PM: It varies. There is a range of opinion and levels of sympathy for Hamas or for Israel. There’s an attempt to tell both sides of the story. I’ve had the luxury of writing a book and immersing myself in the twenty years of Hamas’s existence. So for me, I’ve been able to come to it with this broad sense of the history as opposed to the daily cut and thrust. And reporters and commentators, a lot of them writing about it these days get locked into that bigger narrative that is being crafted around them and, in quite in a deliberate way, for them.
KB: Talk about what it’s like to report in Gaza. What are the challenges for a reporter working there?
PM: I work with an interpreter, as do most of my colleagues. Gaza is, as a journalist, a rare place. Just because, because it’s so small, it’s very difficult for you not to find the people you want. It’s an easy patch to work for the journalists. People can’t leave. If you go to their office or you go to their home, chances are you’re going to find them. Because they’re all locked in, they’re happy to talk at length about their circumstances and the circumstances of the Palestinian people and what it means. There’s an incredible resilience of the people, and you would have to say that’s one of the traits of the Palestinian people that we have seen over and over. I mean, look at what they have been through in sixty years and they’re still refusing to fall over.
There’s a quote in the book from Yasser Arafat before he died, a hundred years after the Balfour conference. It was a few weeks before he died, Arafat told a reporter, “One-hundred-seven years after the founding of the global Zionist movement at the Balfour conference, Israel has failed to wipe us out. We are here, in Palestine, facing them.” And then he added, and this is the line that would have had great resonance in the U.S., he said, “We are not red Indians.” And that’s what you see in Gaza, you see it in the daily lives, the daily existence of the people. They are still there, despite decades of privation. And they’re not going anywhere. Someday, they’re going to have to be reckoned with. That’s what their history says. One of the lines that many Israeli commentators use is that Israel is still fighting the seventh day of the Six-Day War, with good reason.
KB: I wanted to talk a little bit about the challenge journalists face when reporting on conditions in international affairs that are outside the definitions that are set forward by the governments where their newspapers are located. For example, the American government labels Hamas as a terrorist organization. Do you think it’s a challenge for journalists to throw off those labels that governments put on things and re-examine them, or do you think that it’s something they can’t overcome?
PM: Oh, they can, and they have to. Most journalists would tell you that it’s one of their objectives on a daily basis, to attempt to explain the story behind, the story that illuminates the policy position by various governments. Recently it has been very hard in some ways to do that, because you couldn’t get into Gaza. There was a deliberate decision to prevent the media from going into Gaza during the war. Reporters always need to be looking at the labels that politicians and policymakers use, and to be assessing them to see whether they are the only labels. Invariably, you hear of Mahmoud Abbas, the head of the Palestinian Authority, the Fatah leader, being described as a moderate. But he is a moderate in terms of what? He is a moderate in terms of the militants in Hamas, but in the eyes of the Palestinian people?
You have to come back to how Palestinians perceive his moderation, and how Palestinians perceive the militancy of Hamas. If you inject some of that into a commentary or an analysis piece, you leave your readers with a different sense. To simply state that somebody is a moderate or somebody is a militant, and expect the reader to use that as the sole description or descriptor of an individual or an organization, doesn’t deliver all that could be delivered. You’re talking about Hamas? Hamas are militants, yes, they are militants who appealed to Palestinians at an election that was supervised by Western observers and deemed to be fair, and Palestinians chose the militants not necessarily because of their militancy, but because of their belief in them on a whole range of issues. And then you have to ask, “if they’re militants, if they are terrorists, how did they get to be allowed to contest an election? Who let them contest an election?” Israelis allowed them to contest the election, Americans allowed them to contest the election, Fatah allowed them to contest the election.
Right up until that first election that Hamas contested in 2006, Hamas had been saying, “We represent about fifty percent of Palestinian public opinion, therefore we should be accorded that level of representation in various Palestinian forums.” And everyone laughed, and said no, that’s not true, that’s not right, and so they allowed them to contest the election. Even though they had refused to renounce violence. There’s not too many militant or nationalist or liberation groups that have been allowed to contest elections without renouncing violence. They were allowed to do so, and they won the election. That has to count for something in your assessment in where Hamas stands in Palestinian affairs, and in the region.
KB: In your reading, have you noticed any mistakes or shortcuts that reporters or publications have taken that you feel are steering the story in a wrong direction?





A thought provoking piece, thank you. And thank you for the links. Will be clicking on all of them once I get home from work :-)
nb - The link to this article from your Home page does not work.
Posted by sdr19899 on Wed 11 Feb 2009 at 02:21 PM
Fixed!
Posted by Justin Peters on Wed 11 Feb 2009 at 03:24 PM
The author tells us that Hamas is not a terrorist group but uses terror as a weapon. He tells us that Hamas recognizes Israel and gives several proofs.
The proof is that rather than wage peace Hamas continually wages war against the State of Israel. The idea of resistance is the metaphor Hamas uses and resistance is sending rockets raining down on Israeli villages and towns.
The Israeli story is not being clearly represented in this journalists account of the story. Surely, the use of local ‘stringers’ as photographers, translators, et al is a very fraught with problems. How can this journalist gain insight into the minds of the Gazans, when his interpreter may be a Hamas-man? The Gazans have no way to express their own free opinions due to Hamas’ oppressive control.
Democracy does not simply mean elections but democratic institutions of state. Where are these institutions? Justice/Courts and Police to name just two.
This journalist should be more critical of his sources. Get the low down on the Gazans true feelings … beliefs … ‘the struggle’. We frame the problem in Hamas/Israel, Fatah/Israel, Hamas/Fatah/Israel. What’s been highjacked is the Palestinians and their own ownership of the Middle East problem.
Posted by tzatz on Wed 11 Feb 2009 at 05:01 PM
I do not see why suicide bombing, insurgency, rocket attacks, armed conflicts, air assaults, ground assaults, etc. cannot all simply be called "war".
Hamas can be described as an organization that currently governs Gaza and has been engaged in an intermittent war with Israel for many years. Details of the tactics employed by the sides in this war may or may not be important to mention depending on the focus of the article. But I don't see why it is necessary to put each belligerent into a separate category based on the tactics they choose.
If Israel decided its best strategy was to plant hidden bombs at random locations in Palestinian towns and set them off by remote control, we could reasonably call this terrorism, but would we then have to call the IDF "a terrorist organization"? That would be ridiculous. Terrorism is not an ideology; it's just another tactic of war.
Posted by DB on Wed 11 Feb 2009 at 06:50 PM
Paul McGeough is an extraordinary journalist and his knowledge of the Middle East is unrivalled among his Western peers. His reports from Iraq during the worst days of the conflict there put other journalists and media outlets to shame. Australia and the world are lucky to have such a a fair and fearless correspondent. I look forward to reading his book.
Posted by DanJoaquinOz on Thu 12 Feb 2009 at 03:01 AM
Paul Mcgeough never publishes anything until he has it verified at least 5 times as I discovered when I helped him with an important story in 2005.
I have both of his first two books and have ordered the third one due out next week.
I read his work in Australia no matter what he reports on because he is the best in our business.
Posted by Marilyn Shepherd on Wed 18 Feb 2009 at 11:52 AM
As others have said, Paul McGough is an outstanding chronicler of the events in the Middle East. His stance is always considered and well-informed and his understanding of Palestinian politics one of the most important resources we have for trying to grasp the complexities of the situation of Gaza, the West Bank, Fatah and of course Hamas. It is a shame if he is misread and caricatured as an apologist for terrorism, or a hater of Israel. I'll be reading his forthcoming book and hope colleagues and friends will do so.
Posted by Marjorie O'Loughlin on Thu 19 Feb 2009 at 10:48 PM
Kudos on an excellent interview, the questions were excellent and probing. Too often the media coverage in the United States is not evenhanded and doesn't even try, lacking even the basic social or historical context. Most of the reporters sit in Jerusalem and seemingly report from what they see on TV, or scattered filings from stringers. More need to go out and travel the territory, hear the voices, record their stories.
Posted by akhan on Fri 20 Feb 2009 at 01:18 AM
Thanks for the IDF/ADL vetted talking points from tzatz and DB above. Can we share part of the commission?
Posted by optimist on Fri 20 Feb 2009 at 10:41 PM
Thanks for this excellent interview. However, as an Australlian journalist, Mr. McGeough underestimates the situation for US journalists trying to inform Americans about this conflict. The studies by If Americans Knew (posted at www.ifamericansknew.org) and others have shown that the US media report on Israeli deaths at rates up to 13 times greater than they report on Palestinian deaths. Similarly, they consistently misreport the breaking of ceasefires -- see http://www.ifamericansknew.org/media/cfb.html
An award-winning Palestinian journalist, Mohammed Omer, was grotesquely strip searched by Israeli guards when he tried to return to his home in Gaza awhile back; this went largely unreported in the American media.
In 2003 a former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff testified on Capitol Hill that Israel had committed an act of war against the United States when it killed and injured 200 American servicemen; he went on to testify that this had been covered up by order of the White House. What should have been headline news -- statements of such significance by such a highly credentialed Naval admiral -- also went unreported to Americans.
The poor reporting on Israel, Hamas, Palestinians, etc. goes far beyond Mr. McGeough's comments.
Posted by Alison Weir on Sat 21 Feb 2009 at 02:44 PM
Tzatz - are you suggesting that Hamas' de facto recognition of Israel is incompatible with its resistance against Israeli occupation? What an odd concept.
Your argument about McGeough using an interpreter is also a red herring. He is not a gullible westerner and Gaza is not a fundamentalist theocracy.
The truth is, Israel has never allowed the Palestinians to develop the institutions of a democratic state. Israel ineptly midwifed Hamas in the 1980s as a foil to the secular and nationalist PLO, an organisation that recognised Israel decades ago and is committed to a peaceful two-state solution. When Hamas was democratically elected, they were prevented from governing by Israel and Fatah, with US and EU collusion. So yes, where are the democratic institutions? And we remember the fate of the police and the rest of the "Hamas infrastructure of terror" in Gaza.
And Tzatz, which sources should McGeough be more critical of? I've read the work in question and I would be happy to discuss it with you. But brush up your hasbara first, it's a little weak.
Posted by Karl on Sun 5 Apr 2009 at 12:17 AM