#Occupy Wall Street. To cover or not to cover?
That is of course the question that, 13 days into the group’s occupation, has been kicked around in the blogosphere ever since Current TV’s Keith Olbermann got outraged and alleged there was a “media blackout” of the nascent protest movement. He was also outraged by coverage that was apparently published in spite of the blackout—by that “crap” paper the New York Observer and the “protest critics of the The New York Times.” That coverage was, according to Olbermann, unfair. Yet, while the Times’s and the Observer’s reporters actually went to Occupy Wall Street grounds before issuing their opinions while Olbermann, well, didn’t.
Regardless, the host’s fury, egged on by irritated occupants of Wall Street, prompted some self-reflection by the media. NPR’s ombudsman gave reason why the station hadn’t covered the protest; Jay Rosen found the rationale uncompelling. The Atlantic mocked the media for spending more time covering the non-coverage (without really coming down about whether the occupation should be covered more). Other outlets seemed to bend to their will—Time ran a story titled “Occupy Wall Street Protest: 12 Days and Little Sign of Slowing Down,” saying, somewhat puzzlingly, that the organization seems to have more staying power than ever with a crowd of just 300—though OWS had promised 20,000 and Time noted that on day one there were a reported 3,000—sleeping at the protest ground. Matt Stoller on his naked capitalism blog argued that the media got it wrong in interpreting and reporting OWS as a protest; he calls it a “church of dissent”; it’s an interesting perspective, but maybe not one that helps the case for greater coverage.
Meanwhile, Capital New York’s Joe Pompeo crunched the numbers and penned a smart post about how there really is no media blackout. Occupy Wall Street has been covered by the mainstream media—and been covered a fair amount. It’s just not the kind of coverage the protest group—which produces a lot of media in its own right—was hoping for.
When you take Pompeo’s media coverage tally into account, there’s a case to be made that Occupy Wall Street has gotten as least as much media attention as it deserves.
For a perhaps concurring perspective from the world of social science, consider the canonical work of American sociologist and political scientist Charles Tilly (he died in 2008) who developed widely-accepted criteria of what constitutes a ‘social movement.’ Yes, the media is not academia—there is of course a place for things that are timely, newsworthy, and important—the police’s questionable use of pepper spray on protesters for example—but in deciding the extent to cover a nascent protest movement, to which national media attention is oxygen, it is worth considering his criteria.
According to Tilly, the basic elements of a social movement are:
1. A sustained, organized public effort making collective claims on target audiences: let us call it a campaign;
2. Employment of combinations from among the following forms of political action: creation of special purpose associations and coalitions, public meetings, solemn processions, vigils, rallies, demonstrations, petition drives, statements to and in public media, and pamphleteering; call the variable ensemble of performances the social-movement repertoire. and
3. Participants’ concerted public representations of worthiness, unity, numbers and commitment (WUNC) on the part of themselves and/or their constituencies: call them WUNC displays.
Now, let’s look at Occupy Wall Street.
Condition 1: Campaign. OWS vows it will be a sustained effort—they swear they’re not budging from Zuccotti Park—but 13 days in, it’s a little early to tell, eviction looms, and we’ll have to take them at their word. Organized? By some press accounts and the looks of the livestream feed, not really. Yet, saying the group is totally disorganized is also unfair: a visit to OWS’s various websites quickly proves the group has some semblance of structure and organization, and very much has it together on the internet.
New York City General Assemblies are an open, participatory and horizontally organized process through which we are building the capacity to constitute ourselves in public as autonomous collective forces within and against the constant crises of our times.

Why apply Tilly's criteria to Occupy Wall Street alone, instead of looking at the broader set of activities of which it is one part? When you look at National People's Action, SEIU, PICO, and others engaged in efforts to "Make Wall Street Pay" and find "A New Bottom Line," you have a real context in which to place Occupy Wall Street. It's hard to say that there's NOT a social movement, once you do your homework.
#1 Posted by So, Just Sayin', CJR on Fri 30 Sep 2011 at 11:30 AM
I live in Canada. If a group of 5,000 Syrians protested the economic system in their country and 80 people were arrested, and 5 peaceful women were pepper sprayed in the face by a zealous police inspector the story would be front page news here. Our national newspaper, TV, radio stations have not run a single story on the Occupy Wall Street events. I found out about it watching the Colbert Report. There is certainly a news black out in Canada.
#2 Posted by Izzy, CJR on Fri 30 Sep 2011 at 11:44 AM
When the demonstrators are 'right-wing', the coverage assumes the tone of Margaret Mead observing the Trobriand Islanders. When it is 'left-wing', the coverage emphasizes the 'issues' giving rise to the protests. I'd like to see some of that anthropological/sociological approach to the Wall Street and other left-wing protests.
It's not as though left-wing protestors are not easily identified, demographically speaking, as social types. We've all seen the bumper stickers. Tea Partiers got a lot of 'you protest government spending, and yet you want your Social Security' coverage. Well, there is cognitive dissonence on the Left, too - though people drawing their paychecks from corporate-invested Columbia University might not be able to see that clearly.
#3 Posted by Mark Richard, CJR on Fri 30 Sep 2011 at 12:33 PM
A couple hundred wobblies, anarchists, and unemployed critical theory graduates protesting the sins of capitalsim is hardly newsworthy.
#4 Posted by Mike H, CJR on Fri 30 Sep 2011 at 12:41 PM
Why bother with the analysis when we can watch the occupation of Wall Street in real time with our own eyes?
http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/nyse/
I hope the streets will be this occupied in Manhattan next time I'm in town!
#5 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Fri 30 Sep 2011 at 01:06 PM
"When it is 'left-wing', the coverage emphasizes the 'issues' giving rise to the protests."
What coverage? By Al Gore and bloggers? The tea party had their own cable news channel promoting it.
"There is certainly a news black out in Canada."
Remember Officer Bubbles?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVwXOKZh4Os
You'd be one of three. Since the WTO protests in 1999, no-one has taken this movement seriously. Anti-war protests? Nothing. G-20 protests? Pickle. RNC convention 2004? What pier 57? High amounts of police violence, extreme crowd control tactics, escalating security budgets? (A billion in Canada for the G-20?) See no evil.
There's a history here.
#6 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Fri 30 Sep 2011 at 02:41 PM
@Mike H: But somehow, even smaller numbers of Tea Baggers protesting in their flipped-collar polo shirts WERE considered newsworthy.
And incidentally, I doubt CJR would have made the same mistake Erika Fry makes in her piece applying Tilly's framework. My guess is that she would have applied Tilly's schema to the whole melange of Tea Party organizations and events, rather than, say, just Tea Party Nation. As opposed to this case, where she looks at Occupy Wall Street in isolation, as though it's the only thing happening.
#7 Posted by So, Just Sayin', CJR on Fri 30 Sep 2011 at 02:49 PM
The movement is gaining momentum after two weeks and Occupy movements are popping up all over the country! Stand up together and use your voice to give to those without through solidarity. Tax the rich and feed the poor- you are the 99%! See my Occupy Wall Street painting and Anonymous homage on my artist’s blog at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2011/09/occupywallstreet.html where you can also see videos of the protests and police brutality as well as get other sources for coverage of the movement.
#8 Posted by Brandt Hardin, CJR on Fri 30 Sep 2011 at 05:19 PM
The Tea Partiers are a national movement that transformed Congress in one of the biggest political upheavals in a century. These guys are the fringe of the fringe that think Nader or Kuchinich are too right-wing. They might have big mouths, but they are totally irrelevant.
#9 Posted by JLD, CJR on Fri 30 Sep 2011 at 09:06 PM
The fact that this is-this-a-story?-story was written at all means that this is a story, and like most other outlets, you have pretty much missed what matters in it. So go out and be journalists for a change. Ask some questions, such as: why are people doing this? That's the story.
#10 Posted by McKenzie Wark, CJR on Fri 30 Sep 2011 at 10:28 PM
Fox News Radio has a piece today on the Wall Street protests, including a statement from one of the protesters...
#11 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Sat 1 Oct 2011 at 02:45 PM
Per my comment above, the NYT's story today on the protests quotes some of the participants. None are asked tough 'gotcha' questions. Two are students at that institution for children of poverty, the New School for Social Research.
We would get better and more predictive journalism if journalists understood that almost all such gatherings are self-interested, and almost all of politics is a struggle for power among competing interest groups. The career of many rich and powerful persons (that of Bruce Wasserstein, Wendy's brother, comes to mind) suggests that membership in the organized Left is just another strategy for personal gain.
#12 Posted by Mark Richard, CJR on Sat 1 Oct 2011 at 05:37 PM
And while the press did its level best to smear the Tea Partiers as violent, "Occupy Wall Street" (which promotes violence in its very name) is given a free pass. No "gotcha" questions for the left, despite the fact that they have no coherent political philosophy whatsoever.
#13 Posted by JLD, CJR on Sat 1 Oct 2011 at 09:38 PM
I thought "The collusion between wall street money men and political campaign chests has produced a "lemon socialism" in which rich men can take risks, pocket the billion dollar profits, and socialize the trillion dollar losses. This is corrosive to an American representative democracy in which free people consent to elect representatives who should work to the collective benefit of the republic. Until the people confront these owners, who have bought our system and perverted it to serve themselves at the cost of everyone else, we will not be free. The choice is between serf or citizen." is pretty coherent.
At least as coherent as the "Obama raised our taxes and is hilter" lunacy that came out of the tea party.
#14 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Sun 2 Oct 2011 at 12:09 AM
Even if we accept the extremely shaky proposition that media coverage of an ongoing unusual event ought to be guided by social scientists' notions of what constitute a "social movement," one would think that the author of an article advancing that proposition and trying to apply it to a post-Seattle, post-Tahrir Square phenomenon might at least look to the work of social scientists other than a dead one whose experience of such movements appears to date back to a time when "solemn processions" were an expected element of them...
Yes, I'm cherrypicking a particularly archaic passage from Tilly's work, but I trust that I'm making my point. Old Media already has a reputation for being incurious, but this is a bit much. Mightn't the energy spent digging for reasons not to cover OWS be better spent investigating the phenomenon itself?
#15 Posted by PeeeeCeeee, CJR on Sun 2 Oct 2011 at 05:37 AM
Every few years, the commie/liberal kids flock into town to bitch and moan for other peoples' stuff.
A few years ago they were "anarchists".. Now they're "whateverists"...
It's nothing but a juvenile hissy-fit - a bunch of overfed, undereducated, ill-informed spoiled brats who think they're entitled to other's people property and labor, and would rather bitch and moan than actually work for a living...
Big whoop...
When we see some policy changes as a result of this latest hissy fit - when we see incumbents kicked out of office, or legislators cowtowing to these commies, or anything actually happening as result of this silliness - get back to me...
Then I'll give a crap about them or what they say.
Until then.. Who cares? Why is it news?
#16 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Sun 2 Oct 2011 at 12:39 PM
@Izzy
Now abuse of these protesters is a different story.
If what you claim actually happened - if innocent protesters are being assaulted or wrongly arrested (as they were in DC a few years ago) then the press should hop all over the government like white on rice. No question about it.
I don't give a crap about the "message" of these pimple-faced twirps (as if there is a coherent message to be found among them) but I am certainly not advocating turning a blind eye toward abusive police tactics in dealing with them.
#17 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Sun 2 Oct 2011 at 12:48 PM
The police response to the left only happens EVERY TIME (see my above post). You may not agree with what these people are saying, but the police often literally take liberties with the steel drum playing, puppet making, peaceniks that they would never pull on the right wing gun crazies because the perception of these groups are completely different.
With right winger protests, the principle at play is threat mitigation since these crowds are often armed and their backers have deep pockets.
With left wingers, the principle at play is nuisance control. You don't read a bug its rights before you step on it. Confine and spray, confine and tase, infiltrate, monitor, and incite. Left wingers are supposed to be meek and turn the other cheek, or else the whole society condemns them, and that's which makes them vulnerable to abuse by authorities. "Whatchu gonna do? That's right, turn the other cheek. As Breitbart says, we know which side has all the guns."
All these protestors have is the knowledge that history will not look kindly upon the defenders of thieves and warmongers, just as it didn't when they were the defenders of segregated schools and busses. At times, history seems a very slow process.
#18 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Sun 2 Oct 2011 at 01:58 PM
Yeah...Well that "peacenik" thing is stretching it...
I was there to witness the IMF hissy-fit in DC and I was there to witness two Tea Party events, and while I saw all kinds of violence (rock-throwing, sign-throwing, vandalism, fire-setting, mask-wearing, etc) at the IMF mess, I didn't see a single criminal act at either of the Tea Party events.
Apples and oranges, hissy fit-wise.
However... I'm not a Tea Partier... I'm a libertarian.
If the government is abusing its power against commies, then unquestionably the press should do its part to stop it. Commies have the right to blither their silly nonsense all they want (if they can summon the free food and corporate-sponsored energy drinks to avoid working by pouting, that is).
Usually these abuse allegations are blown out of proportion by the commies in order to seek publicity, so I'll take their claims with a grain of salt, but there is no question that abuses do occur. I saw some with my own eyes at the IMF "riot". And any government abuse is one too many.
#19 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Sun 2 Oct 2011 at 02:45 PM
Black Bloc != peaceniks
KKK/Antiabortion Fundamentalists != Tea Party
Can we agree?
#20 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Sun 2 Oct 2011 at 03:43 PM
http://www.balloon-juice.com/2011/10/02/a-reader-on-the-brooklyn-bridge/
"I saw dozens of police officers in white shirts attempting to stop the people who were marching. They began pulling seemingly random people out of the crowd and putting plastic handcuffs on them. The handcuffed protesters were then taken to waiting vans. At a certain point the marchers sat down and then they started to chant, “Let us go! Let us go!” From where I was standing it was hard to understand why they couldn’t turn around if they wanted to go. Only later did I learn that the police had “kettled” them, that is trapped them in place using plastic orange fencing. It’s obvious that the police intended to use this strategy, which is why they made no attempt to stop marchers from going onto the roadway in the first place and why they had so many vans standing at the ready. Trap people on a road and them arrest them for being there."
There is a history.
#21 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Sun 2 Oct 2011 at 03:50 PM
Coherent and worth a read.
#22 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 3 Oct 2011 at 10:11 AM
Definitely NOT worth a read...
Let's sum it up...
"Give us stuff!... Do work for us!..."
Yeah, there you have the making of a populist revolution that will sweep the country, alright.
"Education is a right?"
Says who?
These commies want the government to force somebody to educate them?
Stalin and Mao had the same idea.
It doesn't work, kids. Been there, done that.
Go home and get a job.
#23 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Mon 3 Oct 2011 at 11:52 AM
Ahhhhhh. A glowing review from our oft posting resident of Bizzaro-world, padkiller. How's the "Poor bad! Rich GOOD!" shtick treating ya?
In other news, other good reading on how the financialization of the global economy has screwed both sides of the Atlantic while their societies are looted by their top 1 percents. It's democracy vs oligarchy and the oligarchs have the upper hand. They are rigging the rules so that they can't lose and we won't win, but they've done this before leaving countries destitute and inequality entrenched. They won in Argentina until the people came out with pots and pans and overturned the carts of the corrupt system. If people with pots and pans can overturn the oligarchy and lead South America into recovery, the rest of the world can do it too. We are screwed now, but we won't be screwed forever. We've identified the enemy, and now we can start taking steps to turn them back.
#24 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 3 Oct 2011 at 02:29 PM
I did a widely circulated story on this "occupation" showing the ideology of this protest, which is clear in the headline. Here is a direct link:
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/10502940-is-wall-street-occupation-a-communist-rally- .
It can also be seen at: www.revaustinmiles.com, and yes, while a little unclear at the moment, it IS an agenda in the making.
#25 Posted by Rev. Austin Miles, CJR on Mon 3 Oct 2011 at 02:43 PM
The difference is...
America isn't full of commies, like Argentina is.
As the recent elections have shown... As has poll, after poll, after poll shown in convincing fashion.
Americans, in general, love "inequality"... Inequality is a G O O D thing in a free society Indeed, inequality is not only an indicator of, but also a direct result of any free society. Inequality means people who work hard and who make good decisions live better than people who are lazy and make stupid decisions.
Americans don't begrudge wealth.. They admire and envy it. Entire television programs and magazines are devoted to this admiration and envy.
Now... PERMANENT government-enforced inequality is an evil that most Americans (except commies) detest. Like slavery (that Republicans fought to eliminate and that Democrats fought to keep). Or like the permanent welfare-dependent underclass that the commies have created in our midst.
But economic inequality coupled with the means to succeed is what this country is all about.
This class warfare thing that Obama is trying to sell is a silly last-ditch effort - the same commie nonsense that the American electorate has already soundly rejected.
Such tripe might play among the lazy, spoiled kids who can spare the time and money to play their bongos on Wall Street in their L.L. Bean tents, but this stupidity is DOA on Main Street.
The solution to our economic problem is simple:
1. Cut the federal government in half
2. Eliminate corporate income tax.
3. Stop paying people not to work.
4. Get rid of financial regulations.
5. Prosecute and incarcerate those who break the law - wheter Bernie Madoff or the commie professor who choses to "work under the table" to steal unemployment benefits.
In short, create opportunity, reduce the cost of doing business, and penalize corruption.
Do these things and the American economy will roar to life and the American standard of living will soar.
#26 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Mon 3 Oct 2011 at 03:22 PM
What people don't largely understand is that there is a culture/class war that has been going on and that it's not just simple rich vs poor (though that factors in) and left vs right (which, if you analyze the policies they've both prescribed, have more in common than they have different (they are both backed by the same people and have similar advisors. Not much room for difference between Rubin and Peterson)).
Right now it's a conflict between creditors and debtors which is what you'd expect in a financial sector lead economy. Creditors took too many risks globally and do not want to pay for investments gone bad. Debtors, under the advice of creditors, took too much money out and have little chance of paying the creditors as the economy collapses. Creditors bankroll governments and control policy instruments like central banks and fund economists who advocate measures that benefit them to the detriment of everyone else.
Therefore, the present course of the global economy is to prevent creditors (and the investors who they are in debt to) from getting wiped out and to make debtors, and their governments, indentured subjects. Either that or they will crash the economy - again.
You cannot correct a economic problem caused by excessive debt recklessly given by creditors (criminal creditors, in fact, guilty of multiple frauds which they will never see a day in jail for if they get their way) by making policy that favors creditors to the detriment of debtors.
As you extract ever more blood from stones, the economy compacts and the debts increase. You have to create policies to help the debtors who make up "Main Street" because, in failing to do so, Main Street gets shuttered.
The "occupy wall street" movement is about confronting creditors who want to pass on the pain they've created for everyone else by being stupid, greedy, and evil.
And only idiots, who don't really believe in the "free market" and who turn their eyes from the damage their "free market" caused during the Bush and Clinton years, begrudge them.
#27 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 3 Oct 2011 at 03:51 PM
Look what I stumbled upon:
http://www.creditslips.org/files/kuttner-on-past-future-bkcy.pdf
And a page full of linkies on the subject:
http://hlpronline.com/2011/07/the-debtor-creditor-divide/
#28 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 3 Oct 2011 at 04:02 PM
"America isn't full of commies, like Argentina is."
PS. Argentina wasn't full of "commies" neither until the idiot free marketers sold off vast portions of the country and watched as the dollar peg and the eventual asset collapse wiped the country out.
Keep it up with the pain talk. You're making "commie" converts with every syllable.
#29 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 3 Oct 2011 at 04:08 PM
Thimbles wrote: "Creditors took too many risks globally and do not want to pay for investments gone bad. Debtors, under the advice of creditors, took too much money out and have little chance of paying the creditors as the economy collapses"
padikiller responds: "As the economy collapses" is the operative phrase here.
Commies assume that the economy is static and that "wealth" is fixed, when in fact the economy is limited only by effort, and wealth can be either created or destroyed.
The solution to the problem - the one that gets creditors, gets debtors off the hook and make everybody wealthier is to stop the economy from collapsing and to start the economy expanding.
And there is one, and only one, way to make the economy expand - to create wealth... And that is to DO WORK that people want to have done. Expend effort.
Only work adds wealth. Churning money by robbing from the "rich" to give to the "poor" does nothing for the economy because it does not add work - there is no added value of labor in such thievery. Taxing the "rich" to pay for dumbass government boondoggles doesn't work (just interview a few Solyndra employees to verify this truism). On the other hand, a voluntary transaction in which a "rich" person hires a "poor" person to do work actually does create wealth for both parties. A new house for somebody where no house existed before. A new car from raw goods. An improved product. A cleaner carpet. Etc.. And money in the pocket of the newly hired worker.
So the solution to the "collapsing economy" is simple.
Instead of paying people NOT to work... Make it easier for people to pay other people to DO WORK. And instead of punishing people for trying to make wealth, encourage people to do so.
It isn't complicated.
#30 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Mon 3 Oct 2011 at 05:13 PM
This article's tack is to construct a definition of what constitutes a social movement, rather than to address the actual question of whether or not there has been an actual media blackout.
According to the free online dictionary, I think the appropriate definition of media blackout this article refers to would be this one: "a. A suppression, as of news, by censorship."
Now, with that in mind, why the obfuscation, CJR? The question is not so much whether the protests are getting their "fair share of press" as it is whether or not there is censorship of the story by major media outlets.
To address that question, I give these quotes and a link:
"To a large extent, the blackout is real. The New York Times and other local papers didn’t give the movement headlines until almost a week in, with the exception of a cover story in Metro that first Wednesday."
- that is something I noticed myself. I found out about it through a Youtube posting on my Facebook page, and was baffled by the lack of coverage in the mainstream media. -
"Twitter has similarly blocked #occupywallstreet from being listed as a trending topic. (This may be because it keeps being throttled by Anonymous bots—or, more conspiratorially, because a considerable stake in the company is owned by JPMorgan Chase, which also just donated $4.5 million to the NYPD.)"
http://www.nationofchange.org/occupy-wall-street-media-blackout-1317615506
This of course does not include the stories of journalists being arrested, or the claim that this is not the first time our public servants have been given money by private corporations to protect their interests during protests...all of which is suggestive of a conflict of interest which is likely to lead to censorship:
http://www.nationofchange.org/occupy-wall-street-enters-third-week-protests-grows-nationwide-1317657810
While contemplating becoming a Journalism major, I discovered that at least 80% of our mainstream media - including books, newspapers, tv stations, cable networks, magazines, movie production companies - is owned by literally just 5 or 6 massive multinational corporations. That was enough to get me to decide NOT to go into journalism. Now, you tell me: do you think there isn't a vested interested in maintaining the status quo?
I tend to think that for these reasons there has been censorship, albeit self-imposed by the news outlets. But don't take my word for it. Do your own homework.
I realize that CJR has been known in times past for good journalism, but sorry. This ain't it.
#31 Posted by Michellosaurus, CJR on Mon 3 Oct 2011 at 11:27 PM
"You don’t have some inherent right just to, you know, get a certain amount of profit..." - President Barack Hussein Obama
The sooner we toss this commie on the street, the better.
#32 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Tue 4 Oct 2011 at 10:54 AM
There he goes again, the big bag commie doing big bad commie things like NO OVERSIGHT over and and NO SANCTIONING of BANKS while the banks extort the public.
"Documents obtained by ProPublica — government audit reports of GMAC, the country’s fifth-largest mortgage servicer — provide the first detailed look at the program’s oversight. They show that the company operated with almost no oversight for the program’s first eight months. When auditors did finally conduct a major review more than a year into the program, they found that GMAC had seriously mishandled many loan modifications — miscalculating homeowner income in more than 80 percent of audited cases, for example. Yet, GMAC suffered no penalty. GMAC itself said it hasn’t reversed a single foreclosure as a result of a government audit.
The documents also reveal that government auditors signed off on GMAC loan-modification denials that appear to violate the program’s own rules, calling into question the rigor and competence of the reviews.
Some of the auditors’ mistakes are “appalling,” said Diane Thompson of the National Consumer Law Center, an advocacy group. “It suggests the government isn’t taking the auditing process seriously.”...
Abuses of the foreclosure process, in which banks and mortgage servicers cut corners or even created false documents to move troubled borrowers out of their homes, have been extensively documented, along with failures by government to regulate the industry. But the lapses revealed in the documents obtained by ProPublica stand out because they occurred within the government’s main effort to prevent foreclosures, the Home Affordable Modification Program."
I guess the creditors rule in bizzaroworld communism. Once again, Paddyland proves itself a place entirely removed from our reality.
#33 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 4 Oct 2011 at 02:18 PM
Hmm:maybe a fact chejker is needed here at CJR.
Via FAIR.org:
http://www.fair.org/blog/2011/10/04/whitewashing-the-blackout-of-occupy-wall-street/
#34 Posted by johnson, CJR on Tue 4 Oct 2011 at 05:15 PM
Thimbles wrote: "But the lapses revealed in the documents obtained by ProPublica stand out because they occurred within the government’s main effort to prevent foreclosures, the Home Affordable Modification Program."
padikiller responds: You mean a government effort to intervene in the markets didn't work? There were "lapses" in a government program?
Whoda thunkit?
I mean we had that great TARP success... Followed by the stimulus miracle... And Cash for Clunkers.... Solyndra... LightSquared... etc.. etc. etc..
Who says the government can run things right?
#35 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Tue 4 Oct 2011 at 05:47 PM
Is the black commie radical taking away all the profits of the banksters, via taxation or regulation, or is he propping up the banksters and actively looking away from their dubious but profitable activities because THEY OWN HIM.
#36 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 4 Oct 2011 at 06:45 PM
What does the man's race have to do with anything, Thimbles?
#37 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Tue 4 Oct 2011 at 06:56 PM
Are you going to answer the question or are you going to run away with attempts to change the subject?
Is Obama a "commie" who's oppressing the banks and preventing them from taking too much profit or is he actively assisting them with getting away from the crisis they created with all their profits and bonuses intact?
You got words, I got evidence. Which is more compelling?
And back on the topic:
"Memo To The Media: It’s Not ‘Anti-Capitalist’ To Protest An Industry That Was Saved By Trillions Of Taxpayer Dollars"
http://thinkprogress.org/media/2011/10/04/335360/not-anti-capitalist-to-protest-wall-street/
#38 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 4 Oct 2011 at 07:29 PM
What does the man's race have to do with anything, Thimbles?
#39 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Tue 4 Oct 2011 at 07:42 PM
If you ain't gonna answer my question, I sure as hell don't need to answer yours, coward.
#40 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 4 Oct 2011 at 08:49 PM
Can ANYBODY tell me why Obama's race is relevant here?
Or why Thimbles thinks it is?
#41 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Tue 4 Oct 2011 at 08:57 PM
Does a communist defend banks and bank profits? What's so hard about that question that you have to run away from it? You sure have an easy time throwing the commie slur around, why not defend it?
#42 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 4 Oct 2011 at 09:53 PM
Who says "commie" is a "slur"? Why isn't it a badge of pride?
And what does Obama's race have to do with anything, Thimbles?
#43 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Tue 4 Oct 2011 at 10:14 PM
"Who says "commie" is a "slur"?"
It's a slur when you apply a term associated with Stalin and Pol Pot to people who just want basic regulation, enforcement of the law, and a government effort to counter a deflating economy.
Just like it's a slur to equate Obama to 1970's black radicals and to pretend whatever he's saying when he's on the campaign is somehow indicative of his revolutionary desires.
He's done nothing but preserve the privileges of the bankrupt elite and cover up their crimes and yet you still call him a commie. That's a slur. Do you care to explain the charge or not? Simple Question.
#44 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 5 Oct 2011 at 01:44 AM
I do not care to attempt to "explain" anything to Thimbles in order to give him cover for his latest racism.
This is the same guy, after all, who claims that columnists should be held to different standards based on skin color.
One can lead a stubborn mule to the Lake of Reason, but one cannot force elucidation upon a recalcitrant jackass...
Can ANYBODY tell me why Obama's race is relevant here?
Or why Thimbles thinks it is?
I'd like to know why Thimbles thinks the color of our President's skin means anything in the context of this discussion.
Anyone have a clue? Anyone? Bueller?
#45 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Wed 5 Oct 2011 at 06:45 AM
Cheap, Padi. "Thimbles used a right wing caricature in contrast with actual reality, therefore HE'S THE RACIST even though I'm the one using slurs! Winrar is me!"
The only one guilty of racism here is the one using caricatures and slurs to dehumanize poor and the people he doesn't agree with. Reagan had his "young bucks eating steak", you have your "steak and ho ho's". Fox news has its "Obama is a radical hanging out with new black panthers and Reverand Wright!", you have your "he's a commie and he's engaged in class warfare". You guys are the ones making it about race, you're just trying not to be overt about it. Don't get mad at me just because I hear your dog whistles and point them out.
So I guess now you can explain why a commie protects the banks?
#46 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 5 Oct 2011 at 10:14 AM
The only one bringing up race, directly or by implication, is you, Thimbles.
YOU are the one who advocates a race-based standard for journalism.
YOU are the one who makes the ridiculous claim that "steak and Ho Ho's" (in the context of food stamp purchases) are "racist code words".
This is typical liberal hypocrisy...
The same hypocrisy that has liberals calling our President "Barack the Magic Negro"... That had Harry Reid calling Obama a "'light-skinned' African American 'with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.’ " That lauded Sen. "White Nigger" Byrd, a former KKK recruiter, and elevated him to Majority Leader..
I'm just wondering what relevance President Obama's race has to the discussion here? Why did you bring it up?
#47 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Wed 5 Oct 2011 at 11:48 AM
Getting back to 'coverage', The Daily Caller - often mocked by CJR, natch, given its politics - makes an observation more subversive than the lamestream media has been able to share, which is that 'Occupy Wall Street' is a disproportionately 'white' and 'male'
gathering. Since lamestreamers could not obsess enough about the 'whiteness' of the Tea Party rallies, you would think that they would bring those crackerjack powers of perception to these mechanical left-wing responses to the Tea Party, but no such luck. The idea that there is something specifically 'white' about much left-wing culture is too radical for most journalists to handle, which is why The Daily Caller and other cheeky outlets are welcome. Uh, diversity and all.
To be sure there has been some light skepticism of Occupy Wall Street's denizens that I'm sure the orthodox press has been guilted into, even at NPR, to give them their due.
#48 Posted by Mark Richard, CJR on Wed 5 Oct 2011 at 12:45 PM
Speaking of race... Good point.
The overwhelmingly white male composition of these hissy fits is a longstanding reality. The IMF hissy fit was the same way - predominantly young, white, suburban males looking for an adrenaline release. I remember being at Union Station one evening in DC in 2002 when the crowds of pasty white boys were pouring into town and out onto North Capitol Street (a predominantly black neighborhood). It was quite a juxtaposition.
This latest hissy is a little different in its schizoid motivation - many of the "protesters" seem to want no government or a new government, most of them seem to want bigger government, and a small but vocal fringe seems to want nothing more than to bitch and moan.
I suppose the majority of them are unified in their common desire for other people's stuff, but there doesn't seem to be any coherent political message among them.
#49 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Wed 5 Oct 2011 at 01:04 PM
I see. You are going to continue to avoid questions about your slurs and lies. Padi is going to continue to label people who protect banks, their profits, and their criminal activities as communists. Fine judge you are on the subject of race, or any other.
"YOU are the one who advocates a race-based standard for journalism."
As was said in the thread it came up in:
http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/politico_explores_talk_radios.php
"If you don't get the difference between a white dad saying "Hey boy." to his son and a white police officer saying "Hey boy." to a black pedestrian, then you aren't going to understand. Words mean different things depending on who's speaking them and the context they're spoken in."
Like when someone uses "steak and Ho Ho's" over and over in the course of discussing the poor. Those are images pulled from racial stereotypes coined by the right to discuss ghetto life. Your stereotypes, not mine.
You are the one slurring everyone you disagree with as a commie and using + defending right wing stereotypes. Now you're just being a distraction for your wallstreet buddies.
Cheers, cheap-ass.
#50 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 5 Oct 2011 at 01:24 PM
If you look at the pictures of the ows and past demonstrations, it's not hard to see a high female prescence or a high minority prescence, particularly Hispanic since in all these deals, the Central and South American community gets hit hard.
Furthermore, 7 in 10 people are white. You'd expect a 30% color crowd in these pictures. In the tea party protests, I guarantee it wasn't 30%, 10%, or 3%.
More (on) crack journalism from the Daily Caller.
#51 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 5 Oct 2011 at 01:44 PM
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/10/05/occupy-wall-streets-message-more-than-a-sound-bite/
"If you’re like most people who are uneasy with the outsized power of finance, chances are you can’t boil down your concerns to a pithy sound bite. So why is there such ridicule of the protesters “occupying” Wall Street for lacking a coherent message?...
That reading jives with my own visits to Zuccotti Park – aka, “Liberty Square” – just blocks from the New York Stock Exchange. The clear thread linking a mish-mash of grievances – on everything from education to healthcare to corporate campaign cash – is that the wealthy are running America at the expense of ordinary people.
If this sounds radical, the hyperbolic blathering of dreadlocked twentysomethings, consider that a slew of top political scientists have been saying the same thing for nearly a decade. For example, one of the most authoritative recent studies of democracy and inequality, by the Princeton political scientist Larry Bartels, found that “the preferences of people at the bottom third of the income distribution appear to have no apparent impact on the behavior of their elected officials.”
The protesters are not just on the right track with their sweeping critique of inequality, they are also in the right place. The financialization of the U.S. economy is closely linked to America’s drift toward plutocracy. The triumph of “shareholder value” over all other goals for the modern corporation was brought to us, starting in the 1980s, by Wall Street’s leveraged buyout kings and private equity sharks, as well as by bonus hungry traders obsessed with near-term gains. In turn, a narrow focus on the bottom line has undermined American workers – and the middle class writ large – by justifying any and all cost-cutting measures that can boost quarterly earnings, from foreign outsourcing to slashing benefits to busting unions. Nearly all the forces typically blamed for rising inequality – globalization, new technologies, declining unionization – have had a more devastating impact on U.S. living standards thanks to Wall Street greed."
Or if you prefer a video (from a while back):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSoglDcRbAg
Goddamn this has been a long time in coming.
#52 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 5 Oct 2011 at 04:26 PM
This thing's turning into a circus now. Everybody's pissed but there is no message. It's like a flash mob without a motive.
I'm thinking about taking the Acela up there this weekend, if the thing hasn't fizzled out.
Now that heavy-hitters are sniffing some political blood and it will be interesting to see if the unions can steer this thing into any particular direction.
This has got to be toxic to Obama - just as the Tea Party was toxic to the mainstream GOP - and perhaps even more so. The Tea Party at least had a unified message (limited government). These "occupiers" run the political gamut.
I think Obama's presidency may be at stake over the way he handles this matter.
#53 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Wed 5 Oct 2011 at 10:05 PM
Tell me more about how hard up the tea party was when it came to media coverage.
#54 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Fri 7 Oct 2011 at 01:39 PM
Tea Party coverage obsessed about the 'whiteness' of the rallies, something not noticed by lamestream media folk. No tough questions to young white men in dreadlocks about this. CNN had to fire a reporter for arguing with a Tea Partier who called Obama a 'socialist', but nobody has challenged any assertions by the children of the bourgeoisie who seem to make up this crowd. Nancy Pelosi called for a legal investigation of the Tea Party rallies, but thicker-skinned Republicans have just shrugged. Yeah, lots of Tea Party coverage - like extensive discussion of John Lewis' lie that he was called a racial epithet. Lots of 'gotcha' observations about how the Tea Partiers want to reduce the federal government, but want their Medicare, yada, yada, yada. But no similar observations about the cognitive dissonance of, let's say, academics supporting the rallies whose own employers depend heavily on 'Wall Street' for those endowment funds. No questioning of the class that these kids seem to come from - although it is fairly obvious that the students among them are much more likely to be enrolled at prestigious institutions than at community colleges. Instead, the NY Times and others are chattering excitedly about whether the Left is finally getting energized. The Tea Party's themes engaged otherwise apolitical people - I know, because I know a couple. (Do you?) But the Occupy groups are the same old same old.
#55 Posted by Mark Richard, CJR on Fri 7 Oct 2011 at 08:32 PM
who cares?
With the expansion of social networking, the mainstream media is becoming less relevant every day. The mainstream media has become more of apropoganda machine than a news source.
#56 Posted by Grover, CJR on Sat 8 Oct 2011 at 05:49 PM
@ Mark Richard Not true. Media, especially Fox News made sure we understood what the Tea (Taxed Enough Already) folks were about. On the other hand, when Tea Partiers were interviewed it became clear that they weren't sure about the mission except to lower their taxes.
#57 Posted by Kate, CJR on Sun 16 Oct 2011 at 10:35 AM
To Kate, we will probably have to agree to disagree. I can only repeat that the Tea Partiers were confronted in non-Fox News framing with the 'contradiction' of wanting federal spending cut vs. their support of Medicare. By instructive contrast, the NYT did a story on a Tea Partier, kid named Hall on Saturday. It did note (no surpises to amused anti-leftists) that he was a trust-fund baby, the offspring of two lawyers who were 'thrilled' at his social activism. But the reporter didn't quite get around to confronting thd kid about his own contradictions. I expect I could find a lot of hypocrisy, self-dramatization, and hatred down in Zuccotti Park and made it the dominant framing - you know, making political demonstrations a function of the demonstrators' personal 'issues'. But the lamestreamers look at the world like the urban Democrats most of them are, and feel threatened by the Tea Partiers in a way that they don't feel threatened by the Occupiers. And is shows in the coverage.
#58 Posted by Mark Richard, CJR on Mon 17 Oct 2011 at 12:40 PM