Ingram posits a similar straw man, that someone supposedly is saying, “That simply because your content happens to be supported by advertising, that it can’t be of high quality.”

But of course no one says that.

The question, as I said, twice, isn’t whether a structure requires something, but does it encourage the thing? And while we’re dueling, my argument might be bogus, but it is not, strictly speaking, a logical fallacy, “a failure in reasoning that renders an argument invalid.” The reasoning is all too valid; that’s the problem. Free online is driven by volume.

And citing, as Ingram does, Huffington Post and The Washington Post absolutely does not invalidate the reasoning.

First, WaPo the newspaper, with its free online model, is a huge money loser, subsidized by other parts of the business. So whatever quality it is still able to produce in no way can be attributed to the free model. It comes in spite of it.

Rather, the paper and its declining journalistic and financial fortunes is a cautionary tale, a living example of the dangers of clinging to the mast of free. For more, read Ryan’s “The Washington Post Co.’s Self-Destructive Course,” a deconstruction of the Post’s free news strategy.

Put a third way, if Clay Shirky—Mr. Here Comes Everybody himself—says the Post, “should turn to their most loyal readers for income, via a digital subscription service of the sort the Times has implemented,” that should at least give free-news advocates pause. The Shirky case is nuanced, but there it is.

And, because HuffPo laudably does some great longform and investigations, that doesn’t mean that volume-based incentives of its free model don’t exist. It means it’s doing this work in spite of its model. As I said in my post, “Low High-volume low-quality isn’t inevitable under the free structure, but the model’s incentives run in that direction.”

So, what is the quality argument for choosing it, particularly at a regional newspaper today?

(And Ken Doctor makes a detailed case that even the financial argument—forget the journalism argument—is dubious at best over the long term for Advance in New Orleans.)

Mathew now points to Talking Points Memo’s membership system as preferable to a paywall. I’d say that asking for money to pay for additional content seems like a paywall by another name. But even if it’s different, this is another vote against free news and for charging readers. Indeed, Josh Marshall says he needs to charge so the site can do in-depth work.

This is one of the big reasons we’re doing Prime. We’d love to publish those [long] pieces. And we know there are a lot of our core readers who’d love to read them. But the economics of our company is based on reports that get lots of readers. If we spend a month or two producing a 10k or 15k word mini-book and we put it up on TPM and a few thousand people read it, that’s a big problem for us. So Prime is about setting up a business model within our larger business model that allows us to do something like TPM Singles. We don’t want to not do those pieces just because they probably can’t generate the mass audience that will pay for them with display advertising.

Again, under the pay model, that makes sense.

I think Mathew has a fair point when he says that at newspapers, ads have traditionally carried the revenue load. It’s true, as he says, that “[f] or the most part, advertising has paid the freight for journalism for decades, just as it does online…” and that “…newspapers have always been driven in part by a desire for advertising revenue, even if they charged a small fee to readers.”

But that’s just it: it’s a new day. I’m suggesting the mix needs to change.

Relatedly, Jim Brady offers a spirited defense of the journalism produced by the all-free Journal-Register Company against a pointed takedown of by the Awl.

Dean Starkman Dean Starkman runs The Audit, CJR's business section, and is the author of The Watchdog That Didn't Bark: The Financial Crisis and the Disappearance of Investigative Journalism (Columbia University Press, January 2014).

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