The Hill is good to notice a small but potentially significant change in lawmakers’ attitudes toward Pentagon spending: a “growing number of centrist Democrats” appear willing to consider cuts to the usually sacrosanct defense budget.
That’s a good catch. It’s also a good reminder of how little press attention the massive Pentagon budget really gets.
As we noted back when President Obama released his budget, the jaw-dropping $708 billion he requested for the Defense Department—an amount so large it came as a pleasant surprise to defense contractors—didn’t get near enough attention. Nor did the president’s decision to exempt military spending from his proposed budget freeze.
Without more coverage of where all that money is going—what’s working well, what’s wasted—it’s hard for lawmakers to look for places to trim, especially when jobs back home are on the line.
And we’ve got to come to terms with the fact that this is a job the press really needs to do, because the Pentagon seems particularly bad at monitoring itself.
A couple of weeks ago the Sustainable Defense Task Force, a coalition of liberal and conservative defense thinkers brought together by Rep. Barney Frank, released its own report identifying some $960 billion in spending cuts over the next ten years. The details are interesting, and deserve more attention than they got. But this bit is downright alarming:
One area of reform with consequences for all others is financial management. Today, DoD is one of only a few federal agencies that cannot pass, nor even stand for, the test of an independent auditor. Among this handful of errant agencies, DoD is both the worst offender and the most consistent. The DoD Inspector General has found that the weaknesses in DoD’s financial system “affect the safeguarding of assets, proper use of funds, and impair the prevention and identification of fraud, waste, and abuse.” The Acting Inspector General of the United States concurs, adding that these weaknesses “adversely affect the reliability of DOD’s financial data” as well as “the economy, efficiency, and effectiveness of its operations.”
What these failings mean is that DoD cannot accurately track its assets, nor cost them out. As one analyst summarizes the problem, “Because the Pentagon cannot link financial inputs (appropriations) to results, managers cannot consistently and reliably identify what their weapons, forces, and policies are now costing, will cost in the future, or even what they really cost in the past.”
Huge defense budgets. Ineffective oversight. And lawmakers so worried about needing to appear serious about cutting the deficit that some 200,000 people a week aren’t going to get their unemployment checks. But the defense budget can’t get a good going-over?
The Hill sees signs that the grim deficit picture is getting some Blue Dogs to change their mind:
Liberal Democrats for years have called for cuts to the massive defense budget to no avail. Even after Democrats regained control of Congress in 2007, their few attempts at reining in defense spending have proven futile, partly because of opposition from centrist Democrats hawkish on defense issues.
Now that opposition is softening amid rising concern about the nation’s fiscal future and the fact that defense makes up more than half the country’s discretionary spending.
The story quotes Rep. Walt Minnick (D-Idaho), who says that when it comes to cutting spending, “nothing can be off the table,” and says that attitude “is increasingly becoming the dominant view of the Blue Dogs.”
The piece would be strengthened with a few more Blue Dogs who see things that way. Instead, it quotes Rep. Jason Altmire (D-Pa.), who doesn’t seem ready to look at the defense budget for places to trim. (Instead, he wants to look at social programs.)
But the story provides a lot of other context that suggests that something really may be changing. Defense Secretary Robert Gates got a lot of good press last month for his plan to cut weapons systems, red tape and healthcare costs worth about $100 billion. Frank’s task force released its proposals. The chairman of the House defense appropriations subcommittee thinks his panel will end up with a bill that spends less than the president requested.

The Hill is good to notice a small but potentially significant change in lawmakers’ attitudes toward Pentagon spending: a “growing number of centrist Democrats” appear willing to consider cuts to the usually sacrosanct defense budget
CJR’s talking point on the budget issue seems to be butter = good and guns = bad. After all, every single article on the deficit commission has been little more than a thinly veiled hot piece on the members or their assumptions. The well worn left wing talking points that cuts to entitlements will automatically lead to seniors eating cat food and starving children while fat warmongering generals drive around in their billion dollar toys. Don’t get me wrong, the DOD could certainly retain a very high level of competency with a combination of streamlining, budget cuts and more effective project management on big ticket procurement items (of which I have some experience).
Something tells me you have one of those “wouldn’t it be great if schools got all the money they wanted and the Air Force had to hold bake sales” bumper stickers on your car. Funny thing though, schools do have a nearly bottomless budget.
#1 Posted by Mike H, CJR on Thu 24 Jun 2010 at 05:31 PM
For some perspective on the defense budget.
The United States, with about 4% of the world's population, accounts for more than 50% of the world's military spending.
In other words, the United States spends more than every other country in the world . . . combined. Is that really necessary? Do we really need to spend enough to fight every other country in the world at once?
By the way. I don't have one of those "wouldn't it be great if schools got all the money they wanted and the Air Force had to hold bake sales", bumper stickers. Also, my children's school certainly doesn't have a bottomless budget. I'm just trying to bring some perspective on spending.
#2 Posted by Ron R, CJR on Thu 24 Jun 2010 at 07:31 PM
This is a good article and great news, despite what people who claim education (which costs 63.7 billion in spending and $96.8 billion in one time stimulus
http://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/budget/index.html ) is a bottomless pit in comparison to the 708 billion dollar military. That's, at most, 23% of a bottomless pit for those you can use a calculator.
#3 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Fri 25 Jun 2010 at 05:04 PM
despite what people who claim education (which costs 63.7 billion in spending and $96.8 billion in one time stimulus) is a bottomless pit in comparison to the 708 billion dollar military
Wow, you WERE right! Thats nothing ... unless, of course, we count local spending
as well.
#4 Posted by Mike h, CJR on Fri 25 Jun 2010 at 07:34 PM
Yeah, but that's the thing, we're talking about federal spending not municipal or state spending.
If going to lump in local expenditures (which are allocated by local government, which is their prerogative if they decide to set education a priority, which mean its not your business unless you live there) with federal debt (which is non-local, which everybody owes, and therefore everyone should have a say whether they value military waste versus education) fine. Using real numbers, not right wing hack numbers, to calculate local and state expenditures on public schools:
http://www.census.gov/govs/estimate/index.html
you get these figures from 2007 (and the figures have only dropped since the 2008 crash, so this is a peak measure)
Elementary & secondary
State
$8.3 billion
Local
$527 billion
Federal in 2007
$63 billion.
The big cost is municipal which is mainly going towards salaries, but that cost has risen about 4 to 5% percent a year, a couple of percent above inflation. That's to be expected when you employ professionals over a long term. You can pay a burger flipper minimum wage + inflation per hour and he will stick on the job. Teachers are professionals, just like CEO's, lawyers, brokers, and doctors.
They aren't esteemed as much as those professions, nobody seems to begrudge the doctor with the big house and the yacht - and his fees and treatment costs are the ones killing the long term fiscal health of the country - but teachers getting decent salaries for performing a professional service are somehow okay to attack.
#5 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Sat 26 Jun 2010 at 03:01 PM
Man, the 2 link filter sucks. Sorry about the repeated comments which will show up soon. Back to the message:
That's not to say that the system doesn't need change and reform.
Stuff like this:
http://www.rubberroommovie.com/
is stupid.
There's a lot of money wasted on entertainment masked as education (ie: football programs that dominate school budgets when the school itself is falling apart from holes in the roof and the educational materials are from the 80's). Teachers salaries should be rewarded based on relative student performance (measured by classes with similar demographics) and substandard teachers should be dismissed.
The educational culture needs to be encouraged (delayed gratification, self achievement leading to self fulfillment) and needs to be contrasted with consumer culture (instant gratification, self indulgence leading to self obsession).
Hell, nutritious school lunches made with real food would be a positive step.
But making general complaints about bloated school budgets and bureaucracy because of your belief in the simple slash and burn solution to every social problem isn't smart.
And using education bloat to try and pivot away from the real bloat of the military (which got twice as much salary boost and lost actual billions in money in Iraq and has been found to use overpriced mercenaries who tend to murder civilians by accident since the mercs are above the law) - the same military that lost 2.3 trillion and can't account for a quarter of what it spends (and this was before the GWOT)
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml you're going to put teachers and their unions in the same category as the guys who
who will spend 4.5 billion on a single aircraft carrier that costs 160 million to run annually and will cost 750 million to decommission?
Tell me that's the best way to spend federal money. Tell me that an ocean liner for multi-billion dollar stealth bombers is a better use of federal money than decent school materials and facilities, never mind scholarships for all qualified citizens like all the Europeans manage to do with their universities.
#6 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Sat 26 Jun 2010 at 03:21 PM
Using real numbers, not right wing hack numbers, to calculate local and state expenditures on public schools:
Numbers don’t lie … those “right wing hack numbers” included post secondary education as well, the census numbers did not.
The big cost is municipal which is mainly going towards salaries, but that cost has risen about 4 to 5% percent a year, a couple of percent above inflation. That's to be expected when you employ professionals over a long term.
These “professionals” have had salary/benefit increases that have outpaced both inflation and that of their private sector counterparts (and lets not even start on the compensation disparagement between public and private school teachers), I wouldn’t call that expected.
Teachers are professionals, just like CEO's, lawyers, brokers, and doctors.
They are really nothing like that. Private sector worker compensation is determined by market forces, the teachers union have jumped into bed with democrat politicians and have been able to coerce their extra benefits from the public.
They aren't esteemed as much as those professions,
I wouldn’t say that
(funny how journalist and union boss is at the bottom of that pile, on a side note, I am surprised accountant is so low).
nobody seems to begrudge the doctor with the big house and the yacht - and his fees and treatment costs are the ones killing the long term fiscal health of the country - but teachers getting decent salaries for performing a professional service are somehow okay to attack.
Teachers don’t have to go to school that cost $100,000’s and work at unpaid internships for 12 years to ply their trades. The skills that doctors possess are in far shorter supply than teachers. You really want to argue this?
There's a lot of money wasted on entertainment masked as education (ie: football programs that dominate school budgets when the school itself is falling apart from holes in the roof and the educational materials are from the 80's).
Arte you really trying to argue that school athletic programs are more responsible for shortfalls in education budgets than annual contractually obligated pay increases of 6-8% for staff? Whatever.
Teachers salaries should be rewarded based on relative student performance (measured by classes with similar demographics) and substandard teachers should be dismissed.
No disagreement there.
And using education bloat to try and pivot away from the real bloat of the military (which got twice as much salary boost
Are you seriously going to compare military personnel pay with teachers? It may be better now, but considering there are orders of magnitude in difference in personal risk and professional responsibilities I doubt this is a comparison you could seriously make.
Tell me that's the best way to spend federal money.
The best way is the legal way, which is the only way. While the constitution specifically mentions expenditures for armies and navies, they don’t have much to say about school lunch programs and universal preschool.
#7 Posted by Mike H, CJR on Mon 28 Jun 2010 at 11:06 AM
"Numbers don’t lie … those “right wing hack numbers” included post secondary education as well, the census numbers did not."
That's because we're talking about mandatory public education, not the hodge podge mix of private-public colleges and universities which are influenced by market economics and not a mandate to attend. Your initial big government link was concerned with public k12 education and how we need less teachers in that system.
"These “professionals” have had salary/benefit increases that have outpaced both inflation and that of their private sector counterparts (and lets not even start on the compensation disparagement between public and private school teachers), I wouldn’t call that expected."
And average of private sector counterparts. The burger flippers saw their wages go down. Professionals saw their wages go up. I don't know of many people who get into public school teaching for the money and I know a few who've left it for the same or higher pay, but without the stress of dealing with broken down classrooms in a mismanaged system.
"I wouldn’t say that (funny how journalist and union boss is at the bottom of that pile, on a side note, I am surprised accountant is so low)."
Esteemed by the measure of how certain people would not accuse them of getting more compensation than their profession deserves.
In 2007, nobody argued people like Jake Desanitis didn't earn his money and he got to keep it even as AIG became the event horizon for global credit. The government bailed out, and continues to bail out these pricks in spit of the fact that:
http://www.alternet.org/economy/133627/aig_exec_whines_about_public_anger,_and_now_we're_supposed_to_pity_him_yeah,_right/
"Only a person with a habitually overinflated sense of self-worth could think he deserves a $700,000 retention bonus, even if it has to be paid by taxpayers, when in reality no one "deserves" that much money. It may be that some people do get paid that much, but most people who make that much money have enough sense to realize their cushy lifestyles are an accident of fate, of birth, of class, not something that is "supported" by some unwritten natural law of compensation.
Hey Jake, it's not like you were curing cancer. You were a fucking commodities trader. Thanks to a completely insane, horribly skewed set of societal values that puts a premium on greed and severely undervalues selflessness, communal spirit and intellectualism -- values that make millionaires out of people like you and leave teachers and nurses, the people who raise your kids and clean your parents' bedpans, comparatively penniless -- you made a lot of money."
The right wing argued that these fine folks should get their bonus, because of the sanctity of contracts and stuff, while at the very same time arguing unions like automotive workers and teachers should get their contracts broken and cut.
Sanctity is and obscene salaries without question is for big people, even when those salaries are taxpayer financed by inauditable institutions like the Fed.
No. it's lesser people and their unions who get blasted for waste and sloth.
"Teachers don’t have to go to school that cost $100,000’s and work at unpaid internships for 12 years to ply their trades. The skills that doctors possess are in far shorter supply than teachers. You really want to argue this?"
Teachers aren't in the position to bankrupt the country through exponential health care cost increases. Doctors and the medical industry are, That is the future bottomless pit by all serious projections.
"Arte you really trying to argue that school athletic programs are more responsible for shortfalls in education budgets than annual contractually obligated pay increases of 6
#8 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 28 Jun 2010 at 03:27 PM
Esteemed by the measure of how certain people would not accuse them of getting more compensation than their profession deserves.
So esteemed = highly paid? That’s an interesting definition. Very Chomskyesque: if you want to associate an overtly negative/positive term to something that doesn’t easily apply, change the definition of that term and begin there. You learn quickly I see.
In 2007, nobody argued people like Jake Desanitis didn't earn his money and he got to keep it even as AIG became the event horizon for global credit. The government bailed out, and continues to bail out these pricks in spit of the fact that:
Hmmm.. you say that “nobody argued people like Jake Desantis didn't earn his money” and then you post a link to an article whose point was precisely that Jake Desanitis didn't earn his money …. I love self contradicting statements!
The right wing argued that these fine folks should get their bonus, because of the sanctity of contracts and stuff, while at the very same time arguing unions like automotive workers and teachers should get their contracts broken and cut.
Do you have some specific right winger in mind or is this just more generic demagoging?
Teachers aren't in the position to bankrupt the country through exponential health care cost increases. Doctors and the medical industry are, That is the future bottomless pit by all serious projections.
Teachers aren’t in a positing to bankrupt the Federal Government, but as the budget crisis in State and Local governments demonstrates, they (and the rest of the AFSCME monkeys) are in an excellent position to bankrupt them! And is doctor pay really one of the main drivers of skyrocketing health care costs? I had always thought that since physicians represents about 20 percent of total national health spending, with nearly half of this going to their practice cost and malpractice insurance, high physician pay really didn’t rank up there as a significant cost driver.
What it means is that, if the nation needs to control it's budget, it's going to have to make a decision about whether it can afford the mobilization of the world's most expensive army, prolonged wars, and extra territorial bases. It seems odd to start off with school teachers.
It means if the nation needs to control its budget (which according to the newest liberal argument dejour “deficits dont matter”) it goes after the biggest line item expenditures. For the federal government that means Social Security and HHS and for local governments it means education.
The national school lunch program is a federal program. I suppose the supreme court will declare it unconstitutional any day now.
Since the SCOTUS finally recognized the second amendment as an individual right (amazing that there was even a question if an amendment in the Bill of Rights applied to individuals) anything is possible.
I am going to pop in John Lennon’s imagine and think about such a world for a while! Exhilarating!
#9 Posted by Mike H, CJR on Mon 28 Jun 2010 at 04:23 PM
"So esteemed = highly paid? That’s an interesting definition. Very Chomskyesque: if you want to associate an overtly negative/positive term to something that doesn’t easily apply, change the definition of that term and begin there. You learn quickly I see."
Okay, now you're being a douche. I didn't say prestiged since prestige is disconnected from salary, in fact from your link prestige is attached to jobs which are high in social, but low in monetary value.
I didn't say highly paid because, compared to other professions, teachers are paid about average.
I said esteemed because when someone who is highly paid is not esteemed, people get angry at the unjustified worth of the job. The very simple formula or an esteemed job is this:
What one is paid
There's no literature on the subject. It's not a term associated with scholarly papers defining its precise meaning with accompanying data. Its a term I coined in the context of our conversation.
"Hmmm.. you say that “nobody argued people like Jake Desantis didn't earn his money” and then you post a link to an article whose point was precisely that Jake Desanitis didn't earn his money …. I love self contradicting statements!"
Before AIG imploded, nobody complained about the pampered lives these executives treated themselves to. Any attempt to address the rampant inequality was attacked as vulgar class warfare. Note I said 2007, when AIG's problems were just beginning to show.
"Do you have some specific right winger in mind or is this just more generic demagoging?"
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/economy/split-emerging-between-conservative-media-and-gop-leadership-on-aig-mess/
http://mediamatters.org/research/200903180001
I could put deSantis and others in here but there's that CJR two link issue. Hell I can put people like Tim Geithner and Larry Summers in here since they were the ones responsible for watering down Dodd's amendment to prohibit taxpayer money going to this. Either way, think back. It wasn't that long ago.
"Teachers aren’t in a positing to bankrupt the Federal Government, but as the budget crisis in State and Local governments demonstrates, they (and the rest of the AFSCME monkeys) are in an excellent position to bankrupt them!"
Boy the union is quite a chew toy to some people. Keep gnashing.
"And is doctor pay really one of the main drivers of skyrocketing health care costs? "
Yes, when doctors are in systems which pay per treatment, and have different scales for different treatments, you get doctors over prescribing plumb treatments which puts a heavy fiscal load on the whole nation.
In systems where doctors are paid a salary, like Mayo, you get cheaper and better quality medicine. Have you read the old Atul Gawande article I've posted several times in the past?
"It means if the nation needs to control its budget (which according to the newest liberal argument dejour “deficits dont matter”) it goes after the biggest line item expenditures. For the federal government that means Social Security and HHS and for local governments it means education."
Don't be an idiot. Liberals have not been saying deficits don't matter, that's a conservative line when surpluses are high and times are good. What smart economists have been saying is that there are times for the federal government to spend and there are times to save. When the economy is falling, unemployment around double digits, and interest rates are zero, you can't cut spending.
The government doesn't save money when it provokes economic contraction which depresses income.
This is a specific response to a specific problem, not a general at
#10 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 28 Jun 2010 at 09:04 PM
Ooooo html. You are my bane sometimes.The < sign wiped out my formula. What it should have read was:
"The very simple formula or an esteemed job is this:
What one is paid <= What one should be paid"
Oh well.
#11 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 29 Jun 2010 at 12:07 PM