There is nothing nefarious about the tipsheet, but it’s interesting (if not somewhat comical) to see how the IPCC pigeonholes journalists: “college-educated, overworked, underpaid, inquisitive, skeptical, jaded, world-weary, generalists.” The concerning point is this: “Don’t say ‘no comment.’ This instantly raises a reporter’s hackles (and interest level). Instead, bring the conversation back to where YOU want it to be.” But every good reporter should expect that sources they interview are trying to control the conversation anyway.
What’s more troubling, in my opinion, is the way that the background-and-tipsheet underestimates reporters’ intelligence. The last page of the document advises researchers to “avoid scientific jargon.” This is an important pointer, and one that many journalists themselves have put forward for years—but there is a limit to its utility. While it is true that more reporters are generalists these days, that doesn’t mean they’re daft. I would agree that scientists should avoid subjective words like “exotic” and acronyms like “SST” (sea surface temperature); but other terms, such as “uncertainty” and “risk,” are common enough that scientists should be encouraged to explain what they mean and how they are measured.
Still, the real disappointment here is Pachauri’s letter, and, if nothing else, one hopes that it will at least get far enough under journalists’ skin to motivate more coverage of the ongoing IPCC review process being carried out by InterAcademy Council, an association of science academies from around the world, as well as preparations for the fifth assessment report.

I don't know who's worse at times--the scientists that put up materials and then make them almost impossible to get to or Google and their fancy document programs that I don't want since I won't use it more than once a month if that often. The material should be available for ANYONE to read once it's online. Your remark about initials with out explanation is very pertinent for anyone not having taken part in their research and/or writing of the documents--whatever they have to be about. For as smart as many of these scientists are supposed to be they definitely are not trained in PR--verbally or written. Then their complaining by e-mail didn't teach them much, otherwise why are they still doing it??? They remind me of the BP CEO that constantly said the wrong thing getting both himself and BP in "hot water" with the press--or any kind of media. Too many "big wigs" have had too little time and/or training with the media or else they don't care--since they make more money than they will ever use despite the fact "they can't take it with them."
That also goes for today's article in OP-ED of NY Times about the wealthy putting their money in virtual trusts that they never have to pay taxes on even after they die. About 14 states allow it yet they are crying for money from the federal Treasury since too few wealthy are paying their necessary taxes.
#1 Posted by Patricia Wilson, CJR on Mon 12 Jul 2010 at 06:41 PM
"What’s more troubling, in my opinion, is the way that the background-and-tipsheet underestimates reporters’ intelligence. The last page of the document advises researchers to “avoid scientific jargon.” This is an important pointer, and one that many journalists themselves have put forward for years—but there is a limit to its utility. While it is true that more reporters are generalists these days, that doesn’t mean they’re daft. "
I'd love to agree, but after the Phil Jones' "Statistically significant increase" flap at the BBC, it's in the interest of climate scientists to be wary of their words and the approach of the reporter. The British press and Fox have been brutally slanted on this issue and the way the media and its public reacts to sensational stories both pro and anti AGW, it's very easy for disinformation to be spread from a careless quote or two.
You can bet that the research facilities are tightening up their computer security as well. Interesting times to be a climatologist.
PS. I see the observatory is getting a bit more active. Good work.
#2 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 12 Jul 2010 at 06:50 PM
Thanks, But, And, Also, . . .
First, although I haven't had time to read several of the recent posts/threads entirely, I have gotten the sense that The Observatory has gotten more active, and more willing to be more critical of the news media. That's a step in the right, obvious, and necessary direction. Of course, much more is necessary. MUCH MORE. All is for naught unless major improvements (in the media) take place. As Ralph Waldo Emerson has written, "Goodness must have some edge to it--else it is none."
Regarding the present matter, I'm all for transparency and openness. But, the news media must certainly realize (does it?) that it has a corresponding deep and huge responsibility to complement and respond to transparency, openness, and diligent work with careful and accurate interpretation, understanding, and so forth, and honest reporting, presented in context, with the care that the immensity of the problem deserves, and so forth.
It is all well and good for Andy and The New York Times to demand and encourage transparency and openness. But, when will they start doing their jobs with the care and clarity and responsibility that the subject demands? That is the fair and necessary question. In the amount of time that it took for Andy to write the present piece and interview the scientists, he could have walked upstairs and firmly insisted on a meeting with Bill Keller, to ask Bill why The Times hasn't covered X, Y, Z, A, B, C, and so forth, and why The Times puts key matters on page 16 if they are covered at all. Has Andy done that, yet? If so, we haven't seen the results.
I would suggest this to scientists: Agree to be transparent and to explain your work, ON THE CONDITION THAT The New York Times understand it accurately, cover it accurately, avoid painting a false picture of "controversy", give the article an accurate title, and cover it on the front page if it's important.
In other words, let's make a transparency-responsibility deal here. I'll be transparent, if you'll be responsible and effective in your coverage.
Will you make that deal, Andy (and The New York Times)? If so, great. If not, why not?
(To be honest, I'm completely fed up with the news media asking scientists to do a better job. Scientists should always aspire to do a better job, without advice from the news media, and the news media should focus on doing its own job better, more responsibly, and so forth. Period. I hope I've made that clear.)
Cheers,
Jeff
#3 Posted by Jeff Huggins, CJR on Mon 12 Jul 2010 at 08:17 PM
I think you miss the point on "uncertainty" which probably does need explanation, as do phrases such as "statistical significance". In the vernacular, these do not mean the same as they do in scientific discourse. In science "uncertainty" means the bounds within which we know the value of a certain value, for example the trend in global surface temperature. In the vernacular it is usually taken to mean that we don't know for sure. The same goes for statistical significance, which most often means that we don't have enough data, not that an observed phenomena does not exist. In climate science this is most often related to the noise characteristics of the quantity being measured and is often, since the noise is a fixed process, a fixed value: you need x measurements to get a statistically significant value and x - 1 measurements will give you a value which does not reach the statistically significant threshold, which is usually 95%, even though the value you are looking for may be certain at a very high level, just not 95%. It is amazing how often this needs to be explained.
With so much of the media getting rid of the journalists who cover specialist beats, like science, the assumption that they are not familiar with the way that terms are used in the scientific discourse is probably the proper one to take. This is not to say that journalists are not intelligent but merely that they may need education.
#4 Posted by John Sully, CJR on Mon 12 Jul 2010 at 11:26 PM
Reading the last sentence in the first paragraph makes me realize why god invented editors, or at least a preview button.
So, let me try and state it in a less convoluted way.
Trends or clustering of data, for example, are related to the noise characteristics of the data. The number of measurements necessary to attribute statistical significance is often a fixed value, since the noise in a series of measurements is commonly a fixed value. If x measurements give you a statistically significant value, x - 1 measurements will give you a statistically insignificant value. Statistical significance is usually measured at the 95% level, which means that there is a 95% probability that the value being measured is not due to chance (95% is an arbitrary but generally agreed upon level of certainty). A phenomena observed with x - 1 measurements may still be significant at say a 90% level -- a 10% probability that it is due to chance -- but not reach the accepted level of certainty. Statistical significance and uncertainty are intimately related terms which is why a basic course in statistics is required to explain them to people who are not versed in scientific "jargon".
This is a fairly simple example of what needs to be explained to reporters, without going into the specifics of the processes which are used to model the noise. An explanation of these processes is necessary to decide what the minimum number of measurements might be necessary to get a statistically significant result. With most broadcast news outlets firing any reporters from the science beat (see CNN) except those who cover the medical beat it is necessary to make clear what you mean when you use terms like "uncertainty" or "statistical significance". Even the medical beat reporters who have training are most often practicing physicians who may not be familiar with these terms. It is best to use caution lest statements be misinterpreted.
I do agree with your assessment of Pachauri's statement. Chris Mooney at The Intersection provided a better way to phrase the suspect paragraph. There needs to be a greater degree of openness, but still premature comments on the contents of the report need to be restrained. Lead Authors of AR5 need to be aware of this and what it is and is not appropriate to comment on. It is not appropriate to comment on internal discussions. It is OK to comment about the general state of the science and the author's own work in particular. Where to draw this line -- between openness and necessary confidentiality -- is difficult.
#5 Posted by John Sully, CJR on Tue 13 Jul 2010 at 12:08 AM
Send a message to @WSJ telling them to set the record straight on #Climategate http://j.mp/ClimategateWSJ
#6 Posted by Mark A. York, CJR on Tue 13 Jul 2010 at 12:52 AM
In the usual situation involving scientists attempting to convey complex scientific ideas to reporters and others who may not have fluency in the language of the particular science at issue, there needs to exist an ongoing process that can both ascertain the level of understanding in the listener, and quickly and non-patronizingly translate when that understanding fails to develop.
I doubt that this model will be useful in the "climate science" areas, however. When a central thesis of a science holds that an unprecedented warming will trigger unprecedented "positive feedback" which, like microphone-in-front-of-the-amplifier screeching will then destroy all that matters in its presence, but in fact there was a period in the past in which the measure of temperature was significantly higher than is threatened in our near future and - lo! - the earth still seems to sustain both life and sea levels in a manner that ought to be impossible in the "scientists' view", "communication" would not seem to be the goal when approached by media types.
#7 Posted by bobby b, CJR on Tue 13 Jul 2010 at 04:35 AM
This letter will be used as a stick to beat scientists involved in IPCC AR5.
This is how it will work.
1. A scientist involved with AR5 will be approached about some aspect, contentious or not, about their work for the IPCC.
2. A non-response or a re-direction to the IPCC will be seen as a direct refusal to answer.
3. This refusal will be seen as contrary to the spirit of openess and transparency now deemed important to the health of climate science.
4. This will be viewed by skeptics in the press and among the general populace as reconfirmation that climate scientists and the IPCC have learnt nothing are still indulging in discredited practices.
5. The scientist in question will find themselves publicly outed and the science they are reviewing for AR5 will be subject to FOI requests and out-and-out criticism.
6. Public trust in the IPCC will be further eroded.
This letter has damned AR5 before a word has been published.
#8 Posted by Mac, CJR on Tue 13 Jul 2010 at 04:58 AM
How do you figure that ClimateGate has been largely debunked? Sure, there have been two investigations -- which may have been completely independent or may have been another case of the fox reporting that all's well in the henhouse.
But the real issue is whether manmade global warming even exists ... or whether it's merely the latest vehicle to pressure industrialized nations into coughing up billions of their tax dollars, this time in the name of saving the planet.
The fact remains that Phil Jones of the East Anglia CRU admitted in a BBC interview that:
1. There has been no significant global warming in 15 years.
2. His historic climate records were not well organized.
3. The Medieval Warm Period may have been hotter than the late 20th century (which would discredit the famous "hockey stick" graph).
4. There is no scientific consensus on climate change.
Given that level of doubt by a climate change insider, it would be irresponsible for any government to submit to the financial fleecing that was called for in the Copenhagen agreement.
As for IPCC chairman Rajendra Pachauri, it's a shame that America's major media haven't spent more time researching his "credentials," or lack thereof (Pachauri has more background in railroads than climate), not to mention his Soviet-style environmental "solutions."
Pachauri has said he believes that hotel guests should have their electricity monitored, that exorbitant aviation taxes should be imposed to discourage people from flying, that restaurants should stop offering ice water, and that governments should use pricing to regulate the use of private vehicles.
Instead of taking it on faith that Global Warmers are altruistic do-gooders who care only about planet Earth, the MSM should put down their green pom poms and start doing more independent reporting on the international organizations, leaders and corporations that stand to gain the most from climate change.
#9 Posted by Upon Further Review, CJR on Wed 14 Jul 2010 at 09:04 AM
"1. There has been no significant global warming in 15 years. 2. His historic climate records were not well organized. 3. The Medieval Warm Period may have been hotter than the late 20th century (which would discredit the famous "hockey stick" graph). 4. There is no scientific consensus on climate change."
Yuck. Do you see what I mean Curt? A little ambiguity goes all the way to Stalingrad for some people. Oh yes, review, the evil nefarious scientists are not just plotting graphs, they're also plotting world domination. The foxes are plucking the chickens before they hatch and fleecing your green pom poms Soviet style to boot. Ohh those terrible scientists, hampering the work of petroleum companies who would never lie nor defraud the public nor put us all in danger nor withhold information from the public all for the sake of filthy lucre.
The scientists are the villains. They are the conspiratorial evil masterminds.
Yeah, cool story bro.
#10 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 14 Jul 2010 at 09:30 AM
Step forward Chris Field, the incoming head of IPCC AR5 WGII (impacts)
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/39664.html#ixzz0tanAazn0
Step 1. A scientist involved with AR5 will be approached about some aspect, contentious or not, about their work for the IPCC.
It would appear Chris Field has already been asked to clarify his comments in the Politico op-ed, namely , "Climate change caused by humans is already affecting our lives and livelihoods — with extreme storms, unusual floods and droughts, intense heat waves, rising seas and many changes in biological systems — as climate scientists have projected."
Will he respond or not? (Step 2)
#11 Posted by Mac, CJR on Wed 14 Jul 2010 at 11:42 AM
" largely debunked controversies stemming from a couple minor errors in its 2007 report and from a batch of leaked e-mails from the University of East Anglia."
Spin, spin, spin. Sorry, Charlie. We can all see the man behind the curtain, so stop with the "Great and Powerful Oz" routine.
A "couple of minor errors?" How about over 5,000 citations to non-peer-reviewed sources, ranging from undergraduate theses to WWF pamphlets to mountain-climbing magazines? And I'm not sure where you get "debunked" relating to the CRU e-mails which reveal a concerted conspiracy- not too strong a word- to hijack and suborn the peer-review and publication process.
Yes, the IPCC has every reason to avoid the media- just like Bernie Madoff, Enron execs or the Gambino Family.
#12 Posted by Bohemond, CJR on Wed 14 Jul 2010 at 12:42 PM
Lets see. The IPCC ran the fraudulent hockey stick graph (broken I'm proud to say, by Canadians mcIntyre and McItrick). How minor an error is this? Well the graph eliminated well documented historical climate history. Little Ice Age - gone. Mideival Optimum - gone. Still, just a minor error, barely a flesh wound.
Sorry, I forgot to mention that the "code" used to build the graph was capable of produciton a hockey stick shape when random numbers were used as input. How dare anyone question the veracity of the model!!!
What's that, they merged proxy results with 'actual' temperature readings to get the desired shape? What could go wring with that?
Moving on. They used green activist propaganda as part of their evidence. Quick, look over there, BIG OIL!!!!
They lost the acutal data and the actual datasets used for much of the 'science' were um, massaged like Al Gore's midsection. Then, they wouldn't share the data with sceptics because they were so certain of their work.
The IPCC has changed scientists words to eliminate doubt, after the scientists had signed off on their work. (A trick recently used by the Obama administration down in the Gulf).
Your first paragraph was a pathetic piece of progressive propaganda.
Someone should review your ignorant bias.
#13 Posted by Marko, CJR on Wed 14 Jul 2010 at 03:22 PM
Thimbles wrote:
Yuck. Do you see what I mean Curt? A little ambiguity goes all the way to Stalingrad for some people. Oh yes, review, the evil nefarious scientists are not just plotting graphs, they're also plotting world domination. The foxes are plucking the chickens before they hatch and fleecing your green pom poms Soviet style to boot. Ohh those terrible scientists, hampering the work of petroleum companies who would never lie nor defraud the public nor put us all in danger nor withhold information from the public all for the sake of filthy lucre.
The scientists are the villains. They are the conspiratorial evil masterminds.
Yeah, cool story bro.
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*** Ah, I get it, Thimbles: Your personal heroes are the scientists who "hide the decline," squelch dissenting viewpoints and create hockey stick graphs that are later undermined by inconvenient truths.
Also on your "guys wearing the white hats" list are the IPCC and their charismatic leader, Rajendra Pachauri, who wants to control everything from hotel room thermostats to private vehicles in the name of saving the planet.
Villains? Evil masterminds? Oh, you've got plenty of them in your little morality play, all right -- the [CUE SPOOKY MUSIC AND DIABOLICAL LAUGHTER] petroleum companies!
Who but a black-helicopter world-domination conspiracy theorist would object to his nation contributing tens of billions of tax dollars to the Third World -- funneled though the squeaky-clean U.N., of course?
Who but a total wacko would ask inane questions such as, "So how many degrees will all those billions of dollars actually make the Earth cool?"
Who but an Earth-hater would do anything but swoon and genuflect when a U.N. bureaucrat like Pachauri talks of exerting control over our private vehicles?
You're right, Thimbles -- just because some intergovernmental agency wants to tell me how much I can drive my car ... or use my motel thermostat ... or drink ice water in restaurants ... and just because the U.N. wants to control billions of American tax dollars and exert power over the U.S. economy ... that's no reason to suspect any bigger-picture orchestration going on.
In the words of that great philosopher, Sergeant Schultz, "I see NOTH-ingggg!"
I now realize that international luminaries like the esteemed Mr. Pachauri are honest public servants who want nothing more than what's best for Mother Earth -- the notion of personal gain would never enter their minds.
So thanks for setting me straight, Thimbles; I'm ready to give Pachauri my wallet and the keys to my car for the good of the planet.
#14 Posted by Upon Further Review, CJR on Wed 14 Jul 2010 at 11:43 PM
"Ah, I get it, Thimbles: Your personal heroes are the scientists who "hide the decline," "
In tree rings, not in temperature. The instruments that measure temperature (called thermometers) show an incline while tree ring growth shows a decline. Should we have used a proxy that had gone out of synch with the thing it was measuring or should we have used the instrumental record instead to "hide the decline"?
"Also on your "guys wearing the white hats" list are the IPCC and their charismatic leader, Rajendra Pachauri, who wants to control everything from hotel room thermostats to private vehicles in the name of saving the planet."
No, you can use your thermostat all you want, drive your car all you want, so long as you don't use antiquated combustion technology that is inefficient, toxic, and would have been shelved years ago were it not for the
cigaretteenergy companies who are willing to say do and pay anything to keep the global population under their thumbs.These energy companies who sponsor flawed research and flawed critics to attack the genuine science and harass the people who practice it. These are the same guys who brought you the Clinton conspiracies in the 90's and employ the "cigarette doesn't cause cancer" pr machine today.
I don't understand why you like Koch so much.
So quick question, what if, crazy notion I know.. but indulge me, what if the volumes of science written on the GHG waste increases temperature relationship is true? What do you suggest we do? Should people like Pachauri, who've I've never been a big fan of since Bush appointed him, advise that we drive our combustion cars off towards extinction?
If it is true, and there's a possibility.. far out I know, that it is, what should be done?
#15 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Thu 15 Jul 2010 at 02:02 AM
Here's what I know: The cherished "hockey stick" graph, which climate change alarmists have been pointing to for years as proof that the Earth has become a giant rotating microwave oven, has been undermined not only by the aforementioned statistically minded Canadians, but by the admitted uncertainty of Phil Jones himself.
As Jones of the once-respected East Anglia CRU conceded to the BBC:
1. "There is much debate over whether the Medieval Warm Period was global in extent or not." (There IS??)
2. "For it to be global in extent the MWP would need to be seen clearly in more records from the tropical regions and the Southern Hemisphere. There are very few palaeoclimatic records for these latter two regions." (There ARE??)
3. "Of course, if the MWP was shown to be global in extent and as warm or warmer than today ... then obviously the late-20th century warmth would not be unprecedented." (It WOULDN'T??)
So let me distill this for you: Jones isn't even sure that the MWP was hotter than the late 20th century ... which means that even if the "hockey stick" graph had been created accurately according to available data, it's based on a premise that has about a 50-50 chance of being crap.
That's because, if the MWP were found to be warmer than the late 20th century, the "hockey stick" graph would look more like bicycle handlebars, and all the Gore-basms about the 1990s producing the hottest temperatures in 1,000 years could be tossed in the Chicken Little file.
Yeah, but what if global warming is eventually proved to be true anyway, you ask. Well, we'll cross that theoretical bridge if and when we ever come to it.
In the meantime, industrialized nations like the United States should resist all future climate change extortion attempts by hanging on to their billions of dollars and treating any subsequent offshoots of the Copenhagen agreement as so much toilet paper.
#16 Posted by Upon Further Review, CJR on Thu 15 Jul 2010 at 09:44 AM
"Yeah, but what if global warming is eventually proved to be true anyway, you ask. Well, we'll cross that theoretical bridge if and when we ever come to it."
No, it's a perfectly reasonable question to ask now given what we know about carbon dioxide and other green house gases. You can deny the reality of a theoretical scenario while considering how to react to the hypothetical scenario.
If it's true, if it poses a clear and present threat to our climatic stability, and if we have a limited amount of time to correct it, then what kind of actions should we take?
You tell me.
In the meantime.
"not only by the aforementioned statistically minded Canadians, but by the admitted uncertainty of Phil Jones himself."
No no bad.
Statistical significance means something. Watch and learn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PWDFzWt-Ag
"1. "There is much debate over whether the Medieval Warm Period was global in extent or not." (There IS??)"
Yes there is.
http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/04/climate-reconstructions-get-more-accurate.ars
#17 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Thu 15 Jul 2010 at 10:52 AM
Cont..
Global proxies do not reflect the temperature rise that local ones in Europe do. And regardless of that, the local temperatures during medieval warm period were likely less hot at its peak then we are globally today. We're not near our peak.
The MWP changes were likely brought on by a period of heightened solar activity which was followed by a lull in activity called the Little Ice Age, a period where sunspots were rarely observed for about 300 years known as the Maunder Minimum. The ocean circulates heat and acts as a temperature buffer, absorbing and releasing heat depending on the atmospheric conditions. Therefore it takes a lot of heat over time to create a global change. Solar variability and other feedback effects are likely responsible for the MWP.
Our recent global warming period has taken place over a prolonged near 10 year solar minimum
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/01apr_deepsolarminimum/
We should have been cooling. We aren't. What ever drove the MWP and the LIA then has no relation to what is happening now. When solar intensity goes down, our temperature stays stable or rising. When solar intensity goes up, well it's gonna be pretty hot.
""Of course, if the MWP was shown to be global in extent and as warm or warmer than today ... then obviously the late-20th century warmth would not be unprecedented." (It WOULDN'T??)"
That's a big if.
#18 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Thu 15 Jul 2010 at 11:03 AM
"We should have been cooling. We aren't."
Oh, yes we are ...
This from the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1242011/DAVID-ROSE-The-mini-ice-age-starts-here.html
"Among the most prominent of the scientists is Professor Mojib Latif, a leading member of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which has been pushing the issue of man-made global warming on to the international political agenda since it was formed 22 years ago."
Says Latif: "A significant share of the warming we saw from 1980 to 2000 and at earlier periods in the 20th Century was due to these [ocean] cycles – perhaps as much as 50 per cent.
'They have now gone into reverse, so winters like this one will become much more likely. Summers will also probably be cooler, and all this may well last two decades or longer.
"The extreme retreats that we have seen in glaciers and sea ice will come to a halt. For the time being, global warming has paused, and there may well be some cooling ... We have such a change now and can therefore expect 20 or 30 years of cooler temperatures."
Sure, Latif THINKS it'll start getting warmer again in 20 to 30 years, but why should we trust such distant projections? If Latif is right, then scientists in the 1990s and early 2000s didn't even predict the global cooling trend that was right around the corner.
So why should we believe climatologists can predict global temperature trends of the mid-21st century (and beyond) any better than your average TV weatherman can predict what kind of day it's going to be in two months?
#19 Posted by Upon Further Review, CJR on Thu 15 Jul 2010 at 11:26 AM
No we aren't:
http://climateprogress.org/2010/01/14/science-dr-mojib-latif-global-warming-cooling/
"Last fall, Latif gave a talk that the media got wrong again, with New Scientist (!) writing things like “World will ‘cool for the next decade’ ” and “We could be about to enter one or even two decades of cooler temperatures, according to one of the world’s top climate modellers.” Since I knew that wasn’t what Latif’s work showed, I called him up...
He told me “we don’t trust our forecast beyond 2015″ and “it is just as likely you’ll see accelerated warming” after then. Indeed, in his published research, rapid warming is all-but-inevitable over the next two decades. He told me, “you can’t miss the long-term warming trend” in the temperature record, which is “driven by the evolution of greenhouse gases.”..
Latif told me: “I don’t know what to do. They just make these things up.”
Again, no we aren't:
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20100121/
And there are reports that 2010 is hotter still.
Now, answer my g*ddamn question.
#20 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Thu 15 Jul 2010 at 12:15 PM
Uh-huh ... and another possibility is that Latif caught so much flak for giving ammunition to global warming skeptics that he decided to walk back his earlier statements and claim that he was misquoted, misconstrued or any of the other traditional excuses given by people who speak the truth and wish they hadn't.
The article I gave you quoted Latif directly -- i.e., "Last night he told The Mail on Sunday." You weren't there, so you have no business claiming that it wasn't what Latif told the reporter verbatim.
And if Latif himself is contending that the reporter invented those quotes out of whole cloth, that's an offense that should result in the reporter being fired, and Latif should take his complaint and his evidence to the editor of that newspaper.
Otherwise, I'd like to know how Latif could say the following and meaning anything besides the fact that he expects global cooling -- perhaps 20 years or more of it -- in the near future:
"‘A significant share of the warming we saw from 1980 to 2000 and at earlier periods in the 20th Century was due to these cycles – perhaps as much as 50 per cent. They have now gone into reverse, so winters like this one will become much more likely. Summers will also probably be cooler, and all this may well last two decades or longer.
"The extreme retreats that we have seen in glaciers and sea ice will come to a halt. For the time being, global warming has paused, and there may well be some cooling."
Seems pretty unambiguous to me, but if you want to try to spin it in some different direction, knock yourself out.
Moreover, I find it hilarious that according to your last post, Latif asserts that his research indicates a "long-term warming trend .. over the next two decades” -- yet also notes that “we don’t trust our forecast beyond 2015."
Gee, nothing contradictory about those two statements, is there?
Obviously, Latif can't have it both ways. Right now he sounds like the host of a financial-oriented TV show who says, "Mark my words: Gold will triple in value in the year 2011, so buy all you can NOW!" ... then quickly reminds his audience that his predictions are never reliable beyond the next 30 days.
As for your question, it's the kind of theoretical quandary that's better suited for "Scruples, the Game of Moral Dilemmas." But I'll tell you this: What I WOULDN'T do about global warming is forward tens of billions of my nation's tax dollars to the U.N., to be redistributed to Third World countries, and then tell myself I'd taken a major step to lower the Earth's temperature.
#21 Posted by Upon Further Review, CJR on Fri 16 Jul 2010 at 09:35 AM
Only in CJR-Land would "professional journalists" trip over themselves to defend a whitewash job like the one that has been promulgated to cover the Climategate fiasco.
The wannabe journalists can try to dismiss the "couple of minor errors" in the IPCC fairy tale, but they aren't going to convince anyone with power or brains to take the AGW nonsense seriously.
The simple facts of the matter are that:
1. The Himalyan glaciers won't melt away in 25 years.
2. The Amazon isn't drying up.
3. North Africans won't be dying in droves from drought.
4. There hasn't been any statistically significant global warming over the last 15 years.
Only a pimply-faced True Believer would have the gall to dismiss these (and a ton of other) deliberate misrepresentations as "minor errors".
#22 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Fri 16 Jul 2010 at 02:29 PM
What's amazing, Padikiller, is that the Obama administration has worked overtime to keep journalists away from the oil spill, yet instead of objecting, the MSM has dutifully downplayed the ineptness of the White House in accomplishing much of anything in the Gulf besides sending lawyers and finger-pointing at BP.
In other words, today's major media are so ideological that they'll gladly sacrifice a chunk of their press freedom for the good of the "cause." Truly independent reporters wouldn't allow ANY president -- Democrat, Republican or otherwise -- to put them on a leash.
But the lack of coverage on stories such as the New Black Panthers voter intimidation case, the ACORN scandal, the first two months of Tea Party protests, etc., reveal an MSM that are eager to do the bidding of the current administration. Here's hoping that the new media can rise from the ashes of what used to be a free and independent press.
#23 Posted by Upon Further Review, CJR on Sat 17 Jul 2010 at 09:54 AM
You are absolutely right. Look at the stories you list.
The dead-tree media is in its death throes and its eulogist, CJR, is nothing but a liberal mouthpiece.
The New Black Panthers story came to us from the blogosphere- as did the ACORN scandal, the John Edwards debacle, the Tea Party movement, etc.
CJR did everything it could do to tank these stories, just as it does everything it can do to tank any story that breaks bad on liberals or on one of their own "professional journalist/advocates" (case in point - Helen Thomas's Jew bashing which CJR let go without a word of castigation)
If it were alleged by a high-ranking internal whistleblower that the Bush administration's DOJ had decided not to prosecute civil rights cases based on the skin tones of the perpertrators - do you really think that the MSM (or the "watchdogs" here at CJR) would hop to toe the government line?
There is a presumption in the MSM that conservatives or libertarians are lying or misguided, and an even stronger presumption that liberals or progressives are honest and judicious.
But the new media will fix it if the liberals don't succeed in censoring the internet or talk radio. As journalistic malpractice is exposed daily, the public's faith the reliability of the "professional journalists" is dropping like a sack of wet cement. In a free market, the liberal mainstays can't keep losing other people's money forever without correction. Of course, this is also why the MSM-types (including the "watchdogs" here) are begging for the government to nationalize the newspapers.
#24 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Sat 17 Jul 2010 at 10:17 AM
Well stated. I just noticed that today's CBS Sunday Morning is doing its entire program on obesity.
Hmmm ... now where have I heard that topic mentioned before? Oh, that's right -- it's Michelle Obama's latest crusade. No doubt it's intended to soften us up for the nanny-state regulations and overbearing government control (including mandatory BMI measurements shared with the feds) that are part of ObamaCare.
I can see it now: The administration's argument will mirror the one I heard during a recent news program debate: "Well, obesity costs all of us a lot of money, so the government has a right to demand that we take care of ourselves."
Ah, yes ... just as the government has a right to tell us what to drive, where to set our thermostats, what to say on the Internet and how much salt we can consume. For our own good, of course. And because it's paying some of our bill. With our money.
Gee, haven't I seen this show before, starring the banks and automakers? Obama administration offers taxpayer-funded candy, candy is accepted ... and like the Mafia, administration then asserts that since it's done you a favor, it has the right to tell you what to do.
Oh, for a Fourth Estate that cared about the big picture (government encroachment into our personal freedoms) when it doesn't involve a Republican White House.
As it is, the mainstream media are starting to remind me of the cow in "A Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" that wanted to be eaten.
#25 Posted by Upon Further Review, CJR on Sun 18 Jul 2010 at 09:44 AM
I too am concerned about this devious conspiracy between CJR and the government, who as we speak are plotting to force us to eat nothing but organic arugula to lose weight! After the mandatory mileage standards, what's next? Mandatory BMI standards! And CJR is working overtime to tank the truth about ObamaCare, which proves they are in on the plot. Of course! It all makes sense.
Mr. "Upon Further Review" has your number, Curtis. The game is over.
#26 Posted by Tom, CJR on Sun 18 Jul 2010 at 09:33 PM
Gee, Tom, I'm dreadfully sorry to interrupt your little Saul Alinsky "play the man instead of the ball" stand-up routine, but the Daily Caller's ongoing excerpts from JournoList confirm any suspicions about a great many American journalists being in the tank for Obama and the Democrats.
Let's see ... we have discussions about using bogus charges of "racism" against conservative commentators to distract from the Rev. Wright controversy ... we have Joe Klein of Time magazine admitting he wrote a column based on JournoList strategy sessions on how to undermine Sarah Palin ... we have Chris Hayes of the Nation saying he's going on TV and acknowledging the help he received from the JournoList banter ... and well, need I go on?
Obviously, objective journalism has been replaced by unabashed political activism.
So Tommy boy, you're more than welcome to continue with your "Move along, folks -- nothing to see here" patter, but when reality comes straight from the horses' mouths, it tends to trump your shopworn (and desperate) "belittle the messenger and hope it negates the message" game.
#27 Posted by Upon Further Review, CJR on Fri 23 Jul 2010 at 11:07 AM