B y 2009, the Post-Dispatch’s “Talk of the Day” column had been around for five years, and some at the paper were wondering whether it had run its course. Every weekday, more or less, the paper would pose a question to readers—“Why did Sarah Palin resign?”, for instance, or “Where did you play as a kid—and not tell your mom about?”—who would respond in comments. But the comments were often rude, or intemperate. Although readers seemed to enjoy “Talk of the Day,” the feature often seemed to divide rather than unite the Post-Dispatch commenting community.
On November 4, a little more than a week before he called the school, Greenbaum aired his frustrations with the feature in a blog post: “[M]any days, I am sorely tempted to stick a fork in TOTD and say it’s done . Would you miss the Talk of the Day? Do you have any suggestions to breathe life into it? Is it worth continuing? Look, I get that politics is interesting and infinitely debatable, I just don’t think anyone’s really debating here; they’re just name-calling.”
Pretty much every news outlet these days wants to become a place where readers come to debate and converse with one another. But the conversations they hope to foster are predominantly authoritarian in nature, mimicking the one-way dynamic of talk radio rather than the two-way dynamic of friends talking. Talk radio is very popular. A lot of people like it. But there’s nothing authoritative about it. A talk radio host can be stupid, and glib, and abusive, and have no interest in legitimately conversing with or listening to his callers—and his failures will not necessarily result in a diminution of status. His listeners are an audience, not a true community, and they are only indirectly connected with the host and with each other.
Online news outlets today say that they’re trying to build a community, when what they’re really building is a talk radio show. They don’t present an environment where true communities can form—and then they act surprised when these “communities” fail.
In his 2007 book Living on Cybermind, the anthropologist Jonathan Paul Marshall writes about thirteen years in the life of Cybermind, an online mailing list founded in order to “explore, exemplify and discuss the sociology and psychology of cyberspace.” Marshall’s book is perhaps the best longitudinal study of online patterns of interaction that I have seen. The Cybermind community resembles the sort of community that news outlets might like to build—its members were highly intelligent, articulate, and engaged in the world around them. Understanding how and why the listmembers came to trust each other, and to trust the list as a community, might help outlets understand how things work—and why things don’t work—on their own Web sites.
Marshall suggests that we think about online community interactions in terms of the sort of “gift economy” favored by some stateless societies. On Cybermind, each individual message was a gift, and participants attained high status based on their skill at both giving and receiving. A good gift was salient, brief, and didn’t make too many demands on a receiver’s time. An accomplished giver gave their gift with the idea that it was to be received by a community, and with some idea of who would be receiving it. An accomplished receiver didn’t just let a gift sit there unmentioned, but instead acknowledged receipt and, if appropriate, reciprocated with a gift of his own. The most respected members of the Cybermind list were those who were best at this. They became respected for what they said and did, not for who they said they were.

Man, this is pretty deep stuff for such a stupid mistake this Greenbaum guy did. Either way, he got what was coming. I notice just recently he crawled out from underneath his rock and quietly started working again after a two or so month on-line vacation. One other thing, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch has always weighed more on the left than in the middle.
#1 Posted by Steve, CJR on Fri 5 Mar 2010 at 06:25 PM
"The news outlet’s role is to 'sort all these competing perspectives and, for better or for worse, assert the dominant one.”'"
Really? That is why "journalism" is dying. It's stopped being journalism and has become advocacy.
Most of us who consume the news feel the news outlet's role is to "report the news." Stop trying to asset perspectives; if necessary, include and explain them (and give comparable weight to counter-perspectives), but report the facts.
Stop asserting. Start reporting. Or die.
#2 Posted by jeff d, CJR on Mon 8 Mar 2010 at 01:15 PM
Is authority over community standards the issue? Or is it the right to enforce editorial standards?
Five years ago, my office was the work site for a consuling group that was advising the sponsors of a new think tank on issues of the northern plains about locations. My town was on the list because it is central, has higher education institutions, but is remote enough and small enough to offer a compatible environment for study and thought. When the decision was mae, the consultants had quite a list of the town's advantages. At the end of their presentation, they stunned us with the conclusion that the town would be an unsuitable place.
Their main reason was explained with comments from the local newspapers discussion board, comments which were abusive, insulting, and often just plain stupid. The consultants said that the kind of people who work in think tanks would not find an acceptable social environment in our town.
Immediately, the town promoters protested, saying the comments represented only a few individuals, not the attitudes of the community. The consultants said, wrong! The fact that a few people responded to the comments with other abusive and insuling comments rather than simply pointing out the scurrility indicated a community attitude that accepted that kind of discourse, and it indicates the level of thought, attitude, and discourse that is considered acceptable. They pointed out that discussion boards are dominated by people of this nature but that the community gives them assent.
I wonder what they would make of the Post Dispatch comments.
#3 Posted by Ann V, CJR on Mon 8 Mar 2010 at 02:36 PM
Both guys in this story are jerks. I don't think any lessons can be drawn from it.
Newspaper web sites shouldn't let people hide behind anonymity for the same reasons newspapers don't let people hide behind anonymity. It just brings out the worst in people and hurts, not helps, society.
#4 Posted by Keith Roberts, CJR on Mon 8 Mar 2010 at 04:42 PM
There is no Dominant Mind, as Jung proposed. There is a herd mentality which dominates every culture, It is an instinctive swarm response functioning at a survival level. We have developed multiple cultural expressions based on religious, racial, nationality, and economic differences since the internet has made it easy to give opinions a sense of reality by seeing them in print and having them debated regardless of whether or not they have any substantive value, discourse has degenerated to a personal attack on any opposing opinions. This as a herd response to fear, an emotion that spreads throughout the swarm causing mass flight and blind defense reactions.
Our government understands this and has used it to influence policies of benefit to special interests. The crowd seeks leadership and trusts government to preserve its safety. We are beginning to learn about the damage done to the people immobilized by a fear to think as individuals.
#5 Posted by Morton Kurzweil, CJR on Mon 8 Mar 2010 at 05:49 PM
You suck ghd. If I had a voodoo doll with your name on it, I'd dip it's hair in furniture polish.
Then I'd give the dog a new chew toy.
#6 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Fri 16 Apr 2010 at 10:07 PM