Rick Perry zipped into Ottumwa, Iowa Saturday with a message about Social Security. Along with the usual jabs at the president and the bad economy, Perry went after Social Security. Said candidate Perry:
It’s a Ponzi scheme for these young people. The idea that they’re working and paying into Social Security today, that the current program is going to be there for them, is a lie It’s a monstrous lie on this generation, and we can’t do that to them.
Perry tried to reassure elders in the audience that he was not going to mess around with their Social Security benefits. But he called for a national conversation about changes for younger people, including raising the age for eligibility and means testing the program “Does Warren Buffett need to get Social Security? Maybe not,” he said. At a news conference in Des Moines, someone asked Perry whether he supported changes in eligibility for Social Security. Like candidates do, he avoided answering and repeated his call for a “national conversation about how we can save the Social Security program that people expect to have as a retirement program.” But what, exactly, would he do?
We do know from a report by Radio Iowa that Perry had some harsh words for a reporter who asked whether the governor’s campaign had “backed off” the idea, as expressed in his 2010 book Fed Up, that Social Security should not be “something that falls within” the authority of the federal government. Perry replied he hadn’t “backed off anything in my book” and admonished the reporter to read his book again and “get it right.” Another reporter pressed whether Perry believes Medicare is unconstitutional. He shot back: “I never said it was unconstitutional. I look at Medicare just like I look at Social Security. They’re programs that aren’t working.” The candidate wasn’t going to discuss the implicit aren’t-working-for-whom part of his assertion, instead calling for “national conversation about it.”
On the same day, one state away in Lincoln, Nebraska, not far from the home territory of Warren Buffett, Dan Holtmeyer, one of my journalism students, was doing man-on-the street interviews. The people he met spoke of the difficulty of getting simple facts without bias so they could better understand these issues. A student named Jamie told him she wished there were some basic explanations of the debt ceiling and Social Security, which could be followed up with substantive news articles.
Facts and definitions are usually not part of stump speeches, so the good people of Ottumwa were left with a misleading picture of Social Security, and the good people of Lincoln had only a fuzzy understanding as well, partly because the media haven’t done a bang-up job of cluing in the masses about how such programs actually work and why they might need them. Orwellian speak of campaigns is not supposed to enlighten—but press coverage of them should.
So I wanted to cheer when a piece was published on CNBC.com last week that seemed to be what Jamie, the student, was asking for. That article, “Social Security: CNBC Explains,” written by senior editor Mark Koba, is a much needed, simple, and clear primer on Social Security that gives answers to questions on how benefits are calculated, how benefits are taxed, how the program is funded, and what the trust fund is. You can even learn what those digits in your Social Security number mean.
Koba drove home why Social Security matters. The last section explains some of the controversy surrounding the program. Koba makes two points that have been missing from most of the Social Security reportage this year and provide important context for the public’s understanding:
• Big business opposed Social Security from the beginning because it imposed new taxes and bookkeeping chores and, as Koba put it, “undermined the absolute dependence of the employees on the company.”
• Eight percent of the elderly receiving Social Security are poor, but forty-eight percent of the elderly receiving Social Security checks would be below the poverty line if it weren’t for the program.

Are you freaking kidding me, Trudy?
"But what, exactly, would he [Rick Perry] do [to fix Social Security]?"
What the Hell would Obama do to fix Social Security? Where's his plan? HUH?
Where the Hell have you been for the last two and an half years of the Obama administration?
Obama is in position to do a whole lot more about Social Security than Rick Perry is, after all.
Dems get a free pass, Trudy?\
For real?
#1 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Tue 30 Aug 2011 at 12:42 AM
Rick Perry is a stupid, stupid man. And judging by the comment from "padikiller" (huh?), so are his worshipers.
#2 Posted by Bernard Webb, CJR on Tue 30 Aug 2011 at 08:02 AM
Always juvenile ad hominem from the left side of the aisle...
Where's Obama's plan to deal with Social Security? Or Medicare? Where's Reid's plan? Or Pelosi's?
HUH?
(And for the record, I do not support Perry, Bachmann or Palin).
I want to know why it is that GOP candidates are expected to have a detailed plan for entitlement reform here in Trudy's Liberal Lieberman La La Land, while sitting Democratic leaders get a free pass.
It's a reasonable request.
Why the disparity?
#3 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Tue 30 Aug 2011 at 11:04 AM
There is 'disparity' between Ms. Lieberman's coverage of Perry and Obama because, last time I checked, Obama isn't trying to derail social security. Has he come out with statements saying that wants to change the system? Even hinting at that? Last time I checked, he was trying to save it. Does it need work? Maybe. But Perry is definitely doing this for political points, he doesn't have a clear plan of what he wants to do, and last time I checked, a good leader tries to fix problems s/he sees, not just tell us they're problems. We know that.
So that's why Ms. Lieberman is discussing Perry. I won't argue that this site is "liberal" in the loose and usually erroneous spectrum of right and left wing, but this article is fair.
#4 Posted by Nick , CJR on Tue 30 Aug 2011 at 12:01 PM
Nick wrote: Obama isn't trying to derail social security. Has he come out with statements saying that wants to change the system? Even hinting at that?
padikiller tolls the Reality Bell:
"That discussion will begin next month, Obama said, when he convenes a "fiscal responsibility summit" before delivering his first budget to Congress. He said his administration will begin confronting the issues of entitlement reform and long-term budget deficits soon after it jump-starts job growth and the stock market.
"What we have done is kicked this can down the road. We are now at the end of the road and are not in a position to kick it any further," he said. "We have to signal seriousness in this by making sure some of the hard decisions are made under my watch, not someone else's....'
...Five days before taking office, Obama was careful not to outline specific fixes for Social Security and Medicare, refusing to endorse either a new blue-ribbon commission or the concept of submitting an overhaul plan to Congress that would be subject only to an up-or-down vote, similar to the one used to reach agreement on the closure of military bases."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/15/AR2009011504114.html
So...
Where is Trudy demanding specifics from Obama?
#5 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Tue 30 Aug 2011 at 12:17 PM
Nick has it right. The Washington Post article cited by Padikiller confirms what Nick said, that Obama thought that the Social Security is in pretty good shape and could be fixed with much less difficulty than other entitlements.
Padikiller should have rung his bell when Perry mischaractarized Social Security as a Ponzi scheme. This is not the first time that a politician has attacked the program using language designed to make young people feel like old people are cheating them.
Does Padiklller believe that old people are cheating young people?
#6 Posted by Bob Gardner, CJR on Wed 31 Aug 2011 at 12:07 AM
You guys are on crack.
Obama said he was going to reform entitlements by making (unspecified) "hard decisions" and the fawning press (including his biggest cheerleader, Trudy Lieberman) gave him a free pass.
Rick Parry calls for a "conversation" about different ways to reform entitlements and out come the pitchforks!...
The bias is there, fellas, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.
There is no doubt that Social Security is indeed a Ponzi scheme. Benefits exceed contributions. Isn't that the definition of a Ponzi scheme?
#7 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Wed 31 Aug 2011 at 06:52 AM
Make that "Rick Perry"...
And all the semantic quibbling over the differences and similarities between Social Security and Ponzi's postal coupon scheme won't change the fact that Social Security benefits (1) are paid from new contributions of new "investors" (the essence of a Ponzi scheme), and (2) benefit payments exceed contributions (the outcome that put Ponzi in prison when his scheme collapsed).
#8 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Wed 31 Aug 2011 at 07:22 AM
@ Padikiller
Explain how you go from
"Always juvenile ad hominem from the left side of the aisle.."
to "You guys are on crack" on the same comment thread.
#9 Posted by Bob Gardner, CJR on Wed 31 Aug 2011 at 08:15 AM
Bob wrote: Explain how you go from
"Always juvenile ad hominem from the left side of the aisle.."
to "You guys are on crack" on the same comment thread.
padikiller responds: It's a three step process:
1. I point out the undeniable fact that CJR demands specifics from a GOP candidate who criticizes Social Security and calls for a "national conversation" to reform it, but CJR ignored the POTUS who called for "hard decisions" to be made to reform Social Security and gave him a free pre-election pass on detailing his proposals (or lack of them) to fix the system.
2. The liberals dodge and weave and obfuscate in the face of this undeniable truth - dancing around the plain reality to defend the liberal activism here (cloaked in the mantle of "professional journalism")
3. In the face of this liberal cognitive dissonance, I question the sobriety of these liberals.
As for the leftists - they would probably benefit from a 12-step program. Maybe then they will be able to acknowledge facts and deal with them.
#10 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Wed 31 Aug 2011 at 08:46 AM
Another 3 step process.
1. Padikiller points out that when Rick Perry calls Social Security a Ponzi scheme CJR asks for specifics, but CJR did not call for specifics when Barack Obama didn't call Social Security a Ponzi scheme. Liberals point out that Social Security is not a Ponzi scheme, and imply that Padikiller is stupid.
2. Padikiller replies that he has a reality bell and he's not afraid to use it. Furthermore, he questions the liberals sobriety.
3. Liberals point out the undeniable fact that lack of sobriety can be remedied by a good night's sleep.
#11 Posted by bob gardner, CJR on Wed 31 Aug 2011 at 10:12 PM
Bob...
You're dancing the Ole' Liberal Two-Step around the plain reality, here.
Trudy doesn't take exception to Perry's (absolutely accurate) characterization of Social Security as a Ponzi scheme. Instead, she demands details of his reform proposals after he clearly called for a "national conversation" discuss entitlement reform...
Obama, on the other hand, called for unspecified "hard decisions" to be made to reform Social Security, and received no similar demand for details from Trudy or any of the other "watchdogs" here at CJR.
This is the R E A L I T Y. It isn't going anywhere, no matter how hard you try to change the subject. A conservative presidential candidate calls for a conversation to elicit ideas to reform entitlement spending and the liberal "professional journalist" demand immediate proposals... A liberal candidate demands "hard decisions" to reform entitlements and we get crickets chirping in CJR-Land.
As for Perry's comparison of Social Security to a Ponzi scheme, please note the following irrefutable truths:
1. The President of the United States, a little more than a month ago, publicly informed the American people that SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFIT PAYMENTS WERE IN JEOPARDY due to the debt ceiling crisis.
2. The reason that Social Security payments were in jeopardy is that without borrowing money, there was NO MONEY TO PAY BENEFITS.
3. The reason that there was no money to pay benefits without borrowing money was because we have spent ALL OF THE PRIOR CONTRIBUTIONS.
4. The (main) reason we spent all the prior contributions is that WE TAKE MONEY FROM CONTRIBUTIONS OF FUTURE BENEFICIARIES TO PAY BENEFITS TO CURRENT BENEFICIARIES.
CONCLUSION: A scheme that pays benefits to current beneficiaries from the payments made by future beneficiaries is called a P O N Z I scheme.
And that's what we have in our Social (In)security plan, Bob. Plain and simple.
#12 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Thu 1 Sep 2011 at 12:49 PM
Sorry, padkiller. You're confused.
Social Security is insurance. All insurance companies pay current beneficiaries from the contributions of future benficiaries. When you buy house or car insurance, some your premium is used to pay current beneficiaries.
What's left over is invested. Since the '80's Social Security has invested trillions of dollars in government bonds. Some of that surplus is being used now when claims are high and premiums (ie taxe revenues) are low.
The U.S. government is in debt to the Social Security Administration, just like the U.S. government in debt to all its bondholders. If the government had stiffed the bond holders, the bond holders would have had a hard time meeting their own obligations.
Those are the facts. Social Security is not a Ponzi scheme. It does not depend on its contributions growing at a geometric rate. Money has been prudently invested for use when contributions don't keep up with payouts to beneficiaries.
You can't change these facts with your grandiosity.Using adjectives like "undeniable" or "irrefutable" in front of your errors do not make them facts, and neither can you turn an insurance company into a ponzi scheme by typing ponzi in capital letters with a space between each letter.
As for accusing the author of this blog of not challenging Obama on Social Security. . .
Are you freakin' kidding me, Padikiller? Where the Hell have you been for the last two and an half years of the Obama administration?
#13 Posted by bob gardner, CJR on Thu 1 Sep 2011 at 06:46 PM
Bob wrote: All insurance companies pay current beneficiaries from the contributions of future benficiaries.
padikiller responds: No they don't.. They pay from returns on investments they make with premiums collected - a margin called a "float" in insurance lingo. These investments are real assets - typically shares of corporations, real estate investments trusts or limited partnerships. These assets represent ownership of actual property. Real estate. Gold bars. Ongoing businesses. Etc.
Insurance companies are also highly regulated and in addition to strict capital requirements, they are reinsured by companies underwritten by the wealth of the underwriters. Again, REAL property backing REAL investments.
The Social Security Trust Fund, on the other hand, is comprised entirely of paper IOU's from Congress. These IOU's represent mere unsecuritized promises to pay. They do not confer title to any property. They are not enforceable in any court. They are not saleable in any market anywhere in the world. They can be modified or even revoked by an act of Congress at any time Congress feels like doing so and a President agrees. PERIOD.
How can anyone argue that these so-called "investments" have any intrinsic worth in light of Obama's recent admission that payments were jeopardized by politics? What's stopping Congress from defaulting? Or devaluing these IOU's? What do we do in the next debt ceiling crisis the next time a President can't send out Social Security checks?
By any reasonable definition, Social Security is a Ponzi scheme. SSA takes real money in taxes and gives it to Congress to send Michelle Obama jetting off to Spain and Martha's Vineyard, and in return Congress dumps IOU's into a "trust fund". There is no money in the trust fund (by "money", I mean any object that can be exchanged in a market somewhere for goods or services). Social security benefits are paid from the contributions of future beneficiaries - just as Ponzi paid his initial investors.
Contrary to your claim, the trust fund is indeed being depleted at a geometric rate, and (of course) much sooner than forecasted to do so. At the rate it is being depleted now, it will be gone in less than 25 years.
Where's Obama's plan to fix it? HUH?
Finally Bob.... If you can link to a post where Trudy Lieberman ever voiced a demand for any specific performance from Obama... I'd like to see it. Good luck with that. All I've seen is slobbering sycophantic fawning.
#14 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Thu 1 Sep 2011 at 08:41 PM
Padikiller wrote
"Finally Bob.... If you can link to a post where Trudy Lieberman ever voiced a demand for any specific performance from Obama... I'd like to see it. Good luck with that. All I've seen is slobbering sycophantic fawning."
How about:
Campaign Desk— February 27, 2009
Where’s the Plan?
"But yesterday there were no such details and specifics, and not much leadership."
"When it comes to Obama’s health proposals, journalists need to keep asking “Where’s the beef?”
But you don't have to go back that far to find Lieberman attacking an Obama proposal. You only have to go back to 7/26/11 when Lieberman attacked the chained CPI which the Obama Administration was floating.
There was fawning, too, but it was in the comment section where some slobbering sycophant was in a tizzy because his precious Obama had been accused of cutting benefits. Can you guess who the commenter was?
#15 Posted by bob gardner, CJR on Thu 1 Sep 2011 at 11:24 PM
Moving the Goalposts, Illustrated:
padikiller wrote: Trudy Lieberman demands specifics on Social Security reform from a GOP candidate who calls for a "discussion" on the matter, yet gave Obama a free pass as a candidate when he called for unspecified "hard decisions" be made to reform Social Security.
bob responds: Yeah, but look back to this article Trudy wrote two years ago where she jumped on Obama about health care, and this newer article where she jumps on the media over the chained CPI COLA plan from the "Gang of Six"....
padikiller replies: Nice try, Bob. We're not talking about health care. We're talking about Social Security reform. Furthermore the more recent article you cite contains nary a demand upon Obama from Trudy at all.
All the dodging in the world will not change the plain reality - namely that CJR has a huge double standard arising from its pervasive liberal bias. Refusing to acknowledge this reality is as silly as it is futile.
Sure, CJR will jump on Obama if he refuses to slide left enough to keep the resident "professional journalist watchdogs" happy - as Trudy jumped on him when he failed to deliver the single-payer commie/liberal national health plan she dreams of... But calling him on the carpet when there's an election coming?! Badmouth a Dem while voters are reading?! HELL NO!...
#16 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Fri 2 Sep 2011 at 10:43 AM
So, when you say you haven't seen a " post where Trudy Lieberman ever voiced a demand . . . . All I've seen is slobbering sycophantic fawning ." You don't mean "ever" you mean " when there's an election coming." And "slobbering sycophantic fawning" means "jump(ing) on Obama if he refuses to slide left enough . . . . "
#17 Posted by bob gardner, CJR on Fri 2 Sep 2011 at 09:47 PM