Good to see Slate’s David Weigel wearing his old WaPo jersey today, penning a Tea Party primer that breaks down five myths about the grassroots movement he calls “the most obsessed-over and overanalyzed political backlash since the 1960s.”
Think the Tea Party is a reaction to bank bailouts and not President Obama? Weigel counters:
If you think the tea party would have risen up to oppose a Republican president who spent like mad and violated conservative principles, then where was it in the Bush years?
Think the movement is hurting the GOP?
The tea party movement is giving Republicans a dream of an electorate, one in which surveys find more GOP-inclined voters enthusiastic about casting ballots than voters who lean Democratic. Democrats have done some damage to the tea party brand — its favorability has fallen in polls — but in general, the presence of a new political force that is not called Republican and is not tied to George W. Bush has given the GOP a glorious opportunity to remake its image, at a time when trust in the party is very low.
And if you think they’re going to become a legit “party,” well, think again.
The tea party is unlikely to even reach third-party status, because the vast majority of its members — up to 79 percent, in some polls — identify as Republicans and are savvy enough not to take actions that would help Democrats. (Liberals only wish that Ralph Nader thought like this.)
One of the myths we’ve spoken about—the assumption that this is one unified movement—is tacitly torn down by Weigel when he addresses the myth that Sarah Palin might be the Tea Party’s leader. “They’d like to be leaderless for now, thank you very much,” he writes. Still, it’s a pretty big point, and it would have been nice to see this sixth myth addressed more fully.
Weigel will wear the CJR jersey for our September/October magazine, which features a piece by the Tea Party expert arguing that the left-wing media’s dismissive and combative coverage helped the movement grow into a force. Here’s a sneak preview:
The attacks by the left press convinced them that they were onto something, that they were irritating the right people. The most offensive attacks—when CNN’s Anderson Cooper and MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow referred to them as “teabaggers,” for instance—were met with demands for an apology. Attacks on the funding of the movement were brushed aside as partisan smears of a self-financed, grassroots uprising. “The attacks absolutely helped us,” says Eric Odom, a Republican activist named in the Playboy story. “Beyond the ‘tea bag’ stuff, look at the charge that we’re racist. The vast majority of this movement is not racist. When we hear things like that, we take it personally. We find it to be insulting and it makes us work even harder.

JournoList?...
Mr. Meares, how is that you manage to draft this fawning tribute without mentioning the fact that Mr. Weigel was sh*t-canned from the Post for his bias?
Not a peep out of CJR to date on the JournoList scandal.
You "watchdogs" are pathetic. Do you realize your JOB is to criticize journalists (not just Tea Partiers)? Don't you?
And who exactly determined that this disgraced, fired, biased liberal hack is any sort of "expert" on the Tea Party?
Huh?
#1 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Fri 6 Aug 2010 at 12:43 PM
To Padikiller,
It's partisan rhetoric and being wrong on facts and paranoid at the same time that gives the normal tea bagger away. And I thank you for that, because it is why, like the John Birchers before you, you will always be fringe. You scare normal people. They see you and your frothing anger, and want nothing to do with you. She Sharron Angle's numbers in Nevada for recent proof, as well as all of the Republicans coming out to endorse Harry Reid, of all people.
To explain to you about Weigel, although he may have said some things on what was to be a private listserv, if you were to actually read his articles on you nut jobs, he was actually a straight shooter, and many conservatives said so. He was not going to get fired without the listserv being released, because his articles were good. I know grey areas are hard for you to understand, but try. Give it some extra time.
But please keep it up, for 2010 and 2012, thanks.
#2 Posted by Not Brain dead like padikiller, CJR on Fri 6 Aug 2010 at 01:58 PM
He was not going to get fired without the listserv being released, because his articles were good. I know grey areas are hard for you to understand, but try. Give it some extra time.
Ezra .... Dave .... is that you?
Padikiller, it should honor you that they would take time out of their busy day to talk to a "ratfucker" like you.
Better them than Spencer Ackerman I suppose .... he might well have flexed his kung fu and thrown you through a plate glass window, leaving you as a bloody example for the rest of us. And we all know Eric Alterman doesn’t have time for us “fucking Nascar retartds”.
Anyone else find it ironic that after shitting all over conservatives, Andrew Breitbart gave Weigel space on Biggovernment for his apology letter?
#3 Posted by Mike H, CJR on Fri 6 Aug 2010 at 02:25 PM
I guess one can tell my "frothing anger" from the foam on my mouth.
How dare I demand that a critic of a journalist actually inform readers of the proven biases of the subject of his articles?
Rage brewing.. Veins bulging... Losing control....
Somebody give me a puppy to kick.
#4 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Fri 6 Aug 2010 at 02:59 PM
Jesus. Weigel was on your team. "Oh Dear Lord! We have a critical voice on our team! He must be silenced!"
It should be okay to disagree on your side, shouldn't it?
Especially since the guy he slagged has proven himself to be a ratfucker.
But yeah, back to the article, the third party tea party was never new, it's always been the libertarian party, the Ron Paul party, the Harry Browne party. And the tea party collected a lot of interest in 2007-08 because Ron Paul was the only one making any sense the majority of the time during the republican primaries.
There was the Republicans; which was an uneasy alliance between social conservatives, national security war hawks, and pro-free market tax cutters; and the libertarians.
And on the other side you had the Democrats; which was an uneasy alliance between social liberals, environmentalists, pacifists, and pro-free market tax cutters; and the green party.
The republicans abandoned New Orleans, then trashed the economy and left conservatism completely discredited. People left the party but they didn't leave the philosophies. As a group in opposition, they got behind the third party's banner and made an antigovernment case that sounded like a lot of Ron Paul people, but as more people poured in, such as the rebranded Glen Beck audience, the old philosophies bubbled out of the ground.
Now the republicans of 1992 are back in charge of the "tea party". They don't care about deficits, they care about tax cuts and obstructing democrats with phony scandals and filibusters. Glen Beck used to attack the tea party and Ron Paul, now he's a tea party mascot and Ron Paul is a relic. The republicans don't want responsible libertarianism, even if it's the freaky austrian kind that Ron Paul brings. They want a strong state, but they want to be in charge of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkWEs4o2RCY
"We will rule this sector or see it burnt to ashes around us."
That is the slogan of today's tea party. That is the slogan of today's republicans.
Don't take it from me, take it from an old repubilcian:
http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/08/bob-inglis-tea-party-casualty
#5 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Fri 6 Aug 2010 at 03:55 PM
How's this for anger, "sh*t canned", "pathetic", "liberal hack", and at least only one word in all caps. That's anger, although in your naturally angry state, you don't recognize it.
Any comment on Sharron Angle, her poll numbers and the Republicans endorsing Harry "Satan" Reid. I didn't think so. Because you are fringe. Angry and on the fringe and you will have to crawl into your hole like your Bircher predecessors soon enough.
#6 Posted by Not Brain dead like padikiller, CJR on Fri 6 Aug 2010 at 03:59 PM
Not Brain dead like padikiller'
Hey Dave, you gonna send a tweet out to all the other J-listers so they can come here and defend you?
Jesus. Weigel was on your team.
Oh thats rich baby!
#7 Posted by Mike H, CJR on Fri 6 Aug 2010 at 05:02 PM
An entire media company, more if you include the washington times and the scaife and koch properties, driven by right wing republican talking points = not a scandal.
No, it's a scandal if you talk about it as an extension of the republican party, "Phhht, just because Roger "Willie Horton" Allies runs a tv empire doesn't mean he influences the coverage! Don't you dare delegitimize us!"
But people emailing each other in the internet? "My WORD! THESE ARE THE PROTOCOLS OF ZION! EVERYONE! LOOK AT THE SCANDAL! PEOPLE TALK TO ONE ANOTHER! SHAME!"
The real scandal is the influence of the right wing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlAa8XIWGoE
Not the non-influence of the an internet listserv:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEcxMvgIIQc
Reporter bias doesn't matter because reporters are controlled by editors and editors are controlled by owners. Owner bias matters WAY MORE than reporter bias. Reporters are replaceable cogs unless they are allowed enough editorial freedom to turn their work into a franchisee. Even then, the reason why they're given editorial freedom is because they're petty bitches like Dana Milbank. The real scandal is on the right in which the media apparatus is often directly controlled by a political apparatus.
But I understand if you want to talk about emails and other bs.
#8 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Sat 7 Aug 2010 at 03:20 AM
The problem with Thimbles' latest rant is the science.
Evey single serious academic study ever undertaken has demonstrated a pervasive liberal bias in the press.
Something like ninety percent of the "professional journalists" of the MSM are Democrats.
But hey... Why let the mere facts get in the way of a good cover story?
#9 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Sat 7 Aug 2010 at 08:17 AM
And furthermore, to claim that Weigel was "on my team" (as if I am a Tea Partier) is just stupid.
JournoList membership was restricted to leftists.
Weigel was a member of JournoList. (though readers wouldn't know this if I hadn't informed them in these comments).
Connect the dots, Dear Readers.
So much for Thimble's latest dodge attempt.
#10 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Sat 7 Aug 2010 at 08:23 AM
Most studies of liberal bias split beliefs into two camps (liberal and conservative) when the real picture is much more nuanced.
social liberals don't necessarily believe in liberal economics. Poll journalists on free market beliefs and tax policy, then come back to me.
social conservatives don't necessarily believe in conservative security policy. (these were the Ron Paul people) Poll them on national security policy (and man, what if you had polled them in 2002 when the media was extremely biased for the right) then talk to me.
conservative security believers don't necessarily believe in social conservative values. (DADT interferes with their mission and they serve with muslims and hispanics, they don't hate them) Poll them on their liberal social values and then ta.. oh wait, that's what they do most of the time.
If a study uses an overly simplified measure for its survey, it's not going to be reflective of reality which is the very essence of what science means. Dave Weigel is an economic conservative, Unless you don't want economic conservatives on your team, he is,
Maybe on social issues we'd agree, maybe on national security issues we'd agree on policy for different reasons (he believes in smaller less corrupt government that causes less expensive blow black, I believe in smaller nation autonomy and less overreaching western interference into the politics and economies of independent countries), but we would not agree on the role of government, regulation, and taxation in a stable economy.
Anyways as for "scientific" studies of the press:
http://www.cmpa.com/media_room_press_1_25_10.html
http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=830
"Journalists' own politics are also harder to analyze than people might think. The fact that journalists--especially national journalists--are more likely than in the past to describe themselves as liberal reinforces the findings of the major academic study on this question, namely that of David H. Weaver and G. Cleveland Wilhoit, in their series of books "The American Journalist."
But what does liberal mean to journalists? We would be reluctant to infer too much here. The survey includes just four questions probing journalists' political attitudes, yet the answers to these questions suggest journalists have in mind something other than a classic big government liberalism and something more along the lines of libertarianism. More journalists said they think it is more important for people to be free to pursue their goals without government interference than it is for government to ensure that no one is in need.
This libertarian strain is particularly strong among local journalists, who are also more likely to describe themselves as moderate."
But they don't gay bash and they don't think invading Iran and Turkey are good ideas, so they must be liberals.
This discussion is stupid. Journolist is stupid. You have billionaires funding think tanks and media to push their perspective and you want to talk about an emails that didn't affect the news one iota.
VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY you cry.
Keep crying. The sound of your wails has become a bellwether of what to ignore.
#11 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Sat 7 Aug 2010 at 10:49 AM
Yeah... You're all about ignoring my bellweathers
#12 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Sat 7 Aug 2010 at 12:20 PM
Quoth Padikiller: “Something like ninety percent of the "professional journalists" of the MSM are Democrats.”
SO WHAT? That does not mean the media as a whole is biased, because:
1. As a commenter commented only a few posts above, owner bias is more important than journalist bias. And the US press is for the most part owned by right-wing zealots.
2. I think it was the noted republican crackpot Grover Norquist who once said: “Liberal journalists are journalists first, and liberals second. Conservatives journalists are conservatives first, and journalists second.”
I.e. many liberals have qualms about imposing their viewpoint on others. Not conservatives, though. Over the last few years reading left-wing and right-wing media, I have reached the conclusion that the conservative media is basically propaganda. The lies are hair=raising. On the left there’s a mixed bunch, but the left does not systematically lie as the right does. Town Hall is like the Izvestia back in Stalin’s days.
Furthermore I think you’re lying (like most right-wingers). Please cite those studies you claim to have read.
#13 Posted by Oliver Sherlock Holmes, CJR on Mon 9 Aug 2010 at 04:39 AM
Oliver wrote: As a commenter commented only a few posts above, owner bias is more important than journalist bias
padikiller responds: Says who?
Your logic is facile. The owners don't write the stories.
Perhaps that's why you depend on on what you declare to be "crackpot" reasoning to bolster your argument.
Oliver continued: Furthermore I think you’re lying (like most right-wingers). Please cite those studies you claim to have read.
padikiller responds: Read 'em and weep, friend.
"Many of the positions in the preceding study are supported by a 2002 study by Jim A. Kuypers: Press Bias and Politics: How the Media Frame Controversial Issues. In this study of 116 mainstream US papers (including The New York Times, the Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, and the San Francisco Chronicle), Kuypers found that the mainstream print press in America operate within a narrow range of liberal beliefs. Those who expressed points of view further to the left were generally ignored, whereas those who expressed moderate or conservative points of view were often actively denigrated or labeled as holding a minority point of view"
"Studies reporting perceptions of liberal bias in the media are not limited to studies of print media. A joint study by the Joan Shorenstein Center on Press, Politics and Public Policy at Harvard University and the Project for Excellence in Journalism found that people see liberal media bias in television news media such as CNN. Although both CNN and Fox were perceived in the study as being left of center, CNN was perceived as being more liberal than Fox. Moreover, the study's findings concerning CNN's perceived liberal bias are echoed in other studies."
Jeffrey N. Weatherly, et al., “Perceptions of Political Bias in the Headlines of Two Major News Organizations,” The Harvard International Journal of Press/Politics (2007) (12), 91 at p. 97
"According to Dan Sutter of the University of Oklahoma, a systematic liberal bias in the U.S. media could depend on the fact that owners and/or journalists typically lean to the left."
"John Lott and Kevin Hassett of the American Enterprise Institute study the coverage of economic news by looking at a panel of 389 U.S. newspapers from 1991 to 2004, and from 1985 to 2004 for a subsample comprising the top 10 newspapers and the Associated Press. For each release of official data about a set of economic indicators, the authors analyze how newspapers decide to report on them, as reflected by the tone of the related headlines. The idea is to check whether newspapers display some kind of partisan bias, by giving more positive or negative coverage to the same economic figure, as a function of the political affiliation of the incumbent President. Controlling for the economic data being released, the authors find that there are between 9.6 and 14.7 percent fewer positive stories when the incumbent President is a Republican."
#14 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Mon 9 Aug 2010 at 07:13 AM
Love your edits, but prefer your source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias
"Those who expressed points of view further to the left were generally ignored, whereas those who expressed moderate or conservative points of view were often actively denigrated or labeled as holding a minority point of view..
Although focusing primarily on the issues of race and homosexuality, Kuypers found that the press injected opinion into its news coverage of other issues such as welfare reform, environmental protection, and gun control; in all cases favoring a liberal point of view."
Sounds like social liberalism, not economic liberalism. You might make a case for welfare reform, but the press supported the right turn of clinton on welfare and attacks only the outright revocation pushes of hard line conservatives.
" that people see liberal media bias...CNN and Fox were perceived in the study as being left of center"
Not objective.
"Jeffrey N. Weatherly, et al., “Perceptions of Political Bias in the Headlines of Two Major News Organizations,”
Oh, you mean this?
http://hij.sagepub.com/content/12/2/91.short
"With CNN's headlines slightly to the left of FOX News', instructing participants that the headlines came from a particular source did not influence the results. Although the study by no means provides the definitive answer to whether major news organizations have biases, it indicates that perceptions of bias exist."
Not objective.
#15 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 9 Aug 2010 at 10:11 AM
"According to Dan Sutter of the" Cato Institute.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj20n3/cj20n3-7.pdf
Next.
"John Lott and Kevin Hassett of the American Enterprise Institute"
Oh god:
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/05/rewriting-the-causes-of-the-credit-crisis/
Next.
Come on. I'm sure the Heritage Foundation has some studies you can sight. Maybe you can use a Rense survey? Newt Gingrich I'm sure has published a well researched report on bias.
Hope you didn't strain yourself with all that research.
PS. Due to the 2 link rule and my miscounting, my post got locked in the spam bin twice. Whoopsy.
#16 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 9 Aug 2010 at 10:13 AM
I don't think the bias is exactly 'ideological' . . . I've always felt is was cultural and 'ad hominem', i.e., most journalists are urban and middle class, and because they breathe that air, they don't find anything unusual in writing a Tea Party evaluation in which the target reader, in the mind of the author, is a member of the liberal urban middle class. Hence the sub-head in 'Slate' - 'some people' (who?) think the Tea Party is 'racist'. When you start thinking about the demographic of who constitutes those 'some people', it is easier to see that, in vocabulary and framing, political journalists are (unconciously) writing to an implicitly 'liberal' audience. Their friends and neighbors - in Brooklyn Heights, around Dupont Circle, up in north Chicago, etc.
#17 Posted by Mark Richard, CJR on Mon 9 Aug 2010 at 03:02 PM
Yeah, but Mark, some people think that liberals are elitist snobs. When you start thinking about the demographic of who, you start asking the wrong question.
"Some people think liberals are elitist snobs."
"That's nice, tell me why."
There should be evidence which supports the charge and that is what journalists should focus on.
For instance, "'some people' think the Tea Party is 'racist'".
Why?
Because Some people get emails like this:
"CHECK YOUR MAIL
I just wanted to let you know - today I received my Obama stimulus package for 2010. It contained two watermelon seeds, cornbread mix, and 10 coupons to KFC. The directions were in Spanish. Hope you get yours soon!!"
And from the looks of it, it's not just 'some people':
http://www.google.co.jp/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=CHECK+YOUR+MAILI+just+wanted+to+let+you+know+-+today+I+received+my+Obama+stimulus+package+for+2010.+It+contained+two+watermelon+seeds,+cornbread+mix,+and+10+coupons+to+KFC.+The+directions+were+in+Spanish.+Hope+you+get+yours+soon!!
Arguments about bias and opinion often serve to distract from discussions of substance and evidence. We should be careful when we do so like when there's history of the bias tampering with the substance and the evidence.
#18 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 9 Aug 2010 at 03:39 PM
Harvard study found a liberal bias in the media.
Oklahoma study did the same thing.
MIT study... ditto.
The truth is what it is.
#19 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Mon 9 Aug 2010 at 04:07 PM
Good then. You finally accept the science of climate change because studies can't be faulty and studies never lie.
The truth is what it is. Carbon Taxes for everybody.
Glad to have you on board paddy.
#20 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 9 Aug 2010 at 07:04 PM
The question of the 'target audience' is very relevant. The editor of the NY Times Sunday magazine innocently defended his weekly against charges of 'bias' by saying that he doesn't aim for a readership of liberals so much as he aims for a readership of hip urbanites. The subset is almost identical in practice, so, for instance, Deborah Solomon is going to be contentious toward 'conservative' interviewees, and give wet kisses to liberal ones. I've always felt our political divisions had more to do with class and culture than with ideas. When 'some people think . . . ' or 'some accuse . . . ' shows up in the big dailies or the newsweeklies or whatever, the 'some people' end up being predominantly on the urban/bourgeois demographic - the 'some' means 'me and the people I associate with as friends and colleagues. I think it would be unnatural if political journalism concentrated in NY, DC, etc., did not reflexively interpret politics in a way reflective of the attitudes of their social grouping. One trend that even you must have surely noticed is the heightened emphasis on being hip and happening in the pop-culture sense - and politics and political attitudes are part of pop culture. It's part of urban fashion and urban manners to have an opinion on everything, even if you have only a news-magazine acquaintanc with the personalities and issues.
Also, did I just hear you concede Padikiller's point about the overwhelming predominance of surveys of professional opinion being 'truth'?
#21 Posted by Mark Richard, CJR on Mon 9 Aug 2010 at 08:35 PM
"The subset is almost identical in practice, so, for instance, Deborah Solomon is going to be contentious toward 'conservative' interviewees, and give wet kisses to liberal ones."
Again that depends on your definition of liberal. I have seen the media attack unions, rip into Joan Walsh, and completely ignore many progressives. There is
a narrow window, it is defensive against left and right, and it has moved only to the right in the last three to four decades - with a slight left lurch in 2005 as conservatives lost a great deal of credibility during Katrina.
"Also, did I just hear you concede Padikiller's point about the overwhelming predominance of surveys of professional opinion being 'truth'?"
Well that depends on whether paddy renews his Greenpeace membership, now don't it.
I don't mind a trade.
#22 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 10 Aug 2010 at 05:38 AM
The Greenpeace boats emit too much CO2...
#23 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Tue 10 Aug 2010 at 08:28 AM
No deal then. Sorry Mark.
In other news, Obamunism!
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/113431-white-house-unloads-on-professional-left
"The press secretary dismissed the “professional left” in terms very similar to those used by their opponents on the ideological right, saying, “They will be satisfied when we have Canadian healthcare and we’ve eliminated the Pentagon. That’s not reality.”
Of those who complain that Obama caved to centrists on issues such as healthcare reform, Gibbs said: “They wouldn’t be satisfied if Dennis Kucinich was president.”
The White House, constantly under fire from expected enemies on the right, has been frustrated by nightly attacks on cable news shows catering to the left, where Obama and top lieutenants like Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel have been excoriated for abandoning the public option in healthcare reform; for not moving faster to close the prison at Guantánamo Bay; and for failing, so far, to end the ban on gays serving openly in the military.
Liberals have criticized Obama and his staff for moving to the middle and bargaining on healthcare reform, as well as the financial regulatory overhaul and even the $787 billion economic stimulus package, which some liberals said should have been larger...
Larry Berman, an expert on the presidency and a political science professor at the University of California-Davis, said he has been surprised that liberals aren’t more cognizant of the pragmatism Obama has had to employ to pass landmark reforms.
“And from... the White House perspective, they ought to be able to catch a break from people who, in their view, should be grateful and appreciative.”"
The professional left. Nice. This is how true liberalism gets treated ALL the time. The press loves "pragmatism" and worships "bipartisanship" whereas the "liberal press" treats true liberalism as if it's a paid professional cult that's unserious and hysterical. And Obama plays their tune.
Democrats.. Paid dumbass DLC democrats.. You are killing your base to appease people who will NEVER vote for you and to get campaign money from people who will switch IN AN INSTANT when the republicans offer them better deals.
Screw you Obama and your handpicked team of Rubinite dopes. If you can't even win the hearts and minds of your own voters, how are you supposed to win them in Afghanistan and all that other hawk nonsense?
Tool.
#24 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 10 Aug 2010 at 10:54 AM