SO: Yeah, I would have. The Iraq war is one of the most important issues of our time, so I think it’s the obligation and the responsibility of the media to tackle every aspect of the war and to hear from all of the voices involved. I think truly we need more debates, not less, in the media in general, and certainly around the Iraq war.
PM: In covering the antiwar movement, and antiwar veterans of the Iraq war, how do you think the mainstream media has dealt with the issue of dissent, if at all?
SO: There have been individual instances of fantastic reporting of the antiwar movement, of Iraq war veterans who oppose the war, Iraq war veterans who support to war - there’s been some good reporting across the board. On the other hand I heard Paul Rieckhoff (an Iraq vet who now opposes the war) talk at the Media Reform Conference in Memphis last weekend, and he gave a searing indictment of the mainstream media. He said that he and other Iraq war veterans had been betrayed by the media in its lack of ability to cover the legitimate questions raised by the antiwar movement properly. That was his analysis.
PM: Anything else you’d like to add about the case, and your involvement in it?
SO: The case cuts right to the heart of a couple First amendment issues. It’s the journalist’s job to report the news and not to participate in government prosecution of political speech. It’s very important to preserve the press as a place to which all perspectives have access. I think that testifying, or the issuance of these subpoenas, erodes the necessary separation between the press and the government, and it threatens to turn journalists in to the investigative arm of the government.
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Sarah Olson Wrote
I believe that when you are seen -- rightly or wrongly -- as collaborating with the government in a prosecution, it sends a message to anybody who is considering talking to me that "Talk to me and you'll go to jail."
padikiller responds
"Collaborating?!"..
How about "cooperating"?....
One "collaberates" with the enemy... NOT with one's OWN GOVERNMENT!.... Ms. Olson's choice of words sure does show which side of the political spectrum she favors..
However...
She is right about the "message" that goes out to criminals when journalists are called to testify against them... The "message" is that criminals who want to dupe the "professional journalists" of the MSM into soapboxing for them WILL GO TO JAIL...
And that the "professional journalists" who use these criminal sources risk being called to testify, just as any other witness would...
Where exactly is there an "ethical" problem here?...
HUH?...
Sarah Olson continues
It's the journalist's job to report the news and not to participate in government prosecution of political speech.
padikiller responds
I have some news for you...
Allowing yourself to be used as a tool to let some disgruntled soldier spill his guts is NOT "reporting the news"... It is instead blind parroting of an ideology...
You admit that the soldier's failure to adhere to the terms of his service is "something that I don't think has been covered well"... Because YOU HAVEN'T COVERED IT WELL..
This is clearly an admission of one-sided coverage, and it seems silly for you to whine about "ethics" when, from the the get-go, you admit to biased reporting...
People in glass houses should put down the rocks....
If your source can't endure the verification of his story in the form of testimony on the witness stand... Then there is something wrong with his story and you need to ditch him...
Sarah Olson wrote
I think that testifying, or the issuance of these subpoenas, erodes the necessary separation between the press and the government, and it threatens to turn journalists in to the investigative arm of the government.
padikiller responds
This is just silly...
The very first right enumerated in the Bill of Rights prevents such an agency...
The REAL danger in your desire to hold reporters above the law is that the internal biases and corruption in the press could, if unchecked, abet criminal behavioror or influence political processes...
Any journalist needs to understand the price of flaunting the law... Just like lawyers do... Just like EVERYONE does... If the information a source provides can't survive scrutiny in court... Then it isn't fit to print...
PERIOD...
Posted by padikiller on Sat 20 Jan 2007 at 12:36 PM
I think he who supposedly murders pads should become a part of the "MSM" and try it for a while. See how much of his conservative, paper-bashing ethos survives the experience.
It'd be different if he were more libertarian about it.
Posted by jdorsey on Sun 21 Jan 2007 at 01:56 PM
jdorsey wrote (paraphrasing):
Blah, blah, blah,... padikiller wouldn't make it in the MSM... blah, blah, blah... I don't like padikiller's political stance... blah, blah, blah... I don't have anything substantial to say about his comments, but that padikiller really pisses me off... blah, blah, blah... Libertarians should be allowed to make the points padikiller makes, but not conservatives-because I say so... blah, blah, blah...
padikiller responds
Jdorsey's rant is a typical liberal debate tactic...
Ignore the point and attack the motive of the opponent..
Posted by padikiller on Mon 22 Jan 2007 at 01:01 PM
I take offense because I'm not a liberal. I'm a libertarian. But other than that, yeah, attack you, not your points. I don't care about your opinion -- I care about you trolling because McLeary did ... something. He must've done something. Most trolls go away after a while.
Posted by jdorsey on Tue 23 Jan 2007 at 12:27 PM
Reporting a person's side of the story is not parroting. The ideal of journalism is to report both sides of the story and let the reader decide what their own opinon is armed with all the available information you can give them.
Your latching on to words and reducing their definition to what you believe they should be disturbes me, Pad. One also collaborates with collegues to achieve great things for society. You're twisting the language to make an invalid point.
"The "message" is that criminals who want to dupe the "professional journalists" of the MSM into soapboxing for them WILL GO TO JAIL." Who's decides that they're criminals, Pad? You're falling prey to the very bias that seems to upset you so much. If they aren't guilty, they wouldn't have been accused, right? There are whistleblowers and political activists that have done great favors for society at great personal risk. Journalists (in the ideal even you seem to subscribe to) should be neutral. It's difficult if not impossible to do so when put on a stand to testify. This man is unlikely to deny what he told the papers. A confirmation of what she reported is easily taken care of in writing. It's far more likely that they have something else they want than just the verification of the story.
I've read a little about this case and there is definitely room to engender more debate. But the question of the matter truly is: Is this war legal?
The contract you sign with the military says that you will obey the "lawful orders" of your superiors. Though rarely exersized, it requires a military member to use judgement when obeying orders. That way you don't have the "I was obeying orders" defences of the post WW2 warcrime trials.
A military member risks a lot to stand up against what he believes is an unlawful order. We're not trained lawyers and in many cases the definition of the law is hazy at best. So you go with your conscience and roll the dice hoping that you're doing the right thing.
Reguardless of whether you believe this man is in the right or the wrong, he is exibiting a great deal of bravery to have taken a stand and stick with his guns on it. There's a lot at risk for him.
Posted by AhmNee on Tue 23 Jan 2007 at 05:06 PM
AhnNee Wrote:
Reporting a person's side of the story is not parroting. The ideal of journalism is to report both sides of the story and let the reader decide what their own opinon is armed with all the available information you can give them.
padikiller responds
My point exactly...
Ms. Olson admitted that the other "side" of this story... the fact that the disgruntled soldier reneged on his sworn obligation to follow orders... has not been reported well...
So what we are left with here is simply ONE side of the story... Or "parroting"....
AhmNee wrote:
The "message" is that criminals who want to dupe the "professional journalists" of the MSM into soapboxing for them WILL GO TO JAIL." Who's decides that they're criminals, Pad?
padikiller responds:
Courts of law do.... After hearing testimony of witnesses who may be compelled to testify by subpoena... That's called J-U-S-T-I-C-E...
AhmNee wrote:
There are whistleblowers and political activists that have done great favors for society at great personal risk.
padikiller responds
Of course there are... That's why Congress and the state legislatures have passed laws giving whistleblowers special protection... But even whistlesblowers are subject to subpoena...
What is the relevance here?... How does whistleblower protection give reporters the right to elude subpoenas?...
But the question of the matter truly is: Is this war legal?
This is a silly question... President Bush was authorized to send troops by an Act of Congress... Of COURSE the war itself is lawful....
It is not up to a soldier to decide policy... He may (and MUST) ignore an unlawful order.... And he can raise this defense in his court martial...
But he cannot determine policy....
AhnNee wrote:
Reguardless of whether you believe this man is in the right or the wrong, he is exibiting a great deal of bravery to have taken a stand and stick with his guns on it. There's a lot at risk for him.
padikiller responds
Perhaps... Or perhaps the man is just a coward or a fame-seeker... His motives are known only to him...
The POINT is that the man has some axe to grind... And Ms. Olson has a duty, in covering his story, to address the other side of the debate... A duty she admitted to neglecting...
This is journalistic malpractice, plain and simple...
Posted by padikiller on Wed 24 Jan 2007 at 07:07 PM
Jdorsey wrote:
I don't care about your opinion -- I care about you trolling because McLeary did ... something. He must've done something.
padikiller responds
Jdorsey is just a typical liber[al]tarian bully... A true "troll" indeed- with nothing substantial to add to the debate at all...
My comment made no mention of Paul McLeary whatsoever...
A fact obviously unknown to this froot loop....
Posted by padikiller on Wed 24 Jan 2007 at 07:12 PM