It’s a pretty dubious distinction to be credited with publishing “the first anonymous smear of the 2008 presidential race,” by the New York Times. But that’s the honor that Insightmag.com’s Jeffrey T. Kuhner has been awarded for publishing a story on January 17 claiming that Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama had attended a radical Islamic madrassa as a child living in Indonesia.
Soon after the Web site (Insight is owned by the Unification Church, which is led by the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, who also owns the Washington Times) printed its accusation, Fox News’ John Gibson, as well as a slew of right-wing radio talk shows, went big with the story, reportedly leaked by “researchers connected to Senator Clinton.”
Well, it turns out that the original report was false — CNN shot it down by employing the increasingly novel strategy of actually sending a reporter to the school to check it out — and as mentioned above, the Times’ David D. Kirkpatrick ran a postmortem on the kerfuffle in this morning’s paper.
To be honest, we’ve only been half-paying attention to this story over the past week and a half, but Kirkpatrick’s piece raises some interesting questions.
Kirkpatrick writes that “The Clinton-Obama article followed a series of inaccurate or hard-to-verify articles on Insight and its predecessor magazine about politics, the Iraq war or the Bush administration, including a widely discussed report on the Insight Web site that President Bush’s relationship with his father was so strained that they were no longer speaking to each other about politics,” as well as false reports that “President Bill Clinton was selling plots at Arlington National Cemetery to Democratic campaign donors, and, during the Bush administration, that Saddam Hussein’s purported weapons of mass destruction might have been found.”
So the main question is, after all this, why should we take seriously anything that this online rag has to say? Every news organization gets things wrong, but Insight seems to have developed a business model out of concocting fables. Then there’s the issue of the site’s policy of refusing to byline stories. Kirkpatrick writes that, “To most journalists, the notion of anonymous reporters relying on anonymous sources is a red flag.” That’s true, although Kirkpatrick doesn’t kick hard enough in this instance. The fact that Insight uses anonymous reporters wouldn’t be such a problem if the publication had a credible track record. The Economist, which also shuns bylines, manages to avoid these kinds of problems, after all. Insight’s track record, as noted earlier, is a joke.
Despite this, we’re still talking about the story, because as David Brock so ably showed during his time at Insight in the 1990s, it doesn’t take a respected news organization to run a big-time smear campaign — all it takes is for the rest of the media to repeat the story, while neglecting to follow it up with their own reporting.
As the Los Angeles Times’ Tim Rutten wrote over the weekend, “The news media, after all, are like every American institution, home to its share of idiots, poseurs, slothful time-markers and self-interested time servers.”
Hear, hear.

"...all it takes is for the rest of the media to repeat the story, while neglecting to follow it up with their own reporting."
And for the media who repeats the falsehoods not to bother to correct the falsehoods and not pay any price for repeating them.
That's why the right-wing noise machine is so effective. There's no accountability and unlike legitimate organizations like the NYT, Reuters and CNN do actually fire people for being flagrantly wrong, despite what padikiller will say. Doocy and Gibson will pay no price.
Posted by not the senator on Mon 29 Jan 2007 at 03:32 PM
Paul McLeary Wrote:
But that's the honor that Insightmag.com's Jeffrey T. Kuhner has been awarded for publishing a story on January 17 claiming that Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama had attended a radical Islamic madrassa as a child living in Indonesia.
padikiller responds
Are we talking about THIS article?...
http://www.insightmag.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=5D3B38F8A2584DB5A77BA05660C6045C&nm=Free+Access&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=8F3A7027421841978F18BE895F87F791&tier=4&id=B85E731B7602454BBFE7451111C6C4EC
Where does this article claim that Obama attended a madrassa?...
HUH, Mr. McLeary?...
The article IN FACT claims that HILLARY CLINTON'S people made this accustation and that Insight mag placed call's to Barak's office seeking comment... The article also notes that Barack attends a Christian Church...
In typical, politically-motivated dishonest fashion...Mr. McLeary has propunded yet another falsehood upon his hapless readers.. And has utterly failed to report to his readers that the SOURCE of the Insight story is alleged to be the CLINTON CAMP, who ran a background check on Obama and leaked the conclusions to Insight...
Another example of defamatory yellow journalism from the Czar of McLearyland!..
I sear to JEEBUS that I can't see how McLeary routinely slides this tripe past even the most derelict editor at CJR!...
If I were Mr. Kuhner, I'd have my lawyer on the phone right now!...
Posted by padikiller on Mon 29 Jan 2007 at 05:17 PM
Strangely enough, I have a source who says there is a report circulating among the McLearyites that Padikiller himself attended Chicago Theological Seminary during his years as a caterpillar. According to this report -- as yet unreleased -- Padikiller is actually the pseudonym of Robert Novak, noted right-wing blowhard and revealer of state secrets and other people's identities. I have no way of checking this source's truthfulness -- it's possible that it's just a base allegation that would cast doubt upon Padikiller's reputation as a secular humanist. I could, of course, call the CTS and see if the allegations hold up, but why should that stop me from reporting the allegations as if they might be true anyway? There are certainly no ethical issues involved here!
Plus, I could always ask the McLearyites for a copy of the alleged report. I'm sure they'd be glad to give it to me, assuming it actually exists. But of course it must! I just wrote about it, the idea of it is now in print, and to deny it would be just like those darned liberal wingnut moonbat McLearyites.
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Hmmph. Padikiller is not an idiot, but he sure tries hard to seem like one.
After all, how reliable of a source can this anonymous informer to Insightmag be when so much of the information the source gives is wrong? Must have been a hell of a good report that Clinton's group allegedly dug up....
And how reliable of is Insightmag if it didn't do its legwork on the allegations first? If the allegations are false, where's the story? That an unpublished report exists that links Obama to something that isn't true?
And if Padikiller wants to propound the it's the Clinton camp who is at fault here, then I will have to thank Rev. Caterpillar for his sermon....
Posted by Stecxjo on Mon 29 Jan 2007 at 10:30 PM
The STORY here is NOT (as Mr. McLeary falsely claims) that Insightmag.com reported that Obama attended a Madrassa...
Insightmag did NO such thing...
Instead the magazine reported that Clinton's camp leaked a hatchet job...
THAT is the story....
You liberal fruitcakes can deny all you want, but the truth is the truth....
Posted by padikiller on Tue 30 Jan 2007 at 09:19 AM
One must note Paul McLeary's visceral reaction to Insightmag's article...
Versus CJR's reaction to the fraudulent pre-election TANG hatchet job that got Dan Rather canned...
This self-proclaimed "watchdog" is nothing but a screeching biased hypocrite.. A man who places his political agenda above professional ethics...
Every time some conservative writer comes out with a book... McLeary is there with a take-down.. And everytime some liberal writes a book (even a nearly universally discredited work like Bob Woodward's latest diatribe) McLeary is there with a defense..
He jumped all over Sen. Allen before the election about Allen's alleged "racism"- but we never read a peep from McLeary about Sen. Robert Byrd, who was also up for reelection as a FORMER KKK MEMBER..
McLeary wants to hold Republicans accountable for mistakes... But you won't see a word in any of his articles about the Democratic mistakes..
McLeary is no journalist... Nor is he a watchdog... He is an ideologue...
Posted by padikiller on Tue 30 Jan 2007 at 09:30 AM
Padikiller, the article states that "An investigation of Mr. Obama by political opponents within the Democratic Party has discovered that Mr. Obama was raised as a Muslim by his stepfather in Indonesia. Sources close to the background check, which has not yet been released, said Mr. Obama, 45, spent at least four years in a so-called Madrassa, or Muslim seminary, in Indonesia.
"He was a Muslim, but he concealed it," the source said. "His opponents within the Democrats hope this will become a major issue in the campaign." "
The article continues quoting supposed Democratic sources making the same point and never implies that this is a "hatchet job." The focus is on Obama's alleged Muslim indoctriniation as much or more as Clinton's alleged smear campaign.
You're right, truth is hell. Especially when it's not on your side.
Posted by Shadow32 on Tue 30 Jan 2007 at 10:54 AM
You liberal nutjobs can dance around the reality all you want..
But you're not going to change the fact that Mr. McLeary's claim that Insight's online magazine reported that "Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama had attended a radical Islamic madrassa as a child living in Indonesia" is FALSE...
The magazine simply did NO SUCH THING...
PERIOD...
Insight magazine reported the accusation MADE BY OTHERS... Attributed the source (HILLARY CLINTON'S PEOPLE).. Reported the nature of the accustion.. (A backround check)...Contacted Obama for comment (and noted he did not respond).... Reported Obama's prior comments (including those the contradict the claim of Hillary's people)...
There's not an accusation made in the article that isn't attributed to sources!...
The headline of the Insight article speaks for itself.. "Hillary's team has questions about Obama's background"..
"Questions" are NOT accusations... No matter what you goofballs claim to the contrary...
You think Insight's sourcing was thin?.... Or even fabricated?... Fine.. Got proof?... Make the point and support it... (NOTE: CJR made no such effort with the ridiculous Memogate story that eventually put Dan Rather to pasture).
I'm no fan of Insight, in general...
However, the fact that you don't like Rev. Moon, or the Washington Times, or Christians, or Republicans, or ANYONE... Does NOT give you the right to libel anyone.. (or to argue an infantile "guilt by association" premise, as Mr. McLeary has done).
And libel is what Mr. McLeary has done here.. He has falsely accused a specific person of printing a false accusation...
WHERE ARE THE EDITORS AT CJR?...
Posted by padikiller on Tue 30 Jan 2007 at 12:12 PM
That would even remotely qualify as libel (neither would Insight's article at first glance).
I'm not the least biased against Christians, thank you.
And the most that was ever proved about CBS was that they didn't prove the notes were legit (which is grounds enough for criticizing them). It was never proven they were fake, much as some conservatives insist otherwise.
I will admit that since Bush's draft dodging was well established before Rathergate, it's possible I'm softer on CBS than I should be.
Posted by Shadow32 on Tue 30 Jan 2007 at 01:23 PM
Caterpillar knows best! Don't argue with him. He'll make threats against you... then claim not to have made them.
The only nutjob here is Pottycooler.
Posted by Stecxjo on Tue 30 Jan 2007 at 03:24 PM
Shadow32 Wrote
the most that was ever proved about CBS was that they didn't prove the notes were legit (which is grounds enough for criticizing them). It was never proven they were fake, much as some conservatives insist otherwise.
padikiller scoffs
RIGHT..
You keep telling yourself that over and over...
The fraudulent "1970" TANG memos were drafted in the DEFAULT settings of MS WORD... (Times New Roman font-default margins, size, spacing).
I bet the Texas Air National Guard had oodles of PC's loaded with MS Word in 1970..
Posted by padikiller on Tue 30 Jan 2007 at 03:28 PM
Excuse the long cut and paste but this is from an email from Mary Mapes- producer of Dan Rather's story- to Glenn Greenwald posted on his blog Jan. 7 2007. I suggest people read the whole letter.
"In your posting, you make reference to Dan Rather's use of "fraudulent documents." Those documents have never been proved "fraudulent," even after a months-long multi-million dollar investigation led by a Bush administration-friendly panel that tried mightily to prove the blogger pack right.
Why do you think the Bush administration never pursued an investigation into what the rightwing blogosphere deemed "forgery"? Don't you find that odd? It would seem to me that if there was a forgery, that would be legally actionable. In fact, if someone forged documents, then President Bush is owed a full investigation and a chance to right a great wrong. I support that completely. You know, early on, there were cries from angry Republicans in Congress for a formal investigation, but the Bush administration demurred. That's too bad, but then I believe the Bush people don't want anyone examining the record or the memos too closely. They know what a legitimate investigation would find.
I hate to go over this stuff again, because I am tired of it. But here goes... our primary reasoning behind running the documents was that the public had a right to see them. Our intense investigation of the documents showed that they accurately reflected the minute and unreported details of Bush's record, the content of the documents was confirmed by key people in a position to know what actions Lt. Col. Jerry Killian had taken with regard to Bush and the memos confirmed the reports we got from many people within the National Guard about the reality of Bush's service as well as the division within the Guard leadership as to how his case should be handled. Further, we had the support of two veteran document and signature analysts who said they saw nothing in the papers to indicate they were fraudulent.
Our report was not aired in an irresponsible anti-Bush frenzy. This was just plain old shoe leather reporting, the result of interviews and analysis that took place over the course of years.
I am not a document analyst. I don't know "kerning" from corn on the cob. But unlike the right wing bloggers, I don't pretend to. I am a reporter. I deal in facts, interviews, differing versions of events, content, context and historical record."
There is much more. Make your own judgements.
Posted by Matt on Tue 30 Jan 2007 at 04:25 PM
Matt Quotes Mary Mapes, who was also shit-canned for her pre-election Memogate hatchet job:
Those documents have never been proved "fraudulent,"...
padikiller responds
Like HELL they haven't!...
The fraudulent "1970" TANG memos were drafted in the DEFAULT settings of MS WORD... (Times New Roman font-default margins, size, spacing).
READ THIS LITTLE BIT OF REALITY OVER AND EVER AGAIN UNTIL YOUR LIPS STOP MOVING....
The fraudulent "1970" TANG memos were drafted in the DEFAULT settings of MS WORD... (Times New Roman font-default margins, size, spacing).
The fraudulent "1970" TANG memos were drafted in the DEFAULT settings of MS WORD... (Times New Roman font-default margins, size, spacing).
The fraudulent "1970" TANG memos were drafted in the DEFAULT settings of MS WORD... (Times New Roman font-default margins, size, spacing).
KEEP ON READING... WHEN YOU ABSORB THIS REALITY, WE'LL HAVE NOTHING TO DEBATE HERE...
Of COURSE MAry Mapes will never admit that it has been "proven" that the silly memos were fakes... SHE is the one RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM!... That's like O.J. claiming that Nicole's true killer roams free...
The fact that some daft fruitcakes refuse to accept the reality that the memos have been proven to fakes... Does NOT alter the reality...
There are a TON of liberal whack jobs who claim that it was never "proven" that airplanes hit the Twin Towers or the Pentagon..
If you have trouble reading the reality as I have typed it... Just look at the graphic of the "1970 TANG" memo superimposed over a copy made with the DEFAULT settings of MS WORD 2000!...
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=12615&only
Posted by padikiller on Tue 30 Jan 2007 at 04:44 PM
Padikiller's gone off the deep end. But the deep end of what?
Posted by Stecxjo on Tue 30 Jan 2007 at 05:46 PM
I mean, after all, Padikiller is making the case for the opposing view here. If he's certain that the TANG documents were forgeries and that there was shoddy journalism on the side of CBS (apparently so), then having those documents in hand helped prove that.
Where is the report the Insightmag had its hands on? Where is the scrutiny? Show the report and let the investigation begin.... but until that is seen, Insightmag and Kuhner deserve the smear award.
And as the caterpillar likes to remark, using the caps key, I suppose, they deserve our opprobrium....PERIOD.
Although I think FULL STOP has more of a ring to it.
Posted by Stecxjo on Tue 30 Jan 2007 at 05:56 PM
You can go on and on about your MS Word. The truth is that the story was true. Bush did not fulfill his National Guard service. The last 2 years of his service are blown off, and thats being kind about it. Google the AWOL Project for in depth analysis with said documents, they provide links to actual documents. Go down the rabbit hole if you wish. I believe within several hours of the story it was amazingly analyzed and deemed fraudulent by a poster on a rightwing blog. Despite looking at copies of copies he was able to notice descrepancies that professional documenters/analysts with several days of research would be proud of. Again go to Awol Project. Do I really need to list all the recent falsehoods by LGF and Malkin?
Posted by Matt on Tue 30 Jan 2007 at 05:59 PM
Matt Wrote
You can go on and on about your MS Word. The truth is that the story was true
padikiller notes
Ah Yes!...
"Fake, But Accurate..."
The new standard of "professional journalsim" forged by liberals!...
Posted by padikiller on Tue 30 Jan 2007 at 06:03 PM
Let's Try This Again
The fraudulent "1970" TANG memos were drafted in the DEFAULT settings of MS WORD... (Times New Roman font-default margins, size, spacing).
The fraudulent "1970" TANG memos were drafted in the DEFAULT settings of MS WORD... (Times New Roman font-default margins, size, spacing).
The fraudulent "1970" TANG memos were drafted in the DEFAULT settings of MS WORD... (Times New Roman font-default margins, size, spacing).
The fraudulent "1970" TANG memos were drafted in the DEFAULT settings of MS WORD... (Times New Roman font-default margins, size, spacing).
The fraudulent "1970" TANG memos were drafted in the DEFAULT settings of MS WORD... (Times New Roman font-default margins, size, spacing).
The fraudulent "1970" TANG memos were drafted in the DEFAULT settings of MS WORD... (Times New Roman font-default margins, size, spacing).
The fraudulent "1970" TANG memos were drafted in the DEFAULT settings of MS WORD... (Times New Roman font-default margins, size, spacing).
The fraudulent "1970" TANG memos were drafted in the DEFAULT settings of MS WORD... (Times New Roman font-default margins, size, spacing).
The fraudulent "1970" TANG memos were drafted in the DEFAULT settings of MS WORD... (Times New Roman font-default margins, size, spacing).
Posted by padikiller on Tue 30 Jan 2007 at 06:05 PM
I realize that Padi has become a mindless contrarian. But some of his accepted "facts" from right blogs need to be disputed. The right blogs continue to promote the idea that they proved Rather used fraudulent documents. I believe that Bush's records were tampered with. The documents do seem to be fakes but also replete with the truth (Wikipedia has a large post on this, some analysts state it is impossible to determine authenticity from copies of copies, others seem to prove docs are fake it becomes incredibly nuanced- a rabbit hole). Someone with intimate knowledge of his record provided the documents. I came to the conclusion (you are welcome to your own), after hours of reading, that Bush failed his obligations and that his TANG records were tampered with by persons intimately familiar with his history.
Posted by Matt on Tue 30 Jan 2007 at 06:22 PM
Padi isn't mindless, Matt. Gutless, but not mindless. He's a blowhard and one-track and if he threatens you, just remind him that he's a caterpillar with very little hope of ever becoming a butterfly.
He is not mindless, but his mind is not a very useful mind and adds little to any discussion.
Posted by Stecxjo on Tue 30 Jan 2007 at 07:20 PM
I dont believe many of the right blogs and their readers are interested in the truth. They are looking to prove their worldviews correct, even if it means cognitive dissonance. Malkin and Padi previously were apopletic with rage in their complaints about anonymous sources and Iraqi stringers in Iraq reporting. Here Mclearly is criticixing a report in which not only is the source anonymous the actual reporter is as well. In the secound paragraph McLearly explains the report was supposedly "leaked by researchers connected to Sen. Clinton". Padi jumps through hoops to defend the indefensible- the drudge report refused to link to report. Insight had to email report to Fox news to get the echo chamber going. I think that says it all.
From same NYT article"And in an interview, John Moody, a senior vice president at Fox News, said its commentators had erred by citing the Clinton-Obama report. “The hosts violated one of our general rules, which is know what you are talking about,” Mr. Moody said. “They reported information from a publication whose accuracy we didn’t know.”
But whatever you do dont quote someone saying 4 mosques were destroyed in a day of mayhem and violence when only one was and the rest badly damaged.
Posted by Matt on Tue 30 Jan 2007 at 08:33 PM