This weekend saw the release of “State of Denial,” Bob Woodward’s latest book in an on-going portrait of the Bush Administration and the planning of the Iraq war. Accompanied by front-page coverage at the New York Times, an exclusive interview on 60-minutes, and a two-day serialization in the Washington Post, Woodward has gained attention for his stern rebuke of the President and his top advisers. On Saturday, the White House got into the mix, issuing a press release that disputed Woodward’s claims of infighting, indecisiveness, and ignorance.
Afterwards, bloggers set out to enlarge the spin-zone with a flurry of discussion and debate.
“This is what happens when a court turns on its king: the court stenographer dutifully turns right along with them and then tells the whole world about it,”writes Kevin Drum at Political Animal. “That’s why I’ve never held Bob Woodward’s role against him. We need to have at least one court stenographer around so the rest of us know what the court is thinking, and Woodward is as good a choice as anyone.”
After watching Woodward’s appearance on 60 minutes, one observer bemoaned the influence of a longstanding left-wing adversary on the current administration.
Notes Sharon Cobb, “One of the most frightening revelations from the interview last night was Henry Kissinger is a close advisor to Bush and Cheney and that Kissinger is trying to sell the Iraq war the way he tried to sell the Vietnam war. Kissinger has always believed that America left Vietnam too soon, and that we could have somehow won there if we had stayed. Fast forward 35 years and now we know why Bush keeps saying ‘We’re going to stay the course,’ and ‘We’re not going to cut and run.’ Apparently Dr. Henry Kissinger is Bush and Cheney’s muse.”
While some liberal bloggers saw Woodward’s criticisms as both un-revelatory and overdue, one centrist pundit saw considerable value in their conclusions.
“The White House and GOP chose to start hammering home the themes of national security, how the country can’t afford (or by implication physically survive) a Democratic Congressional victory, and coupled all this with an attempt to link up Iraq to the war on terror,” observes the Moderate Voice. “This was their choice to put it on the table. Woodward’s book now calls into question the administration’s competency, professionalism (professional policy makers coolly look at all options and try to pick the most effective, which may not be the one they necessarily want), and outright honesty.”
Others, however, saw the book as raising more questions about its author than its subject.
“In the end, I suspect that what we will learn from the State of Denial is a great deal about Bob Woodward,”argues Red State. “But maybe not so much about the Bush administration over the last few years. One thing that has become painfully apparent in academia over the past two decades is the perils of forcing the facts to fit your theory—a methodology that has imperiled the social sciences as any number of historical objects, events and texts have been appropriated to fit modern criteria.”
For another blogger, there remains no doubt about whom the book’s caustic title best describes.
“…Don’t get me wrong,” writes Back Talk. “Woodward has every right to gaze into his crystal ball and predict the worst in the year to come. And I don’t really blame him for joining the likes Richard Clarke and Joseph Wilson in trying to make a buck off of Bush Derangement Syndrome. But I think it’s fair to say that on the question of who is being misleading, it is Bob Woodward, not George Bush.”

Six weeks before the election...
That's when the "professional journalists" come forward with their slime...
Until the blogosphere came to be... the press had carte blanche...
Who knows how many times the press has been able to disrupt the democratic process?...
Well, it just won't work anymore... It didn't work for Dan Rather, and it won't work for Bob Woodward..
Posted by padikiller on Mon 2 Oct 2006 at 02:13 PM
Padikiller,
It's palpably false that the press had "carte blanche" to "disrupt" democracy prior to the messianic advent of the internet. The primary source of information about the government has always been the government itself, and the government is scarcely a disinterested source. For someone fond of calling "bias!", you are entirely silent about the sources with the most overt and undeniable motive to mislead.
And regardless of the timing of the news, isn't the crucial issue whether the news is true or not? If it's "slime", please, do tell us how Andy Card and Colin Powell are lying leftists.
Posted by MRooney on Mon 2 Oct 2006 at 03:38 PM
MRooney wrote: The primary source of information about the government has always been the government itself, and the government is scarcely a disinterested source. For someone fond of calling "bias!", you are entirely silent about the sources with the most overt and undeniable motive to mislead.
And regardless of the timing of the news, isn't the crucial issue whether the news is true or not?
padikiller responds: OF COURSE the government should be investigated and held to account... But the attacks of "professional journalism" are completely one-sided...
Furthermore, the timing of these hatchet jobs is not irrelevant, as you imply it to be.
Did you see the press ask Sen. Kerry to explain the mythological trip to Cambodia he claimed (on the Senate floor) to have made during the Nixon administraion in 1968? (Nixon wasn't inaugurated until '69, BTW)
Did you see the press ask Kerry about the TWO supposed Boston Marathons he claimed to have run?
Did you see the press hammer Kerry on his Jewish heritage just before the election (as CJR does in describing the "blockbuster" story of Sen. Allen's Jewish heritage)?..
Mark Warner, a possible Dem nominee for the presidency in 2008, lost track of $136 million while governor of Virginia.... Yet WHERE is the press?...
Dan Rather lost his job for his role in propounding a ridicuoulsly amateurish pre-election hatchet job...
Where are these little pre-election suprise articles against liberal candidates?...
Posted by padikiller on Mon 2 Oct 2006 at 04:11 PM
Padikiller,
I agree that the timing of the release of information isn't irrelevant to considering potential bias. (As in, to bring up items you never mention, the timing of terror alerts or the timing of the recent legislation on prisoners in the war on terror.) I never implied otherwise. I merely said it isn't the crucial issue. If a claim is true, it's worth paying attention to. E.g., the discovery that Mark Foley is a would-be pedophile may indeed be timed conveniently for Democrats. But the overriding issue is the truth of the story, not its timing. Bringing up the timing is not enough to cast doubt on the truth of a claim.
Which brings me back to the issue: do you have any substantive evidence to back up your dismissal of Woodward's book as a "hatchet job"?
Posted by MRooney on Mon 2 Oct 2006 at 04:49 PM
MRooney wrote:
I agree that the timing of the release of information isn't irrelevant to considering potential bias. (As in, to bring up items you never mention, the timing of terror alerts or the timing of the recent legislation on prisoners in the war on terror.)
padikiller responds
Perhaps the reason I "never mentioned" the timing of legislation or terror alerts...
Is because we are talking about the bias of the PRESS here...
NOT the government!....
The last time I checked... Bob Woodward doesn't send out terror alerts or propose legislation...
Nice try... But I'm not falling for your dodge!....
MRooney wrote:
[D]o you have any substantive evidence to back up your dismissal of Woodward's book as a "hatchet job"?
padikiller responds:
I don't have to, because the White House has already done it!... The link in the article from the White House seems to do it pretty well..
It looks to me like the "Five Myths" of Bob Woodward are refuted in an utterly devastating manner with irrefutable evidence...
Have you read the White House's rebuttal?....
Posted by padikiller on Mon 2 Oct 2006 at 05:56 PM
MRooney wrote:
If a claim is true, it's worth paying attention to
padikiller responds:
LOL!...
THAT IS THE STANDARD OF "PROFESSIONAL JOURNALISM"??!!
What a HOOT!...
"TRUE" claims bear reporting, you say?!...
Like maybe the fact that Sen. Bobby Byrd is former Klan terrorist who filibustered against the Civil Rights act?... That little diddy of a truth is all over the news of his 2006 reeelection campaign, right? Just like the press is all over Allen over the "macaca" incident, right?...
Mark Warner, undeclared Dem candidate for Prez in 2008 lost track of $136 MILLION while he was governor of Virgnia!... And the national press is all over it like white on rice, huh?.... Can't open a paper without reading about it!
John Kerry's little Cambodian "secret mission" cap is back out of the drawer as he begins his presidential rerun... And the press is bugging him to death over the details, isn't it?...
Ted Kennedy is just sick with remorse over the "accidental" Chappaquidik death of his girlfriend... And the Boston Globe is inhis face pressing him every day to come clean about it, right?...
Sen Clinton spent more time looking for the subpoenaed billing records from the Rose Law firm than we have been at war with Iraq, and the Washington Post just won't let go of her until Bob Woodward gets a decent explanation, right?...
GIVE ME A BREAK!
Posted by padikiller on Mon 2 Oct 2006 at 06:14 PM
Padikiller,
I'm not the one dodging the issue. You started this discussion by making the claim that Woodward's book is "slime" and, later, a "hatchet job". You have not backed up the claim, instead offering a litany of irrelevancies to obscure the poverty of your argument.
Your only evidence? "I don't have to, because the White House has already done it!"
This is a perfect example of the incoherence (or hypocrisy) of your position. On the one hand, you regard claims that conflict with your political views (such as Woodward's) with annihilating skepticism. But on the other hand, you uncritically attach yourself to claims that support your politics (such as the White House's) with the enthusiasm of an unneutered dog.
You actually take the White House's denials of its own incompetence at face value? I'd "laugh out loud" -- if I thought it funny to see someone enthralled to his ideology. I suppose you believe that the U.S. never bombed Cambodia, that tobacco doesn't cause cancer, and that Barry Bonds thought it was flaxseed oil, too.
Posted by MRooney on Tue 3 Oct 2006 at 12:17 PM
MRooney wrote:
I'm not the one dodging the issue.... ...You actually take the White House's denials of its own incompetence at face value?
padikiller responds:
ANOTHER DODGE!...
Here is what I wrote...
"It looks to me like the "Five Myths" of Bob Woodward are refuted in an utterly devastating manner with irrefutable evidence...
Have you read the White House's rebuttal?...."
Now I repeat myself...
HAVE YOUR READ THE EVIDENCE THE WHITE HOUSE OFFERS TO REBUT WOODWARD'S CLAIMS?
Well, have you?...
The evidence against at least some of Woodward's claims looks pretty ironclad to me!...
Your attempt to twist my words is typical of true "professional journalism".. I have not, as you claim, taken anything at "face value"..
Instead, I have investigated BOTH SIDES of the matter INDEPENDENTLY and find the White House's rebuttal to be convincing...
Maybe you shoud READ IT and then get back to us...
Posted by padikiller on Tue 3 Oct 2006 at 12:47 PM
Padikiller,
I suppose I should resort to capital letters and bold print, but I'll demur:
You're the one making the claim. You have the responsibility to back it up. Don't weasel or dodge by alluding to some unproduced "ironclad" rebuttal. Present the passages of Woodward's book (if you've read it), and present the counter-argument by the Administration. The burden of proof is squarely on you, not me. Put up or shut up.
Posted by MRooney on Tue 3 Oct 2006 at 01:06 PM
MRooney wrote:
Present the passages of Woodward's book (if you've read it), and present the counter-argument by the Administration. The burden of proof is squarely on you, not me. Put up or shut up.
padikiller responds
For Pete's sake!...
Five of Woodward's accusations and the White House's counter-arguments are posted in the link to which THIS article refers!
HERE IS THE LINK AGAIN
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/09/20060930-5.html
CLICK! READ! COMPREHEND!... ...THEN POST!
Posted by padikiller on Tue 3 Oct 2006 at 02:48 PM
Padikiller,
So, all you have to back up your claim is the White House press release (and yet another feeble ad hominem jibe). To use an example you'll grasp: if I claimed that the Clintons did nothing wrong in Whitewater, and I cited a Clinton press release as an "utterly devastating", "irrefutable", "ironclad" proof, you'd doubtless tangle your fingers over the bold, all caps "LOL"s. There's no good reason to take the White House's word for it: they obviously have motive to lie in abundance. That you fail to grasp this simple point (which, as I've mentioned already, you do not hesitate to apply to those you disagree with) indicates that you are either an imbecile or an irrational ideologue.
The White House press release itself is transparently weak. Let's look at its five points:
1. It offers the President's meaninglessly vague boilerplate about "struggle and sacrifice" as a counter to Woodward's claim that the President's speech ignored a May 24 intelligence report. No specifics of Woodward's book are included, so it's impossible to judge if this is a refutation of anything.
2. The release claims the Administration didn't ignore Bremer's requests for more troops. The quotes included are the best this release does at refuting -- but again, no specifics are given from Woodward's book, so we can't tell if this is plausible. To a great extent, it sounds like a distinction without a difference: "we didn't ignore his request, we just rejected it."
3. The third "myth" -- that Rice brushed off Tenet and Black's July 10 warning -- isn't even denied. All the release says is that it doesn't fit with Tenet's testimony to the 9/11 commission. But as of this morning, Rice's office has admitted she did in fact meet with Tenet and Black on that day, and their 9/11 Commission testimony did mention (in passing) that meeting.
4. and 5. Abizaid, Card, and Barbara Bush all deny saying the things they said to Woodward. (Well, Card admits he did say it, but not in that "climate" -- whatever that evasion means.) Golly gee! A general, a former retainer, and the President's mom all say they would never question the President's judgment. That's "irrefutable" proof! Gee whiz! While we're at it, let's ask Babs whether H.W. ever had any affairs, I bet we'll get the unvarnished truth that way for sure! It's "ironclad"!
At this point, padikiller, I conclude you are just a hypocritical boob incapable of rational discussion. Help yourself to the last word.
Posted by MRooney on Tue 3 Oct 2006 at 06:18 PM
MRooney wrote:
At this point, padikiller, I conclude you are just a hypocritical boob incapable of rational discussion. Help yourself to the last word.
padikiller responds:
Well...
I won't respond in kind, by name-calling.. Ad hominem is a markedly liberal tactic... And I'lee leave it so...
However... I will note the following....
You say: "The White House press release itself is transparently weak... ...No specifics of Woodward's book are included, so it's impossible to judge if this is a refutation of anything."
LOL! This is an obvious sign that you have NO idea what Woodward wrote!... It is "impossible" to tell.... Because you HAVEN'T read it!...
What do we have here in the White House's rebuttal?...
We have Paul Bremer on the record last January DENYING Woodwards claim that Bremer's request for troops was "ignored"..
PERIOD.. THAT'S ALL SHE WROTE!...
Bremer plainly said that his request "was considered"!
What more evidence do you need?..
You have Gen. Abizaid DENYING Woodward's claim that he badmouthed Rumsfeld...
PERIOD...
Slam Dunk!...
You can't just gloss over the reality here...
You have the First Lady of the United States DENYING Woodwrd's claim that she wanted Rumsfeld fired...
PERIOD...
Honestly, MRooney. your juvenile little hissy-fit is very telling...
Your defense of Woodward is that... Everyone but Woodward is lying...
Laura Bush is a liar... George Bush is a liar... Paul Bremer is liar.. Gen. Abizaid is a liar... Andy Card is liar... Condi is a liar.... Tony Snow is liar.... Gen. Pace is a liar... Donald Rumsfeld is liar....
"Liar, liar, pants on fire"....
THAT is all you have to prop up Woodward's pre-election hatchet job...
Posted by padikiller on Wed 4 Oct 2006 at 08:41 AM