John Collins Rudolf writes at The New York Times’s Green blog about the effect Tuesday’s GOP landslide will have on the country’s pitiful high-speed rail efforts.
Wisconsin Governor-elect Scott Walker promises, as he did in the campaign, that he’ll turn down free federal money for a high-speed rail project in his state, a dumb move the LaCrosse Tribune points out “could end up costing the state millions of dollars and thousands of jobs.” Eight hundred million to be exact.
Why would he do that? Because the line will cost the state $750,000 a year to operate—and that’s assuming it gets zero riders and zero fares not to mention the money it will save by taking drivers off the road from Milwaukee to Madison (and help connect them to Chicago). Walker wants to use the money to pave roads, but it’s against the law to do that with those funds.
Hand meet forehead.
But, as Rudolf points out, another GOPer, Representative John Mica of Florida, wants to use the money to boost the Acela corridor:
Mr. Mica said he would like to redirect the rail money to the Northeast corridor, which he described as possibly the only place in the country with enough population density to financially support high-speed train service.
That would be a huge loss for Wisconsin—and a big win for the Northeast. And that’s not the only state turning down stimulus rail funds. Fox Newser John Kasich, now Governer-elect of Ohio, promises to do the same with $400 million.
— Speaking of the GOP, Brad DeLong recalls former Reagan official Bruce Bartlett’s report on how out of it the Tea Party is on taxes (not mentioning, naturally, that the original Boston Tea Party was undertaken to overthrow a tyrannical government of taxation without representation. This Tea Party formed a month after a 53 percent of Americans voted to put Obama in office—nearly two years later, he hasn’t even raised taxes—he’s cut them!)
The first question that was asked concerned the size of government. Tea partiers were asked how much the federal government gets in taxes as a percentage of the gross domestic product. According to Congressional Budget Office data, acceptable answers would be 6.4%, which is the percentage for federal income taxes; 12.7%, which would be for both income taxes and Social Security payroll taxes; or 14.8%, which would represent all federal taxes as a share of GDP in 2009.
Wow. Did you know that? I sure didn’t. I would have guessed 2009 overall federal taxes were about 17 percent or 18 percent of GDP. The press has failed to give proper context on taxation issues—these numbers ought to be talked about way more than they are.
They aren’t, and so you get this (and I understand that Tea Partiers have been propagandized by Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, et al, so it’s not like I can blame the mainstream press for most or even much of this):
Tuesday’s tea party crowd, however, thought that federal taxes were almost three times higher than they actually are. The average response was 42% of GDP and the median was 40%. The highest figure recorded in all of American history was half those figures: 20.9% at the peak of World War II in 1944.
It was a relatively small sample, so take it with something of a grain of salt. But it’s still illuminating.
— Newsosaur Alan Mutter lights into the press for failing to cover the economy and for playing softball with the Obama early in his administration. I don’t agree with everything here: In particular, I’m not as critical of the overall press coverage of the economy in the last couple of years as Mutter has been. I think there has been lots of great work done, though it has surely fallen short given the magnitude of the crisis.
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Your account of the cost of the rail line on Wisconsin taxpayers is inaccurate. Coservatively, you are off by a factor of ten. Who is the know nothing?
#1 Posted by fraley, CJR on Fri 5 Nov 2010 at 12:51 AM
Actually, you would have been right about the usual federal taxes as a percentage of GDP, as the 40-year average is 18% and last year was an outlier, which Bartlett cherry-picks to try and make it seem smaller. While taxes may have gone down a bit, Obama and the Democrats blew out spending, which will lead to much more taxes further down the line, a little bit of "context" for you. The 40% number the tea partiers gave is spot on for the total amount of govt taxation at all levels, guess you're the one who's been swallowing the MSNBC/Maddow propaganda. The tea partiers may not get all the details right- and what random sample of voters would?- but they sure get the broad contours much better than most, even a supposedly knowledgeable "journalist" like yourself.
#2 Posted by Ajay, CJR on Fri 5 Nov 2010 at 05:14 AM
Ajay, as Bartlett clearly says, the Tea Partiers who were surveyed were not a "random sample"--they were from a delegation that had visited Washington specifically to protest tax rates. And they were specifically asked about federal taxes, not about "total govt taxation at all levels." You could perhaps defend their mistake as caused by understandable confusion or ignorance, but you really can't turn around and say that those who point out the error are "swallowing MSNBC/Maddow propaganda." The Tea Partiers got the facts wrong. Period.
#3 Posted by Karl Weber, CJR on Fri 5 Nov 2010 at 01:13 PM
Karl, while they were there to protest tax rates they're obviously not steeped in budgetary minutiae, just like any other interest group made up of normal voters. It's obvious why they were specifically asked about federal taxes, because most people don't bother splitting it out into which govt gets what and the questioners were trying to catch them on that. The funny part was that in answering the question, they actually answered correctly to the real question, how much is govt stealing from us every year? If Chittum is going to make a random ignorant slam about Fox News, I see no reason not to return the favor, even though I similarly have no idea if he watches that MSNBC crap, particularly considering he appears more ignorant of this issue than even the tea partiers. :) Hilarious how I point out the tea partiers got the essential issue right by talking numbers and links and your response is a flat, nonsensical assertion that they were wrong, typical of the know-nothing, anti-tea party crowd. :D
#4 Posted by Ajay, CJR on Fri 5 Nov 2010 at 04:47 PM
Ajay, no.
Overall taxation, including federal, state, and local, in the U.S. is 28%, according to the Heritage Foundation, which has no incentives to lowball it.
#5 Posted by Ryan Chittum, CJR on Sat 6 Nov 2010 at 09:13 AM
Ryan, the Heritage link states a single number, without any data to back it up (my guess is that they lowballed some of the 2009 data that isn't out yet as the 2009 number in my link is close at 30%, an outlier because of the bad economy) . Conversely, each of the charts on the page I linked to links to the complete data and sources. Feel free to fight the data but this highlights how you lefties ignore stats and reality to believe what you want, which is what makes it particularly hilarious when you sneer at normal people for not knowing all the details and yet they know far more than you! :D
#6 Posted by Ajay, CJR on Sat 6 Nov 2010 at 01:20 PM