There seem to be two models for commercial success on the Web right now. One is creating vertical content—a lot of it—in subjects where people are looking to buy stuff. And then being essentially a way that advertisers can buy leads. So, you build a vertical parenting site where you can search for baby strollers, for example. And then you take that interest, that intent, and you sell it to merchants looking for people to buy baby strollers. That seems to be a decent model that’s likely to work long term. People always want advice on what to buy.
Even in that world, you need lots and lots and lots of content—how-to content, a little bit of news—and it’s very unlikely that a model of hiring a staff can produce enough original content.
It’s also hard to license existing content because Google—which is going to be the source of most of your traffic—punishes you for content that it has already seen elsewhere. You’re going to need to produce a lot of content without hiring a lot of writers and editors.
The other thing you can do is be even more massive and horizontal and address virtually everything. In that case, your model probably isn’t leads, it’s probably something more like banner ads or links. In that case you need to be in the ten million-plus page views category. That’s probably only the top fifty sites in any country.
DD: That doesn’t seem to be something news companies will be able to do. So, is there a way for journalism to be commercially successful on the Web?
JG: The future of journalism isn’t necessarily a commercial enterprise.
People might be more interested in contributing on a volunteer basis to a Web site that also included content created by professionals. For example, people love the idea of working for The New York Times…presumably, if they let them, people would do it for free.
What people are naturally mutating towards is this hybrid model of some number of professionals and some number of amateurs. Whether the professionals are, (a) required, (b) irrelevant, or (c) something in the middle, we don’t have a control test so we don’t know.
I think the reason that people are converging toward the hybrid model has less to do with what works and what’s necessary and more to do with what they themselves enjoy. I think the people who work at the Huffington Post want to have professional writers because they want to create really high quality content. Is it essential? I don’t know. It probably just has to do with the people. And that’s really the only reason to do business anyway, right?
We just don’t know. We just don’t know.
DD: Your argument suggests that hard news is not sustainable on the Web because it is not a commodity that marketers are looking to sell directly to Web users, and it is costly to do well.
JG: It’s not clear what anyone means by hard news. The vast majority of articles that you read in The New York Times are analyses of stuff that has already been reported by a company or by a country itself. It’s useful—if you care—but its not where the news came from. You could have found out about it without having a writer write a 500-word article. Bloomberg essentially automates the news; a computer writes it based on stock tickers.
Then there’s the famous example of investigative journalism. How much of journalism is investigative? In local newspapers, none essentially. In The New York Times, quite a lot, comparatively. It’s not even close to the majority, it’s not even a plurality.
So, what’s the future of investigative journalism? Well, maybe in a lot of places, investigative journalism will be funded by non-profits. I mean, a lot of science is funded by non-profits, schools are non-profits, there’s no reason why journalism can’t be non-profit.
DD: So, is non-profit funding and amateur writers the business model for news in the future?

Great interview.
Jonathan--where do you think the AP fits into this? In my opinion they provide a needed, high quality service, but their owners have to shoulder a lot of costs make things run, like putting people in dangerous places.
#1 Posted by Michael Mallin, CJR on Tue 28 Jul 2009 at 09:15 AM
There are many people more qualified to discuss the future of the AP than me.
My uneducated guess is that many of their members and customers will be under pressure to cut costs as they face increasing competitive pressure. I'd also propose that the value of a ubiquitous wire service is worth less to Internet-only businesses, where you can see the same exact story on hundreds of other sites and because search engines tend to 'punish' pages that feature non-unique content.
I'm not sure there's anything that can really take the place of the AP as it is. But I'm very confident that, after a period of disorienting dislocation, we'll see a ecosystem of individual experts, reporting teams, non-profit media (both local and international), and for-profit companies doing reporting from dangerous places.
Why am I so sure? Because all of the conditions for that ecosystem are already in place:
- plenty of readers of reporting on dangerous places (not as many as we may like, but the collapsing cost of access to the Web increases total global readership enormously)
- a meaningful subset of readers who will pay for this reporting (donations, online events and classes, premium content like books and movies, corporations and investors)
- plenty of passionate talented people who want to tell stories and share opinions about dangerous places
- steadily decreasing tech cost of gathering and producing interesting stories and opinions on dangerous places, and sharing that in interesting ways
What seems unlikely to me is:
- the domination of a small number of large reporter-employer organizations
- that many people will pay for today's newspaper article format
- that adjacency/banner advertising is a sufficient revenue model to support this content creation for all but the largest sites
#2 Posted by Jonathan Glick, CJR on Tue 28 Jul 2009 at 10:08 AM
Good interview. One thing I'd like to ask Mr Glick is this: in the future, will we be reading the news on paper surfaced products, real READING, or will we be screening these digital newspapers on PPS (plastic pixelated screens)? In fact, Jonathan, are you reading this right now or screening it. Your answer will say alot about the future of newspapers and journalism. Find out more at my blog: http://zippy1300.blogspot.com
#3 Posted by Dan BLoom, CJR on Fri 31 Jul 2009 at 09:59 AM
He makes great points about traditional news media. The average person doesn't want to be engrossed with an entire newspaper anymore. We just want what we want. If we are only wanting sports news, why would we buy a newspaper? It's a waste. We'd rather go online to our favorite blog or sports site and get exactly what we want.
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#4 Posted by Jimmy Soldier, CJR on Tue 4 Aug 2009 at 12:37 PM
Fascinating; thank you.
But how will the investigative journalists get paid? Will they have a "donate" button on their own websites?
And the lead time for feature films is months if not years. How can that work in news? Who will play the role of move executive producer in news? And if people aren't paying per story, like movie goers buy a ticket, where will the money come from?
#5 Posted by Dana Sterling, CJR on Mon 10 Aug 2009 at 01:29 PM
In my opinion, the AP has been incredibly behind the curve for better than a decade, still is, and isn't even fully cognizant of today.
It never leveraged its own version of vertical integration to charge Google, Yahoo et al sufficiently steep rates to reuse AP content to force them to paywall it.
I think it's still possible, but it's going to take more effort by AP, and someone with a different vision than its curent leadership. Dean Singleton is clueless.
Now, notes to other commenters above.
Jimmy Soldier, where does your blog get the news about which it blogs?
As for that sports site, if it had brains, it would charge you for it, if it has unique content.
That gets back to the AP.
Dana Sterling, I've raised that issue more than once, and most touters of "newspapers are dead" haven't directly answered it.
Beyond that, is the "new media" always better? Talking Points Memo, for example, referred to anonymous sources six times in a 750-word story earlier this week. It wasn't about national security; rather, it was the tussle over a public option between President Obama and Senate Majority Leader Reid. Just like old media.
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#6 Posted by SocraticGadfly, CJR on Sat 31 Oct 2009 at 12:40 AM