It’s seriously grating to see an Eton and Oxford-educated ambassador’s son who works for the Council on Foreign Relations rant about Obama’s “populist” attack on private equity.
That’s Sebastian Mallaby, who takes to the Financial Times to defend Mitt Romney and Bain Capital’s honor, as well as the honor of the private-equity industry at large. Here’s the top:
Having hit the rich with the promise of a Buffett tax, the Obama campaign is rolling out its next populist gimmick: an attack on private equity. A series of lurid campaign commercials goes after Mitt Romney for his record at Bain Capital, a company that, in the advert’s telling, behaves like a “vampire”. “They came in and sucked the life out of us,” a steel worker says in the first commercial. “It was like watching an old friend bleed to death,” says another.
Never mind the emotional manipulation; the ad is factually wayward. In 1993, when Bain bought the steel plant in the commercial, it was a saviour: in the absence of a buyer, the plant would have closed. Bain provided a transfusion of $100m to update the plant’s machinery - it was a blood bank, not a vampire - and its investment succeeded for a time. Only in 2001, two years after Mr Romney had left Bain Capital, did the plant succumb to foreign competition and go bust.
It’s Mallaby who is factually wayward. He fails to mention private-equity critics’ major beef with Bain’s behavior here: It borrowed scads of money against GS Technologies (the company referred to in the ad) to ensure its own profit—at the expense of GST.
The big problem with private-equity is when firms make profits off companies that go bust, particularly when those profits directly contribute to the companies going under.
Bain bought control of GST for $8 million in 1993. Within months, it had borrowed $61 million to pay off shareholders. Bain itself got most of that—$36 million—more than quadrupling its initial investment (though it would later put about half of this back into the company to acquire another one).
Mallaby insists GST was in serious trouble when Bain and its partners purchased it. So it makes it even more problematic that Bain & Co. et al. (UPDATE: I referred clumsily to Bain Capital and GE Capital here since “Bain & Co.” is the name of Bain’s original consulting firm, which is a separate company) put GST in more trouble by levering the firm up to pay Mitt Romney et al. a dividend.
If you own a struggling business and you’re not a leech, you don’t use cashflow for special dividends that could be used to pay down debt or to reinvest in the business. That’s why it’s so egregious that the Washington Post Company has handed shareholders more than a billion dollars in the last four years even while its namesake business collapses. The New York Times Company, by contrast, has suspended its dividend, which is what responsible companies do when facing a life-threatening rough patch.
GST had very little debt when Bain purchased it in 1993, according to SEC filings. By the end of Bain’s first year of ownership, it had roughly sextupled GST’s annual interest payments. Within three years, and after borrowing to merge with another company, GST’s interest payments had exploded, up 27 times more than the pre-Bain era, while revenue was just 2.3 times 1993 levels and operating profits quadrupled.
GST’s outstanding debt rose from $13.2 million when Bain acquired it in 1993 to $385 million in 1996, and the company went from paying $1.6 million a year in interest to paying $42 million. Taxpayers would eventually get stuck with $44 million pension tab when the company filed for bankruptcy.
So it’s misleading for Mallaby to claim that “Bain provided a transfusion of $100m to update the plant’s machinery - it was a blood bank, not a vampire.” Bain didn’t provide anything. Bain’s banks did. Bain loaded that $100 million onto GST’s balance sheet. It didn’t put its own capital into the company, and it had nothing at risk. It had already paid itself back big time for its original, puny $8 million equity investment.
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Clearly, you don't know the financial industry . . .
The problem with many journalists today . .
write well but know nothing/no experience in the subject matter
Retired VP Citigroup
Dr. Mano Appapillai
#1 Posted by mano, CJR on Sat 26 May 2012 at 11:27 AM
Ryan blithered:
The big problem with private-equity is when firms make profits off companies that go bust, particularly when those profits directly contribute to the companies going under."
padikiller responds: Right!
You wan't somebody to take over a troubled company without making money!... Without lending the company money!
GOTCHA!.
What juvenile, collectivist tripe!
Dude... Did it ever occur to you that the REASON these companies get purchased by private equity firms is that NOBODY WILL LEND THEM ANY MONEY?!
You think?
These companies are already "going under" when the private firms step in.
THEY NEED CASH!
If Bain and its partners had not stepped in, the steel mill would have shut down 15 years before it did.
The unions killed GST, not Bain. That's just how it is.
#2 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Sat 26 May 2012 at 03:24 PM
Chittum seems to be the obligatory Marxist for CJR, not that that is a bad thing, or that there is a shortage of such types at CJR. Like all Marxists, and certainly most journalists, he doesn't know what he doesn't know about finance and/or economics, IMHO.
#3 Posted by Dr. Ed Franks, CJR on Sun 27 May 2012 at 03:50 AM
"Dude... Did it ever occur to you that the REASON these companies get purchased by private equity firms is that NOBODY WILL LEND THEM ANY MONEY?!"
These companies get purchased by private equity because they are public companies who have shares for sale and are vulnerable to takeover.
We've seen this movie.
The problem is, private equity doesn't purchase using their money, they put up 8 million of their own bucks, they purchase with borrowed money that gets stuck on the purchased person's (corporations are people, no) balance sheet, 67 million of the 75 million bucks it cost to purchase the thing.
Then they offload the pension costs onto the federal government, issue debt to pay dividends and consulting fees, and pay a 15% tax rate on these capital gains to boot.
So the entity might have collapsed anyways without Bain's PE, but that's not what we're asking in this case. What were asking is whether parasite capitalism help or hurt the entity that was destroyed.
The answer is pretty clear, it seems. It hurt, because Bain was way too busy helping themselves.
"Chittum seems to be the obligatory Marxist for CJR, not that that is a bad thing,"
You sir seem not to know what a marxist is or what you're talking about when it comes to finance or economics. It appears you're an idiot, not that that is a bad thing,
I imagine you'll do well in the padikiller crowd.
#4 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Sun 27 May 2012 at 08:23 PM
To Thimbles, any transaction resulting in a profit is "parasite capitalism".
Indeed, Thimbles has plainly stated his belief that doing business is a "criminal activity".
To the Thimbilistic Chittumites, if a company makes money, a crime has occurred. If a company loses money (except for Obama's "green" boondoggles), a crime has occurred.
These screwy leftists (who can no longer be called "commies" under Pravda's,,, er, I mean CJR's comment censorship policy) won't be happy until the Gubmint controls every single financial transaction.
As for Bain... You guys aren't getting it... Private equity firms only step in when COMPANIES CAN'T GET FINANCING.
What part of this reality can't your leftist neurons absorb?
Companies need financing to exist. When they can't get it, they either go under, restructure, or get bought out.
The FACT of the matter (as Ryan's own source acknowledges) is that many analysts believe the UNIONS KILLED GST... Not Bain...
But hey... Why let the mere facts get in they way of toeing the Obama/Leftie line, right?
As for leveraged debt financing.... Warren Buffet just used it to buy Media General.. Is that a "bad" thing? He just "bought" the company for $160 million but also lent the company $400 million at 10.5% interest. Is that a "bad" thing?
If he hadn't done this, Media General would have gone bankrupt, many of its papers would have folded and lots of people would have lost their jobs.
What about Obama's campaign cochair Frederico Pena? He did the same thing, saving tons of jobs at Birdseye, Del Monte and Solo Cup... Is he a "vampire"? HUH?
The daft, screwy lefties are nothing but a bunch of whiny, lazy hypocrites. Liberalism is nothing other than plain envy - if "somebody else" has something they want, then they expect the Gubmint to give it to them.
Diligence, thriftiness, responsibility, and innovation are to be punished in Liberal La La Land, while sloth, extravagance, irresponsibility and complacency are to rewarded.
The success, achievement and good fortune of others is an inspiration to a conservative, but nothing more than an irritation to a liberal.
Yeah... That's a great recipe you liberals have for a happy and productive society, Lefties...
Thankfully, the political writing is on the wall. The Gravy Train has derailed and hopefully we'll see a little sanity in our next administration.
#5 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Sun 27 May 2012 at 10:22 PM
"As for Bain... You guys aren't getting it... Private equity firms only step in when COMPANIES CAN'T GET FINANCING."
No, they step in when there's opportunity. Unfortunately, they step in not only when there's opportunity to build an enterprise and create viable businesses, they also step in when there's opportunity to game the tax system, strip the enterprise, and push all the risks and liabilities they inherited and created onto someone else.
"The FACT of the matter (as Ryan's own source acknowledges) is that many analysts believe the UNIONS KILLED GST"
One in the reuters article - Charles Bradford. List some more if you can.
Other analysts might conclude that underfunding the pension system while sacking the company so it could pay its dividends and Bain consulting fees might have something to do with it. You could also find fault with neoliberal trade policy, strong dollar monetary policy, the high rate of health care inflation, blardy blardy blar... but the fact is GST had 13 million in debt before Bain, and near 400 million after the parasites had drained it.
And bad management from Bain executives who had no idea how to run a steel plant increased their overhead.
The fact of the matter is PE is sold as a way to build value up, but what we see is PE being a way to milk value dry.
#6 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 28 May 2012 at 12:31 PM
And as for villianizing the unions- from the Reuters article :
""Hard work is supposed to pay off," said John Cottrell, who spent decades working with molten metal. White burn marks crisscross his massive forearms, and years of asbestos exposure have left him short of breath. Sitting at his kitchen table in the working class suburb of Independence, he looks a decade older than his 64 years."
And hard work did pay off, for decades. But not these decades:
"After nearly 30 years as a steelworker, Joe Soptic found a job as a school custodian. The $24,000 salary was roughly one-third of his former pay, and the health plan did not cover his wife, Ranae.
When Ranae started losing weight, "I tried to get her to the doctor and she wouldn't go," Soptic said. She ended up in the county hospital with pneumonia, where doctors discovered her advanced lung cancer. She died two weeks later.
Soptic was left with nearly $30,000 in medical bills. He drained a $12,000 savings account and the hospital wrote off the balance.
"I worked hard all my life and played by the rules, and they allowed this to happen," Soptic said."
These decades, parasite work pays. That's not a union's fault, the unions have no political representation.
This is the fruit of the bipartisan, neo-liberal, free market conservative consensus.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/2012/05/27/neoliberalism/
"Consider a middle aged worker living in a factory town in the suburbs of Cincinnati. You were able to work at a local plant and provide more for your family than your own parents were able to provide for you. Thanks to a powerful union, the conditions at your plant were safe, mechanisms were in place to redress grievances, and you earned a living wage. The local community flourished. The neoliberal policy apparatus pushed to remove any structural incentive for corporations to keep the plant going. It closed. Now you are forced to consider shitty jobs with bad benefits, no chance of union representation, and no security of any kind. There are no pensions, only 401(k)s that are subject to the vicissitudes of the market. Your children are unable to find work. The local community has been devastated. For your town, the result has been nothing but bad. Yes, as the neoliberals constantly remind us, you can buy an iPhone if you can afford one. But these material goods do nothing to make you more feel more secure or fulfilled, and don’t help in a culture that (for good or ill) associates a meaningful life with meaningful work.
Neoliberals not only refuse to recognize the human tragedy of all of this, referring to it as “creative destruction” and the necessity of capitalism... They actually insult you for thinking that the situation sucks. They call you fundamentally irrational, nativist, populist, and probably racist. Openly. This is the fundamental political dynamic of our time: working and middle class people have had their working conditions systematically destroyed, and in the face of this, neoliberal elites have reacted with callous disregard. "
It's been near 40 years since labor started bleeding power and you still want to point at it? Not at the guys in suits who've wrecked the economy several times while stealing pensions, looting investments, and buying our politics for personal profit?
Shame.
#7 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 28 May 2012 at 12:48 PM
PS.
"To the Thimbilistic Chittumites, if a company makes money, a crime has occurred."
No, but if a huge crash occurs in a market because 'somehow' the world got wrong information about the risk at work, then you might want to investigate the possibility of crime.
#8 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 28 May 2012 at 02:33 PM
From GS Technologies 1997 10K, it appears that strikes by the steel workers union didn't help matters any;
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/925906/0000950144-98-002571.txt
'During the work stoppage, the Kansas City facility was operated on a
limited basis using salaried employees and contract workers. As a result,
production levels were far below normal levels which had a significant adverse impact on profitability for the second quarter. Combining the volume impact of reduced production with higher costs incurred during the work stoppage and additional expense recorded for improved pension benefits, management estimates that the strike resulted in an impact on pre-tax earnings of $21.9 million.'
And the strike in Georgetown SC, the same year, cost $6.8 million. Neither event could have been helpful.
#9 Posted by Patrick R. Sullivan, CJR on Mon 28 May 2012 at 04:28 PM
Notice the libs doing the Ole' Liberal Two Step!
To reiterate...
Warren Buffet just "bought" Media General for a paltry $160 million... But in doing so he also lent Media General $400 million at 10.5% interest, thereby giving the company the operating capital it needs to stay in business. The (what liberals would call usurious if it weren't Buffet doing it) terms of the loan put Buffet in a what liberals would call a "no-lose" situation - if Media General defaults, Buffett ends up with the lucrative television business. If he doesn't, he makes more than HALF A BILLION DOLLARS IN INTEREST.
Now I ask you leftists again... Is Buffet doing a "bad" thing? HUH?
Because he is doing precisely what Bain did to keep GST's Kansas steel mill going - namely infusing capital into a failing company to keep it running and to make money from it.
If it were Murdoch buying Media General instead of Buffet, on precisely the same terms, you liberal hypocrites would be screaming like banshees. You know you would.
However, I believe that Buffet is making a wise choice, while I am no fan of his stated politics (though he is of course a hypocrite - bitching for tax increases while fighting the IRS to avoid paying them himself). If every single one of the podunk local papers he just "bought" folds in the next 15 years, Buffet will make money. If they succeed, he will make even more money.
And THIS, lefites, is what we call smart business.
#10 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Mon 28 May 2012 at 05:04 PM
Also, the KC mill had a special problem;
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/33356c82-3e05-11e1-ac9b-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1wCSvdD4b
'The Kansas City plant in particular was hit when its local electric plant exploded in 1999, forcing it to buy more expensive power elsewhere. Mark Essig, chief executive of GSI from 1998 to 2002, says that when the group filed for bankruptcy in 2001, Kansas City was the only unprofitable plant.
'“The company had a lot of debt, but that wasn’t the only issue. Dozens of steel companies filed (for bankruptcy protection) at the same time,” he said.'
#11 Posted by Patrick R. Sullivan, CJR on Mon 28 May 2012 at 05:11 PM
Yes, and the reasons for those strikes was the chronic underfunding of pensions, not to mention other aspects of executive mismanagement:
From the Reuters article:
"In 1997, with Armco's pension guarantees set to expire in one year, the United Steelworkers local at the Kansas City plant was worried that GS was not setting aside enough money to cover pension obligations and other benefits in the event of a shutdown.
David Foster, the negotiator for the union, said labor talks were typically more tense at companies owned by private equity firms because the high level of debt left managers with less flexibility.
Contract talks foundered and the union went on strike in April 1997. The first standoff since 1959 quickly turned nasty. Workers shot bottle rockets at security guards, tossed nails in the roadways to flatten the tires of nonunion trucks and pounded on the windows of vehicles as they left the plant.
After 10 weeks, the two sides reached a deal that boosted pensions and ensured that workers would get health and life insurance in the event of a shutdown.
The workers put down their picket signs, but the equipment upgrades weren't delivering productivity gains as quickly as hoped. At the end of 1997, Regelbrugge decided to retire rather than stick around for an IPO that wasn't going to materialize.
Shortly after that, an industry competitor offered "a whole lot of money" to buy GS, according to Regelbrugge, but Bain turned it down. A company insider said the suitor was the global behemoth Mittal Steel Company, but added that no formal offer was ever made."
This is the same Regelbrugge who told Josh Kosman " “a better capitalized GS could have ridden out the currency crisis and been a gold mine.” GS instead filed for bankruptcy in 2001."
What could be the reason for executives not funding their pension plans and yet borrowing to pay dividends? What could be the justification for pushing the social costs of business on to the taxpayers? One could be "Everybody's doing it.
"Executives at 10 companies received approximately $350 million in pay and other benefits in the years leading up to the termination of their companies’ underfunded pension plans. We identified the salaries, bonuses, and benefits provided to small groups of high-ranking executives at these companies. Executives at some companies received salaries in excess of $10 million dollars in the years leading up to bankruptcy. We also found that some executives at these companies received millions of dollars combined in other financial benefits such as income tax reimbursements, retention bonuses, severance packages, split-dollar life insurance, and supplemental retirement plans. Along with financial compensation received, some executives were provided other benefits such as apartments, personal trips on company airplanes and helicopters, club memberships, legal fee reimbursement, and automobiles. We did not attempt to determine whether these benefits were customary."
"In 2005, we found that, of the 100 largest defined benefit pension plans (including many underfunded plans), on average 62.5 percent had received no cash contributions each year from 1995 to 2002. These plans were able to meet minimum funding requirements through the use of accounting credits."
Cont..
#12 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 28 May 2012 at 05:14 PM
Thanks for your totally content-free comments, Mano and Dr. Ed.
Padi-- this isn't hard to understand. If your company makes money, you make money. If it loses money, you lose money. When you load up a struggling company with debt to immediately pay yourself a huge profit, you're looting the company. Period.
Also, it's flat false that "Private equity firms only step in when COMPANIES CAN'T GET FINANCING."
And you're also wrong about Buffett and Media General. He bought most of the company's newspapers, not the whole company.
As far as the unions killing GST, that presumes that management gets no blame for the failure to agree to terms, which is silly. I'd imagine the unions had a legit beef when the company with a company asking for serious givebacks while owners were cashing money out with borrowed money.
And Patrick, that $28 million is less than half the dividend Bain and GE Capital paid themselves four years earlier. With interest payments by the time of the strikes, the price tag for the dividend--paid with borrowed money, remember--would have been something like $80 million.
#13 Posted by Ryan Chittum, CJR on Mon 28 May 2012 at 05:33 PM
But that doesn't get into the 'Why is everybody doing it? And what are these funny accounting credits anyways?' Hiya Ellen!
http://blogs.reuters.com/reuters-money/2011/09/14/retirement-heist-book-asks-who-stole-americas-pensions/
"Schultz details an array of accounting tricks, tax incentives and other ways that companies manipulate plan benefits to serve corporate purposes other than providing retirement security to their workers. These include everything from financing restructuring plans and mergers to goosing bonuses and performance-based management compensation and funding lavish pensions for top executives. Pension assets, Schultz argues, also have been cannibalized to fund retiree health benefits — which in turn also have been shrunk...
“Companies were taking money out of plans throughout the 1990s, and people didn’t initially notice,” Schultz tells Reuters. “The plans looked healthy because the stock market was rising and there were surpluses. Companies started to secretly cut benefits and used a variety of means to reduce the rates of growth in benefits.”..
“I was dumbfounded that these massively overfunded plans were cutting benefits. The changes would be described as improvement or modernization to employees and retirees, but then the companies would tell shareholders that the changes would save money.
“They were referring to an accounting effect — if you reduce future benefits by $200 million, you get to record that as profit. You could look at these IOUs and say, ‘If we cancel or reduce those IOUs, that is a profit.’ That coincided with changes in executive compensation, which was moving toward more performance-based plans. Executives are compensated in stock options and awards that require them to hit profit targets. In some cases they can hit their numbers by cutting benefits.”"
Which may not be soooo grating were the parasites taking cuts with us together, but, of course, they aren't.
"Existing disclosure rules significantly complicate these seemingly straightforward questions because they do not require companies to place a monetary value on the pensions to which executives are entitled. Pay Without Performance, a recent book co-authored by Jesse Fried and one of us, suggests that firms use retirement benefits to provide executives with substantial amounts of “stealth compensation” — compensation not transparent to shareholders – that is largely decoupled from performance. The “camouflage” role of retirement benefits might, in part, explain their heavy use."
Which, if you read more Ellen Shultz, (search "WSJ Excels on Retirement Risk for Execs, Employees" on cjr) you'll find out most of the unfunded parts these pensions are coming from executives, who don't contribute percentages of their income to these funds and yet take the lavish parts of them in retirement, and not from workers, who make their contributions every damn paycheck.
This is the problem with parasite capitalism, you have large separations between the people who do work and the people who manage it. These managers are compensated based on their ability to extract one thing, profit. Unfortunately, these incentives cause them to focus on that one thing, their own profit, to the detriment of the long term future of the company and to its shareholders. PE is just another facet of that "IBGYBG" approach.
#14 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 28 May 2012 at 05:36 PM
A bit of a sad irony when it comes to PE is that state and public pensions have been using PE to supplement their underfunded plans because of falling state contributions (those tax cuts don't pay for themselves!) and so the necessity of public union pensions have led investment managers to fund the erosion of private unions and private pensions:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-23/state-pensions-find-private-equity-bites-as-blackstone-cuts-jobs.html
"Such funds have about $400 billion with private equity, 29 percent of the total, according to Prequin Ltd., a London-based private equity research firm. That’s more than twice what was put in by private pension funds, the next biggest investor.
Public pensions “have been the investors that have really fueled private equity’s rise,” said Steven Davidoff, a professor of law and finance at Ohio State University’s Moritz College of Law in Columbus, Ohio. “For those people who complain about private equity, the money is really coming from pension funds.”
Private equity firms buy companies and seek to trim costs, improve operations, boost profits and resell them. The takeovers are typically financed by debt taken on by the purchased companies...
After the collapse of 1990s Internet bubble left pensions reeling from investment losses, state and local government funds poured money into private equity firms. The financial crisis of 2008 and subsequent recession left U.S. state public pensions $694.2 billion short of having enough assets to pay future benefits by the end of their 2010 budget years, according to data compiled by Bloomberg."
If only these pensions had put their money into bonds, le sigh.
#15 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 28 May 2012 at 06:04 PM
Oh fiddlesticks, I forgot to put "the “camouflage” role of retirement benefits " link in.
http://www.nber.org/papers/w11907.pdf
And while I'm there, I might as well put in the cjr Ellen link:
http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/wsj_excels_on_retirement_risk.php
Forgive the filibuster, I surrender the podium.
#16 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 28 May 2012 at 06:15 PM
OK, Ryan...
You want to play juvenile semantics?
Have it your way:
Warren Buffett just "bought" [most of] Media General's [newspapers and 20% of its TV business] for a paltry $160 million... But in doing so he also lent Media General $400 million at 10.5% interest, thereby giving the company the operating capital it needs to stay in business. The (what liberals would call usurious if it weren't Buffet doing it) terms of the loan put Buffett in a what liberals would call a "no-lose" situation - if Media General defaults, Buffett ends up with the lucrative television business. If he doesn't, he makes more than HALF A BILLION DOLLARS IN INTEREST.
Now I ask you leftists again... Is Buffett doing a "bad" thing? HUH?
OK, Ryan... Semantics are over.
Is Buffett doing a "good" thing? Or a "bad" thing? Cause the FACT of the matter is that he is doing just about EXACTLY the same thing Bain did with GST.
Newspapers are to 2012 as the steel industry was to 1982.
Oh wait! You want to let 15 years pass and then armchair quarterback Buffett's play with the benefit of hindsight, right?
Finally, let's deal with your next bit of semantic whining:
Private equity firms [almost always, at least in the context of leverage takeovers] only step in when COMPANIES CAN'T GET FINANCING."
There. Fixed.
The leftists can dance all they want about the plain reality, but it isn't going anywhere.
What the silly, loonies of the left want is for "somebody else" to make less money than the market will bear. They want the Gubmint to force "somebody else" to bail out failing companies without expecting a return on investment greater than they deem "fair".
It is nothing but pure envy. Conservatives look at a guy like Buffett or Romeny and see inspiration, motivation and opportunity. Liberals see only a target for their greed and laziness. They don't want to emulate behavior that creates wealth, they want the Gubmint to "oppose it" ( a central tenet of Thimbilistic Chittumism). They just want the money without working for it. PERIOD.
A sane approach to advancing any society rewards effort, diligence, creativity, innovation and perseverance. The liberal vision instead rewards idleness, sloth, complacency, stagnation and indiligence. Moochers thrive at the expense of producers.
Explain to me how any such system advances the cause of the human condition and I'll pick up some bongos and meet you at your next OWS Hissy Fit.
Explain to me how any of your daft, screwy, collectivist plans encourage anyone to hire someone else. Explain how they encourage risk in commerce. Explain how they promote innovation. Explain how they encourage personal growth or advancement. Explain how they encourage competition and foster the creation and preservation of wealth.
Good luck, guys!
You lefties have NOTHING... And a WHOLE LOT OF IT.
#17 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Mon 28 May 2012 at 08:49 PM
And another thing, Ryan...
Two commenters who opine that you don't know the first thing about business are not making "content-free" criticism.
They are in fact making a pointed and entirely valid criticism in which I wholeheartedly join. It is plainly apparent that you have never been personally responsible for running any business enterprise in your life. If and when you reach the point in your life where you sign paychecks on each Friday, as I do, you may be in a better position to refute your critics with something other than "nanny nanny boo boo".
You may also gain a least a scintilla of authority in your neverending quest to dictate how other people spend their own money.
Furthermore, one is not "looting" a company by lending it money to stay afloat, despite your silly, nonsensical (and frankly kooky) claim to the contrary. Do you just pull this idiocy out of your wazoo or what? Did you ever study finance? Ever? I mean seriously?
One is also not "looting" a company by demanding a high return in exchange for taking a large risk. This is called ECON 101. I'm surprised that "risk/reward" concept eluded you at your (brief) tenure that the Wall Street Journal.
Spin down the rotors on your Black Helicopter Squadron and deal the with the facts the way they come here in Realityville, Dude.
Not every leveraged buyout works. This one did for 15 years. That's a Hell of an achievement. 15 years of people making wealth.
Companies like Bain and Berkshire keep people working (at least more people than would have been working if the companies had folded).
Stop toeing the line for your Obamessiah and try doing some of that "journalism" thing once in while. Your readers (both of them) will be better served.
#18 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Mon 28 May 2012 at 10:10 PM
Geez, seems like someone's got a problem with dear ol'
dadRyan today."You ain't the boss of me! You don't know nuthin'!"
You tell him Padi. Let it all out.
#19 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 28 May 2012 at 11:41 PM
When a Bain Capital or similar venture company does an LBO on a factory-based business and borrows two or three or six or 20 times the amount of equity it has in the deal and immediately pays the venture fund and its executives more than the venture company put into the deal, that's capitalism, even when the target company defaults and goes BK. Right, Citi guy? Right Pad?
But when a home buyer with little or no income buys a house for big money and a two percent down payment, then HELOCs it two or three times to get the down payment back and buy a jet ski and a boat and two cafe bikes, etc., and then defaults and declares BK, that's
what?
Is it different?
If the homeowner then goes to the government and demands new loan terms to prevent the foreclosure, is that morally improper or is it good business?
If the venture fund does that, or just dumps the obligations (like paying the workers' pensions) on the feds, is it different?
How so?
#20 Posted by Edward Ericson Jr., CJR on Tue 29 May 2012 at 02:45 PM
Yes, Ed... That is indeed capitalism and smart business... And the homeowner who runs to the Gubmint is indeed acting in a smart way. The problem is that our Gubmint has the power to actually give him money, instead of laughing at him, thanks to 80 years of commie nonsense.
You take the Gubmint out of the equation and you are left with healthy transactions in each of your scenarios.
We, as a society, need to protect the treasury from looters. If you had told any of the founders at the Constitutional Convention that someday the federal government would be buying Snickers Bars, Band Aids and mortgages for its citizens, they would have looked at you like you had three heads on your shoulders.
Our nation has taken 80 years of liberal crazy pills and it's time for a detox.
Returning to your hypothetical, the reality, of course, is that not many homeowners in the midst of this "Obama Recovery" (where home values have declined to their lowest values in years) are able to pull off the leverage you describe. And the reality is also that debtors in bankruptcy don't get to keep wads of cash and pleasure boats, either. Indeed, there strict limits on the property debtors can exempt.
But hey! Why let the mere reality get in the way of a liberal crack dream, right?
At any rate, if you can leverage a house, cash out of it and make money... GREAT! What the Hell is wrong with that?
And if you can leverage a business, cash out if and make money... GREAT!
Just like a healthy car is worth more than the sum of the values of its parts, a healthy company is worth more than the sum of its individual assets.
And just as a clunker is worth less than the sum of the value of its parts, an unhealthy company is worth less than the sum of its individual assets.
If I can leverage ownership, bust apart the business and make money, I am doing a GOOD thing. I am transferring ownership of assets to others who value them and will use them to make things or employ people. Just as a junkyard does a GOOD thing when it strips a junk car and sells the parts to people who need them.
In Chittumland, the proper function of a company is to hire as many people as possible, to pay them as much as possible, and to give them free health insurance and air conditioning.
In Realityville, the proper function of a company is to employ the LEAST number of people it must at the LEAST wages it can in order to maximize profits.
The sooner this country ditches the class envy and laziness of liberalism and demands accountability and self-reliance from able-bodied citizens, the better!
#21 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Tue 29 May 2012 at 04:13 PM
'I'd imagine the unions had a legit beef when the company with a company asking for serious givebacks while owners were cashing money out with borrowed money.'
No, since the unions weren't on the hook to pay back the borrowed money. That's the investors problem. If they can't repay their loans they won't be getting any more. I.e. they're out of the business.
There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding here of how private equity firms operate. They are typically limited partnerships. That means that the general partners (like Mitt Romney) have unlimited liability. It's the limited partners that have the protections of limited liability. That's why the LPs pay management fees to the GPS; to compensate them for their greater liability.
Btw, many private equity firms have pension funds as clients, such as CALPERS. The pension funds have done very well over the years using PE. Does Romney get any credit for providing high returns to those pension fund clients?
#22 Posted by Patrick R. Sullivan, CJR on Tue 29 May 2012 at 07:36 PM
"'I'd imagine the unions had a legit beef "
"No, since the unions weren't on the hook to pay back the borrowed money. That's the investors problem. If they can't repay their loans they won't be getting any more. I.e. they're out of the business."
Yeah, unions don't have a legit beef when they're called to sacrifice in order to help the company profit while the executives eat the profits by borrowing to pay themselves. It's the investors' problem if they drive the company under...
Unless the company owes union members, I don't know, pensions?
I'm going to take the David Simon approach and not use the ad hominem.
#23 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 29 May 2012 at 08:56 PM
@ mano, would you be so kind as to enlighten readers here with an explanation of just Ryan Chittum fails to understand, which would render your comment informing and useful rather than just attacking. I'm eager to read your critique to improve my own understanding.
#24 Posted by David Cay Johnston, CJR on Wed 30 May 2012 at 02:16 PM
David Cay Johnston wrote: "@ mano, would you be so kind as to enlighten readers here with an explanation of just Ryan Chittum fails to understand, which would render your comment informing and useful rather than just attacking."
padikiller: What's uninformative about mano's opinion that Ryan doesn't now his subject matter? Or his well-taken point that such a lack of understanding pervades modern journalism?
It's clear that mano is right on both counts.
Anyone who equates lending money money to "looting" (as Ryan does) clearly doesn't have the first clue about finance.
In Chittumland, "somebody else" is supposed to ride in on a white horse and give money to troubled businesses, and these business are supposed to use that money to fund union pensions instead of repaying the lenders or keeping the concern afloat.
In Chittumland, it is right and natural for employees to demand the maximum wages and best benefits.. It is right and natural for consumers to demand the lowest prices and best value... But it is wrong and evil for investors to demand the highest return on their investments.
Silly positions like these demonstrate a plainly naive and ignorant take on the world of finance, as manos points out.
What's not to understand in his critique? What's keeping anyone from using it to improve his or her understanding?
#25 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Wed 30 May 2012 at 04:52 PM
Lemme see if I can repeat this - a junkyard takes a car - maybe working, maybe reparable - and dismantles it - thereby depriving the mechanic of work, and the putative owner of a ride. Tell me again, pad dear, how this comes to be a GOOD thing? It's taken apart, useless as the tool it should be...good thing? Or broken apart wreck with no value? Or did I completely misconstrue that part of your analogy?
#26 Posted by Patricia Boardman, CJR on Wed 30 May 2012 at 08:38 PM
@ Patricia
What I wrote was that the value of a good-running car is more than the sum of the values of its parts, while the value of a clunker is less than the sum of the values of its parts. This is just a common sense truism - car dealers charge more for cars than the sum of the cost of the parts, while junkyards charge more for the parts than they pay for the clunkers.
What you are talking about is an in-between case. We now have a different situation - a car that might be repairable - say, for example, with an engine that is bad, but the rest of the car seems good. In other words, an unknown and potentially risky situation.
In this case you need a smart mechanic to evaluate the cost/benefit of the repair and the risk and potential reward involved. If you decide to risk the repair, you need to find the capital to buy a new engine and to pay to install it. And you need a plan to recover your investment if your new engine doesn't work out - say if the transmission goes bad. You need to maximize your profit if your risk pays off, and you need to minimize your losses if it doesn't.
Just what you do when you leverage a company. You decide whether to put money into it to keep it running, or to scrap it and cash out. If you decide to keep it running, you maximize the return on your investment. If it folds, you minimize your losses.
#27 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Wed 30 May 2012 at 08:58 PM
It appears that no one but no one realizes that the way Bain/Pain
operates is through a criminal mis-use of the bankruptcy laws.
You buy a company that is in good standing, load 100 million dollars
worth of debt on it, take those loans for yourself, bankrupt the company, let the workers get unemployment compensation from Uncle Sam, their retirement accounts may or may not be saved by Uncle Sam as well, but most importantly, the LENDERS take the hindmost and Mitt Romeny is worth 250 million dollars. And the lenders can't complain and sue, can they, because of the bankruptcy laws. So the entire discussion, and a national discussion it has been ever since that low life of low lives,
the one and only Newt, managed to win the South Carolina primary with that line of attack = especially successful in S.C. where our Marmot Carpet Bagger from Michachusetts had left a lot of living wounds.
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#28 Posted by MICHAEL ROLOFF, CJR on Thu 31 May 2012 at 06:18 PM
Leftist Gobbledegook: "You buy a company that is in good standing, load 100 million dollars worth of debt on it"
Realityville Translation: "You buy a company that is deep trouble, and lend it 100 million dollars in a risky effort to keep it going".
#29 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Thu 31 May 2012 at 06:31 PM
I keep hearing the claim that the employees of GS Technologies are better off because of Bain Capital's takeover because the plant stayed open another 15 years or so. (Bain Capital acquired Armco Worldwide Grinding System in 1993 [Sullivan and Rouneliotis of Reuters Jan 6, 2012 "Romney Bain and the $44 million Bailout"] and GS Technologies filed a suspension of duty to report with the SEC on March 23, 2001). Armco agreed in the take over to assume responsibility for the pensions if the plant closed within 5 years after the take over. Instead, Bain Capital liquidated the plant with a handsome profit and left the employees with an underfunded pension fund. (Sullivan and Rouneliotis ibid)
#30 Posted by Dirk Hamlin, CJR on Wed 15 Aug 2012 at 02:18 PM