Earlier this week, Marc Ambinder predicted in the Atlantic that one of the “cons” of Mitt Romney’s “Faith in America” speech (delivered this morning and erroneously hyped by many outlets as an address of voter concerns with Romney’s religion) would be “a week of in-depth, public debate about the specific practices of Mormonism.”
Ambinder’s prediction underestimated Romney and overestimated the press. For his part, Romney made no mention of the more contentious aspects of his religion—those same aspects which caused the press to clamor for the speech in the first place—and the few press accounts that examined the actual theology of Mormonism struck the tone of a European explorer in Africa exclaiming on the “curious” customs he encounters.
Setting aside the question of whether “in-depth public debate” of a candidate’s religious beliefs is justified, the Romney speech was not used as an occasion for serious discourse anyway. Rather, it was an excuse for the press to gawk at Mormonism’s “quirks” without really explaining their ideological significance—all under the guise of theological discussion. Take this example from the AP story:
Mormons, for example, believe in a Heavenly Mother—God’s female partner—a pre-existence in heaven before birth, a hereafter that includes a three-level heavenly kingdom. They wear religious undergarments that some say possess protective powers; they bar non-Mormons from entering their temples; practice posthumous baptism and believe that man can progress to a God-like state in Heaven.
This typified the handling of the Romney religion story by much of the press. The very invocation of religion gives it enough weight to seem substantial, but the cataloguing of divine underwear is what’s really in play here.
The AP article does at least begin to explain some of the concerns evangelicals may have with a Mormon candidate. Of course, this comes just as a new Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll shows that those concerns have been greatly exaggerated. For instance, although 24 percent of “religiously conservative” voters would be less likely to vote for a Mormon, the much larger concern among the religious right, according to the poll, has to do with Romney’s record on abortion, homosexual rights, and other bread and butter causes of the movement.
The question is whether such a policy-driven clash is juicy enough to get the media’s attention?




How many CJR articles can CJR post on the religious beliefs of GOP candidates?...
HUH?...
CJR is nothing more than a liberal mouthpiece..
Posted by padikiller
on Tue 11 Dec 2007 at 11:24 PM
"How many CJR articles can CJR post on the religious beliefs of GOP candidates?"
As many as there are GOP candidates using religious belief as part of their campaign platform. Seems simple to me.
Posted by AhmNee
on Thu 13 Dec 2007 at 04:48 PM
"Appearing before a religious conference earlier this week, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-New York) told the audience that as a child attending Sunday school she would baby-sit the children of migrant workers so that their older siblings could join their parents at work.
"I was fortunate that at an early age, through my church, I was given the opportunity to expand my horizons," Clinton told the 600 adults and teenagers attending the Sojourners "Covenant for a New America" conference."...
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"...In terms of my political life I believe there's a lot of the things that are part of my faith belief is also part of my political belief. My responsibilities to others, to help others. My work for instance, with Urban Ministries. I have been on the board of Urban Ministries for years before I went to the Senate. To provide help to the homeless in the Raleigh-Durham area in North Carolina is an example of that. So I think it's just part of my entire life." -- John Edwards
Posted by padikiller
on Fri 14 Dec 2007 at 01:09 PM
AhmNee Wrote
Seems simple to me...
padikiller responds
I'm hardly surprised to learn this...
Simpleness seems to be one thing AhmNee is on top of...
Posted by padikiller
on Fri 14 Dec 2007 at 06:46 PM
Padi, thanks for the quotes from Clinton and Edwards. Proof once again that some people of faith understand that good works are the cornerstone of true religion.
How ironic that, in your zeal to show Clinton and Edwards talking about (Horrors!) their faith, you've managed to highlight the differences between them and, say, Huckabee, who seems to believe that his faith requires him to tell the rest of us how to live.
So what was your point in posting those pieces? What exactly was it that you were trying to prove?
Posted by monicalee
on Fri 14 Dec 2007 at 11:06 PM
monicalee babbles
Proof once again that some people of faith understand that good works are the cornerstone of true religion.
padikiller pounces on the pulpit in rebeuttal
Romans 4:2
For if Abraham were justified by works he hath whereof to glory?
Galatians 2:16
A man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ.
Romans 3:28
A man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.
Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.
Romans 3:20
By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight.
Hillary Clinton Preaches on the Scriptures
"It is certainly not in keeping with my understanding of the Scripture because this bill would literally criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even Jesus himself,"
padikiller wonders
How are we going to get Hillary and the moonbats to unite on the "Scripture" thing?....
HUH?....
Posted by padikiller
on Fri 14 Dec 2007 at 11:46 PM
"Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven; GIVE and it will be given to you; good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For the measure you GIVE will be the measure you get back.
Jesus - Luke 6:37
Posted by monicalee
on Sat 15 Dec 2007 at 04:15 PM
So the Bible is all over the road on the issue of the "works versus faith" debate... (As it is on a whole lot of issues) So what?...
So which of these divergent "positions" forms the "cornerstone" of "true religion"..
HUH?..
More importantly... What is the role of a "professional journalist" in delivering these divergent viewpoints?....
HUH?...
Posted by padikiller
on Sat 15 Dec 2007 at 09:22 PM
Wow. A full post with no other purpose than to attack me personally? I'm flattered.
Monicalee, welcome to the CJR forums. Don't take our resident troll too personally. Once you get used to the idea that if you give him enough rope he'll eventually hang himself ... he's actually quite entertaining.
Posted by AhmNee
on Mon 17 Dec 2007 at 02:23 PM
AhmNee Blithers Wow. A full post with no other purpose than to attack me personally? I'm flattered.
padikiller keeps it real Can some non-crazy person please tell me where Ahmnee has been "attacked" by me anywhere in the comments in this post?....HUH?......SUCH paranoia!...
Well... For the record....Just because you're paranoid, that doesn't mean that they're not out to get you....BWAH-HA-HA-HA!.......
Don't judge me, Monnbats!.... It's just the Rovian Halliburtonism in me seeking exorcism!.....
Posted by padikiller
on Mon 17 Dec 2007 at 09:38 PM
Um ... 4th post down.
Posted by AhmNee
on Wed 19 Dec 2007 at 05:22 PM
Hmmmm, Why did Padi show those two quotes? Perhaps it was to demonstrate something of the disperate treatment of the two sides? One side talks about religion after being asked questions (and therefore must be making them part of their platform) and so it must be looked into, while the other side talks about religion after being asked questions (and therefore must just be showing their soft side) and nothing should be looked into.
It reminds me of when Bush was only asked questions about WMD and then when he answered the only questions put to him he was criticized for only talking about WMD. He even held a press conference to address the other concerns and not one question from the press on any of them.
So, it seems like this is a press trick for opening a door for investigation. Ask questions on a subject so the person answers and now the person has made it a part of his platform (even though they haven't) and now we can run investigations and articles on it. It looks like a ginned up platform issue to me. Could we see an investigation and article into exactly who made this a candidacy platform issue and who didn't? And since we are on it, can we look into how Hillary accidently bumped into a sundayschool teacher even though they had met a month earlier? After all, when Hillary was asked a question and answered it, she had made it a candidacy platform issue (no, not about works she did but about the praying her dad did and praying she did as a kid, both irrelevant even to the religious life issue of today that the question was about.)
In any case, I don't agree with the claim that Hillary and Edwards are set apart from Huckabee with telling people how to live. Hillary and Edwards are all about socialist solutions, which means they are very much into telling people how to live, including socialized health care where no one can opt out.
Posted by Kerry, not the last name
on Mon 24 Dec 2007 at 07:42 AM
That's actually one of the reasons that the thought of Billary becoming President makes my skin crawl. Both she and Tipper Gore were forces behind censorship in the 90s, back when bands like GWAR would burn their likenesses in effigy (or throw them into giant meat grinders in effigy).
I am all for a female President, I just don't think the time is now and Hillary most certainly isn't the one. As much as I think we need a liberal president to undo the damage the conservative one we have has done ... I'd have to think long and hard before I'd throw my vote in with the Clinton camp.
Posted by AhmNee
on Thu 27 Dec 2007 at 12:36 PM
AhmNee Wrote
"I am all for a female President, [but]...."
padikiller waxes comedic
You just wouldn't want you sister marrying one, right?....
Must be an Edwards supporter, then, huh?... After all, Edwards seems to be the only Democratic feminine voice in the field right now...
Posted by padikiller
on Thu 27 Dec 2007 at 03:28 PM
"Edwards seems to be the only Democratic feminine voice in the field right now."
Way to stay on topic, Padi-troll.
I really am not fond of any of the choices we've been given. The supposed front runners of the election hopefuls are not the ones who are making the most legitimate noise. Call it opportunism if you will (I have my suspicions in that direction) but it's opportunism that is benefiting the American people at least. Dodd's stand against retroactive telcom immunity. Kucinich's motion to impeach the vice president. One could only hope the person to replace Bush will represent the people in the same way and fix some of the damage done by our current administration.
Posted by AhmNee
on Fri 28 Dec 2007 at 04:23 PM
Jeesh...
It appears that my little joke didn't go over well.
It wouldn't be a complete day in McLearyland if I weren't called a "troll" by some moonbat.
Posted by padikiller
on Sun 30 Dec 2007 at 09:16 AM
Well ... if you'd stop trolling ...
Posted by AhmNee
on Wed 2 Jan 2008 at 09:44 AM
Apparently "trolling" means "posting facts or opinions that irritate liberals".
Like shooting down the ignorant and false claim that Baltimore has amhigh unemployment rate...
Or that the Pilgrims sent poisoned blankets to kill the Indians after the first Thanksgiving.
Or that the UN (instead of NATO) is supporting the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan in its fight against the Taliban...
Etc., etc., etc,
If this is "trolling", then I suppose I'm guilty as charged.
Posted by padikiller
on Wed 2 Jan 2008 at 10:41 AM
I am offended by and tired of people slamming the Mormon church. Romney is open minded person free of personal prejudice. Romney will equally serve and treat all citizen of our nation with fairness. An article of faith in his church is "We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all people the same privilege, let them worship how, where or what they may." Mormons hold the U.S. Constitution in the highest regard and respect the separation of church and state. Thus, no Mormon leader will ever try to use his office to press his faith on other people. Yet, in this campaign we have seen a candidate (Huckabee) propose amending the constitution to agree with his interpretation of the Bible. Why aren't the voters outraged at such a proposal? It clearly violates our founding fathers respect for the separation of church and state. I am tired of postings claiming Mormons are not Christian and am offended by the Evangelical's voter guide which makes this unfounded and cruel claim. Evangelicals DO NOT OWN the word Christian. They do not have the right to tell another person whether or not he is a Christian. Their bigoted judgments impress me as very un-Christian. Perhaps a better qualification as to one's Christianity is in his willingness to follow Christ's teachings (Christ did say, "Come Follow Me") rather than whether they fit a definition some man or society has formulated in a particular denomination.
Posted by almanojodo
on Sat 26 Jan 2008 at 01:35 AM