My Friday post about how reporters are missing a big part of the “fiscal cliff” story—the leverage President Obama and congressional Democrats can gain in the debate over rich people’s taxes by not doing anything until after the New Year—opened by approvingly citing a blog post by Slate’s Matt Yglesias. And I added an update at the end flagging a new Yglesias column that declared, “the Bush tax cuts are toast.”
So I should also flag a Monday post by Bloomberg’s Josh Barro, who delivered some of the sharpest commentary on economic policy over the course of the campaign, and who says that Yglesias is “wrong, wrong, wrong”:
If the fiscal cliff isn’t resolved before the end of the year, House Republicans will pass a tax cut in January—a tax cut that extends the Bush tax cuts in their entirety, including the part for people with high incomes. The Senate will pass one that excludes the high income tax cuts. Then both parties will say they have passed a tax cut bill and are just waiting for the other side to agree to it.
Democrats cannot force Republicans’ hand unless they are more willing than Republicans to let all the Bush tax cuts expire. And they won’t be. A full expiration might well cause a new recession, which would be even more politically damaging for the Barack Obama administration than for congressional Republicans. Congress is already about as unpopular as it can become, and Republicans know they are not going to get their legislative agenda enacted in the next two years anyway. But a new recession would greatly interfere with Obama’s second-term plans.
Democrats will eventually win this fight, Barro says—but only once the economy has improved enough that they can credibly threaten to let all the Bush tax cuts expire. Until then, the GOP has the edge in this game of chicken.
I don’t know who’s right about what which side will prevail in the tax debate if we go over the not-really-a-cliff, though I suspect there’s more uncertainty at play than either Yglesias or Barro acknowledges. And with GOP media elites like Bill Kristol now entertaining the idea of a millionaire’s tax—a proposal that some Democratic senators prefer on the merits to higher rates on households earning $250,000—some sort of post-“cliff” compromise doesn’t seem out of the question. (Yglesias, for his part, responds that “Barro, uncharacteristically, has this all wrong”; his follow-up notes that the so-called “middle-class” portion of the Bush tax cuts—which Democrats want to preserve—delivers substantial benefits to rich people, so it would be perverse for Republicans not to take it.*)
But to bring this back to media criticism—it is, of course, not the job of news reporters on the budget beat to predict the future. Coverage of the fiscal debate on TV and in newspapers, though, has seemed oblivious to the considerations Yglesias and Barro are arguing about. And that makes it very hard to explain what’s really happening.
The “fiscal cliff” is being pitched to readers and viewers as a looming catastrophe, which our elected representatives must confront by putting aside their partisan differences, “showing leadership,” and embracing a long-term budget plan that nobody likes. And who knows? Maybe something like that will happen. But nothing about the objective fiscal situation means it “has” to happen, and the cliff/slope/curb/metaphor of choice doesn’t change that. So it seems more likely this will be the latest inflection point in a running battle over taxes and spending, which won’t be joined in earnest until after Jan. 1.
If that’s the case the next six weeks is mostly posturing, which is kind of a downer from a media perspective—but it means we’re headed for a standoff that could be a pretty fascinating political story. And the sooner reporters start focusing on that story, the better they’ll be able to cover it.
* This sentence has been updated with a new link.
"Obama-era tax cuts"as this is the bill that expires at the end of the year--there are no such thing as"Bush tax cuts"in effect at this time
#1 Posted by clb2012now, CJR on Tue 13 Nov 2012 at 06:21 PM
Dear poor angry American sheep .. As long as you continue to think WE live in a democracy you will almost certainly be disapointed let down looted lied to and ruled over by elected officials who smile out one side of there face while making back room deals with the other and should you entertain the notion of voicing your civil rights our many infamouse multi level law enforcement agency's will almost certainly have you on some watch list as being "One of those" ..Hey people that sucking sound your hearing these day's are whats left of your civil rights going the way of the dodo bird and if you think I'm crazy well you just keep doing exactly what you been doing and when HLS shows up at your door asking you to get on the Bus you just be nice little sheep and step to the back of the bus...
#2 Posted by Roguelement, CJR on Tue 13 Nov 2012 at 08:25 PM
Necessary watching:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46979738/ns/msnbc-up_with_chris_hayes/#49778279
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46979738/ns/msnbc-up_with_chris_hayes/#49778310
#3 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 14 Nov 2012 at 02:20 AM
Boy, Conard's a bit of a tool.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46979738/ns/msnbc-up_with_chris_hayes/#49778380
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46979738/ns/msnbc-up_with_chris_hayes/#49778404
"Yeah we kicked Europe's butt! We invented the internet! By giving money to the rich, we grew our banks to be the biggest in the world!"
Yeah, doofus, and then you lost a decade of growth, because you let a Duncecap cheerleader and his cronies crooks take the reins, and the internet advantage, because other countries used government policies to encourage growth and adoption while America had Comcast Time Warner Cable trusts.
Rich idiots, they live in a whole other world of their own invention.
#4 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 14 Nov 2012 at 02:45 AM
PS. Why do some issues get the "OMG crisis" treatment that a cliff metaphor merits while an actual crisis is left begging for "crisis-level coverage".
"[Y]ou guys know how to cover a crisis. In the weeks and months — nay, years — following 9/11, all sorts of stories made the front pages and homepages and newscasts that never would have been assigned otherwise. The same was true before and after the Iraq invasion, and in the months following the 2008 financial meltdown. In a crisis, the criteria for top news is markedly altered, as long as a story sheds light on the crisis topic. In crisis coverage, there's an assumption that readers want and deserve to know as much as possible. In crisis coverage, you "flood the zone." You shift resources. You make hard choices.
The climate crisis is the biggest story of this, or any, generation — so why the hell aren't you flooding the climate "zone," putting it on the front pages and leading newscasts with it every day? Or even once a week? Why aren't you looking constantly at how the implications of climate change and its impact pervade almost any topic — not just environment and energy stories?"
Aside from a couple of small stories pushed by the usual suspects, NOTHING.
We should not be talking about continuing tax cuts. We should be talking about government spending on new energy and jobs in the light of a closing window of action on THE SYSTEMS FROM WHICH WE DERIVE EXISTENCE.
Jesus Christ.
#5 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 14 Nov 2012 at 04:35 AM
And the public needs to take a boot to Mitch McConnell's head for stuff like this:
http://blogs.courier-journal.com/politics/2012/11/13/senate-minority-leader-mitch-mcconnell-wants-concrete-plan-for-fiscal-crisis-from-president-barack-obama-while-white-house-discusses-path-to-a-deal/
"So let me be clear: when it comes to the great economic challenges of the moment, saying that you want a balanced approach is not a plan. Saying people need to pay their fair share isn’t a plan. The tedious repetition of poll-tested talking points is simply that. And the longer the president uses them as a substitute for leadership, the more difficult it will be to solve our problems.
The president needs to lead. And that means offering a concrete plan that takes into account the fact that half the Congress opposes tax hikes. Not because we’re selfish or stubborn. But because we know it’s the wrong thing to do, because we know it will hurt the economy and destroy jobs."
Except IT WON'T. The reports from the CRS and CBO have said so. History has said so. What will destroy jobs IS AUSTERITY. We cannot afford to have the government contract spending when the economy is weak. Government spending in a recession goes up because of food stamp and unemployment costs. Is that what you're planing to cut? When desperate people are down, is your approach to growth kicking them?
“Think about it: the amount of revenue for which they’re prepared to push us over the fiscal cliff wouldn’t fund the government for a week. So why in the world would we want to do it? What’s the point?"
That insubstantial a number to avoid such a great catastrophe why wouldn't you do it?
Oh yeah... you're republican.
"I’m not asking the president to agree with us on the proper role of government or the dangers of a creeping regulatory state. I’m not asking him to adopt our principles. I’m simply asking him to respect our principles by not insisting that we compromise them. Because we won’t."
Can we get some reporting on republican obstruction and intransigence this time around? The "Both sides are responsible, both sides do it" reporting is NOT MOVING THE COUNTRY FORWARD.
Mitch Goddamn McConnell is the one holding things up, abusing the filibuster, covering the senate process in treacle and regularily holding the country hostage to his stupid, wrong, corrupt, values - values he never seemed to rise to defend under a republican president.
This guy is a saboteur of the political process. Stop treating him as if he was a participant. You would not do this to a democratic senator who's actions locked the government. The political press would be overtly hostile to a democrat defending his values in the face of a republican establishment and the public the republicans claim to represent...
I watched it under Bush.
Report the truth. Republicans are hostage takers and obstructionists. The democrats cannot be blamed for not working with republicans when they cannot be worked with.
Stop pretending they can be. Jesus.
#6 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 14 Nov 2012 at 05:05 AM
I agree with this sentiment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIdQBqstcqY
#7 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 14 Nov 2012 at 05:23 AM
The republicans fail because there's a word for sane republicans, we call them democrats.
And how do we contrast ourselves with sane republicans and remain republican?
http://coreyrobin.com/2012/11/07/conservatism-is-dead-because-it-lives/
"Conservatism is dead because it lives. It has triumphed. It may lose elections, but its basic assumptions, going back to the reaction against the New Deal, now govern both parties. The economist John Quiggin calls it Zombie Economics, and it has never seemed a more appropriate metaphor. The dead walk among us. They are us."
If you want to vote for democrat democrats, you're going to have to insist on it during the primaries and you're going to have to make the argument that principle matters more than campaign finance.
Obama won by spending a billion dollars, and he may just wreck the new deal before the new year.
Yay victory?
Ps.
http://www.eschatonblog.com/2012/11/to-cut-deficit-well-begin-by-cutting.html
Republican, Democrat, and especially bipartisans don't care about fixing finances, they want to fix their finances out of your piggy banks.
Ben Bernanke coined the fiscal cliff phrase, he of "we've got to take money out of social security because that's where the money is". That should be a hint of where the priorities lie, guys.
#8 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 14 Nov 2012 at 10:52 AM
http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.ca/2012/11/public-perceptions-of-freshwater-macro.html
"Cato scholar and Forbes writer Timothy B. Lee is hardly what you'd call a liberal. Nevertheless, he's written a scathing column on conservatives' "Reality Problem". He mentions Nate Silver denialism, climate change denialism, and evolution denialism, but this part especially caught my eye:
On macroeconomics, a broad spectrum of economists, ranging from John Maynard Keynes to Milton Friedman, supports the basic premise that recessions are caused by shortfalls in aggregate demand. Economists across the political spectrum agree that the government ought to take action counteract major aggregate demand shortfalls. There is, of course, a lot of disagreement about the details. Friedman argued that the Fed should be responsible for macroeconomic stabilization, while Keynes emphasized deficit spending.
But rather than engaging this debate, a growing number of conservatives have rejected the mainstream economic framework altogether, arguing—against the views of libertarian economists like Friedman and F.A. Hayek—that neither Congress nor the Fed has a responsibility to counteract sharp falls in nominal incomes.
Basically, Lee is saying that freshwater (or "New Classical") macro is essentially a political shibboleth - an intellectual excuse for conservatives to oppose government action, rather than a serious attempt to model economic reality."
The reality.
Everybody should know that this emphasis on government austerity and deficits is insanity at this time.
But, if we are going to consider austerity, the least destructive implementation is the expiry of the tax cuts which did not exist during the Clinton boom and did little but increase inequality and economic instability during the Bush bust.
We have to increase government spending and programs - not raise eligibilities, cut services, and implode the tax base.
Anyone who says different is not of our universe economically speaking. They are in Dreamville, Unrealityworld.
#9 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Sat 17 Nov 2012 at 05:02 PM
Austerity doesn't work in a recession.
Your Bowles Simpson plans are flawed.
The euro 'cut our way to confidence' plans are wrong.
Will it take another chart to convince you?
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/11/16/business/World-Production-Stagnates.html
The fiscal cliff should not be getting discussed AT ALL. The governments, all the governments, need to focus on spending, not on cuts especially tax cuts.
It will be grossly irresponsible if the hostage negotiations allow the tax cuts to stand while cutting what is desperately needed - spending.
Press, you've got to pick up the ball on this.
#10 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Sun 18 Nov 2012 at 04:31 AM