Two heavy hitters from the left and right are struggling with the weekend’s (aerial) incursion into Libya. Both the Times’s conservative columnist Ross Douthat and progressive Talking Points Memo’s Josh Marshall are opining on why the whole thing has them feeling queasy. Douthat and Marshall touch on some of the same points of concern: a third incursion into the Muslim world, the question of why Libya and not Yemen and Bahrain, a fear of mission creep, and the ambiguity of what exactly the primary mission is (no-fly zone or regime change?) But only one of them gets into an unknowing hypocritical twist as they do.
It’s not Marshall.
In a column published last night, Marshall channels his “inner foreign policy Realist” to argue that he can’t see the justification for intervening in Libya. The best outcome, as he sees it, is “maintaining a safe haven for the people who were about to be crushed because they’d participated in a failed rebellion,” and he contends that, regarding comparisons between this intervention and past situations in the Balkans and Rwanda, there is little by way of direct similarities: “a failed rebellion isn’t genocide. It’s not.”
Marshall is sympathetic to the arguments against his own—if you are open to intervention at all, should it matter whether people are dying fighting back against an oppressive regime or are dying in an organized genocide?—but ultimately concludes:
So let’s review: No clear national or even humanitarian interest for military intervention. Intervening well past the point where our intervention can have a decisive effect. And finally, intervening under circumstances in which the reviled autocrat seems to hold the strategic initiative against us. This all strikes me as a very bad footing to go in on.
Marshall makes his arguments with both eyes focused squarely on Libya. Douthat, on the other hand, opts for a more expansive take and decides that the issue is “the liberal way of war,” which the Obama administration is giving us a “clinic” in with Libya. Douthat says that while weeks of delay might have had us thinking that the president was doing all he could to stay out of Libya’s domestic troubles, he was actually just ensuring “we were doing it in the most multilateral, least cowboyish fashion imaginable.”
“In its opening phase, at least, our war in Libya looks like the beau ideal of a liberal internationalist intervention,” Douthat writes. “It was blessed by the United Nations Security Council. It was endorsed by the Arab League. It was pushed by the diplomats at Hillary Clinton’s State Department, rather than the military men at Robert Gates’s Pentagon. Its humanitarian purpose is much clearer than its connection to American national security. And it was initiated not by the U.S. Marines or the Air Force, but by the fighter jets of the French Republic.”
The model is Clinton’s, and Douthat allows that it has some strengths: sustained alliances, reduced risk of anti-Americanism, and a spreading of the military burden. These are, of course, overwhelmed by the weaknesses.
But there are major problems with this approach to war as well. Because liberal wars depend on constant consensus-building within the (so-called) international community, they tend to be fought by committee, at a glacial pace, and with a caution that shades into tactical incompetence. And because their connection to the national interest is often tangential at best, they’re often fought with one hand behind our back and an eye on the exits, rather than with the full commitment that victory can require.
Douthat’s first strike against his “liberal war” target is pretty bang-on. History backs him up. The problem, though, is in framing his argument as an attack against “liberal war.” When you do that, the alternative jumps instantly to mind: Conservative war? Unilateral war? And with the ideologically opposed approaches sparring in your head as you read, Douthat’s argument is undercut.
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In fact, Gaddafi has made terrorist threats against innocents in shipping or on passenger aircraft. Therefore, there is just cause to treat him as an enemy and to kill him.
In fact, it would be negligent of the UK and France not to kill Gaddafi given the certainly that otherwise he will attempt to commit mass retaliatory murder against UK and French citizens.
The Guardian's coverage of this issue has been superior:
[6.42pm: Our political editor, Patrick Wintour, has more on the apparent differences between the British military leadership and their political masters over the legality of taking out Gaddafi. He says Downing Street has appeared to side with the defence secretary Liam Fox against the chief of the defence staff Sir David Richards, by saying the removal of Gaddafi through military targeting is lawful under the UN security council resolution, if Gaddafi is threatening civilian lives.]
[Earlier Richards had said Gaddafi "is absolutely not a target". But Patrick points out that the Downing Street spokesman has taken a different line.]
[The PM's spokesman said: "The security council resolution provides for a wide range of action – all necessary measures – but that action must be in the pursuit of the objectives that are set out, and obviously we will act according to that security council resolution and any action we take and any targets will be legitimate targets. One of the objectives of the resolution is the protection of civilians".]
[He stressed the resolution did not give legal authority to bring about Gaddafi's removal of power by military means. The stated objective is a no-fly zone and protection of civilians.]
[He added: "Our targets will be chosen to meet those objectives – prevent attacks on civilians and achieve a no-fly zone – but we will not be giving a running commentary on those targets."]
[The dispute over the interpretation of the security council resolution goes beyond an argument inside the British government and has implications for the breadth of Arab and international support. The US defence secretary Robert Gates had said it is unwise to describe Gaddafi as a legitimate target, and many Arabs fear the west may be going beyond establishing a no-fly zone and is instead making regime change an objective of the current coalition military offensive, rather than a broad policy aspiration of the government.]...
[• The legality of targeting Gaddafi appears to be causing differences of opinion in Britain and the US. Downing Street has briefed that while removing the Libyan leaders is not an aim of the UN resolution, were it to be necessary to do so in order to fulfil the resolution's aim of protecting civilians, it would be legal. But the US Army's General Carter Ham said attacking the Libyan leader was not part of his mission and Britain's General Sir David Richards, said Gaddafi was "absolutely not" a target and "it is not allowed under the UN resolution".]
The price to be paid for policy miscalculations will be too severe to accept if the UK allows those in the military who are not competent to set policy to do so.
Gaddafi, your term on this earth is finished. Have the decency to prepare for death. The New York Times should already have called for your termination, in a front page editorial. However, it is taking a while for The Times to get oriented to the proper idea in this case. As for routine US political blather about it, it obviously has nothing to do with reality.
#1 Posted by Clayton Burns, CJR on Mon 21 Mar 2011 at 03:32 PM
"If you’re looking for some direction on how you should be worrying about Libya, try Marshall before Douthat."
Better yet, ignore their myopic, partisan state-worship all together, in favor of, say, THINKING FOR YOURSELF.
But, if you need some credible, enlightening, principled perspective on the issue, then start with these fellas:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWMMKXFSI68 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTcc--fIHUQ
NYT "analysis" is meant to keep you rearranging Titanic deck chairs.
#2 Posted by Dan A., CJR on Mon 21 Mar 2011 at 05:44 PM
Indeed, so-called liberal and so-called conservative "analysts" tend to snub and omit a few minuscule things:
-- Libya did not attack the United States; no U.S. "interests" have been threatened.
-- It is a civil war which the rebels chose to fight, it is none of the U.S. govt's business.
-- A no-fly zone is an act of war by which innocent non-belligerents will surely die and otherwise suffer.
-- It is an unconstitutional act of aggression; Congress did not declare war.
-- The Arab League speaks only for tyrannical puppet-regimes whose interests counter those of the masses they rule over.
-- Why not Bahrain? Why not Yemen? (Is it for OIL, or some other "U.S. interest"?)
-- And so on.
#3 Posted by Dan A., CJR on Mon 21 Mar 2011 at 05:51 PM
The NYT is too spineless — too govt-connected — to speak this kind of truth to power:
"Only in America does it take an act of Congress to name a building, but no congressional authorization whatsoever to go to war against a country that has not threatened the United States." -Laurence Vance
http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2011/03/20/our-crazy-evil-government-when-it-comes-to-war/
#4 Posted by Dan A., CJR on Mon 21 Mar 2011 at 06:20 PM
This is an eccentric editorial in The New York Times:
March 21, 2011 At War in Libya:
"We also have questions about the objective. President Obama has said Colonel Qaddafi has lost legitimacy and must go. He also insisted the military aim is only to protect civilians and American ground troops will not be deployed. We hope he sticks to those commitments." [...]
"Libya is a specific case: Muammar el-Qaddafi is erratic, widely reviled, armed with mustard gas and has a history of supporting terrorism. If he is allowed to crush the opposition, it would chill pro-democracy movements across the Arab world."
What the editorial fails to focus is that now that Gaddafi has been challenged militarily, there will be violent recoil if he is not killed. As former CIA Director Michael Hayden said on NBC (msnbc.com), having intervened, the US has a moral responsibility for the outcome.
A moral responsibility to Libya, and to the UK, France, and America, for Gaddafi is certain to attempt a new 9/11 in Europe and/or in America if he escapes death. The New York Times editorial also does not focus the role of the military: it is not to make policy, whether in the US or UK. That will invite chaos.
If I were the editor of The New York Times, and such an editorial were somehow to slip into the paper, I would make changes. The paper's major international relations editorials are just getting too slight and erratic. They do not make sense. They exhibit a very limited view of security implications.
#5 Posted by Clayton Burns, CJR on Tue 22 Mar 2011 at 12:12 AM
National Post, today, "Why we fight," by Kathryn Blaze Carlson:
[And unlike in Libya, where Britain and France pressed forcefully for a no-fly zone, there is not a single, legitimate international actor willing to lead the charge against the governments of Bahrain or Yemen. No one is interested. No one has an interest.]
[“You cannot push or intervene every time there is a crisis or an inadequate regime,” said Anthony Cordesman, who frequently advises the U.S. State Department and Defense Department, and who holds a chair in strategy at the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies. “Dual standards exist because they define rational behaviour.”]
What defines "rational behaviour" in American international relations needs to be redefined away from cynicism. Young people in IR in Canada have a predictable bias: they expect politicians to lie, and they expect international relations to be composed of little better than mafia pacts.
There is a direct cause and effect between the pervasive trash in American high school education in history and politics and the diseased realpolitik of the old timers at Georgetown, in the think tanks, and in the State Department. America should set up a powerful audit of the SAT, AP, and all high school courses in geography, history, politics, and law so as to ameliorate this sickness of the cynics.
For example, the intellectual plasticity that could emerge out of engagement with the great Cold War board game "Twilight Struggle" is being under-exploited. The crude way in which language is being marginalized in the social sciences is a crime against nature. We have the COBUILD English Grammar and the Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English. Why are they not the official corpus English tools of Georgetown?
Anthony Cordesman should be fired as an advisor to the U.S. State Department and Defense Department. He should be fired from the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies. America should apply the same standards to Bahrain and Yemen as to Libya. If you are a cynic, you should run for cover.
#6 Posted by Clayton Burns, CJR on Tue 22 Mar 2011 at 01:16 PM
"America should apply the same standards to Bahrain and Yemen as to Libya."
Exactly. It should get out of all three. And stay out.
#7 Posted by Dan A., CJR on Tue 22 Mar 2011 at 02:51 PM
Douthat’s claim that UN coalition (“committee-led”) wars are fought without determination betrays ignorance both of history and of military practice. Generals plan tactical details, not politicians. A UN mandate defines a political goal, the military method is left open, the only requirement being the avoidance of war crimes in the intervention.
Compare the 1991 UN-sponsored war against Iraq to the 2003-20?? mess there. The first war was quick and decisive, and for the US, it actually turned a profit thanks to reimbursements from member states who didn’t commit troops. The UN mandate, by keeping the focus strictly on Kuwait, and not authorizing entry into Iraq, made the war short and painless (painless for everybody except the Iraqi military). The goals were not mushy or wooly, they were crystal clear – unlike the goals of the 2003 war, goals so murky and sinister they still haven’t been explained today.
Or look at the other time the US and allies fought under a Security Council mandate, in Korea. Was Inchon an example of “caution that shades into tactical incompetence”? It was a masterstroke that’s still studied in staff colleges today.
Did the UN forces’ effort in Korea bog down due to excessive caution, lack of clarity or weak-willed allies? No, in fact the problem was over-confidence and over-boldness, which drove the allies to cross the Yaloo River in pursuit of the beaten North Koreans, triggering a massive Chinese intervention. In fact, the Korean war would have been a success, rather than a stalemate, if the Security Council’s mandate in 1949 had been as limited as that of 1991.
#8 Posted by Kevin Robb, CJR on Tue 22 Mar 2011 at 04:23 PM
That should read resolution of 1950, not 1949.
#9 Posted by Kevin Robb, CJR on Tue 22 Mar 2011 at 04:33 PM
The rhetorical entanglements of Anthony Cordesman become even more absurd. In Washington (in government, at the think tanks, at the universities, and in the media), the word should go out that cynicism--like a tattered dictator--has had its day.
Reflex appeals to International Relations "rationalism" should be abandoned. What sense does it make to be paying people to talk nonsense?
The Telegraph: [20.29 Meanwhile Downing Street has claimed Saudi foreign minister Prince Saud expressed his support for the aims of the UN resolution on Libya during a meeting with David Cameron today. A spokesman said:
On Libya, the prime minister set out the action we were taking in support of implementation of UNSCR 1973. Prince Saud expressed strong support for the aims of UNSCR 1973 and the steps being taken by the international community to enforce it.]
#10 Posted by Clayton Burns, CJR on Tue 22 Mar 2011 at 04:49 PM
There is only one option: The immediate death of Gaddafi. It was foolish not to have done it first. The somewhat chaotic blog presentation of this war (Guardian, msnbc, for example) is often less than helpful.
The cjr.org site should be providing real time coverage and should try to solve the menu issues. The American think tank comments have generally been lazy and not especially penetrating. Perhaps they like it that way. Here is msnbc.com:
[msnbc.com news services updated 30 minutes ago:
TRIPOLI, Libya — Moammar Gadhafi's snipers and tanks are terrorizing civilians in the coastal city of Misrata, a resident said, and the U.S. military warned Tuesday it was "considering all options" in response to dire conditions there that have left people cowering in darkened homes and scrounging for food and rainwater.]
#11 Posted by Clayton Burns, CJR on Tue 22 Mar 2011 at 05:28 PM
The Washington Post:
[Saleh took refuge inside the presidential palace while those outside — including in Washington — debated anxiously whether he would make a last stand with troops who remain loyal, be overwhelmed by the forces arrayed against him or “face the inevitable” and resign, a senior Obama administration official said.
Asked on Tuesday if the United States still supported Saleh, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates declined to give a direct answer.]
The National Post:
[“You cannot push or intervene every time there is a crisis or an inadequate regime,” said Anthony Cordesman, who frequently advises the U.S. State Department and Defense Department, and who holds a chair in strategy at the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies. “Dual standards exist because they define rational behaviour.”]
Weak, Anthony Cordesman, incredibly weak. Your analysis is so feeble you should immediately resign. Everything is against you, the Saudi position on Libya, the American position on Yemen. Your understanding of what is rational is deeply irrational on all counts. Try at least to keep track of what is in The Washington Post.
#12 Posted by Clayton Burns, CJR on Tue 22 Mar 2011 at 07:25 PM
The most unenlightening comment from any professor, member of an institute, or bureaucrat within the last two days:
Al Jazeera English: [Opinion Libya intervention threatens the Arab spring
Despite its official UN-granted legality, the credibility of Western military action in Libya is rapidly dwindling. Phyllis Bennis Last Modified: 22 Mar 2011 10:22
Cutline: Within just 48 hours of the start of the bombing campaign, the US and its allies have lost the support of the Arab League [AFP Photo].
Western air and naval strikes against Libya are threatening the Arab Spring.]
I had no idea that the editorial standards at Al Jazeera English were so lax. It seems impossible that such bad text could be published. Here is the headline of an Independent story that contradicts Phyllis Bennis:
The Independent: [Arab League: Support back on board, but consensus remains far from firm By Catrina Stewart Wednesday, 23 March 2011].
#13 Posted by Clayton Burns, CJR on Tue 22 Mar 2011 at 10:07 PM
Clayton Burns seems to be aware that turning off civilian water and electricity supplies is a war crime. It is indeed a flagrant breach of the Geneva Conventions.
But Clayton Burns seems to be unaware that turning off civilian water and electricity was absolutely standard practice for US military operations in Iraq, even in media-friendly model operations like Col McMaster's "liberation" of Tall Afar.
"Moammar Gadhafi's snipers and tanks are terrorizing civilians in the coastal city of Misrata..."
As for Misrata, it sounds a bit like Falluja. In fact, if Gaddafi separated the families of fleeing refugees, then forced all men and all boys down to 15 back into the town at gunpoint before shelling, bombing and assaulting it, it would be just like Falluja.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,138376,00.html
#14 Posted by Bud0, CJR on Wed 23 Mar 2011 at 09:33 AM
"The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them."
George Orwell
#15 Posted by Bud0, CJR on Wed 23 Mar 2011 at 09:36 AM
A feature of the "Arab Spring" that may have gone unobserved by some is the performance of Washington think tanks: [Anthony Cordesman should be fired as an advisor to the U.S. State Department and Defense Department. He should be fired from the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies.]
Perhaps even more inept than Cordesman: "Phyllis Bennis is a Fellow of the Institute for Policy Studies and the Transnational Institute in Amsterdam. Her books include Calling the Shots: How Washington Dominates Today's UN."
Her Al Jazeera English opinion on the Arab Spring:
[Ironically, one of the reasons many people supported the call for a no-fly zone was the fear that if Gaddafi managed to crush the Libyan people''s uprising and remain in power, it would send a devastating message to other Arab dictators: Use enough military force and you will keep your job.]
[Instead, it turns out that just the opposite may be the result: It was after the UN passed its no-fly zone and use-of-force resolution, and just as US, British, French and other warplanes and warships launched their attacks against Libya, that other Arab regimes escalated their crack-down on their own democratic movements.]
[In Yemen, 52 unarmed protesters were killed and more than 200 wounded on Friday by forces of the US-backed and US-armed government of Ali Abdullah Saleh. It was the bloodiest day of the month-long Yemeni uprising. President Obama "strongly condemned" the attacks and called on Saleh to "allow demonstrations to take place peacefully".]
How could anyone imply a negative cause and effect between intervention in Libya and the events in Yemen? (If there was any cause and effect, it was positive):
BBC: [23 March 2011 Last updated at 10:59 ET Libya action: Arab support very strong, Cameron says:
Arab support for the military operation over Libya is "very strong", Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
He told the House of Commons Kuwait and Jordan would take part, and that Qatar already had planes in action.]
The Center for Strategic and International Studies and the Institute for Policy Studies, both in Washington, should audit their practices. They should try to keep "expert" comment within the bounds of common sense.
#16 Posted by Clayton Burns Education analyst. www.ivyexpress.com, CJR on Wed 23 Mar 2011 at 11:51 AM
This is the Phyllis Bennis account regarding the African Union:
Overlooking the African Union:
[Early on, the US had also identified support from the African Union (AU) as a critical component. But as it became clear that the AU would not sign on to the kind of attack on Libya contemplated in the UN resolution, the need for that support (indeed the AU itself) disappeared from Western discourse on the issue.
Shortly after the bombing began, the five-member AU committee on the Libya crisis called for an "immediate stop" to all the attacks and "restraint" from the international community.
It went further, calling for the protection of foreign workers with a particular reference to African expatriates in Libya (responding to reports of attacks on African workers by opposition forces), as well as "necessary political reforms to eliminate the cause of the present crisis".
So within 48 hours of the bombing campaign's opening salvos, the US and its allies have lost the support of the Arab and African institutions the Obama administration had identified as crucial for going ahead.]
However, her account does not match what is in this communique:
Communique of the African Union Ad Hoc Committee on Libya
Posted: 2011/03/23 From: Mathaba.
9. The High‐Level ad hoc Committee reaffirms its determination to carry out its mission, in the face of the worrying developments in the situation and the recourse to an armed international intervention, calls for restraint and undertakes to spare no efforts to facilitate a peaceful solution, within an African framework, duly taking into account the legitimate aspirations of the Libyan people. Against this background, the High‐Level ad hoc Committee will act within the framework of its mandate and in a manner consistent with, and complementary to, resolution 1973 (2011) of the United Nations Security Council. Accordingly, it appealed to the international community as a whole to provide unreserved support to its efforts.]
To emphasize: "Against this background, the High‐Level ad hoc Committee will act within the framework of its mandate and in a manner consistent with, and complementary to, resolution 1973 (2011) of the United Nations Security Council."
#17 Posted by Clayton Burns, CJR on Wed 23 Mar 2011 at 01:32 PM
Um, Joel, uh, isn't the true left-right comparison here supposed to contrast someone like Douthat with the supporters of Obama's actions? I guess you still, on the evidence of CJR, believe from the bottom of your heart that liberals can't be hypocrites. In the meantime, it has been noted in the real world that the winner of the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize has now commenced conducting the third war of his administration and reversed himself 180 degrees on the subject of Congressional consultation in doing so. Oh, and he's also keeping Guantanamo open after all. If CJR can't find any 'hypocrisy' in journalists who are supporting all this, then CJR is even (lamer, more narrowly partisan - take your pick) in bringing the same critical scrutiny to bear on left-leaning journalism as it does to the Right than even I had thought.
#18 Posted by Mark Richard, CJR on Wed 23 Mar 2011 at 01:49 PM
Events continue to refute the featured Phyllis Bennis analysis of the Arab Spring in Al Jazeera English (if the website is not searching for editors, it should be):
London to host Libya conference
By Daniel Bentley, PA
Wednesday, 23 March 2011
[An international conference is to be held in London next week to take stock of developments in Libya and discuss the command structure for the allied military operations.]
[The meeting, on Tuesday, will bring together representatives of countries involved in the UN-backed intervention and those situated in the region.]
["At the conference we will discuss the situation in Libya with our allies and partners and take stock of the implementation of UN Security Council Resolutions 1970 and 1973 (2011)."]
[French foreign minister Alain Juppe stressed earlier that Tuesday's meeting would feature representatives of the African Union and the Arab League.]
#19 Posted by Clayton Burns, CJR on Wed 23 Mar 2011 at 01:56 PM
Most chaotic comment on Libya (again--no surprise--in Al Jazeera English). One wonders what International Relations students do with their time. They are certainly not assimilating media reading cycles and commenting in an intelligent way on the musings of the elders in the IR trade. When I say that a comprehensive audit of the think tanks, universities, and bureaucrats is essential in relation to IR, apparently I am taken to be just shooting the breeze.
Start with the Ivy League and Washington. Destroy the SAT and AP History. Analyze this crap by Falk. What incoherent trash. Al Jazeera is an embarrassment. Falk really needs to retire:
Gaddafi, moral interventionism and revolution
Intervening in Libya now will set a poor precedent on when the use of force is justified. Richard Falk Last Modified: 23 Mar 2011 13:53
Richard Falk is Albert G. Milbank Professor Emeritus of International Law at Princeton University and Visiting Distinguished Professor in Global and International Studies at the University of California, Santa Barbara. He has authored and edited numerous publications spanning a period of five decades, most recently editing the volume International Law and the Third World: Reshaping Justice (Routledge, 2008).
He is currently serving his third year of a six year term as a United Nations Special Rapporteur on Palestinian human rights.
#20 Posted by Clayton Burns, CJR on Wed 23 Mar 2011 at 02:38 PM
War is a racket, not just the journalistic ones.
#21 Posted by Dan A., CJR on Thu 24 Mar 2011 at 07:36 PM