“One Iraqi soldier in the alley pointed his rifle at an American reporter and pulled the trigger. There was only a click: the weapon had no ammunition. The soldier laughed at his joke.”
That was the kicker to a depressing, maddening, and illuminating piece in this morning’s New York Times by Damien Cave and James Glanz. The duo (or one of them, the Times’ famously impersonal style makes it hard to assign authorship at times), was embedded this week with an American Army unit fighting on Haifa street in Baghdad — a unit that had a horrible time not just with the enemy, but with its Iraqi Army allies.
The two report that at the outset of the day-long fight, “many of the Iraqi Army units” that had initially been assigned to search buildings in the neighborhood “did not arrive on time, forcing the Americans to start the job on their own.
“When the Iraqi units finally did show up, it was with the air of a class outing, cheering and laughing as the Americans blew locks off doors with shotguns…Many of the Iraqi units that showed up late never seemed to take the task seriously,” and when it came time to search apartments for insurgent activity, the Timesmen write that the Iraqis were “searching haphazardly, breaking dishes and rifling through personal CD collections in the apartments. Eventually the Americans realized that the Iraqis were searching no more than half of the apartments; at one point the Iraqis completely disappeared, leaving the American unit working with them flabbergasted.”
There have been plenty of stories written about the many failings of the Iraqi Army, but this story seems a bit more personal than the Times often allows. Considering that an Iraqi pretended to shoot one of the reporters on the scene, we can guess that there’s some residual anger involved, to say the least. But you know what? That’s what makes the piece so damn good. Rather than the Times’ usually dispassionate retelling of an event, this story has an edge that is sadly missing from so much American newspaper reporting — an edge editors would be wise to encourage from their journalists. For example, Cave and Glanz write that after the Americans tossed a couple smoke grenades in the street to cover their movement, the Iraqi troops “could not stop shouting and guffawing with amusement as they ran through the smoke.”
“Guffawing with amusement” is something of a loaded phrase, and in a sense, juxtaposed with the scene — Americans under sniper fire with one American soldier killed and Iraqi soldiers pretending to shoot American civilians — it evokes a measure of revulsion at the unserious, unprofessional and unready Iraqi soldiers. And in the context of the revolting story as a whole, we suspect that the phrase is more than appropriate.
The story also does something that all good journalism should strive for — it illuminates the whole by dealing in particulars. By that we mean that its description of the clown-like behavior of this particular Iraqi unit does as much to show us the operational readiness of the Iraqi Army as any descriptive piece that charts how many Iraqi units are capable of operating on their own, or how close they may be to operational status. We can’t assume that every Iraqi Army unit would act like this one when it is forced to fight, but if we assume that this is one of the units deemed ready to be in the fight, things hardly look promising.
The story also exposed some blatant falsehoods concerning the ability of Iraqi forces to take the lead in this war. Vice president Cheney grunted last night on CNN (in a profoundly disconnected interview that sounded like it could have been conducted in 2004), that “there’s more and more authority transferred to the Iraqis all the time,” and Lt. Col. Avanulas Smiley of the Third Stryker Brigade Combat Team, Second Infantry Division, who was the commander of the mission, said, “This was an Iraqi-led effort and with that come challenges and risks.”
Clearly, if this was an Iraqi-led effort (the Iraqis couldn’t even show up on time, disappeared at will, and seemed more interested in looking at CDs than doing their job), then Cheney and Smiley’s standards for “authority” and “leading” are pretty low. It also calls into question all of those stories about operations where we don’t have reporters on the scene, that the military claims were “led by the Iraqi Army.” We can read a hundred stories that give us metrics and training schedules and readiness numbers, but Cave and Glanz managed to cut through all of that with some great on-the-ground reporting that shows just how ready the Iraqi Army really is.





It wouldn't be a Paul McLeary story if it didn't have Dick Cheney "grunting" out some supposed "blatant falsehoods"....
What exactly is Mr. McLeary saying here?...
That Iraqi soldiers suck, when compared to American soldiers?...
Now THERE is some Pulitzer-worthy breaking news!... Nobody could have figured THAT out on their own, huh?.. For crying out loud, in a couple of weeks, the Iraqi army went from being the fifth largest army in the world to being the second largest army in Iraq!... We've all seen the efficacy (or rather inefficacy) of the Iraqi military might first hand..
And the BIG MSM story of the week, according to Paul McLeary, is that Iraqi soldiers suck?!?!...
Is Paul McLeary saying that the Iraqi soldiers suck so badly that they shouldn't get more responsibility?...
Is THAT what he's saying?...
If so, then WHY does Mr. McLeary spend so much time bitching and moaning against the "troop surge" that Harry Reid suggested in December (before Reid flip-flopped a few weeks later and decided that he was suddenly against his "troop surge", of course)?...
If the Iraqi soldiers can't get the job done, and if Mr. McLeary can't stomach the thought of more American troops in Iraq... Then WHAT exactly does McLeary want to happen?..
Does he want Iraq to fall into chaos?... Does he want to see Baathists digging more mass graves?.. Does he want the Americans to slither out of Iraq in disgrace, in order to have the pleasure of writing yet another one of his trademark hindsightful "told you so" take-downs of the Bush Adminstration's "failure"?...
What about the rest of McLearland's populace?...
What do you you McLearyite froot-loops want?...
What's YOUR plan?...
HUH?...
Posted by padikiller on Thu 25 Jan 2007 at 05:13 PM
Heh.
It's amusing to see that Padikiller has obediently switched from "Iraq's problem are a media construct" to the current Administration slogan, "what's your plan?" Good parrot, Padi! Here's a virtual cracker!
Posted by MRooney on Fri 26 Jan 2007 at 12:20 AM
What exactly was the point of this story..some poor Iraqi soldiers..OK.
If it was solely to point to another anti mil/war story in the NYT. Woo-Hoo - Quite an accomplishment. There are several every day.
Now if you want to read real military action stories go to Blackfive, Milbloggers etc.
They have real stories.
Posted by mrbill on Fri 26 Jan 2007 at 01:39 AM
LOL, the Times is usually dispassionate? Does that mean uncaring or full of shit or totally inaccurate or what?
Posted by dan on Fri 26 Jan 2007 at 08:09 AM
It is interesting to note that the non-McLearyite commenters here actually argue material points relevant to the article...
While the McLearyite whack jobs have nothing but ad hominem nonsense to deposit here...
Again, I ask...
If you daft McLearyites insist on believeing that the Iraqi soldiers can never get the job done.. What is the plan in McLearyland for Iraq?...
HUH?....
You moonbats have lots of criticism and naysaying of President Bush... But not a single viable alternative, that I've seen...
Reid, Pelosi, Kerry, Murtha... They all bitched and moaned for years that Bush didn't send enough troops to Iraq....
And what did these liberals do when Bush decided to send more troops..
They flip-flopped, like they ALWAYS do... For political gain...
Paul McLeary does the SAME thing!...
He wants America to fail in Iraq...
McLeary would rather see another despot like Saddam exploit the chaos that would ensue from an American withdrawalthan see the Bush administration succeed...
You will see McLeary bitching and moaning about the faults of the Americans.. But you won't find him poking around in Saddam's mass graves, or interviewing one of the millions Iraqis who celebrated Saddam's hanging... You won't see McLeary interviewing the widow of a journalist whose head was hacked off by a non-terroristic "militant insurgent"... You're not going to find McLeary calling the "professional journalists" of the MSM to task for ignoring the HUGE UN "Oil for Food" scandal...
WHAT will it take to get liberals of McLearyland to put the interests of their country before their ownscrewy political agandas?...
HUH?....
I suppose if you can't win on facts, you have to troll the bottom....
Posted by padikiller on Fri 26 Jan 2007 at 10:59 AM
Padikiller (if that's who he really is -- I think it's just someone who is pretending to be Padikiller -- probably Jamal Hussein) is really off-base here. The question is not, "What's your new plan, moonbat?" but to question whether the current plan has a chance of working. If part of that plan, anybody's plan, is that the policing of Iraq will be done soley by Iraqi forces, then extrapolating from this incident is not an unreasonable exercise of analysis.
It's an analysis that doesn't go deep enough, however. I don't think that this incident necessarily points out the real problems inherent in having good-old-boy Shiites working out their societal problems with good-old-boy Sunnis and Kurds ... and being in uniform while they do it.
For what it's worth, to have a workable plan for Iraq probably requires having a clear understanding of the current situation there. Is there anyone in Padikiller's rank-and-file who can claim that they have that? If so, where are they getting their information from?
Dick Cheney?
Posted by Stecxjo on Fri 26 Jan 2007 at 11:55 AM
Nope, I didn't "poke around" in Saddam's mass graves, but I did, you know, actually go to Iraq, and speak with Iraqis:
http://www.cjr.org/issues/2006/2/McLeary.asp
But then, some of us get out there and do, while others -- lacking the guts to own up to their opinions, and lacking guts in general -- hide behind goofy names and are content to complain.
Posted by pmcleary on Fri 26 Jan 2007 at 12:13 PM
Do you have anything but ad hominem, Mr. McLeary?... You don't have to like me... but that's not going to make your one-sided reporting any better than it is...
You are pulling the standard "you can't have an opinion unless you've been to Iraq like I have" crapola...
The Ole' Wounded Liberal Reporter Schtick...
It just doesn't fly....
You want your readers to believe that the Bush administration is "grunting" some "blatant falsehoods" in its claim that the Iraqi soldiers will someday be able to police their own country...
But you ALSO don't want President Bush to send more American soldiers to police Iraq..
It's obvious to any sane person that Iraq needs some serious policing...
And the Democrats have a WHOLE lot of nothing in the way of a plan to deal with Iraq (a deficit in leadership that you have completely ignored in your reporting, of course).
One can only conclude, therfore, that you want Iraq to flounder away in instability... So that you can write another hack job blaming the Bush administration...
You can ignore Saddam's mass graves and torture chambers all you want but they aren't going away, whether you are playing soldier in Iraq or sitting in your cubicle in New York... You can ignore or downplay the successes in Iraq, but the fact of the matter is that free elections have occured and women's rights have been restored...
The MSM should report the struggles and risks of the war, but not at the expense of ignoring the complete story, or even worse, aiding the enemy...
Frankly, your reporting has been dishonest, Mr. McLeary...
You waited five weeks (inexplicably) to join in calling the AP to nail down the facts on the Jamil Hussein story, and then the VERY NEXT DAY you labeled the "0.01 percent" of the poulalation questioning the AP as a bunch of irrational kooks!...
You lamented the lack of coverage of substantial issues in the Virgnia Senatorial race just a few weeks after you posted a ridiculous pre-election hit piece detailing what you called the "blockbuster" story of Sen. Allen's "jewishness"...
What the HELL kind of reporting is this, Mr. McLeary?....
You can attack me all you want, but it will not improve the quality of reporting one iota... You can avoid telling your readers that Hrant Dink was killed by a Muslim for being a infidel... But the truth isn't going anywhere... You can badmouth Jules Crittenden all you wan't, but you aren't going to refute the fact that his criticism of the MSM is perfectly valid... You can try to make it seem like President Bush is attempting to cram a "troop surge" down Congress' throat, but you aren't going to alter the reality; namely that the whole idea was DEMOCRATIC idea and that many Dem leaders spent the entirety of the war complaining that not enough troops were sent...
Posted by padikiller on Fri 26 Jan 2007 at 03:27 PM
Stecxjo wrote:
The question is not, "What's your new plan, moonbat?" but to question whether the current plan has a chance of working..
padikller chuckles
I SEE!....
The thing to do is NOT to make things better, but instead to merely criticize the actions of others!...
GOTCHA!...
Applied Liberalism, Illustrated!...
Stecxjo Wrote:
For what it's worth, to have a workable plan for Iraq probably requires having a clear understanding of the current situation there.
padikiller replies
Now THERE'S some insight for you!...
So let's see if we can get the "current situation" figured out, shall we?...
It's the same situation that has existed in Iraq continuously throughout the ENTIRE HISTORY OF CIVILIZATION!
Namely that a whole bunch of different cultures mingle in Iraq who hate each other's guts enough to kill each other.... And all sharing a backwards, unenlightened worldview that entertains no respect for human rights and a violent intolerance for diversity in any form...
So THERE you go, Stecxjo.... THERE is the situation, pal!...
So what's YOUR plan?...
HUH?.....
Posted by padikiller on Fri 26 Jan 2007 at 09:39 PM
C'mon. The stick figure known as Padikiller doesn't offer his own plan, as far as I can see. Let's toss it back to him: let him explain how his plan differs from what's currently out there. And when he thinks about a plan, does he assess the current situation, or does he just kind of follow what he thinks is the truth?
My plan, since the pseudonym known as Padikiller Jamal Hussein asks, is we pull out. Let Iran take over and suffer the consequences. Syria will get pulled in to protect the Sunnis and the whole region will be battling their internecine battles.
We might suffer for the lack of oil, but in the long run, we will suffer for the lack of oil anyway. We should take our lickins now and leave like cowardly yellow dogs, because that's better than leaving like losers.
And Padikiller's personal plan is....? Well, I suspect he doesn't have a plan. He has someone else's plan.
Posted by Stecxjo on Sat 27 Jan 2007 at 01:46 AM
And if Padikiller is so concerned over mass killings and mass graves, that's already going on in the world.
As it was going in in Iraq when H. W. was in office.
And Padikiller would like to do what about this in other parts of the world?
Let's hear Padikiller's plan for stopping mass killings elsewhere, before it's too late.
Posted by Stecxjo on Sat 27 Jan 2007 at 01:49 AM
Oh, for gosh sakes, does Padikiller have such a limited vocabulary that "analyze" is "criticize" to him? And he uses the word "Gotcha!" What's next? A jump from behind the bushes or a squirting flower in his lapel?
Goodness! If this is the level of discussion that he can bring to the table, I'm going back to gossip about OK GO with my 14-year-old students.
BTW, that's not ad hominem. That's sad hominem.
Posted by Stecxjo on Sat 27 Jan 2007 at 02:01 AM
Mr. McLeary, I don't always agree with your columns, but I sure as heck want more intelligent discussion here. I read you, and others, because I teach journalism and I want to stay informed.
Padikiller occasionally brings up good points, but he has no ability to engage in mature discussion. Is there not a separate blog area that you could create for him? Don't censure him -- just put little notes in this blog with links to Padikiller's remarks.
In other words, give him his own forum elsewhere. He shouldn't be kept from saying what he likes. But he adds so very little to why I come here.
Then again, I may be the minority.
For my part, I like to learn from the conservative side because I recognize the weaknesses of the liberal bent. It's illuminating and useful to hear thoughtful conservative viewpoints. But Padikiller's ranting keeps me from considering his arguments. Surely, there are others who can do better.
Send Padikiller to his own haven and let's try to find someone better qualified at presenting conservative views. There are many places to rant like Padikiller does: this should not be one of them.
Posted by Stecxjo on Sat 27 Jan 2007 at 02:19 AM
OK...
Let's see what Stecxjo has managed to accomplish in four posts...
1) His plan for Iraq is to have the Americans leave now "like cowardly yellow dogs" so that Iraq can fall into chaos... Because that way Americans can go ahead "take their lumps" now and who cares about the Iraqis anyway.... Screw'em...
2) Let the Middle east go nuts- Allow nations who have no problem using WMD's to have at it as they wish... That way we can click our ruby slippers together, go sit in our offices in the World Trade Center... er... make that the Empire State Building.... And nobody will ever bother us again... Really...
3) The fact that there are other acts of genocide in the world means that we should forgive and forget the genocide that occured under Saddam... And Saddam's genocide was all the Bush family's fault anyway.... Like Katrina and global warming....
4) I should be banished from CJR's board, because I write things that Stecxjo doesn't like to read, and Stecxjo shouldn't have to endure the horror of being compelled to read things he doesn't like to read....
Posted by padikiller on Sat 27 Jan 2007 at 08:14 AM
And ANOTHER thing!...
You liberal nutbags label me a "coward" (Mr. McLeary even goes so far as to call me a "general coward" without having met me)for posting psedonymously here, yet you daft freaks give all your moonbat buddies a free pass for doing EXACTLY the same thing...
You are a bunch of narrow-minded hypocrites....
Stecxjo, who is also pseudonymous here, actually has the nerve to join in this liberal witch hunt....
I'd just LOVE to see "Stexcjo" identify himself here, and let the parents of his middle-school students learn of his "cowardly yellow dog" troop withdrawal proposal....
Now THAT would be interesting!....
Posted by padikiller on Sat 27 Jan 2007 at 09:13 AM
Actually, Stecxjo is my name. But this site doesn't do unicode.
And where, in all of Padikillers replies, is HIS plan?
Or is it that, in all of his posts so far, he's offered nothing. Nada. Zip.
He doesn't have a plan, that's why. He uses other people's ideas.
Padikiller is a blowhard. PERIOD.
Posted by Stecxjo on Sat 27 Jan 2007 at 12:12 PM
All the screwy liberals come here to take bong hits of Paul McLeary's Bush-bashing nonsense... But have nothing viable to add to the debate..
If you want to criticize the President for the conduct of the war, fine...
But doing so without an alternative is nothing but counter-productive, juvenile whining...
The man whose real name really is "Stecxjo" (that's "Mr. Stecxjo" to his students, I supppose...) has a really great plan...
Cut and run like "cowardly yellow dogs"...
Now THERE is a plan that will work!...
My plan?.... My criticism of the Bush administration?....
Not more troops.... But more force....
If shots come from a mosque... Rip the damned mosque to shreds until the "militant insurgents" stop hiding there..
TRUST me... If enough "militants" end up buying the farm in the prayer rooms... It won't be long before they find alternatice sanctuary...
If "insurgents" control an area... I'd send in not translators or sensitivity-awareness coordinators, but a platoon and blow up doors until the residents give up the leaders....
Anyone who thinks that diplomacy or negotiation will accomplish anything in Iraq needs to lay off the crack pipe and open uo the history books...
We need to do what has ALWAYS been done in the Middle East... We need to go in, cut loose, depose the leadership that we don't like... Install a puppet government that does what we want it to do (mostly, anyway) and stick it out for while..
This is a MAINTENANCE process... We put Saddam in power and he was good for while.. Then he was bad... So we nixed him...
We'll have to do it again in the future... If not Iraq, then elsewhere...
I don't understand why people can't grasp this simple concept...
Posted by padikiller on Sat 27 Jan 2007 at 12:58 PM
Well, I can see where the crack pipe went to the crackpot.
C'mon. Get real. Since Padikiller doesn't have a real plan, he shouldn't use up so much space to show that he doesn't. He should just admit that he's got nothing but bluster.
And a pseudonym.
PERIOD.
Posted by Stecxjo on Sat 27 Jan 2007 at 02:35 PM
Padikiller wrote:
I'd just LOVE to see "Stexcjo" identify himself here, and let the parents of his middle-school students learn of his "cowardly yellow dog" troop withdrawal proposal....
I'd be happy to tell them myself, if they are so inclined to ask. I think cut and run is a fine idea, especially when you find yourself having lit the house on fire.
But I can recognize a threat when I hear one. Makes Padikiller sound like Bob Ewell....
Posted by Stecxjo on Sun 28 Jan 2007 at 02:16 AM
Stecxjo wrote:
I can recognize a threat when I hear one. Makes Padikiller sound like Bob Ewell....
padikiller responds:
Paranoia is another liberal trait...
I don't threaten people...
I am just noting your hypocrisy in joining in Paul McLeary's padikiller witch hunt... Almost EVERYONE here (including YOU) posts pseudonymously... Yet I am the one labled a "coward" for doing so...
Despite your silly assertion to the contrary... Your real name is NOT "stecxjo".....
If your local paper got wind of your "cowardly yellow dog" retreat proposal, you would likely find yourself in VERY hot water (an outcome that I would NOT like to see)
Pseudonymous posting allows people to freely discuss ideas and levels the field... It doesn't matter what you look like... What fraternity you pledged.. Or what your level of education.... Your posts have to survive on their merits..
Your "cut and run" proposal is simply not viable... It won't work... It has been soundly rejected by all but the silliest Democrats... And also by the much-ballyhood ISG report...
I believe that the only purpose of military force is to impose policy.. Not to negotiate... Not to persuade... Not to engage in diplomatic functions... And any use of military force that is restricted or limited in scope is doomed..
War is the result of a breakdown in reason and negotiation... It is NOT a negotiating tool... The ONLY reason to send kids to die is to impose rule on an enemy until the enemy submits...
As for Iraq...
The ONLY thing most Arabs understand and respect is force... Saddam knew this... ALL of the leader of stable Arab governments understand this..
We are NOT going to win the hearts and minds of Arabs by talking or walking away like "cowardly yellow dogs"... We are NOT going to be able to retreat in isolationist fashion and let the Middle East flounder.. There are too many interests at stake... Not just oil... Russia, China, North Korea... These are just the obvious examples of countries with interests adverse to ours who are peddling and begging influence in the region in energy, minerals, transportation, etc....
Islamofascism, despite the MSM's blackout, is a real and growing threat, with its ideological and economic epicenter in the Middle East.. The danger is real and must be dealt with...
It is unquestionably in the American interest to fight the Islamofascists in Iraq, instead of in our subway tunnels or airports... And we WILL fight them.. One way or the other...
Posted by padikiller on Sun 28 Jan 2007 at 10:06 AM
Here's How The MSM Would Cover The Current Situation in Iraq, if Clinton Were President>
The grumbling from the disgruntled Republican minority grew louder last week when it was announced that the nmuber of American soldiers killed in combat in Iraq exceeded 3000.
Sen Allen, who narrowly and miraculously survived a disputed election after his jewishness was exposed in a blockbuster story here at CJR, took time from attending to his official duties to join a handful of his colleagues in criticizing President's Clinton's handling of the war.
"President Clinton has not delivered on her promise" Allen ranted. "She needs to be held accountable"
The motive for Allen's criticism is unclear, though according to sources who wished to remain unnamed, Allen may have sought the attention of the press in an attempt to divert attention from the allegations of racism that plagued his contentious campaign.
"Allen is racist, bigot, who has nothting better to do than critize the Commander in Chief during wartime" said one anonymous source. "He's a scumbag"
Another more moderate anonymous source took a kinder view of Allen's motives, "He's had a tough year, and there are rumours flying everywhere of strife in his marriage.. Maybe he just wanted to get out of the house for a while, so that he wouldn't feel the need to beat his wife anymore."
Military analysists interviewed by CJR expressed surprise at Allen's attack.
"Three years in a war of this magnitude with three thousand dead is unparalled military accomplishment, No other war like this in history has resulted is so few dead" said Gen. Smith. "Frankly, given the fact that the miliary, under Presidnet Clinton, has simultanoeously managed, not only a war in another theater, but also the largest humanitarian campaign in the history of the world, I can't imagine how anyone could possibly expect fewer casualties".
Calls to Sen. Allen's offic seeking comment on Gen. Smith's analysis remained unanswered at press time.
Sen. John Kerry was quick to point to what he labeled the "hypocrisy" of Allen's comments.
"For Pete's sake," Kerry exclaimed. "Our brave, intelligent young soldiers are voulunteering in droves to serve our country in a war that Sen. Allen voted to authorize! How dare he now flip-flop and withdraw his support for the mission of our valiant warrors? How can man vote to put young men and women into harm's way, and then change his mind when the going gets tough? Where's the resolution? Where's the fortitude?"
Most of the people attending the nearby labor-union rally who identified themselves as independent voters, seem hurt and puzzled by Allen's politically-motivated attack.
"I knew that he was a wife-beating racist Jew" said a man who gave only his first name, Bill. "But I'd never in a million years have thought that he'd have the nerve to insult the President like that!"
Anna Jones, who recently lost two sons in Iraq was angry.
"How DARE he denigrate the memory of my brave sons, who died fighting terrorists so that we can be safe?" she wondered.
Nearby, a tiny group of counter-protesters, calling themselves Code Pink, supported Allen's attack.
"I lost my son in a senseless war and it's all Hillary's fault" said Mindy Meehan, before her complaint was drowned by roar of patriotism from the much larger crowd.
Security nearly became an issue when one of the Demcoratic supporters of the war picked up a pie to toss in Ms. Meehan's face. Fortuantely for Ms. Meehan, police escorted her away from the scene for her own safety before any violence broke out.
"These Code Pink people are nuts" said one police officer. "I mean, yeah, they technically have a right to say what they want to say, but if you come down here and say things people don't like to hear, what do you expect? I think we should ban them."
Posted by padikiller on Sun 28 Jan 2007 at 01:20 PM
Nope. Stecxjo's my name.
If Padikiller chooses not to believe that, that's his (her?) choice, but I would think even a cub reporter by now could have tracked me down and fulfilled the threat that was so very obviously made. Blowing hard in the opposite direction doesn't remove the previous post -- capital letters notwithstanding.
Huff and puff away!
Posted by Stecxjo on Sun 28 Jan 2007 at 02:34 PM
Stecxjo wrote:
I would think even a cub reporter by now could have tracked me down and fulfilled the threat that was so very obviously made
padikiller responds:
You're crazy AND self-absorbed!...
I have never, nor will I ever, threaten anyone... And I don't give a crap who you are (though I'd believe your name to be "Rumplestiltskin" before I'd accept the notion that you were deliberately designated "Stecxjo" by some third party)
You're off your damned rocker!...
I guess the thought of having your "cowardly yellow dog" characterization of our fighting soldiers slip out into the public domain has your panties all up in a bunch...
Ah well.... Accountability is NOT a liberal forte... You're in good company...
But seriously...
You find a single threat I've made here and I'll donate $100 to Hillary's campaign for you,...
Wait a minute... Hillary is pro-war... I suppose you're an Obama man...
Whatever... You find a single threat from me... And I'll donate $100 to whatever screwy liberal cause you pick....
OTHERWISE...
Grow up, and get real....
Posted by padikiller on Sun 28 Jan 2007 at 03:26 PM
He's huffing and puffing now, folks. Let's just parse this sentence, shall we?
I'd just LOVE to see "Stexcjo" identify himself here, and let the parents of his middle-school students learn of his "cowardly yellow dog" troop withdrawal proposal....
Hmmmm. Who's the subject? Padikiller (aka "I"). What's he offering to do? He'd LOVE to let parents learn of my "cowardly yellow dog" troop withdrawal proposal.
That's a threat. PERIOD. (I can see why Padikiller likes capital letters so much. It's almost like thinking.) I stand behind my cowardly yellow dog proposal, although it does seem that self-deprecating adjectival irony has to have an audience that can, at the least, recognize it, if not appreciate it. Apparently, Padikiller is the wrong audience.
As I see it -- and I'm the one to judge whether I've been threatened or not -- Padikiller owes Kucinich 100 bucks. (Watch him start backtracking on this one, too.)
And here's something for Padikiller to stitch into a sampler: Rudeness is better than any argument; it totally eclipses intellect. -- Schopenhauer.
I've seen nothing but rudeness from Padikiller's postings regarding McLeary's columns and I think Mr. McLeary would assert the same.
Guess I'll go grab my moonbat and knock around a few more moonballs....
Posted by Stecxjo on Sun 28 Jan 2007 at 05:47 PM
Stecxjo goes ballistic in bout of Moonbat Fever
Let's just parse this sentence, shall we?
"I'd just LOVE to see "Stexcjo" identify himself here, and let the parents of his middle-school students learn of his "cowardly yellow dog" troop withdrawal proposal...."
Hmmmm. Who's the subject? Padikiller (aka "I").
padikiller notes
So far, so good... We've got second-grade grammar down, for the time being at least...
Stecxjo babbles nonsense
What's he offering to do?
padikiller answers
Er.... That would be.... NOTHING...
I haven't offered to do anything...
To anybody...
You silly whack job....
I've said that I'd love to see YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF... And for YOU to let the parents of your students here you call our soldiers "cowardly yellow dogs"...
Your "parsing" machine is a little out of whack, Sport!...
Stecxjo wrote:
He'd LOVE to let parents learn of my "cowardly yellow dog" troop withdrawal proposal.
padikiller responds
What a Dowdified lie!.... I never stated that I would "love" to "let" anything happen to anyone, you prevaricating little wierdo...
I wrote that I'd LOVE it if YOU would let parents learn of your "cowardly yellow dog" proposal by IDENTIFYING YOURSELF..
YOU LET... YOU LET.... YOU LET....
Let's be honest here, OK Pal?.. It doesn't come easy to you liberals... But honesty really is the best policy...
I'll say one thing.... the thought of being held acountable for your stated opinion sure does have ONE of us a little nervous...
And it sure isn't me!....
Finally... If you want to believe that your "real" name is Stecxjo... Or Pinnochio... Or whatever... I don't care...
Just don't expect any smart people to fall for it....
Posted by padikiller on Sun 28 Jan 2007 at 06:16 PM
Padikiller evidently never got diagramming down. He'd better go back and see who is the subject of the sentence under question. Plus, that comma is very important there, before the conjunction, assuming he can see it. To use an understood "you" in a sentence requires a different construction earlier in the sentence. But Padikiller knows that.
Maybe.
But there ya go -- he's backtracking.... brave Padikiller! I guess Dennis K. isn't going to get any money today from Padikiller.
And as I told Padikiller, my name is Stecxjo. That's the truth, although I do use pseudonyms, I chose not to do so here. Evidently, that was a mistake -- I had no suspicion that at the CJR Daily that Padikiller (note that name) would be permitted to threaten those who post.
Whether Padikiller is smart enough to fall for the truth (and he sure does seem to care what my name is, despite his denials -- read his posts), I'll leave that up to the (possibly) otherwise amused readers of this blog.
Padikiller should 'fess up. He's really Robert Novak.... and he sees me as Valerie Plame.
Huff and puff!
BTW -- does Padikiller even have his own blog? I'll gladly go play over there for awhile and let McLeary et al get back to business.
Posted by Stecxjo on Sun 28 Jan 2007 at 07:54 PM
Stecxjo Goes WAY Off the Reservation
I had no suspicion that at the CJR Daily that Padikiller (note that name) would be permitted to threaten those who post.
padikiller responds
For crying out loud....
The name "padikiller" is the term my child used for "caterpillar" as a baby...
For God's sake man... Get some therapy...
And stop with the lies....
I have never threatened anyone here, Mr. "Stecxjo"... (Is that a silent or a soft x there, pal?)
Posted by padikiller on Sun 28 Jan 2007 at 09:03 PM
I have lied about nothing. I take Padikiller's words as he put them forth. If he denies that he meant to threaten, then I will assume that denial is meant as an apology.
Apology accepted.
Posted by Stecxjo on Sun 28 Jan 2007 at 10:33 PM
"If you want to criticize the President for the conduct of the war, fine...But doing so without an alternative is nothing but counter-productive, juvenile whining..."
Actually, there's been quite a few alternatives to "stay the course". Just because you don't like them, doesn't mean they wouldn't be viable.
"Not more troops.... But more force...."
Ah, now we're getting somewhere. That's a telling statement and one I've heard here around the office, the ol' Sean Connery speech where the bad guy "pulls a knife on you, you pull a gun; they put one of your guys in the hospital, you put one of theirs in the morgue."
"More force"? You mean, like a nuclear weapon? Or, hell, just level the cities with artillery and bombs from airplanes. That'd work just as well until we get the balls to use tactical nukes.
The problem with that approach is that it doesn't really work in the real world. As much as die-hard Republicans don't like to think this, diplomacy came about precisely because "more force" didn't do a whole lot to solve the problems people and countries had.
Padikiller is just like the other mindless drones of the Republican party who really think they have more to fear from a terrorist attack than dying in a car crash.
It is kinda funny, though. Bush talks about Iraq being the central battleground of the war on terror, and he's right. The problem is that he made it that way, and gave the "Islamofascists" exactly what they wanted. So, yeah, NOW it's the main fight of the war on terror.
By the way, to get a little personal here, I think that everyone that thinks "more force" is just the way to go, then he or she should be the first to enlist and help facilitate "more force". My experience has been that most people that go with "more force" are weak, simple-minded individuals.
Posted by rich on Mon 29 Jan 2007 at 03:35 PM
rich wrote:
Actually, there's been quite a few alternatives to "stay the course". Just because you don't like them, doesn't mean they wouldn't be viable.
padikiller responds:
How about detailing a few of these "alternatives" for us?... I notice you claim they exist, but you haven't identified them...
I'd love to read them...
REALLY...
Posted by padikiller on Mon 29 Jan 2007 at 05:31 PM
Wow...just wow. I just read through this whole mess in one sitting and all I have to say is I'm ashamed of you both. Seriously, padikiller and stexjco. Go back and reread, how long did it take you two to start acting like children? Grow up.
Posted by szuminsky on Tue 30 Jan 2007 at 04:23 PM
Well, for starters, the Iraq Study Group had 79 recommendations.
There's been other suggestions like withdrawing to Kuwait, utilizing only a reactionary force and support for the Iraqis.
There's also complete withdrawal, not something I personally endorse, but I think the extreme violence that is predicted if a complete withdrawal occurs is overstated.
Other plans, other options. "Stand up, stand down" ain't really getting us anywhere. But we all know what the Decider really wants to do. Just tread water til it becomes someone else's problem.
Posted by rich on Tue 30 Jan 2007 at 04:28 PM