Tim Russert, as is his wont, went to politics before policy with Democratic Senator Jim Webb of Virginia. He began with what he called the “political questions” of 1) his neutrality, so far, between Obama and Clinton, and 2) rumors that he is a plausible vice presidential candidate. Webb ducked: If Obama or Clinton asked, “I would highly discourage them,” and “I’m not that interested.”
Russert then turned to the mind-numbingly ignorant incident of the week, President Bush’s words to the Israeli Knesset on “the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.” Russert offered Webb a chance to elaborate on this passage in his new book, A Time to Fight:
It is clearly in our national interest to confront authoritarian regimes around the world and to attempt to change their practices. But refusing to engage them is actually tantamount to ignoring the circumstances that we supposedly condemn.
Webb responded with a different analogy, in which engagement was part of the policy:
If President Bush were to use the right historical example, he probably should be looking at China in the 1970s [rather than the situation in Germany in the 1930s], where we had a rogue regime with nukes, with an American war on its border that was spouting all of this hostile rhetoric and was not a part of the international community. And by aggressive diplomacy—at the same time that we kept all of our other options on the table, and maintained all of our other alliances—we were able to arguably bring China into the world community.
It would have been nice if Russert had asked a substantive follow-up about this example, such as: “Bush offered one historical analogy, you offered another, so is this a 1-1 tie?” or “Do you have other examples?” to which Webb might have added a word on the containing of Stalin, and on the multiple incapacities of Ahmadinejad’s Iran. Russert might have asked further, “What is the evidence that Ahmadinejad speaks for the Iranian regime? Or is it more likely, on the other hand, that he is a vicious rogue trying to smother opposition by trotting out Israel-hating bravado?”
But questions like this would have descended too deep into the central considerations affecting war and peace in our time, into the logic and illogic of Bush’s views. So Russert lurched quickly into his usual routine, and tried unsuccessfully to nudge Webb into saying that he was at odds with Democrat orthodoxy about veterans and Iraq.



"containing of Stalin"? Is this a joke Mr Gitlin? If containment of Stalin meant giving up Poland, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Latvia, Georgia, Hungary, Romania, Albania, North Korea, Soviet Nuclear proliferation (etcetera), then I guess we contained the bejezus out him. Engagement with China was after Mao (psychotic bastard that he was) left the stage and during a time when there was the very real possibility of a Soviet-Sino war. Relations with China were a hedge against the Soviets, not to diffuse any Sino American tensions.
Posted by TDC
on Mon 19 May 2008 at 01:08 PM
i definitely appreciate the slap-down delivered to Russert, but perhaps demur on the final imaginary question it might have been nice for him to ask of Webb. (i.e., Ahmadinejad the rogue.)
Ahmadinejad likely speaks for the regime quite nicely, thank you, and perhaps it would've been good for Russert to have gone along those lines anyway, just to see what Webb might have done, but there's no need to give the benefit of the doubt to Khamenei & Co.
after all, likelihood is, it is terrible economic indicators that make the prez & his circle (aren't possibly powerful elements within the Revolutionary Guards down with him?) more unpopular among his fellow Iranians than his overall list of vicious little stupidities and failings elsewhere..
Posted by somedisco
on Tue 20 May 2008 at 08:34 PM
although on second thought, who knows whether Khamenei will leave him out to dry for all manner of reasons? (i admit this was looking more likely in the aftermath of December 2006 than it does now.)
in the March elections people who could broadly be described as on-board (those 'Principalist' factions) with the prez did well.
i suppose the most worrying thing is the amount of Revolutionary Guardsmen that both the prez and the Supreme Leader are allowing to bed down in positions of prominence.
Posted by somedisco
on Wed 21 May 2008 at 05:50 AM