation hawks or a English elected government with the brilliant idea of starving to plenty, it would have been.
But it could have been better. Hell, Japan could have been better, and they were a model compared to us. There are influential people in our world who desperately want us to do the wrong things. They want to preserve privilege and power even at the cost of the economy, even at the potential cost of our species as it relates to climate change.
And these people, who rail at every attempt to mitigate the disasters they profited from as 'bailouts to losers' mortgages' which explode the deficit are panicking because the fiscal cliff will hurt their privileges - their bush tax cuts - the implementation of which was greatly responsible for the US not being to pay the federal debt off.
These people always exist to counsel us to do the wrong thing. We just have to learn not to listen to them. They're stupid.
#34 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Thu 22 Nov 2012 at 03:08 AM
Joe Kernan constantly cackles "Keynesian tax AND spending" doesn't work, (emphasis mine). Had Kernan stuck to his knitting as a drug company analyst he'd be interesting. But I honestly don't think he knows anything about economics other than the Kudlow/Laffer blather that became de rigueur during the Bush administration.
So, CNBC, the same people who didn't see the credit crisis coming, and derided and even laughed at those who did, now claims to hold the moral high ground!
FWITW, I do think Bloomberg is MUCH better.
#35 Posted by oldbluejeans, CJR on Thu 22 Nov 2012 at 07:04 AM
Was very interested to read it and some good points, but your dripping indignation detracts. Stations advocate. MSNBC didn't run a single negative Obama story the week before the election, so credit for that. However you go too far with things like suggesting "stimulating" the economy must be supported or X other issue to comment on this. People can still disagree in this country, and if you thought taking money from people to pay off Wall Street firms called 'stimulus" was bad, you might make the point that taking money from people to pay off Wall Street firms in the name of averting a "fiscal cliff" or for QE1, QE2, QE3 where also bad.
Practice what you want CNBC to do or you're as big a hypocrite as they are.
#36 Posted by Chico, CJR on Thu 22 Nov 2012 at 07:27 AM
Joe Kernen has always been a right winger. David Faber has not and others have not either.
#37 Posted by Stanley Kelley, CJR on Thu 22 Nov 2012 at 11:31 AM
Good morning reads:
http://www.esquire.com/_mobile/blogs/politics/fiscal-cliff-compromise-112012
"As the negotiations regarding the looming Gentle Fiscal Incline continue apace, the folks inside the Beltway — both the politicians and our courtier press — are explaining quite openly that the inclusion of Social Security, Medicare, and (to a lesser extent) Medicaid in these discussions exists solely for the purposes of throwing a sop to the losers of the last election. It is a purely political thing, and not economic in the least. The Republicans won't budge on things that really matter, if you take the "crisis" of the Gentle Fiscal Incline seriously, unless the Democrats demonstrate their good faith by beginning the process of abandoning the party's historic commitment to even our current threadbare social safety net. In return, the Republicans promise to (maybe) close some tax loopholes and ask the richest people in the country to toss some boutonniere money into the pot.
This is almost fathomless cynicism."
http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/11/21/why-rich-guys-want-to-raise-the-retirement-age/
"[T]he cavalier endorsement of raising the retirement age by people who really love their jobs, who make so much money they barely pay Social Security taxes, and who are, actuarially speaking, are ensured a long and healthy life, drives me nuts...
The first point worth making here is that the country's economy has grown 15-fold since Social Security was passed into law. One of the things the richest society the world has ever known can buy is a decent retirement for people who don't have jobs they love and who don't want to work forever.
The second point worth making is that Social Security was overhauled in the ’80s. So the promises the program is carrying out today were made then. And, since the ’80s, the idea that we've all gained so many years of life simply isn’t true...
That’s what’s galling about this easy argument. The people who make it, the pundits and the senators and the CEOs, they'll never feel it. They don't want to retire at age 65, and they don’t have short life expectancies, and they’re not mainly relying on Social Security for their retirement income. They’re bravely advocating a cut they’ll never feel.
But you know what they would feel? Social Security taxes don't apply to income over $110,000...
If we lifted that cap, if we made all income subject to payroll taxes, the Congressional Budget Office estimates that it would do three times as much to solve Social Security's shortfall as raising the retirement age to 70. In fact, it would, in one fell swoop, close Social Security's solvency gap for the next 75 years."
Some how, I don't think the rise in 'Rise Above' refers to the payroll tax cap. For democrats the demand means 'Rise Above' the corpses of those who will be untimely dead as the thin strings which support them are cut by those without shame.
I prefer the Liz Warren approach of 'leaving blood and teeth on the floor'.
#38 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Thu 22 Nov 2012 at 01:20 PM
"Stations advocate."
Very true. But the real problem here this isn't that CNBC is advocating. It's that CNBC is advocating while PRETENDING NOT TO ADVOCATE. It's framed its campaign in such a way to pretend that it's being non-partisan, "Rising Above" petty politics and parties, saving the nation from partisanship/ideology, acting in not to take sides but simply to honor "the spirit of America" etc. etc. when in fact it is taking a partisan/ideological position.
#39 Posted by whm, CJR on Thu 22 Nov 2012 at 01:43 PM
You have to wonder about the timing. Shortly after Obama took office in 2009, Rick Santelli went into an extended "spontaneous" rant that was timed in perfect coordination with the planned launch of the Tea Party.
Santelli's rant was against any kind of foreclosure relief.
Now, immediately after the election, the network has a coordinated campaign to "rise above" the possibility that all Bush tax cuts will lapse.
#40 Posted by David NYC, CJR on Thu 22 Nov 2012 at 04:46 PM
"It's framed its campaign in such a way to pretend that it's being non-partisan, "Rising Above" petty politics and parties, saving the nation from partisanship/ideology, acting in not to take sides but simply to honor "the spirit of America" etc. etc. when in fact it is taking a partisan/ideological position."
Dang dude. You like totally nailed the third way's approach.
http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2012/11/wall-street-uses-the-third-way-to-lead-its-assault-on-social-security.html
"No labels!" "Americans elect!" "Ectetra ectetra!"
As Paul Krugman says:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/26/hidden-in-the-middle/
"[T]he hypothetical position self-proclaimed centrists want somebody to take — Michael Bloomberg, a chastened Obama, whatever — is almost always the position actually held by the Democratic party. But to seem “balanced”, the pundits involved have to ignore that inconvenient fact."
It's not left versus right, it's right versus right with bipartisanship nearly always intersecting on behalf of the financial sector.
What scares Wall Street, and their 'straight shooters' on CNBC, is that people are electing actual lefties. That their prescence might prevent stuff on their behalf getting done. (And there's also the tea party idiots who don't care about burning the country down, so long as it hurts a lib)
"We got to rise above all those differences and work for the interests we can agree on - Wall Street!"
#41 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Thu 22 Nov 2012 at 05:35 PM
Watching CNBC reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Seinfeld tells George to do the opposite of what his instincts tell him for a day. George does this and has the best day of his life. Same with CNBC - do the opposite of what they suggest and you will be successful.
#42 Posted by West Coast Bob, CJR on Fri 23 Nov 2012 at 11:27 AM
Great moments in CNBC journalism. . . .
Carl Quintanilla: "Before we let you go, is it fun being a billionaire?"
Sir Allen Stanford: (Laughs) "Well uh yes, yes I have to say it is fun being a billionaire."
#43 Posted by iCon, CJR on Fri 23 Nov 2012 at 12:56 PM
I have no idea what's currently playing out on CNBC. But the logic in "as Krugman has said for years now, contra CNBC, there is no fiscal crisis. If there were, the Treasury would not be able to borrow at 1.57 percent" simply fails. That's "I can't be broke - I still have checks left!" thinking. If it were true, no one could've ever borrowed their way into bankruptcy.
#44 Posted by Evil Corporate Shill Masquerading As Some Random Guy, CJR on Fri 23 Nov 2012 at 01:09 PM
The argument Krugman makes isn't, "America doesn't have a fiscal problem." The argument Krugman makes is that "America's fiscal problem is ranked pretty low and the efforts to solve it will make it worse."
And the reason why is because all the plans on the table cut taxes for those who don't need them and cut spending and deductions for those who do need them.
You are attempting to solve a fiscal problem in the most contractionary way during a period of global economic contraction.
This is stupid. Very stupid.
You have a demographic crisis, an unemployment crisis, an economic growth crisis.
Your house is burning down. Should you be fixated on mowing the lawn? Yes, eventually it's got to be mowed, but that ain't the most pressing need.
#45 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Fri 23 Nov 2012 at 03:03 PM
And this is the thing that is infuriating, they're crying about a fiscal crisis after the representatives of the taxpayers pledged hundreds of billions of dollars, and the fed ran the presses for trillions of dollars, to keep the wall street folks alive after their unregulated credit binge threatened the global economy.
Since, they have fought every attempt to re-regulate, every attempt to help home owners, and every attempt to restore a functioning middle class.
We bailed them out - and then CNBC and their Wall Street audience called us losers who should remains stuck underwater as 'winners' feast on their remaining assets.
We bailed them out, and now they want to tell us "There's no money left for your social security or medicare, there's no money left for your green economy and jobs, there's no money left for your basic state functions like education and firefighting."
"What if we get rid of those tax cuts for the rich?"
"YE GODS! TOUCH THOSE AND THE ECONOMY WILL BE FOREVER CRUSHED! A FISCAL CLIFF CRISIS IS EVEN WORSE THAN A FISCAL FISCAL CRISIS!"
In other words, the only way we're allowed to deal with the "Fiscal Crisis" is through our pain. Not theirs. Ours.
Krugman's point is "If the range of options for dealing with the 'crisis' is painful cuts and painful tax hikes for the middle class alone, then we're better off not dealing with that 'crisis'. The middle class is in crisis."
#46 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Fri 23 Nov 2012 at 03:19 PM
This is the network that employs Larry “Goldilocks” Kudlow, whose record of being appallingly wrong is rivaled only by his record of ideological rigidity,
Not to mention his record of drug abuse.
#47 Posted by David, CJR on Fri 23 Nov 2012 at 03:26 PM
Not that they're aware of that crisis.
Their awareness of crisis tends to be selective.
As Krugman says:
"We don’t have an entitlement crisis — we have a health care crisis, one of whose manifestations is high projected costs for Medicare and Medicaid. And the way Walker tried to hijack the financial crisis on behalf of a benefit-cutting agenda deserves every bit of withering scorn you can muster."
#48 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Fri 23 Nov 2012 at 03:28 PM
PS.
Ryan, fix the
debt"Clive Christian No. 1" link!#49 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Fri 23 Nov 2012 at 03:38 PM
The right-wing / business elite are always trying to "rise above" the partisan wrangling (ie., democracy, as we have it more or less) and impose their way of thinking without any debate. And it's true - the problem for the tiny minority that must have their way in the face of the interests of the vast majority is democracy, that is the parsing of the wishes of people into policy. If they could just get the country to "Rise Above" democracy, they could have their way, no questions asked!
No thanks, I'll stay grounded right here and not get my head stuck in the clouds.
#50 Posted by Dave G., CJR on Sat 24 Nov 2012 at 10:58 AM
Sigh
http://digbysblog.blogspot.ca/2012/11/mainstream-news-organization-campaigns.html
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/fullpage/fiscal-cliff-17675675
"No, this is not from Pete Peterson's Austerity Circus or "Fix the debt" or the Concord Coalition.
Can you see what the problem is there? This is from ABC News, which normally goes into huge contortions pretending to be objective. That slick graphic does not tell the whole story, most especially the salient fact that this is a phony crisis created by politicians to force solutions to problems that aren't problems and make real problems worse.
The Village may have worked itself into a frenzy over this deliberately created, phony deficit crisis, but that doesn't mean that major news organizations should be engaging in demagoguery and advocacy. Maybe they don't know any better, but they should."
Yeah and they should have verified the claims of WMD before panicking the American people into Iraqi streets. The fix is in.
#51 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 26 Nov 2012 at 07:23 AM
Ahhh, Charley.
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/worst-meet-the-press-ever-112612
"He then moved on to the latest scam — Fix The Debt, whereby a bunch of CEO's pretend to be interested in solving the national debt while simultaneously guaranteeing that their tax rates will continue to be a disgrace to an evolved democracy.
And if you take a look at what we've been able to do with our fix the debt camp — the campaign to fix the debt, that's a group of CEOs who have gotten together, an ad hoc group were not part of any other organization, and we've raised about 40 million dollars just to be driving this point that it's tax reform that raises more revenue, and it's entitlement reform, the ticking time bomb that's going to kill us and we've got to do all this at one time. So we are very supportive of the president being able to get something like this done. It's vitally important for our economy.
Tax reform, not tax increases, raises more revenue. But reforming "entitlements" — neither Social Security nor Medicare is an "entitlement," by the way — is also important. Why would we listen to people like this guy? Why would we listen to people like Carly Fiorina? Why do David Gregory and NBC think they have anything important to add to the discussion? Were all the labor leaders gone off fishing somewhere? Where are the jobs in all of this? Where is the solution to the yawning gap in pay equity and stagnant family incomes?"
You just don't get it, do you.
"If the Dancin' Master wanted to give the country a good look at how rigged the game is, was, and if most of his honored guests have their way, always will be, then he couldn't have done better than yesterday's show. A couple of minutes longer, and Carly might have tucked a C-note into his waistband."
Oh wait, you do.
And George Carlin angelically smiles upon you.
#52 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 26 Nov 2012 at 03:08 PM
"krugman is an economist, and he has made an economic case based on economic data accumulated from various countries in the past and present....
And the economic data says the US isn't Greece. It's Japan."
Krugman, hot of the grill:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/26/opinion/krugman-fighting-fiscal-phantoms.html
"You’ve heard the story many times: Supposedly, any day now investors will lose faith in America’s ability to come to grips with its budget failures. When they do, there will be a run on Treasury bonds, interest rates will spike, and the U.S. economy will plunge back into recession.
This sounds plausible to many people, because it’s roughly speaking what happened to Greece. But we’re not Greece, and it’s almost impossible to see how this could actually happen to a country in our situation.
For we have our own currency — and almost all of our debt, both private and public, is denominated in dollars. So our government, unlike the Greek government, literally can’t run out of money. After all, it can print the stuff. So there’s almost no risk that America will default on its debt — I’d say no risk at all if it weren’t for the possibility that Republicans would once again try to hold the nation hostage over the debt ceiling.
But if the U.S. government prints money to pay its bills, won’t that lead to inflation? No, not if the economy is still depressed...
Still, haven’t crises like the one envisioned by deficit scolds happened in the past? Actually, no. As far as I can tell, every example supposedly illustrating the dangers of debt involves either a country that, like Greece today, lacked its own currency, or a country that, like Asian economies in the 1990s, had large debts in foreign currencies. Countries with large debts in their own currency, like France after World War I, have sometimes experienced big loss-of-confidence drops in the value of their currency — but nothing like the debt-induced recession we’re being told to fear.
So let’s step back for a minute, and consider what’s going on here. For years, deficit scolds have held Washington in thrall with warnings of an imminent debt crisis, even though investors, who continue to buy U.S. bonds, clearly believe that such a crisis won’t happen; economic analysis says that such a crisis can’t happen; and the historical record shows no examples bearing any resemblance to our current situation in which such a crisis actually did happen.
If you ask me, it’s time for Washington to stop worrying about this phantom menace — and to stop listening to the people who have been peddling this scare story in an attempt to get their way."
#53 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 26 Nov 2012 at 03:23 PM
Wow.
Anyone remember Raul M. Grijalva, he of "People's Budget" fame?
"Despite a weak economic recovery and persistent, unacceptably high unemployment, Washington is prematurely pivoting from job creation to deficit reduction. Worse yet, many of the budget proposals flooding Washington are nothing but reverse Robin Hood plans to redistribute wealth from working families to the most privileged among us...
Members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, supported by technical assistance and analysis from the Economic Policy Institute, have proposed a progressive budget that paves the way for robust job creation as an alternative to Ryan's austerity-focused plan...
The "People's Budget" would create jobs and invest in long-term growth, investing $1.7 trillion in job creation, infrastructure, education and scientific research and development over a decade. The most effective path for deficit reduction is to dramatically reduce unemployment and get Americans working in good jobs, earning more and paying taxes.
This budget does that. The People's Budget also strengthens Social Security by raising the taxable maximum to include 90% of economy-wide earnings and eliminating employer-paid caps on their high-income employees.
Together these policies would maintain the solvency of Social Security, without any reduction in benefits, at least 30 years beyond current projections. It also secures access to affordable health care by adding a competitive public option and negotiating drug prices with big pharmaceutical companies resulting savings of nearly $250 billion over a decade."
Nah, nobody remembers that, because it didn't come out of the Bowles Simpson commission (not that anything officially did - but hey, nobody remembers that either).
He showed up on CNBC. It wasn't pretty, video in link:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/11/raul-grijalva-cnbc.php
Bald White Guy: 'The republicans think that tax cuts should be for everybody or for nobody. That's their sacred value. When are you gonna bend HUH!?!'
Raul: 'Ah.. wha? We're in a recession. Cutting entitlements in a recession is stup...'
Michelle Caruso-Cabrera: 'THE MARKETS ARE MELTING DOWN!! BEND DAMN YOU!'
Raul: 'What?'
Michelle Caruso-Cabrera: 'By not bending on medicare DO YOU REALIZE YOU ARE SUBSIDIZING THE RICH? Retirees are RICH! The healthcare they get SUBSIDIZES THE RICH! You are making poor people SUBSIDIZE THE RICH! PASS THE DAMN TAX CUTS AND BEND DAMN IT!'
Raul: 'Lol whut?'
CNBC Graphic: "RISE ABOVE!"
These guys/gals are such assholes.
#54 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 27 Nov 2012 at 10:25 PM
Compare CNBC's Eamon Javers's Raul Interview 3 minutes in:
http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000131883
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to the kissy face interview with Tom Price about how tax increases won't fix ANYONE's PROBLEMS.
http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000129941
CNBC Fluffer: "Yes. i know the republicans are focused more on the spending side. perhaps as they should be. how flexible are you willing to be on the taxing side? as folks have talked about, you can --"
Republican Tom Price: "We can increase revenue to the federal government through the tax code but we don't have to increase the rates. that's where senator conrad was trying to go with his proposal. as i understand it. we've been talking about this for a long, long time. just to increase rates doesn't solve the problem. if it were to solve the problem, then, look, we're happy to talk about it. but increasing rates on job creators doesn't solve the challenge that we have in the economy. so we've got to talk about real solutions. can you get more revenue. can you put in place pro-growth policies and you can get a handle on spending here in washington. if we do that, that would be a major accomplishment and get this economy rolling again."
CNBC Fluffer: "it's interesting because, unfortunately, congressman, we have the federal housing administration say basically they're $16 billion in hock. post office is going to be about $16 billion in hock this year. then i look at expected increase in revenues next year from just the income tax increase. the president would want. what i'm see something not quite the same, but doggone close. if we get the tax increase the president wants, is it really going to go to jobs and to growth and infrastructure? or is it just going to go to pay debts that we continue to incur?"
Republican Tom Price: "that's the great question, brian. look. again, if the tax -- if a tax increase solved the problem, then we'd be willing to talk about it. but the fact of the matter is it doesn't solve the problem. we need real solutions right now, not false solutions."
Tax increases equal false solutions. Refusing to cut the safety net causes "MARKET OMG SELL SELL SELL!!" terrorism. Rise the f*ck above people.
These guys are SUCH assholes.
#55 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 27 Nov 2012 at 10:56 PM
The so called fiscal cliff,is really a return to the bad old days.What congress needs to pass is extension of the bush tax cuts with a caveat.Anyone making over 100,000 dollars would pay a surtax of 1%,over 200k 2% & so on.this would generate some revenue.to save money a cap of say 3000 per month on SS payments,and the cap on SS tax would be raised (more revenue).A freeze on all medical fees would be placed for medicare payments.All this as a temporary stopgap.
Then congress could get serious and get rid of the income tax system completely,it is counter-productive! For revenues a use tax on all purchases except food would replace the present system.The amount would have to be sufficient to finance the govt,and would be limited by a balanced budget amendment that would probably pass with at least 60% voting for it.Simple/effective!
#56 Posted by Pierre Floege, CJR on Wed 28 Nov 2012 at 11:58 AM
PS. Bald guy was Bill Griffeth, not Eamon Javers:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15838137/
I think.
#57 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Fri 30 Nov 2012 at 04:04 AM