David Roberts has a long essay over at Grist complaining about “scolds” (The New York Times’s Andrew Revkin, in particular) who criticize others for making too much of the link between climate change and extreme weather events like Hurricane Sandy.
Roberts’s commentary jumps off from a self-reflective post by Revkin about whether he is guilty of what one of his longtime sources, retired climate scientist Thomas Crowley, has called “reverse tribalism.” Roberts calls it “hippie punching” and as he explained, “it goes like this”:
An extreme weather event takes place; climate activists (and the occasional journalist) make a connection to climate change; and then, a pack of climate wonks and journalists descends, scolding activists for exaggerating, going overboard, exceeding the bounds of evidence, and “giving the other side ammunition.” (That last bit is crucial. The idea that the scolds are saving the activists from themselves is what gives the scolding a patina of public purpose. Otherwise it’s just self-righteous hectoring.)
It’s a thoughtful piece, but Roberts mischaracterizes what the scolds (and I count myself among them) are saying. A day before Revkin posted his piece about reverse tribalism, he’d written another one that warned against drawing too many conclusions about climate change from Hurricane Sandy. He also sent out a tweet saying, “Northeast storminess is not place to look for signals of greenhouse-driven global warming,” which prompted the following snarky reply from Roberts:
@revkin People are discussing climate change all over the place! You really need to work harder to tamp this down.
— David Roberts (@drgrist) October 29, 2012
Revkin cited Roberts’s comment in his post and conceded, “I have sometimes perhaps been too eager to challenge definitive statements related to human-driven global warming for fear they will provide ammunition to those working to foment doubt and maintain stasis on our energy menu.” It should be clear, however, that in making those challenges, he and other scolds are not trying to “tamp down” discussions about climate change. They’re trying to steer them toward facts, and away from exaggerations, and this doesn’t mean, as Roberts put it, that everything has to be couched in “caveat-filled, probabilistic language.” But it does mean being accurate and precise (talking about specific knowns and unknowns rather than generalizing) and focusing on the big picture (the climatological context of a storm) rather than attribution (whether or not the event was “caused” by global warming).
For example, rather than writing that, “Sandy shows how climate change is increasing extreme weather around the world,” it’s better to write something like, “It’s unclear how climate change is affecting hurricanes, but global warming is undoubtedly causing sea level to rise, which exacerbates the storm surge from any cyclone that comes along.”
It seems like this is the kind of simple, contextualized explanation that Roberts wants, too. Like the scolds, he wants reporters to avoid the troubled waters of attribution stories and warns that asking if climate change caused an individual weather event is a “confusing question.” He also warns that when “climate hawks” answer that question with a simple, “yes,” they “cement that confusion.”
Unlike scolds, however, Roberts is willing to shrug off the simple, “yes,” and doesn’t think others should bother to explain the problems with it either. The reason is that be believes the debate about attribution science is really just a “semantic dispute over the meaning of ‘cause.’” To some extent, he’s right. Kevin Trenberth, a climatologist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, is fond of saying that, “All weather events are affected by climate change because the environment in which they occur is warmer and moister than it used to be.”
That’s true, but it’s not a very helpful statement. As Roberts himself explained in a post in June about attributing wildfires to climate change, events have proximate (first-order) and distal (second-order, third-order, etc.) causes. The proximate cause of a fire is a spark. The proximate cause of Hurricane Sandy was an unusual confluence of different weather systems. In both cases, climate change was a distal cause, but as Roberts noted in his post, the real question is, how distal? That’s what scientists are arguing about. Yet Roberts dismisses the importance of the question as soon as he acknowledges it. He argues that saying “climate change caused” a given weather event isn’t “necessarily false or exaggerated,” even if climate change is only a minor factor—it’s just “confusing.”
The scolds don’t see it that way. They think it’s worth explaining why climate is a fairly distal factor in storms like Sandy. But that doesn’t mean, as Roberts alleges, that scolds are calling for lots of talk about “stochastic modeling, forensic attribution, and degrees of probability,” or that they they’re opposed to providing “a visceral, more-than-intellectual sense of what climate change means.”
“Revkin seems to think that his allegiance to the journalist tribe means that he can’t communicate like this, in simple language with political, economic, and social resonance,” Roberts wrote. “Worse, he seems to think that being a journalist means he has to spend his time patrolling other people’s attempts at communicate and calling them out on reductive scientific grounds.”
Those are cheap shots. Revkin talks as much as anybody about the limitations of science journalism and how it’s a “shrinking slice of the media and communications pie.” And scolds don’t think being a journalist means you can’t communicate in simple, resonant language. Most of them applaud good work as vigorously as they criticize bad work, but they do think it’s worth criticizing the bad—not only because “the other side” could use exaggerations about weather as ammo against campaigns to address climate change, but also because they worry that the exaggerations can nurture an insidious form of misunderstanding within the general public.
Its also seems like Roberts, a foe of those who deny the science behind climate change, is calling for a bit of a double standard wherein critics should call out distortions from the right (global warming stopped 15 years ago!) but not from the left (Sandy is evidence of the new normal!). Granted, the subtle embellishments on the left are nothing compared to the full-bore disinformation campaign on the right, but the embellishments still frustrate plenty of scientists. (Update: Some undoubtedly cringed when they saw Bloomberg Businessweek’s bold, red cover featuring a photo of a flooded New York street in the aftermath of Sandy with the words, “It’s Global Warming, Stupid,” above it.]
In fact, though, many journalists have, in the wake of Hurricane Sandy, produced exactly the kind of work that scolds are calling for. Examples can be found at The Associated Press, The Washington Post, and The New York Times. These aren’t jargon-filled articles that dissuade readers from making any connections between the cyclone and climate change. They emphasize that the connections are complex, but they also convey that Sandy is a legitimate reason to be concerned about global warming despite the complexity.
It’s worth applauding this type of journalism, but it’s equally important to scold work that doesn’t live up to such high standards.
"Its also seems like Roberts, a foe of those who deny the science behind climate change, is calling for a bit of a double standard wherein critics should call out distortions from the right (global warming stopped 15 years ago!) but not from the left (Sandy is evidence of the new normal!)."
That's not a distortion, Curtis. That's an implication of the changed environment.
Oh well, at least the onion gets it.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-suddenly-realizes-this-just-going-to-be-a-t,30195/
#1 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Thu 1 Nov 2012 at 05:19 PM
Can somebody send me a link to the *right* temperature the Earth is supposed to be for human civilization to flourish?
Thanks
P.S it's important to remember that gays didn't cause this hurricane, it was republicans. #science #morality #bias
#2 Posted by Matto, CJR on Thu 1 Nov 2012 at 10:04 PM
"In both cases, climate change was a distal cause"
You are unfamiliar with the expression 'begging the question?' There is no evidence of an increase in hurricanes correlating with increased ocean temperatures. Sandy was made larger by colliding with a COLD front. The claim that climate change - as the term is used (anthropogenic, carbon dioxide caused) - has caused any part of any hurricane is just that - an assertion. Somehow, you confuse an assertion with a fact. The best that can be said, and IS sometimes said, while suggesting otherwise, is that IF CO2 is acting as assumed by climate models, THEN some part of a particular hurricane MIGHT be attributed to that CO2. Assuming what is at issue is not a scientific practice, and in most fields of science would get you laughed out of the room. In climate science, it's standard operating procedure.
#3 Posted by MarkB, CJR on Thu 1 Nov 2012 at 11:11 PM
"Can somebody send me a link to the *right* temperature the Earth is supposed to be for human civilization to flourish?"
What's the temperature the crops found in your supermarket are used to? Maybe around there.
#stupidquestion
"There is no evidence of an increase in hurricanes correlating with increased ocean temperatures."
O'rly.
You want to cite that?
I got my own stuff to cite.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=warmer-oceans-stronger-hurricanes
"Sandy was made larger by colliding with a COLD front. "
And where did that come from?
http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/30/did-global-warming-contribute-to-hurricane-sandys-devastation/
"My colleague on the opinion side of The Times, Andrew Revkin, posted an analysis from Dr. Francis this week in which she noted that an atmospheric blocking pattern over Greenland — possibly linked, in her view, to the loss of sea ice in the nearby Arctic Ocean — had helped force the storm to make a left turn into the United States mainland.
“While it’s impossible to say how this scenario might have unfolded if sea-ice had been as extensive as it was in the 1980s, the situation at hand is completely consistent with what I’d expect to see happen more often as a result of unabated warming and especially the amplification of that warming in the Arctic,” Dr. Francis wrote."
#4 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Fri 2 Nov 2012 at 02:00 AM
And hey, if Curtis wants more info on this he can talk to his campus colleague, Adam Sobel
http://www.climatecentral.org/blogs/how-fujiwhara-effect-will-toss-hurricane-sandy-into-u.s.-15174
#5 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Fri 2 Nov 2012 at 02:06 AM
Roberts is one of the activist loons who will happily ignore the science in order to climb on top of he dead bodies of this unfortumate act of nature, in order to frighten more people into believing his nonsense. On the other hand Revkin is not an activist loon and he works hard to bring objectivity and numerous scientific minds to the table in order to give people as much information as possible to form their own opinions.
#6 Posted by Windy, CJR on Fri 2 Nov 2012 at 10:34 AM
You don't have to be 'anti-science' to be a skeptic. CJR and others in the mainsream media refuse to acknowledge their own culpability in crying wolf so many times in the past over threats to health and environment. I lived through the 'population explosion' semi-hysteria of the 1960s - a classic of trendy innumberacy. And the 'limits to growth' computer models of the 1970s, which confirmed the 'garbage in, garbage out' aspect of computer modeling. And the genuine eco-hysteria of the Love Canal story, along with other hidden, colorless, odorless menaces; the resulting legislation for a 'Superfund' resulted in more money for lawyers than for waste-cleanup work. What a surprise.
In the 1980s, as I recall, the world stood on the edge of nuclear war. And electric power lines caused cancer, according to The New Yorker. Scary stuff everywhere. The global-warming crusade took a break in the 1990s during a Democratic administraion, by some strange coincidence, as it has during this Democratic administration. The apocalyptic-minded turned its attention to the threat of AIDS to straight, white, complacent Americans. The virus never did spread widely to non-gay, non-IV using folks in this country, but never mind. Along the way, there have been much-hyped scares related to SARS, Sarin, avian flu, and (last year) the H1N1 virus, all faithfully transmitted by the MSM without much critical scrutiny.
The problem with the global-warming campaign, for those who don't get exposed to much critical thinking, is that it happens to arrive with a political-control agenda that long predates the concern over global warming. Greater control of consumption and production by the politically-active classes - this has been the inevitable answer to all the 'crises' above. No wonder 'climate change' rates so poorly on lists of voter concerns, whatever the issue's popularity among the chattering classes who justify and seek to participate in a kind of administrative-elite system (schools, marriages, urban neighborhoods). We have heard it all before. What we haven't heard much (except for NEWSWEEK's embarrassed retraction of its famed 'global cooling' cover story back in the 1970s - 'we were wrong then, but we're right now - trust us' was the message) is an honest acknowledgement that enthusiasm for the environmental concerns of the Hollywood/Martha's Vineyard classes has distorted journalism's ability to discriminate among threats to health and environment, and produced a measure of popular cynicism. 'Everything gives you cancer' sang Joe Jackson, and that was back in 1982.
#7 Posted by Mark Richard, CJR on Fri 2 Nov 2012 at 12:39 PM
"You don't have to be 'anti-science' to be a skeptic."
Ya, you kinda do. The principles of the science are verified. The instruments used to test these principles on our planet have been built. The research has been done and the signals have been detected. If you don't believe in the science by now, it's because you don't like what the science demands of us, not because there's more work that needs doing. If one more scientist, one more finding, one more drought, one more hurricane ain't going to convince you on top of everything else up to now, what would you call that Mark? I wouldn't call it pro-science."
"CJR and others in the mainsream media refuse to acknowledge their own culpability in crying wolf so many times in the past over threats to health and environment."
OMG you're soooo right. There have been sooo many false threats and promises pushed by various agenda driven folks who have nothing to show for evidence and less to show for results!
I mean there was the Iraq wmd's, pro-growth tax cuts for the rich, abstinace education, the war on drugs, the red russian scare in Nicaragua, the red scare in the armed services and Hollywood, FLUORIDE IN THE WATER!
I'm so stick of the people who promote this reality free garbage at the cost of everybody else with goddamn media support. We should be skeptical of all of those policies straight from the straight jacket folks.
I wish some people would hold that ocean of crap to the same standards applied to climate science. The world would be a much better, safer, and less wasteful place.
#8 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Fri 2 Nov 2012 at 07:32 PM
"that ocean of crap"
Rick Perlstein goes a sailing, this is his log:
http://www.thebaffler.com/past/the_long_con/print
"But the New Right’s business model was dishonest in more than its revenue structure. Its very message—the alarmist vision of White Protestant Civilization Besieged that propelled fundraising pitch after fundraising pitch—was confabulatory too...
Following the standard scare-mongering playbook of the fundraising Right, Weyrich launched his appeal with some horrifying eventuality that sounded both entirely specific and hair-raisingly imminent..Closer inspection reveals the looming horror to be built on a non-falsifiable foundation (“could become”; “is likely to become”). This conditional prospect, which might prove discouraging to a skeptically minded mark, is all the more useful to reach those inclined to divide the moral universe in two—between the realm of the wicked, populated by secretive, conspiratorial elites, and the realm of the normal, orderly, safe, and sane.
Weyrich’s letter concludes by proposing an entirely specific, real-world remedy: slaying the wicked can easily be hastened for the low, low price of a $5, $10, or $25 contribution from you, the humble citizen-warrior.
These are bedtime stories, meant for childlike minds. Or, more to the point, they are in the business of producing childlike minds. Conjuring up the most garishly insatiable monsters precisely in order to banish them from underneath the bed, they aim to put the target to sleep.
This method highlights the fundamental workings of all grassroots conservative political appeals, be they spurious claims of Barack Obama’s Islamic devotion, the supposed explosion of taxpayer-supported welfare fraud, or the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
And, in an intersection that is utterly crucial, this same theology of fear is how a certain sort of commercial appeal—a snake-oil-selling one—works as well. This is where the retail political lying practiced by Romney links up with the universe in which 23-cent miracle cures exist (absent the hero’s intervention) just out of reach, thanks to the conspiracy of some powerful cabal—a cabal that, wouldn’t you know it in these late-model hustles, perfectly resembles the ur-villain of the conservative mind: liberals."
Yeah you don't have to be anti-science to be a skeptic. You just have to distrust all the "mainstream science" and believe in pixie dust salesmen like Christopher Monkton and Hans Nieper, M.D. "true intellectuals... anyone to their left is the merest cognitive pretender."
God, what a sad and pathetic movement.
#9 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Sat 3 Nov 2012 at 12:43 PM
More on Rick Perlstein and the fact free hyperbole world 'skeptical' right wingers are coming from and the damned media which enables it.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/04/history-political-lying
"There evolved a new media definition of civility that privileged "balance" over truth-telling—even when one side was lying. It's a real and profound change—one stunningly obvious when you review a 1973 PBS news panel hosted by Bill Moyers and featuring National Review editor George Will, both excoriating the administration's "Watergate morality." Such a panel today on, say, global warming would not be complete without a complement of conservatives, one of them probably George Will, lambasting the "liberal" contention that scientific facts are facts—and anyone daring to call them out for lying would be instantly censured. It's happened to me more than once—on public radio, no less.
In the same vein, when the Obama administration accused Fox News of not being a legitimate news source, the DC journalism elite rushed to admonish the White House. Granted, they were partly defending Major Garrett, the network's since-departed White House correspondent and a solid journalist—but in the process, few acknowledged that under Roger Ailes, another Nixon veteran, management has enforced an ideological line top to bottom.
The protective bubble of the "civility" mandate also seems to extend to the propagandists whose absurdly doctored stories and videos continue to fool the mainstream media. From blogger Pamela Geller, originator of the "Ground Zero mosque" falsehood, to Andrew Breitbart's video attack on Shirley Sherrod—who lost her job after her anti-discrimination speech was deceptively edited to make her sound like a racist—to James O'Keefe's fraudulent sting against National Public Radio, right-wing ideologues "lie without consequence," as a desperate Vincent Foster put it in his suicide note nearly two decades ago. But they only succeed because they are amplified by "balanced" outlets that frame each smear as just another he-said-she-said "controversy."
And here, in the end, is the difference between the untruths told by William Randolph Hearst and Lyndon Baines Johnson, and the ones inundating us now: Today, it's not just the most powerful men who can lie and get away with it. It's just about anyone—a congressional back-bencher, an ideology-driven hack, a guy with a video camera—who can inject deception into the news cycle and the political discourse on a grand scale."
The way right wing activists view truth reminds me of how mormon apostle, Boyd Packer, approached it:
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/faithbased/2012/11/d_michael_quinn_and_mormon_excommunication_the_complicated_life_of_a_mormon.html
Packer said, “I have a hard time with historians, because they idolize the truth. The truth is not uplifting.”
“There is a temptation for the writer or teacher of church history to want to tell everything, whether it is worthy or faith-promoting or not. Some things that are true are not very useful.”
And this is what the right wing does. Like a sculptor, it excises from its history what isn't useful and bolts on whatever is. This chisel approach to truth is an anathema to science - and should also be to journalism - but it seems were the ones who get punched for pointing the chisel marks out.
"Oh my. You aren't being very civil. *ahem* Everyone! Look at me! Look at how fair I'm being! I'm chastising a liberal! I'm a centrist non-partisan! I can be taken seriously now! *ahem* So yes, you should consider being less shrill next time. Bad hippie."
And, as I said in the past, on this subject we don't have the time
#10 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Sat 3 Nov 2012 at 04:06 PM
You should read this Wen Stephenson piece
http://thephoenix.com/Boston/news/146647-convenient-excuse/
"After a quick round of introductions, I explained to my former Globe colleagues that I wasn't there to "save the planet" or to protect some abstraction called "the environment." I'm really not an environmentalist, and never have been. No, I said, I was there for my kids: my son, who's 12, and my daughter, who's 8. And not only my kids — all of our kids, everywhere. Because on our current trajectory, it's entirely possible that we'll no longer have a livable climate — one that allows for stable, secure societies to survive — within the lifetimes of today's children.
And I told them that I was there, in that room, because the national conversation we're having about this situation, this emergency, is utterly inadequate —or, really, nonexistent...
Canellos, the paper's former Washington bureau chief, was more interested in the short-term politics of the Keystone pipeline debate, and the economic impact of natural gas expansion in Massachusetts, and what raising renewable energy standards would mean for regional jobs. Smart, sensible questions. Balanced. Analytical. Above the fray. In short, what counts as serious on the opinion pages of mainstream American newspapers.
And, it has to be said, they were questions that revealed precisely the kind of narrow, incremental, politically straitjacketed mindset that's leading us off the climate cliff. Indeed, they were the kind of questions that make you wonder whether the speaker is even aware of the cliff we're racing toward — or what planet we're living on...
In the face of this situation — as much as it pains me to say this — you are failing. Your so-called "objectivity," your bloodless impartiality, are nothing but a convenient excuse for what amounts to an inexcusable failure to tell the most urgent truth we've ever faced.
Let me be clear: the problem isn't simply a matter of "false balance" — for most of you, that debate is largely over, and you no longer balance the overwhelming scientific consensus with the views of fossil-fuel lobby hacks. No, what I'm talking about is your failure to cover the climate crisis as a crisis — one in which countless millions, even billions, of lives are at stake...
What's needed now is crisis-level coverage. And you guys know how to cover a crisis. In the weeks and months — nay, years — following 9/11, all sorts of stories made the front pages and homepages and newscasts that never would have been assigned otherwise. The same was true before and after the Iraq invasion, and in the months following the 2008 financial meltdown. In a crisis, the criteria for top news is markedly altered, as long as a story sheds light on the crisis topic. In crisis coverage, there's an assumption that readers want and deserve to know as much as possible. In crisis coverage, you "flood the zone." You shift resources. You make hard choices.
The climate crisis is the biggest story of this, or any, generation — so why the hell aren't you flooding the climate "zone," putting it on the front pages and leading newscasts with it every day? Or even once a week? Why aren't you looking constantly at how the implications of climate change and its impact pervade almost any topic — not just environment and energy stories?"
#11 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Sat 3 Nov 2012 at 07:41 PM
Also worthy reads:
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/08/28/762321/climate-progress-at-six-years-why-i-blog/
("distribution of professional opinion figure" really worth a look)
And the krugmeister.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/dicing-with-the-climate/
"The normal, cautious thing is to say that there’s no way to attribute any particular event, like a heat wave in the Ukraine, to global warming — and news media have basically been bullied by this argument into rarely mentioning climate change even when reporting on extreme weather. But Hansen et al make an important point: this argument is much weaker when we’re talking about really extreme events, like temperatures more than 3 standard deviations above historical norms. Such events would almost never happen if there weren’t a rising trend in global temperatures; so when they become quite common, as they have, it’s fair to call them evidence of warming."
But if you do, expect to be scolded and punched because, according to a few, "generalizing about extreme weather helps no one".
#12 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Sat 3 Nov 2012 at 07:57 PM
To Thimbles, your ripostes would be more convincing if you actually managed to respond effectively to the cases of eco-hyseria in the press that I mentioned. You don't, which suggests (given the prolixity and multitude of your standard respoonses, and evidence that you spend hours and hours composing them) that you can't.
The question is why people don't get more upset by 'threats to the environment' as urged by a demographic that skews markedly 'white' and upper-income. The answer, as anyone who has a life away from the chattering classes, is that a lot of people are simply cynical about the constant wolf-crying transmitted by 'the media' for decades now. It would be an encouraging step if mainstream news organizations found the guts to acknowledge that threats to the environment have been over-hyped, but 'the media' in this country is usually a faithful instrument of the same class that gets lathered up about such threats, real and imaginary. It's what they have instead of religion.
Meantime, if you can find similar fortitude, I'll round up a copy of the late media-eco-favorite Paul Erlich's immortal prophecy 'Famine 1975!' and make a gift of it to you. Sorry to sound skeptical. I thought journalists valued skepticism.
#13 Posted by Mark Richard, CJR on Mon 5 Nov 2012 at 12:45 PM
"To Thimbles, your ripostes would be more convincing if you actually managed to respond effectively to the cases of eco-hyseria in the press that I mentioned."
I don't have to, just like you don't have to respond to the hundreds of thousands of dead bodies as a result of right wing lies and a compliant press driving America into an occupation of Iraq.
Which, in my humble opinion, is more significant than Jack Welch's fights to avoid cleaning up a superfund site or two.
None of which has to do with the problem at hand which is "What should we do about the changed climate we are responsible for"? Unless you give me a reason to be skeptical of the overwhelming science (maybe you can take the challenge padi passed up) we need to discuss the problem at hand.
That a lot of people have recovered from the flu is no comfort to the person suffering cancer. That is the kind of response you're giving to the entrenched climate change problem.
#14 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 5 Nov 2012 at 02:09 PM
And it doesn't help your case that you can be skeptical of climate without being anti-science when the skeptics who represent you are clearly anti-science
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-mean-spirited-ignorant-incoherence.html
and anti reality
http://youtu.be/nY0M7Id
I don't want to hear your lectures on 'leftist hysteria' while you guys are freaking the f*ck out about the kenyan muslim socialist who attended Reverend Wright's sermons for 20 years and hates your god and guns.
When it comes to hysteria, you folks on the right have too big a tally on your side to be telling us sciencey folk to keep cool. Try being right (in the sense of correct) about something for a day, clean up your own house of crazies, and then attempt to hand us a pearl of your wisdom.
Otherwise, can't say I'm interested.
#15 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 5 Nov 2012 at 02:19 PM
Good read.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/dan-miller/the-space-shuttle-challen_b_466605.html
"On January 27, 1986, the night before the Space Shuttle Challenger was to be launched, a phone conference took place between NASA managers and Morton Thiokol, the manufacturer of the shuttle's solid rocket motors...
The NASA managers asked if they could prove that the rockets would fail at low temperatures and, of course, it could not be proved...
[T]he NASA managers had asked the wrong question given that it was a life and death matter. Rather than asking if there was proof that the launch would fail, they should have asked if there was proof that the launch would succeed.
The discussion of climate change is following a similar course. Climate scientists are telling us that we are headed for catastrophe if we keep emitting CO2 and other greenhouse gases. But instead of heeding their warnings, we are asking for proof of the impending disaster. We harp on minor errors in otherwise overwhelming evidence and we rail against scientists when they express their frustration about the ability of deniers to confuse the public."
#16 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 5 Nov 2012 at 02:53 PM
I'm not sure the knocks are Revkin are cheap shots; they're in accord with my opinion of much of Revkin's work in the Dot Earth blog. He often seems more than a little interested in concern-trolling activists and advocates. Revkin seems a little bit of a "we only speak about this in quiet rooms" kind of guy: "carefully, carefully, don't be uncivil while the world burns down around you." This, in addition to his weirdly solipsistic detachment from the reality of view-from-nowhere-ism ("But as a journalist, I grew into the habit of detaching my personal passions from my profession’s need to sort through arguments for some sense of bedrock. So I’m a member of the journalism tribe, as well. That hasn’t changed with my move to the Op-Ed side of the paper. My opinion is that reality matters, however inconvenient it may be." While this may be theoretically laudable, Revkin *never* problematizes any of this, or acknowledges that truth-seeking is not exactly what he or his profession are doing most of the time-- he seems incapable of this form of analysis, despite occasionally name-dropping his "pal" Jay Rosen) makes his work pretty tepid, as well as, for me personally, redolent of some weird sense of privilege that I can't quite pin down. In any case, hippie-punching is a constant theme of his, it's perfectly fair to call him on it.
#17 Posted by kabosh, CJR on Mon 5 Nov 2012 at 03:55 PM
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#18 Posted by LDH Hall, CJR on Tue 20 Nov 2012 at 02:13 AM