Every case is important. It further shows we’re not liberating Afghans, we’re not in any way improving their quality of life, we’re contributing to violence, to occupation, to the detriment of civilians. I feel naïve and childish for saying we should be outraged about it. But when you get more information that your government is killing innocent people, you should be outraged.
Are there major outlets who have done some good reporting on the war, in your view?
The Guardian has Ghaith Abdul-Ahad, who does some incredible work. And then you have Afghan media outlets. We’re not sure of their reliability all the time. But in terms of reliable Western sources—if you’re going to call The New York Times reliable, and I think you can make an argument against that—there’s very little information coming out. Some of that is because of the danger, some of that is because people think it’s more dangerous than it actually is. Maybe [reporters] are afraid to do their job, or afraid to trust their Afghan colleagues.
It is obviously very difficult to get around. The trouble isn’t just the Taliban. It’s Afghan police, criminal gangs. Women have an advantage. At least if they’re not very large women, they can cover up and go wherever they want.
Women have an easier time getting around?
In general in the Muslim world, non-Muslim women are at an advantage. There’s like a force field around them, people don’t want to come too close. Jill Carroll maybe was an exception, but there haven’t been that many women who I know of that have been attacked. Maybe groped here and there. Men are just maybe more uncomfortable around women, or don’t even see them.
As someone who has embedded, managed to get around, and is familiar with what’s happening on the ground, do the documents give an accurate indication of the war?
In terms of Afghan security forces’ incompetence and corruption, absolutely. In terms of the bumbling nature of the American military, who may be more or less well intentioned—but the nature of being an occupied force means you’re going to be oppressing people no matter how nice you are—I think it accurately represents that.
Do you agree with some who have said that leaving the names of Afghan informants in some of the raw reports has put them in danger? Is this irresponsible?
The answer is “so what?” in part. Unless you’re a supporter of the war. If you’re trying to undermine the war then I don’t think it’s a catastrophic event.
But I think as a human being you don’t want to do things that can lead to other people suffering. Even I would say that WikiLeaks should have been more careful in concealing the names of people who could face violent retribution as a result of this. But let’s also remember that these are people who are collaborating with a foreign occupier that’s oppressing their fellow countrymen. In every situation like that—Algeria, Iraq—collaborators often suffer. Obviously, if the occupying country wants to preserve its collaborators, it has to take pains to protect their identities. The media and whatever you call WikiLeaks aren’t under the same obligation.
The argument that it’s revealing American information that could harm tactical strategies, that may be true, but WikiLeaks isn’t an American organization and they’re not beholden to American national security interests. Again, as somebody who thinks that war is wrong, and this war in particular—it doesn’t serve American interests, it doesn’t serve my interests—I think undermining that war in any way possible is a good thing.
Do you think retribution against Afghan informants is likely as a result of the leaks?
It’s plausible to assume somebody would get hold of some information that could lead to somebody getting killed as a result of this. They kill informants at such a high rate that a lot of these people are probably dead anyway.

This is not for publication- just sending a correction.
The final question is worded incorrectly. "What do you think will be the fallout will be?" should be "What do you think the fallout will be?"
#1 Posted by Chris, CJR on Mon 2 Aug 2010 at 05:46 PM
Rosen, I am with you until the point about AFghan collaborators. Assange has gone to great lengths to not reveal info that would directly endanger western troops. But for afghans, he does not have the same courtesy. Thats classic orientalism, "they" dont matter as much as "us".
#2 Posted by Martin Knutsen, CJR on Tue 3 Aug 2010 at 04:41 AM
"I think it’s a big deal. For people who are familiar with the region or with the war, it’s true that there’s nothing significantly new in terms of the big picture. Anyone familiar with it knows that in general it’s not going well, that Pakistan is both an ally and an opponent, and that the Afghan government is corrupt. So the argument people are making—that there’s nothing new—is true on one level, but it also makes it all the more outrageous. The most shocking thing is that the people who say they knew all this weren’t more shocked before."
Unfortunately this approach seems to take place with much of the media coverage of national embarrassments.
The Downing Street Memos for instance were treated as nothing new:
http://www.alternet.org/story/22282/
The Pentagon media consultants, the depth and expense of the surveillance state, the billions of lost American and Iraqi money to lax accounting and fraud:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/07/27/iraq.audit/index.html
it's all nothing new, and the press acts like we're criminalizing politics and becoming a banana republic if we dare go in too deep to find something new.
What this might show is that it's not new; not to the press, the politicians, and the officers they all pal around with. It's a tight little club in which very little is new and less is interesting unless it's another round of Sally Quinn gossip at an industry sponsored salon.
And the "nothing new" canard is often used to obscure real scandal such as the Valerie Plame scandal in which supposedly "everybody knew" Joe Wilson's wife was a cia operative and therefore Novak revealed "nothing new" when he blurted out her identity in print.
It's all common knowledge and collective wisdom circulating within the civil circles of David Broder's chums and pals in a village hardly connected to the world it talks about.
It's a high school clique in print and on tv, and there's nothing new about it.
#3 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 3 Aug 2010 at 06:07 AM
Exhibit A from one of the mouthpiece's himself
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/16/AR2005061601570.html
Today's press is a preventer of change and a defender of corruption because corrupt people talk to them and love to gossip.
#4 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 3 Aug 2010 at 06:16 AM
Thanks Chris, correcting it now.
#5 Posted by Joel Meares, CJR on Tue 3 Aug 2010 at 08:12 AM
Good to hear from Rosen, everyone’s favorite Taliban embed. At least we know you dropped whatever pretense of objectivism you may have once claimed.
The leaker should spend the rest of his life in Ft Leavenworth and Assange should receive an assassins bullet.
#6 Posted by Mike H, CJR on Tue 3 Aug 2010 at 01:22 PM
Mr Rosin after his latest comments needs to be put out with the rest of the trash. He is no better than a festering blemish on the body of Humanity
#7 Posted by John Mark Jones, CJR on Wed 16 Feb 2011 at 12:47 PM
Hey Joel, you hear that your buddy Nir just resigned from NYU’s Center on Law and Security after tweeting his glee over Lora Logan's rape because she wasn’t sufficiently anti-war for his taste?
I guess Nir didn’t get the “lets be civil” memo.
#8 Posted by Mike H, CJR on Wed 16 Feb 2011 at 02:05 PM