The attempted assassination of Arizona congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords has sparked a debate about the nature of political rhetoric in the years since President Obama took office. It’s tricky territory to navigate—not just because Jared Lee Loughner’s motives are as yet unclear, but also because violent flourishes have always been a part of the American political discourse. There have been a number of “opening shots” to the 2012 campaign already.
Martin J. Medhurst is the Distinguished Professor of Rhetoric and Communication at Baylor University, and a professor of political science whose research focuses on the nature and effectiveness of political rhetoric—he recently contributed to and co-edited 2008’s The Prospect of Presidential Rhetoric and Words of a Century: The Top 100 American Speeches, 1900-1999. Medhurst spoke to CJR assistant editor Joel Meares this morning about violence in political rhetoric, calls for politicians to clamp down on such rhetoric, and how journalists should report out this debate. This is an edited transcript of their exchange.
Much of the debate surrounding rhetoric and Saturday’s shooting seems predicated on the assumption that violent rhetoric of late has been somewhat different than it has been in the past. More extreme. Is this the case?
I don’t think the rhetoric has been particularly different. What has changed has been the channels of communication. Now we have a twenty-four-hour news cycle, multiple cable outlets, we have talk radio, we have the Internet and the various permutations there. That’s what’s different; it is not the nature of the rhetoric.
And what effect do those new channels have on political discourse and on the reach of violent rhetoric?
First of all, it invites more people in to participate. And in a sense that’s good—we want to have a more participatory democracy. But on the other hand it also opens the floodgates to people who would not participate in more mainstream channels, both because we have gatekeepers in more mainstream channels and because that engagement would require them to reveal themselves. The thing about the Internet is that people online can maintain anonymity and there are virtually no gatekeepers. Under those conditions, you find the most extreme views being expressed by people who have no way of being held accountable.
But what about messages that are coming from people who can be held accountable? A lot of people are focusing on Sarah Palin’s “crosshairs” graphic. What do these channels mean for the way that those kinds of messages can travel? These new technologies seem to mean that traditional violent rhetoric can travel further and be interpreted in different ways.
Absolutely. And I suspect that the mainstream would interpret that metaphorically. Politicians speak of targeting voters and targeting a district and targeting a demographic—they don’t think anything about that, because they understand that’s a metaphor. But sometimes people take metaphorical language literally and that’s where the problem comes in.
What are some of the dominant violent metaphors that have historically played in American politics?
There are all sorts. I am going to take out someone, or take them down, for example. Others say they’re going to go to battle with somebody. We conduct wars all the time. We have wars on drugs, wars on inflation, and wars on terror. Metaphorical violence permeates American political language and always has.
Do you think it’s an effective device?
No, I don’t, actually. And the more extreme it gets, the less so. To go from a battle to a war is an escalation, right? You can do a battle and somebody will win and somebody lose. But when you engage in war, that presumes that there will be victors and losers. But in point of fact, in most of the so-called wars—the war on drugs or inflation—there doesn’t appear to be any endpoint. I think that’s an indication that it isn’t a particularly useful metaphor. In fact, it’s probably the kind of metaphor that will backfire on you because when people come to the realization that it’s really not the kind of war, like WWII, where we will have a victory and sign a piece of paper and it will all be over, they will be discouraged.

I thought the comment about "people online can maintain anonymity and there are virtually no gatekeepers" was very useful in understanding this.
The question I have is: if you engage in heated rhetoric - even over-the-top rhetoric - but a sane person would not act on it - and a mentally ill person DOES act on it, do you have any responsibility? I don't know the answer - or if there is a single answer - but this seems to be the question I would want to resolve.
#1 Posted by Dan K, CJR on Mon 10 Jan 2011 at 04:42 PM
You know, with all due respect to Professor Medhurst, that's hogwash. Please read this link carefully, and then get back to me about how the vicious eliminationist rhetoric we have seen on the right in the past two years is in ANY WAY your normal political rhetoric.
Insurrectionism Timeline - Coalition to Stop Gun Violence
The incidents -- 110 of them -- document only those instances of political rhetoric relevant to gun violence, and it doesn't even include the many, many more instances of violent, racist vitriol where weapons were not involved. The idea that a professor and a political journalist can suggest that the vicious political hate speech from Republicans we have seen in the past two years is within the normal limits of American discourse is frankly baffling.
By denying there is anything concerning about this kind of hate speech, you are absolving responsible but cowardly Republican leaders of the need to come to grips with this dangerous situation and speak out against it. You are enabling these whacked-out extremists to spin their way into some kind of demented victimhood for being called on the consequences of their actions.
No good will come from it. Do you want to be the one to think you could have spoken against it, but decided to play it down the middle with your pernicious false equivalence?
#2 Posted by James, CJR on Mon 10 Jan 2011 at 04:54 PM
Here's an entry from the link above. And you are telling me that this kind of stuff is "normal" political discourse during Congressional consideration of legislation?
(quote)
March 19-22, 2010—During consideration of health care reform legislation by the U.S. House of Representatives, vandals attack Democratic offices in Pleasant Ridge, Ohio; Wichita, Kansas; Tuscon, Arizona; Niagra Falls, New York; and Rochester, New York. Mike Vanderboegh, the former leader of f the Alabama Constitutional Militia, takes credit for the violence after posting a blog on March 19 that states, "If we break the windows of hundreds, thousands, of Democratic party headquarters across this country, we might just make up enough of them to make defending ourselves at the muzzle of a rifle unnecessary." Several Democratic members receive death threats, including Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-NY), who is told snipers will "kill the children of the members who voted YES"; Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI), who receives a message saying, "You're dead; we know where you live; we'll get you"; and Rep. Betsy Markey (D-CO), whose staffer is told by a caller, "Better hope I don't run into you in a dark alley with a knife, a club or a gun."
House Minority Leader John Boehner, speaking about Rep. Steve Driehaus (D-OH), says he "may be a dead man."
November 29, 2010—U.S. Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX), the ranking Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, circulates a PowerPoint presentation to his colleagues in which he compares the Obama administration to the Nazi regime in Germany and likens himself to Gen. George Patton, bragging, "Put anything in my scope and I will shoot it."
(unquote)
This is "normal" for our Republican legislators?
#3 Posted by James, CJR on Mon 10 Jan 2011 at 05:15 PM
Yeah, this is a bit of a dumb "both sides do it" take on the issue. "Yeah, go back to the 1960's and look at the left. You see? The right today is the same as the left fifty years ago. They're the same."
You get a lot of institutional support for saying stuff like that,
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/matt-bais-post-partisanship-20101205
but it's a dishonest as all hell.
Politics is often the art of rhetorical conflict and in any conflict violent imagery filters in, but there is a difference between "I'm going to take him down" and "If you don't respect my 1st amendment right (and vote no on health care reform) then I may have to exercise my 2nd."
One implies a real threat and a purpose to intimidate. The other is an understood metaphor in a rhetorical conflict. Can you tell the difference?
So this is really weird when you really start to thin about it. Americans are peaceful as a population, in general, and don't usually talk about "trees of liberty" and the like. So what's going on?
You have a partisan network and a slew of partisan websites that are mainstreaming the paranoia of the conservative mind. That aspect hasn't changed in 50 years:
http://harpers.org/archive/1964/11/0014706
So you have a bunch of nasty people who take half truths (and I'm being generous when I say half) and churn out a narrative in which politics is not a rhetorical conflict, it's an existential one. "They are coming for your country and WE NEED TO TAKE IT BACK!" *tear*
Incite people with language like "your grandmother is going to die in a socialist death camp" and you cannot be surprised when people go for their guns. One side uses fear and intimidation and a population stoked by an active like spreading culture, the other side tries to "take down" an argument and talked about mass wiretaps, torture, and violations of law by the government while it was on going. And yet one side did not go for their guns because one side kept rhetorical boundaries and, when they didn't, it was a national scandal.
"How dare Moveon make allusions to Bush and Hitler! Betray-us?! How dare they! Too far! Be responsible!"
Now look really carefully, because if you do you should see a difference between conservatives and the left today.
Cheers.
#4 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 10 Jan 2011 at 06:01 PM
"active lie spreading culture"
Ever since I spilled coffee on my poor keyboard I've been having troubles with 'k'.
Damn you sweet brown nectar of the soul! I could shoot you sometimes!
(But then I'd have to lick you off the floor and that's never any fun.)
#5 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 10 Jan 2011 at 06:28 PM
Well I am old enough to have memory of the 1960's and I can tell you that it WAS NOT the same on the left during that time. In fact, in the 60's it was again the extremist right that was engaging in eliminationist rhetoric: The John Birch Society, for example. Fortunately, the Republican leadership at that time had a little more responsibility than they do these days and marginalized the Birchers and the Impeach Earl Warren crowd. It was ugly, but not THIS ugly.
And the left didn't have their Congressional leaders stand on the steps of the Capitol calling for armed revolution, nor the minority leaders telling a Republican that he was a "dead man." They didn't have candidates talking about "second amendment solutions" nor did they have their the ranking member of the House Energy and Commerce Committee talking about having the the President of the United States in his "scope." Okay?
So stop with the false equivalence.
"The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity." -Yeats
That "best lack all conviction"? That's you.
#6 Posted by James, CJR on Mon 10 Jan 2011 at 07:23 PM
"Well I am old enough to have memory of the 1960's and I can tell you that it WAS NOT the same on the left during that time...
So stop with the false equivalence...
That "best lack all conviction"? That's you."
Whoa James, is that post directed at me?
Because I was making a point about the Professor's statement,
"Is there a difference between the kind of violent rhetoric that is used by the “right” and “left”?
I don’t really think so. I think at different times one side predominates over the other. If you go back into the 1960s and you look at some of the rhetoric from the anti-war movement or the women’s liberation movement, it’s pretty extreme stuff.
And I suppose, as some commentators have pointed out, there was a lot of vitriol directed at President Bush.
Yes, yes."
I wasn't arguing with you. In fact I would agree with much of what you posted.
And when you get into the professor's comments, some just leave you agape:
"Is this kind of violent political rhetoric particular to the United States? Or is it something you see in Europe, Britain, Australia, and in other democracies?
You do see some of it, although, I must say, Americans from the very beginning have tended to a more violent discourse. You can go all the way back into the eighteenth century and find all sorts of examples of the use of rhetoric. This is very deeply woven into the American culture and in the American experience. Violence permeates our culture in a way that it does not permeate some of the European cultures, especially the social democracies such as Sweden, Norway, and Finland."
This is the Europe which hosted two world wars and spent centuries instigating bloodshed with one another over words.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs5bnVoZK4Q
And if you think that there is little violent language in Europe then you must spend a lot of time in your office on your ivory campus.
There's less violent and more sexual entertainment. That has nothing to do with politics and the speech in play.
#7 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 10 Jan 2011 at 07:54 PM
No Thimbles, that wasn't aimed at you. Sorry, I was unclear. I've been pinging Mr. Meares (and the professor) for their pernicious false equivalence and issuing pious statements about "finger-pointing" that only serves to enable the rightwing extremists.
However, please point to some of your "pretty extreme stuff" from the 1960's and discuss how it compares to mainstream Republicanism today, as detailed at length in that link I provided. I certainly acknowledge there were violent leftists during that time, but they certainly weren't in the halls of Congress or candidates for national office. So part of this pernicious false equivalence is comparing very, very fringe people on the "left" with things the Republican national LEADERSHIP says and does.
And plus, they have to go rummaging through dKos deep in a comment stream on somebody's diary, and compare that -- Rep Giffords voted against Pelosi! I supported her but now she is dead to me! -- with Republican Congressmen directly threatening their Democratic colleagues and the waves of actionable death threats rained down on judges, federal officials, and Democratic political leaders by national TV and radio hosts on the right. They call that somehow equivalent -- "both sides do it -- and I call bullshit on that.
#8 Posted by James, CJR on Mon 10 Jan 2011 at 08:25 PM
There was some extreme stuff since it was during some extreme times, but the occasional acts of terrorism from "Stop the War - Break the machine" types was weak compared to the violence of the state in support of the war and the violence of the whites in support of racial segregation.
When you compare the 60's radical left to the radical right, the right leaves the left in the dust especially since in states like Mississippi the radicals controlled the institutions.
When you compare today's left with today's right, again the left are completely left in the dust.
When you compare today's right with the 60's left, yes there are some similar incidents and rhetoric, but a) the comparison is unfair
b) even when left radicalism was at its heights (during the depression and during the sixties) it was never mainstreamed. The prototypical hippie, John Lennon used to sing
"But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao,
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKHgVN7Bjww
The American left has too much hippie humanism to get mainstream violently radical. It's hard to reconcile love-in, age of aquarius, save the earth ethos with the "crush the vermin who threaten everything you believe in" ethos. Values that respect life and people interfere with a radical approach to achieving goals. People in the movement often get turned off by their own extremists.
The right doesn't have that problem and you're right to call bullshit on it.
#9 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 10 Jan 2011 at 10:41 PM
I agree with the commenters who have decried the "false equivalence" raised in these articles. I also think that the easy availability of guns and very lax gun laws mixed with the violent rhetoric is a major part of the problem. Harold Evans has an innteresting article on this on The Daily Beast.
#10 Posted by Paul D, CJR on Mon 10 Jan 2011 at 11:22 PM
"So you have a bunch of nasty people who take half truths (and I'm being generous when I say half) and churn out a narrative in which politics is not a rhetorical conflict, it's an existential one. "They are coming for your country and WE NEED TO TAKE IT BACK!" *tear*
Incite people with language like "your grandmother is going to die in a socialist death camp" and you cannot be surprised when people go for their guns. "
This guy is part of the problem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzoBLY9lVos
and Howie Kurtz doesn't get it:
"KURTZ: Steve Malzberg, would you agree with this proposition that it would be nice if people on both sides of the political divide and both sides -- partisan sides in the media, those of us who have platforms and sit in front of cameras and sit in front of microphones, as you do, toned it down just a little bit?
MALZBERG: No. No.
KURTZ: You're not in favor of toning it down?
MALZBERG: No, because the agenda hasn't changed. Barack Obama's still going to try to rule everything he wants to rule. He's going to rule by dictate. He's going to circumvent the Congress."
He's gonna glue antenna on our heads and make us all ants! He's going to rape the horses and ride off on the women! He's going to indoctrinate our children on the teachings of Mao! HE'S RAISING YOUR TAXES AND KILLING JOBS! BOOGA BOOGA! He's a elected tyrant and I know this because my political astute 11 year old told me so....
Wha..wha..what's your problem? I never said pick up your guns and defend your rights! Howie Kurtz even lent me his thesaurus so I could avoid terms like guns and blood and your baby's brains against a wall. I don't know what got the people riled up.
What am I supposed to do? Not stand up to an illegitimate, unelected, tyrant?"
Read.
http://www.milwaukeemagazine.com/currentissue/full_feature_story.asp?newmessageid=24046&pf=yes
This is the problem.
#11 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 11 Jan 2011 at 12:38 AM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-04-09/the-new-political-violence/
for James who might not remember the same 60's as I did...
#12 Posted by Chosunking, CJR on Wed 12 Jan 2011 at 01:04 AM
For those who have forgotten the extensive violent rhetoric and images that were directed against Bush by the Left.
http://www.binscorner.com/pages/d/death-threats-against-bush-at-protests-i.html
There was even an entire movie based on the premise of his assassination.
Memories are awful short.
#13 Posted by frank, CJR on Wed 12 Jan 2011 at 06:15 PM
You see, that's funny because I don't remember Mr. Mohawk-with-a-balloon-tied-to-his-sign getting elected to office as a democrat on the platform of "Kill the terrorist PIG-BUSH!"
And yet there must be some equivalency. Let's see.... I remember Al Gore criticizing Bush in 2003 on his Iraq plans, and that provoked a huge outcry of him being a radical nut - going too far - being irresponsible - being ostracized from public life until people started watching his movie years later. I remember the republicans and fox news being outraged over this anti-government rhetoric.
How about Cynitha McKinney? She suspected the Bush administration had warning (and it turns out they had more warnings than anyone had realized, watch the 9-11 widow video Press for Truth on google video sometime) and she wanted investigations that the Bush Administration were fighting tooth and nail.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A34565-2002Apr11
Oh, you mean she wasn't given a hero's welcome on Fox News? She was beaten up by the press as a mad woman and ostracized? Republicans were outraged and demanded her to apologize? How odd.
Oh well, there must be some elected democrat who's rhetoric is comparable to elected republicans and their pundits but isn't vilified, doesn't provoke republican partisan outrage over rhetoric, and gets fair treatment on Fox News. Im trying to think, but my memory is awful short...
Oh Yeah. Alan Grayson!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRxrMAinwqk
"Republican demands for an apology commenced immediately."
Sigh. And you can see this pattern repeat itself over and over and over. Move on, Shirley Sherrod, John Kerry, Bill Maher, Ward Churchill, Ted Rall, etc etc etc. Republicans have no problem demanding everybody else to watch their mouths and to be careful of what they say, and they have the public outrage machinery to make them sorry if they don't.
But republicans get to say what they like: secession, 2nd amendment solutions, whacko Hitleresque conspiracy theories, hell G. Gordon Liddy gave advice about how to shoot ATF officers in the head - because that's where the body armor is weakest - and he's still in the media.
And if you ask republicans to tone it down, some jerk posts pictures of Representative Mohawk to make the case "Well they do it too!"
Does that make it acceptable then? Can I start making threats and pushing my followers towards violence because "you do it too"? Just because it's done by Mr. Mohawk doesn't mean it's approved and encouraged by the political and media establishment. Mr. Grassley, Mrs. Palin, Mr. Beck and Hannity on the other hand....
To me, that's unacceptable.
#14 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 12 Jan 2011 at 07:11 PM
thanks a lot
i want to will send a journal a bout issues of midle east and what happen in this regional in feture.
#15 Posted by mohammad, CJR on Sun 6 Mar 2011 at 07:23 AM