PM: You see it, and, look, my stance that I try to convey to you is that I don’t see it as a deliberate thing, I see it as one of the pitfalls of the cut and thrust of the daily story. You simply see that things are not being as fully explained as they might be. And some people fall into the black-and-white delineation without trying to grapple with the extensive grey in the whole crisis.
KB: Can you think of a handful of points that you wish were reiterated even in these kinds of from-the-frontlines reports, points that would sort of indicate to readers a greater subtlety in the situation?
PM: Well, the one thing that is not grappled with as often as it should be, and it’s one of the gravest elements of the story from the Palestinian perspective, is the whole Fatah-Hamas conflict. It is reduced simply to moderates versus militants. How it plays out on the ground in the daily lives of Palestinians and what it means is something that needs to be articulated more clearly, much more clearly.
The history is there. The people are there to talk about it, and I’ve got a whole chapter on it. And to go and talk to not just the Palestinians about it but to talk to Palestinians, to talk to the Americans, to talk to the Israelis about what actually happened there, and whether it was a spontaneous conflict on the ground in Gaza, or whether it was something that was driven by Washington, by Israel, [or] by Egypt (who armed and trained the Fatah). The Fatah decided and said, ‘go get them!’ and were shocked to discover that they were defeated in less than a week. That week of violence is an amazing microcosm to sort of look at the Middle East crisis, and where it’s at, and who all the different players are, and what they have been trying to get out of it, and the same for all of their missions and objectives.
KB: My sense is that it’s very hard to write about Hamas and Gaza and not be accused of ignoring Hamas’s history of violence. As a journalist who has worked to expand the public’s understanding of the region, how do you respond to that criticism?
PM: The Middle East crisis is a war, and war is a measure of failure, a point in human relations beyond which both sides have the capacity to do terrible things. That is the context in which, to use a cliché of the region, Hamas has become a fact on the ground—by dint of its own resourcefulness and determination as much as by the actions of others. To examine the movement is not to endorse its aims or tactics. It is a perfectly
reasonable and—I would argue—necessary role for journalists and authors to dig into, to explore and explain the internal terrain of such an organization. To do so certainly does not suggest to me either anti-Semitism or ignoring the role of violence and terror in the Hamas modus operandi.
To my mind, when an organization like this is at the crossroads of a conflict that hadsstraddled generations and drawn in superpowers, it is incumbent on us to attempt to understand exactly how it works and how it is changing or evolving—if in fact it is. In this context, I don’t see anyone in the media failing to observe or to examine the resort to violence by Hamas, either in its history or its present.
For a variety of voices on Gaza, Hamas, and the Middle East, check out Paul McGeough’s recommendations for newspapers, books, and blogs about the region.





A thought provoking piece, thank you. And thank you for the links. Will be clicking on all of them once I get home from work :-)
nb - The link to this article from your Home page does not work.
Posted by sdr19899 on Wed 11 Feb 2009 at 02:21 PM
Fixed!
Posted by Justin Peters on Wed 11 Feb 2009 at 03:24 PM
The author tells us that Hamas is not a terrorist group but uses terror as a weapon. He tells us that Hamas recognizes Israel and gives several proofs.
The proof is that rather than wage peace Hamas continually wages war against the State of Israel. The idea of resistance is the metaphor Hamas uses and resistance is sending rockets raining down on Israeli villages and towns.
The Israeli story is not being clearly represented in this journalists account of the story. Surely, the use of local ‘stringers’ as photographers, translators, et al is a very fraught with problems. How can this journalist gain insight into the minds of the Gazans, when his interpreter may be a Hamas-man? The Gazans have no way to express their own free opinions due to Hamas’ oppressive control.
Democracy does not simply mean elections but democratic institutions of state. Where are these institutions? Justice/Courts and Police to name just two.
This journalist should be more critical of his sources. Get the low down on the Gazans true feelings … beliefs … ‘the struggle’. We frame the problem in Hamas/Israel, Fatah/Israel, Hamas/Fatah/Israel. What’s been highjacked is the Palestinians and their own ownership of the Middle East problem.
Posted by tzatz on Wed 11 Feb 2009 at 05:01 PM
I do not see why suicide bombing, insurgency, rocket attacks, armed conflicts, air assaults, ground assaults, etc. cannot all simply be called "war".
Hamas can be described as an organization that currently governs Gaza and has been engaged in an intermittent war with Israel for many years. Details of the tactics employed by the sides in this war may or may not be important to mention depending on the focus of the article. But I don't see why it is necessary to put each belligerent into a separate category based on the tactics they choose.
If Israel decided its best strategy was to plant hidden bombs at random locations in Palestinian towns and set them off by remote control, we could reasonably call this terrorism, but would we then have to call the IDF "a terrorist organization"? That would be ridiculous. Terrorism is not an ideology; it's just another tactic of war.
Posted by DB on Wed 11 Feb 2009 at 06:50 PM
Paul McGeough is an extraordinary journalist and his knowledge of the Middle East is unrivalled among his Western peers. His reports from Iraq during the worst days of the conflict there put other journalists and media outlets to shame. Australia and the world are lucky to have such a a fair and fearless correspondent. I look forward to reading his book.
Posted by DanJoaquinOz on Thu 12 Feb 2009 at 03:01 AM
Paul Mcgeough never publishes anything until he has it verified at least 5 times as I discovered when I helped him with an important story in 2005.
I have both of his first two books and have ordered the third one due out next week.
I read his work in Australia no matter what he reports on because he is the best in our business.
Posted by Marilyn Shepherd on Wed 18 Feb 2009 at 11:52 AM
As others have said, Paul McGough is an outstanding chronicler of the events in the Middle East. His stance is always considered and well-informed and his understanding of Palestinian politics one of the most important resources we have for trying to grasp the complexities of the situation of Gaza, the West Bank, Fatah and of course Hamas. It is a shame if he is misread and caricatured as an apologist for terrorism, or a hater of Israel. I'll be reading his forthcoming book and hope colleagues and friends will do so.
Posted by Marjorie O'Loughlin on Thu 19 Feb 2009 at 10:48 PM
Kudos on an excellent interview, the questions were excellent and probing. Too often the media coverage in the United States is not evenhanded and doesn't even try, lacking even the basic social or historical context. Most of the reporters sit in Jerusalem and seemingly report from what they see on TV, or scattered filings from stringers. More need to go out and travel the territory, hear the voices, record their stories.
Posted by akhan on Fri 20 Feb 2009 at 01:18 AM
Thanks for the IDF/ADL vetted talking points from tzatz and DB above. Can we share part of the commission?
Posted by optimist on Fri 20 Feb 2009 at 10:41 PM
Thanks for this excellent interview. However, as an Australlian journalist, Mr. McGeough underestimates the situation for US journalists trying to inform Americans about this conflict. The studies by If Americans Knew (posted at www.ifamericansknew.org) and others have shown that the US media report on Israeli deaths at rates up to 13 times greater than they report on Palestinian deaths. Similarly, they consistently misreport the breaking of ceasefires -- see http://www.ifamericansknew.org/media/cfb.html
An award-winning Palestinian journalist, Mohammed Omer, was grotesquely strip searched by Israeli guards when he tried to return to his home in Gaza awhile back; this went largely unreported in the American media.
In 2003 a former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff testified on Capitol Hill that Israel had committed an act of war against the United States when it killed and injured 200 American servicemen; he went on to testify that this had been covered up by order of the White House. What should have been headline news -- statements of such significance by such a highly credentialed Naval admiral -- also went unreported to Americans.
The poor reporting on Israel, Hamas, Palestinians, etc. goes far beyond Mr. McGeough's comments.
Posted by Alison Weir on Sat 21 Feb 2009 at 02:44 PM
Tzatz - are you suggesting that Hamas' de facto recognition of Israel is incompatible with its resistance against Israeli occupation? What an odd concept.
Your argument about McGeough using an interpreter is also a red herring. He is not a gullible westerner and Gaza is not a fundamentalist theocracy.
The truth is, Israel has never allowed the Palestinians to develop the institutions of a democratic state. Israel ineptly midwifed Hamas in the 1980s as a foil to the secular and nationalist PLO, an organisation that recognised Israel decades ago and is committed to a peaceful two-state solution. When Hamas was democratically elected, they were prevented from governing by Israel and Fatah, with US and EU collusion. So yes, where are the democratic institutions? And we remember the fate of the police and the rest of the "Hamas infrastructure of terror" in Gaza.
And Tzatz, which sources should McGeough be more critical of? I've read the work in question and I would be happy to discuss it with you. But brush up your hasbara first, it's a little weak.
Posted by Karl on Sun 5 Apr 2009 at 12:17 AM