Jon Huntsman’s campaign for president doesn’t seem to be going anywhere, so why does he retain his commanding lead in the magazine profile primary? At his Atlantic blog, Conor Friedersdorf has some sharp thoughts on the appeal of the erstwhile ambassador to China—and, in particular, why Huntsman fares so well with the media compared to the similarly doomed Ron Paul and Gary Johnson.
The press is not wrong to be drawn to Huntsman’s latest incarnation, in which he plays the role of bold truth-teller, affirming the existence of global warming and the need to raise the debt limit, Friedersdorf writes. But Huntsman is a very limited sort of protest candidate—the sort whose “critiques reinforce rather than undermine centrist-consensus positions”:
Huntsman is challenging orthodoxies of thought that afflict the GOP alone, and taking positions that reflect the conventional wisdom in the media: evolution is a fact, so is climate change, and the debt ceiling had to be raised. In contrast, Johnson and Paul are challenging orthodoxies of thought that are bi-partisan in nature and implicate much of the political and media establishment.
If journalists are going to cover losing campaigns because doing so offers an opportunity to expand the political conversation and scrutinize more competitive candidates—which is one of the arguments offered by Jacob Weisberg in Vogue for paying attention to Huntsman—then, Friedersdorf asks, why do reporters not shower attention on Paul’s critique of America’s interventionist foreign policy, or Johnson’s indictment of the War on Drugs? His answer:
In the twisted thought process of the political press, one’s party is always the point of reference, bucking it is the ultimate act of bravery, and the proper object of a “protest candidacy” is encouraging one’s party to embrace the bipartisan consensus of the moment.
This probably isn’t the complete explanation for the attention lavished on Huntsman’s campaign. It doesn’t hurt that Huntsman and his stunningly photogenic family look a lot better in photos by Annie Leibovitz than, say, Ron Paul would. As for the treatment in non-glossy media outlets, Huntsman still seems a plausible contender for the GOP nomination in a future cycle—something that may help explain press attention this year, and that can’t be said for Paul or Johnson.
Still, Friedersdorf makes an astute, and depressing, point about how the self-imposed rules under which the political press works conspire to exalt some issue positions and marginalize others.
In a roundabout way, though, his post also suggests one reason the press finds those rules useful—which is that, within traditional understandings of the journalist’s role, it’s not always clear how else to decide which “outside-the-mainstream” issues to take seriously, and which can be deservedly relegated to the fringe. Consider this passage:
But a protest candidate that challenges the bipartisan consensus on foreign policy, the war on drugs, or civil liberties is ignored, no matter the substantive quality of their arguments on those issues. And if their fans complain, it is pointed out that they don’t have a chance of winning. The salutary effect that protest candidates can have on political discourse even if they don’t win is completely forgotten. (Occasionally, another dodge is used: that Ron Paul, for example, disqualifies himself from serious coverage due to fringe positions he takes on the Federal Reserve or the gold standard. Suffice it to say that all sorts of candidates are covered as serious contenders despite holding positions more lunatic, as Michele Bachmann, Newt Gingrich, and Herman Cain attest. Paul’s foreign policy critique is serious, coherent and mostly unanswered.)
This is persuasive if, like Friedersdorf, you see in Paul a messenger for important, neglected civil-liberties issues. If, on the other hand, you’re attracted to Paul because you really love the gold standard, Friedersdorf may look like just another one of those Beltway insiders determined to marginalize your issue. I happen to agree with Friedersdorf about the relative merits of Paul’s critiques. But while good journalism can sometimes show that an argument is shoddy or a claim is false, the “substantive quality” of a political argument is rarely the subject of universal agreement, because those arguments are rooted in values about which people disagree.
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Why would you rule out Gary Johnson? He's another successful governor, who had two full terms, balanced his state's budget, and left office extremely popular after starting the primary for governor at a measly 2%. If Ron Paul were not running this time, Johnson would probably have picked up a goodly amount of his support as the new standard bearer for the libertarian faction of the party. I would guess that he would do much better if he were to run again in 2016.
#1 Posted by Joe M, CJR on Tue 23 Aug 2011 at 03:28 PM
One can't leave out the cocktail party factor. Political reporters in Washington and environs are comfortable with Huntsman. He's been in Washington off and on since the 1980s. He's been associated with Brookings and the Asia Society, both of which are social and policy hubs. He's been an ambassador twice. He's an urbane, pleasant billionaire, and reporters like rubbing elbows with pleasant rich people (even though they may hate themselves in the morning). And unlike most of the rest of the field, he's neither insane nor completely boring.
So they give him ink out of proportion to his influence.
#2 Posted by Weldon Berger, CJR on Tue 23 Aug 2011 at 06:51 PM
Ron Paul will bring home the troops. Bringing home the troops will end the Depression. Couldn't we really just stop there? isn't JUST that enough to win the election? Of COURSE it is. Anyone who tells you different is LYING to you.
#3 Posted by Louis Nardozi, CJR on Tue 23 Aug 2011 at 07:45 PM
I don't know about other people, but when I hear "bi-partisan", all I hear is "I just got screwed". Because screwing the people over seems to be the 1 thing they can agree on.
#4 Posted by joe, CJR on Tue 23 Aug 2011 at 08:16 PM
There's still a difference between what conventional political journalism thinks is 'the fringe' vs. what are 'fringe' opinions among voters at large. Same-sex marriage is a 'fringe' issue by most measures, having been defeated every time it has been put to a referendum, but support for it is still treated as mainstream. There has not been anything near a majority against capital punishment in any poll I've seen in many a year, but opponents continue to get a lot of air time. The 'left' probably has its complaints along these lines, too. When journalists use these labels without much statistical evidence, I believe they are reporting about their own opinions, not those of the mass of voters, and the framing/vocabulary of most journalists is still frozen from the days in which Kennedys and Kings seemed to stride the earth.
#5 Posted by Mark Richard, CJR on Tue 23 Aug 2011 at 09:26 PM
Louis: I can't wait to hear how bringing 100,000+ unemployed, former military members, many with medical issues from serving, back into the country will end the recession we're in.
#6 Posted by Thalia, CJR on Wed 24 Aug 2011 at 01:41 AM
Disengaging from Iraq and Afghanistan does not mean destroying the contract that the US government has with the men and women of the armed services. Is what it means is that they are home with their families, if they are reservists then they are back work at their nine to five. In some cases it will mean that they'll no longer live on base and might be buying homes and cars. They might also get the chance to use their GI Bill benefits and go to university.
#7 Posted by Ben H, CJR on Wed 24 Aug 2011 at 02:34 AM
It is a mistake to group Ron Paul and Gary Johnson together when quantifying "fringe." Paul consistently places top-3 in polls; Johnson is barely a blip in ANY poll. But oh well. If it justifies the conclusion...
It's funny though. I used to think that the word FRINGE was more appropriate for, say, the six or so Republican candidates who finished below Ron Paul in the Iowa straw poll. But then I saw that Josef Stalin, my neighbor's 3-legged chihuahua, and three folks who were not even running received much more mega-media coverage than Ron Paul. http://www.journalism.org/numbers_report/are_media_ignoring_ron_paul
I guess FRINGE better describes the back-to-back winner at CPAC. You know the one: the only candidate who stands with the vast majority Americans in favor of "bringing the troops home." So fringe!
Ron Paul is considered FRINGE because the CIA-infiltrated, corporate-run MSM say he is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUsQBAs1k5g
And who could argue with the "experts"?
I mean, God forbid we elect a guy who would never commit aggressive undeclared war or torture, abuse habeas corpus and the Bill of Rights, or otherwise abuse the office of president!
Yeah. We'd much rather have a power-addicted, duplicitous maniac like Obama or Romney. They are not "fringe."
#8 Posted by Dan A. , CJR on Wed 24 Aug 2011 at 07:11 AM
It seems this issue of fringe candidates is really bringing out the ignorance of journalists. Ron Paul is ahead of Michele Bachmann in a recent Gallup Poll comparing Romney, Perry, Paul & Bachmann against Obama. All five inidividuals were within 4 percentage points of one another. You are comparing Ron Paul's candidacy with John Huntsman, who won 69 (0.41%) votes in the Ames Poll compared to Ron Paul's close second place finish with 4671 votes (27.65%). A CBSTV19 poll between Ron Paul & Rick Perry over the Texas Republican Primary gave Paul 81% to Perry's 19%.
And you compare Ron Paul's chances with John Huntsman? Either you are totally ignorant or you are deathly afraid of a Ron Paul victory in 2012.
#9 Posted by Bill Goode, CJR on Wed 24 Aug 2011 at 09:14 AM
It isn't surprising to me that the Columbian Journalism Review should miss the point of this entire story, because the media as a whole seems to be missing it.
The major media, and by this, I mean the television news through which most people in this country still get the news (e.g. CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, Fox, etc.) fail to recognize that they themselves write the narrative of the election. I am not writing in defense of Ron Paul, I don't think he needs defense. Many of the (foreign policy) stands he takes are stands that Obama took during his 2008 campaign and then promptly abandoned when he became president.
I am talking about ANY candidate. Take Rick Perry for example. The vast majority of people in this country had absolutely NO idea who Rick Perry was before the media presented him as the second coming of John Wayne. And then, when (quite predictably) Rick Perry shot up in the polls, the media used this as proof that they are correct when they say they know who are top tier candidates and have a chance of getting elected. Hello!! You MADE it happen.
The same goes for Ron Paul, or any other candidate that the media don't particularly care for (and I would argue that in the case of Ron Paul the reason the media don't particularly care for him is because most members of the media do not have the education necessary to understand or have a serious conversation about economics and monetary policy). If the media "decide" that a candidate doesn't have a chance, they are merely creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. They are writing the narrative where the public responds exactly as they are foretelling, because they make it that way.
Ron Paul's followers are upset because the media refuse to simply present information about the candidates, both good and bad, and let the PEOPLE decide who is electable.
And frankly, I don't blame them. The guys coming to us on the television from NYC, and D.C. are so out of touch with what the American people think, it is stunning. And rather than try and actually understand what the public thinks, and how best they can serve their viewing public, they just shove their own narratives down our throats.
Frankly, we are just sick of it. The media have pretty much lost all credibility with the people out here. Your motto, Strong Press Strong Democracy, is beyond laughable. The press in this country merely repeats back to us what government officials say to the them. That isn't a strong press. That's a lapdog press. And if you think my view is rare, you are mistaken.
#10 Posted by Lizzie, CJR on Wed 24 Aug 2011 at 09:47 AM
Fringe candidates? This calls for the crash course the phony “two party paradigm” and “media created tea party”
The media blackout of Ron Paul while bolstering other candidates illustrates nicely the two great modern schemes operating in American politics facilitated by the mainstream media – those being: the phony “two party paradigm” and the creation of the phony GOP “tea party”. First, the concept of a modern “tea party” came on board with the Ron Paul supporters back in 2007 during the campaign. Actual pounds of tea were to be dropped by a hovering blimp into Boston Harbor on the historic day of the original Boston tea party against British tyranny as a gesture of defiance to the status quo (lost of civil liberties; unending illegal wars; nation building; destruction of our currency; torture and extraordinary rendition; abuse of civil liberties under the bogus Patriot Act etc.). Party affiliation, national origin, race etc. wasn’t important – all were welcomed - only a love of liberty and a willingness to fight for it and hence among those veterans the movement is rarely regarded as “tea party” but instead the “liberty” or “freedom” movement and it is definitely not GOP or PERRY or Bachmann!!
In 2008 when the “dynamic duo” - McCain and his side kick - Palin got their bloodied grinded behinds handed back to them by Obama. This is exactly what the mainstream media had orchestrated for the previous year – and the rank and file GOP voters predictably bought it – they bought media served “stooge of the day” McCain and side kick hook line and sinker! I invite you to research progressive AP reporter Liz Soldoti’s coverage of McCain 2008 and see how she systematically built him up “straight talk express” to become the GOP front runner – the MSM knowing he was hopeless and would get creamed by Obama! Immediately after the election in an attempt to do damage control the RNC/GOP and right leaning media embraced “tea party” to co-opt the movement for the progressive neo-cons – enter the right media ala FOX and the likes of social controlling neo-con personalities such as Rush Limbaugh; Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity. The left media, MSNBC etc. and their social controlling components: Keith Obermann; Chris Mathews and Rachel Maddow in an effort to maintain and reinforce the phony two party paradigm immediately labeled them racists and nut jobs stressing the “tea party” as against newly elected President Obama primarily because he was black!
Hence: the term “tea party” as currently hyped in the media is a creation of the mainstream media and simply equates to good old American progressive “neo-con”! The concept of “tea party” they propagate is a primary tool currently used to continue the “two party paradigm” . Anyone uninformed enough to buy in is being seriously played and hasn’t taken the effort to analyze the actual facts – just taking the media’s word for it like a good little boy or girl and keeping the “status quo”.
Allow me to go a little Taoist on you – the “real” tea party you hear about is not the “REAL” tea party!
There is no actual socio-economic and political ideological difference between – lets say, MSNBC and FOX – only the illusion of one! Both the (so – called) right and left factions of American mainstream media are all globalists - wanting to maintain American empire with all their corporate owners having direct BOD relationships with the giants in the military industrial complex such as: GE; Texaco; Chevron; Boeing; Lockheed Martin; Citigroup; Rockwell Automation; Chase, WorldCom, and JP Morgan; Haliburton, etc. and thereby financially benefit directly from the ongoing nation building and entrenched foreign occupations.
So the mainstream media as a whole created the current “tea party” as is hyped today, to attempt to contain and control the actual legitimate “liberty movement” (being the actual REAL “tea party” started by Ron Paul supporters in 2007) – it bei
#11 Posted by TommyO, CJR on Wed 24 Aug 2011 at 12:20 PM
Crash course the phony “two party paradigm” and “media created tea party” Part: 2
There is no actual socio-economic and political ideological difference between – lets say, MSNBC and FOX – only the illusion of one! Both the (so – called) right and left factions of American mainstream media are all globalists - wanting to maintain American empire with all their corporate owners having direct BOD relationships with the giants in the military industrial complex such as: GE; Texaco; Chevron; Boeing; Lockheed Martin; Citigroup; Rockwell Automation; Chase, WorldCom, and JP Morgan; Haliburton, etc. and thereby financially benefit directly from the ongoing nation building and entrenched foreign occupations.
So the mainstream media as a whole created the current “tea party” as is hyped today, to attempt to contain and control the actual legitimate “liberty movement” (being the actual REAL “tea party” started by Ron Paul supporters in 2007) – it being a threat to the status quo and use the phony “two party paradigm” to help them do it. This is the illusion of two different parties counter balancing one another – please don’t say you can’t remember recently this spring when republican Senator McCain and democrat Senator Kerry went arm in arm bellowing for illegal war with Libya? Do you not find it is strange that Obama never changed Bush/Cheney policies regarding: torture; bailouts; WARS; Patriot Act and lost of civil liberties and abuse of American citizenry. Exactly - both parties want huge intrusive central authority – its just one side prefers to balloon the size of government with aggressive warfare and less social welfare and vice-versa. Americans are spoon fed the “two party paradigm” as a controlling device through the lame-stream media – that’s why globalist neo-cons like Bachmann and Perry are being hyped as “tea party” and that is why they are desperately trying to co-opt many of Ron Paul’s life-long political positions on things, such as: auditing the Federal Reserve.
For years have you scratched your head wondering - why are our representatives in DC doing this? Are they trying to destroy America? Unfortunately in a sense – they are. For the globalist in both parties it’s not about gaining a secure and prosperous American Republic – upholding liberty maintaining the supreme law of the land – the U.S. Constitution. It is totally about maintaining an economic empire for a select group of oligarchs using the American military. It’s about redistributing American wealth and technology and building “emerging” economies in China. India etc while de-industrializing America! It’s about destroying our education system with federal control so that our young people test dismally against students in the rest of the world in science and math! We could go on and on about the abuses Americans suffer at the hands of a rogue government! However, you and I both know that throughout the process of the dismantling of America, the mainstream media tells you “its okay – remember back in 2008 when they spoon fed us “don’t worry either top tier candidate, Obama or McCain will get us on track”!
#12 Posted by TommyO, CJR on Wed 24 Aug 2011 at 12:23 PM
Crash course the phony “two party paradigm” and “media created tea party” Part: 3
The media is currently working overtime to convince voters that the candidates like Romney; Bachmann and Perry are significantly different than President Obama – this is definitely pure BS! All the 2012 candidates running in both parties EXCEPT RON PAUL are deep in the pocket of international banking and the military industrial complex! This corrupt system needs to keep bailing out criminals and keep this bogus war on terror going and ramped up bombing and saber rattling all awhile keeping the American people placated with the “two party paradigm” allowing for global elites to steal American national wealth and sovereignty! Ron Paul is the only candidate significantly different than Obama and therefore the ONLY ONE capable of beating him on issues that the majority of Americans heavily support (like ending: illegal wars; torture and illegal detention; abolishing the Patriot Act and Federal Reserve; stopping the IRS and getting us out of NATO and NAFTA etc.)
So, fellow Americans if by now you don’t acknowledge that Obama is a corporate puppet you are in serious denial or part of the subversion! If you want things to continue under the rule of the global “banksters’ and “tanksters” – maintain the status quo and allowing tyranny to grow under the phony “two party paradigm” - vote for the media’s "top tier": Obama; Romney; Bachmann; Perry etc., but if want things to truly change and have the assurance that you will have the right to be heard and not silenced then begin to restore America liberty now and support Ron Paul! He can’t be bought – and the establishment knows it! Check your states regulations for rules of primary voting and do whatever it takes so that you can cast your primary vote for Ron Paul.
WE WON’T BE FOOLED AGAIN!
RON PAUL 2012!!!!
#13 Posted by TommyO, CJR on Wed 24 Aug 2011 at 12:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njG7p6CSbCU
There's room at the top they are telling you still .
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill .
If you want to be like the folks on the hill ...
A working class hero is something to be
#14 Posted by nader paul kucinich gravel mckinney baldwin ventura sheehan, CJR on Wed 24 Aug 2011 at 03:22 PM
Arrogant academic eggheads.. Paul is in 3rd place in national polls, behind Perry and Romney but ahead of Bachmann. There's nothing "fringe" about him.
What is "fringe" is believing a $16 TRILLION national debt is just fine. That endless wars are just fine (warmongering Obama still hasn't brought the troops home!). That 9-10% unemployment is just fine (Obama promised if we did the emergency $800 BILLION bailout, unemployment would never rise above 8%!)
Obama has no record to run on, so you'll be seeing alot more demonizing of the Tea Party and whoever the GOP candidate is. It is IMPOSSIBLE for Democrats to run on their record on the economy.
#15 Posted by Average American, CJR on Wed 24 Aug 2011 at 07:02 PM
'there’s a puzzle for critics: Can you imagine a way for the press to identify the “right” dissents to pay attention to that doesn’t boil down to, “report from a perspective that privileges my personal political values”?'
The fact that the Columbia Journalism Review even asks this question undermines any trust we should place in today’s establishment media to keep us even remotely informed.
Formal logic should be the basis for this analysis. Is a candidate’s #mainstream or fringe# position supported by a logical argument? Are there any fallacies in their arguments? What are their assumptions? Based on these questions alone and a basic education in formal logic, and astute journalist could fairly decide what dissent or consensus to cover.
If logic is too complicated for the journalist’s brain, another obvious way to identify the right dissents #and the wrong consensuses# is to learn by experience. Give credence to those whose dissents, predictions and warnings have been astute and accurate. On the other hand, the consensus positions #or dissents# that prove to be erroneous and/or produce disastrous consequences should be ignored and discredited along with those who espouse these positions. However, this would require that the entire beltway punditocracy and nearly all of the government insiders be ignored and cast to the trash heap where they belong.
In either case, you will find that many “fringe” dissents and candidates should require more attention, while “mainstream” consensus and candidates should be ignored.
#16 Posted by Potreaux, CJR on Fri 26 Aug 2011 at 07:55 AM
I think you're giving Ron Paul a bit too much credit on foreign policy. His critique of the War on Drugs is thoughtful, and he deserves credit for that, but on every other geopolitical issue outside our borders his response is usually a boiler-plate "stay out of it, history shows that isolationism-at-all-times is always best." He shows little curiosity or interest in foreign affairs, actually, and never expresses any views that aren't seen through the prism of US domestic politics.
This concerns me. For all of the hubbub about Obama and the economy, voters need to bear in mind that the executive branch has much more influence over foreign policy than domestic, especially now with the President pretty much having sole authority to declare war now... since World War II, Congress has pretty much abdicated that power for better or for worse. My point is that when you're picking a presidential candidate, REMEMBER foreign policy please, my Republican friends.
#17 Posted by Hardrada, CJR on Tue 30 Aug 2011 at 12:52 AM
Hardrada, stop lying.
Ron Paul does not favor isolationism. And you have never seen him quoted in such a way as you're +claiming.
Isolationism: sanctions, protective tariffs, embargoes, corporate welfare, aggressive war. Isolationists: Obama, Bush, McCain, Romney, Clinton, et al.
And you say he gets "too much credit on foreign policy"? Oh, you mean for stuff like this and this and ...?
#18 Posted by Dan A., CJR on Tue 30 Aug 2011 at 06:22 AM
"Ron Paul Correctly Predicts Obama Lie"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUTYL8HfCGo
"Ron Paul: What if the People Wake up?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fHfdSi-GDo
#19 Posted by Dan A., CJR on Tue 30 Aug 2011 at 06:27 AM
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#20 Posted by Dan A., CJR on Tue 30 Aug 2011 at 06:33 AM
Ron Paul Can Win
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robin-koerner/ron-paul-can-win_b_939993.html
#21 Posted by Jessica, CJR on Tue 30 Aug 2011 at 05:54 PM