The Associated Press retracted two government-issued photographs last night after a photographer in Texas alerted the agency that the photos in question appeared to be doctored.
Bob Owen, chief photographer of the San Antonio Express-News, notified the AP that the photos of two deceased soldiers, who died in Iraq on Sept. 14, were nearly identical. Upon examining the photos, Owens noticed that everything except for the soldier’s face, name, and rank was the same. The most glaring similarity, Owen told CJR, was that the camouflage patterns of the two uniforms were “perfectly identical.”
After inspecting the photographs, the AP confirmed that the images were, indeed, Photoshopped, and issued eliminations on the two photos.
The elimination reads:
The content of this image has been digitally altered and does not accurately reflect the scene. No other version of the photo is available.
The photos were released by the U.S. Army at Fort Stewart in Georgia. Officials at the base could not be reached for comment.
“I’d like to think that the media holds itself pretty accountable and we try really hard to keep high standards,” Owen said. “Obviously the army, and the government, doesn’t see anything wrong with that [photo altering] at all.”
With it now clear to virtually everyone that the U.S. government is entirely owned and operated by compulsive liars, I'm not clear why any self-respecting news organization would ever again accept press releases, comments, recordings, videos, or photos from anyone on the federal payroll.
Posted by Rod Miller-Boyer on Fri 19 Sep 2008 at 04:02 PM
Obviously the army, and the government, doesn’t see anything wrong with that [photo altering] at all.
This from the same people who have no problem running naked propaganda from Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad ... what a fucking joke.
Posted by TDC on Fri 19 Sep 2008 at 05:41 PM
i heard one of these young gentlemens mother on the talk radio show today and it was truly sad. she said this was her sons 3rd tour of duty. she said she found out about his death from the news media and the government isn't giving her any answers on what really happened to her son. this is our government at its' worst and this is a dam shame how they are treating this young mans family. just like the johnson case the family was told she committed suicide and to find out she was actually married and now congress is getting involved. we the people and mostly the families need the straight dam truth.
Posted by shawn on Fri 19 Sep 2008 at 05:42 PM
"My government would never do anything that wicked."
"Flush your head out, new guy."
Posted by Andrew Milner on Fri 19 Sep 2008 at 06:09 PM
These two are the ones killed by one of their own soldiers ala vietnam era "fragging"
Posted by kiwi kris on Fri 19 Sep 2008 at 06:10 PM
No big deal,anyone in the military knew that Iraq had nothing todo with 911 or WMD--it was and still is on a pack of lies. What's a few more lies compared to the biggie---We are in Iraq to plunder and kill.1,300,000 Iraqies killed and some jackass photo shoppped some photos--go back to sleep America
Posted by jojo on Fri 19 Sep 2008 at 06:25 PM
Probably a military adviser soldier that got killed in the Russian/Georgia conflict and now that he is dead they need to put on the official list as dead but can't release the soldiers true picture otherwise the Ruskies might match the body up.
Posted by j on Fri 19 Sep 2008 at 06:41 PM
There is no aspect of government or public service that has not been tainted by the Bush administration's need to keep people in the dark about what it does.
Posted by Silvio Levy on Fri 19 Sep 2008 at 07:44 PM
Remember! Jessica Lynch is a hero!
Posted by JV on Fri 19 Sep 2008 at 07:56 PM
We've always been at war with Eastasia
Posted by B. Manifesto on Fri 19 Sep 2008 at 08:03 PM
all of our elected officials (aka our employees) in charge of this current fiasco need to be FIRED.
THROW THE BUMS OUT.
Posted by djones on Fri 19 Sep 2008 at 08:12 PM
I saw that same picture yesterday on YahooNews, but it was associated with a different story. I checked and it has been replaced with a picture that is hardly relevant to the story.
http://news.yahoo.com/story/ap/20080918/ap_on_re_mi_ea/eu_iraq_soldiers_charged;_ylt=Asexnl2hxLg.ZoKjOMDcAxDMWM0F
Posted by t hand on Fri 19 Sep 2008 at 08:34 PM
I have HAD it with the Republicans.
Posted by BlahBlah on Fri 19 Sep 2008 at 08:54 PM
Why TDC, you've never tried to deceptively mislead others by providing biased information, have you?
You know, they always say that the thing you hate the most about others (the media) is the very thing you hate about yourself.
Posted by circusboy on Fri 19 Sep 2008 at 09:02 PM
Pretty sure our military running domestic propaganda campaign is illegal, not just something that should be retracted.
If it isn't, it should be made so "retroactively" (it worked for ATT) and these people punished with something more severe than losing their job.
Posted by anonymous on Fri 19 Sep 2008 at 09:24 PM
Welcome to the Fourth Reich.
Liberalism -What this country was founded on.
Who do Republicans hate. Liberals.
They really do hate us for our rights.
All they have done is try to limit people's rights.
The Taliban would be proud.
Posted by Langx on Fri 19 Sep 2008 at 09:34 PM
The Democrat zealots are the hyper-conservatives. They didn't even want to get rid of that fascist Saddam Hussein.
Posted by Joe Editor on Fri 19 Sep 2008 at 10:06 PM
Not for one TRILLION dollars, no.
Posted by Joe Max on Fri 19 Sep 2008 at 10:11 PM
Joe Editor....did you conveniently forget that it was W's daddy that didn't want to go after Saddam because he and even Cheney understood they would be risking civil war. I wonder what happened to change Cheney's tune....could it be his deferred comp from Halliburton
Posted by Rose on Fri 19 Sep 2008 at 10:51 PM
hate republicans?? Democrats fault??? When will everyone realize that those labels are irrelivant...
We have to demand honesty for our elected officials and not fear the impeachment process!!!!
Posted by truth seeker on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 12:12 AM
What radio show was the mother on? I read about her yesterday on CNN. The parents are distraught because the military won't even tell them how their son was murdered. These two soldiers were both shot by another American soldier on base...and this is how the military tells the media about their deaths. Doctored photos.
http://tinyurl.com/4btnpl
Posted by ShellyT on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 02:28 AM
This is one of the many reasons we can't afford to offer the Whitehouse to the likes of McCain and Palin. They're liars on the campaign, and continue to repeat lies even when confronted. They handle the truth too recklessly, the same way in which Bush got his entrance to be President. That's why this country is in the terrible fix we find ourselves. People will have to decide, do I accept my biases towards having a female on the ticket as the gimick to vote a ticket that mimicks what's in the Whitehouse now, or can I come to terms with my own racist thinking to overcome the problem with lost of homes, jobs, healthcare, social security, the financial instability, and retire two wars we're in. If you can't overcome the above mentioned, then put on your seat belt, because we're headed into a crash where there may be only casualities!
Posted by buddbo1 on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 02:58 AM
In his insightful analysis of the bipolar electoral system, Shatter the Illusions- Patriots Must Reject the Two-Party System, Peter Chamberlin notes that "Both candidates have more or less pledged to continue the failed military policies of Bush and Cheney and pretend that they are not lost causes."
Our love affair with the two-party system has blinded us to the fact that when choosing the lesser of two evils, we are choosing evil. Guaranteed.
Chamberlin warns, "The electoral farce is the epitome of this illusion-creating process. The psychologists and political scientists play on loyalties and human trust in their creation of political candidates who will fill party loyalists with false hope. The roots of the two-party system run through generations of families, workplaces and affiliations, binding unsuspecting sheeple with imaginary bonds of loyalty to lying politicians. Candidates with identical goals are portrayed as opposites, in order to catch naive unsuspecting souls from both sides of the fence in the same net. The illusion that either candidate will honestly represent the people, or work to save America or the world from the predatory forces that corrupt and bind us all, is a dangerous psychological poison that blinds the people to the truth, the only basis of real hope."How can we break from this illusion when all around us persist in believing a shabby, age old lie? Someone has to start with the simple observation that neither set of candidates are will help us realize the hope of truth and freedom.
Posted by whiteaglesoaring on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 03:48 AM
And I used to think that Dick Nixon was the to-lenox
Anti-Christ. Dick Cheney must have picked up some pointers while working for him.
Posted by Abbie Hoffman's ghost on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 08:08 AM
The Army doctored photos???!!! Well boo-phucking-hoo!! But I bet if you guys got ahold of there shredded corpses you'd publish them! Pot, meet Mr. Kettle.....
Posted by Red Neckerson on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 10:27 AM
Bravo to whoever caught those doctored photos. Fool us once..
Posted by bay on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 10:46 AM
"The Army doctored photos???!!! Well boo-phucking-hoo!! But I bet if you guys got ahold of there shredded corpses you'd publish them! Pot, meet Mr. Kettle....."
Gee, Red Neckerson, if you have ever been patriotic enough to be in the military at all, you know that each and every soldier receives an official military portrait toward the end of Basic Training. (Usually at the end of a long day when he or she has gas burns all over the face). The Army didn't have to take photos of a "shredded corpse."
Posted by chaya on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 11:20 AM
Interesting to see those who attempted to camoflage the truth hoist by their own petard.
Posted by xsigs on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 11:36 AM
Photoshop is truly a magical software program.
I'd even be willing to bet that the Republicans power brokers would love nothing more than to find a way to "Photoshop" George W. Bush out of the Twenty-First Century.
Posted by ColdTileFloor on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 11:38 AM
[ Langx "Liberalism -What this country was founded on." ]
Man have you got your wires crossed. This country was founded on Christianity and a desire to be free. Why do some of you insist on keeping this democrat/republican game going on? Thats was got us in this mess to begin with. Divide and conquer is an age old game to keep the sheeple fighting amongst themselves while the politicians on both sides loot and rob us of our wealth, treasures and rights. There not republican rights or democratic rights, there OUR rights, We The People! When this country was founded there were neither republicans or democrats, just Americans. We have to come together people because they are stealing everything we have including our dignity. Our military has been lost for sometime now and are as tricky as our politicians and cannot be trusted. Research USS Liberty, the Gulf of Tonkin, Pearl Harbor, the USS Maine, 9/11 all false flags to get us into wars that the people did not want. They dont care about us. Some were orchestrated by democrats and others by the republicans. Get over this false left/right paradigm and take some history classes and wake up!
Posted by XPIOLT on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 11:40 AM
Somebody better tell Charles Johnson and Michelle Malkin. They are always blaming the AP. Now look who needs the blame.
Posted by Tell the Wingnuts on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 11:40 AM
I am a photographerin the military, the DOD has strict regulations regarding manipulation of offical military images. The photographers in question who altered the images will most likely be in deep crap. One of the biggest reasons there are regulations against it is public perceptions, they dont want to lose credibility when you see a military image.
Posted by phototrooper on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 12:05 PM
I loathe Bush and the damage his policies have done as much as the next man.
But obviously some Army functionary, possibly a Guardsman or Guardswoman from Anywhere USA with no journalism background, maybe not a college graduate, was tasked with providing the picture, only had an Army ID photo and photoshopped it to try to make it seem nicer.
Not saying it was the right thing to do, just that not everything is about the two national political parties and the fight between good and evil. Jeez.
Posted by Bill Kossler on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 12:25 PM
"The Army doctored photos???!!! Well boo-phucking-hoo!! But I bet if you guys got ahold of there shredded corpses you'd publish them! Pot, meet Mr. Kettle....."
Newsflash, Red! Pictures of "shredded bodies" would not need to be doctored. Instead, they would reflect the reality that IS this war. You seem to like idioms, so here is one for your irrelevant comparison: "apples to oranges."
Posted by TennMom on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 12:32 PM
Can someone send me a link to see the doctored photos?
ydsrjbn9iu610us@jetable.com
Posted by Milton on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 12:38 PM
Our government and all there went by the wayside when Bush was elected, so did the media,they are no longer to be trusted either.We are one heartbeat away from communism.In fact I heard a report that we are redder then China now.
Posted by Juli on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 12:55 PM
"Man have you got your wires crossed. This country was founded on Christianity and a desire to be free. "
No, it was not. The pilgrims were forced to come here because they were trying to impose their religion on others - not the other way around. It is also important to remember that the freakin' pilgrims were not the founders of this country. The founders are those people you see pictured on the money in your pocket - and they took great pains to keep christianity OUT of government. For god's sake, learn our basic history before you start talkin'....
Posted by Michael Compton on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 01:34 PM
XPIOLT, while you're telling others to take history classes, you might want to go and Google "Treaty of Tripoli." The U.S. was NOT "founded on Christianity" as you claim. It's true that the founders wanted to end religious persecution by the government, but your statement dramatically oversimplifies the matter.
Posted by BoudicaBitch on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 01:38 PM
Hey TDC
You are the joke. You, your president, your war and yes your flag worship. Could you be any more gullible? Could you be any more of a chauvinist? I think you're maxed out on both.
Posted by jeff on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 01:39 PM
perhaps in the original photos from which their faces were plucked, the gentlemen were wearing "obama '08" tee-shirts.
Posted by karen marie on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 03:19 PM
Now AP should get about holding this corrupt Administration responsible for SOMETHING/ANYTHING.
Posted by Kimberly on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 03:31 PM
The present illegal junta that rules the former united States of America telling the truth about ANYTHING would be a revolutionary act.
Posted by escapefrombushistan on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 04:50 PM
Heck, McainNRovians photoshopped a cute harlot into the VP slot. Makes no difference.
Posted by billolielly on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 04:55 PM
Altered how?
Did they simply edit the backgrounds to make it a US Flag? Was there something deeper than that? Did anyone uncover the unaltered originals?
Posted by N/A on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 06:40 PM
This country was not founded on Christianity. If it had been, then it would have been spelled out in the constitution.
Yes - there is mention of the creator. And to some short-sighted folks... a confirmation of a believe in a creator means Christianity... but, that is not a correct assumption.
Most of the founding fathers were Masons. Masons believe in a divine power / creator... but they welcome Christians, Muslims, and people of all faiths - with the exception of Catholics... who they feel cannot keep a vow of secrecy.
Ask a Mason. Masons pray and talk about God in their meetings... but they are not all Christians.
But I do believe that this country was founded on the same principals taught by Jesus... which are the same as many other religions... basically, the Golden Rule - do unto others.
If the principles this country were founded on could be boiled down to an essence... it would be that every man (and woman) is born into this world equal.
When you truly accept that concept - then you will not try and hamper the freedom of others - because you have no right to do so. You will honor the free will of others as long as it doesn't hamper your free will.
Posted by Elvis Oswald on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 07:25 PM
ENOUGH!
enough with the LIES and CORRUPTION and DESTRUCTION!
Take Back Our Nation!!!
Posted by Kelly on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 07:30 PM
"The Army doctored photos???!!! Well boo-phucking-hoo!! But I bet if you guys got ahold of there shredded corpses you'd publish them! Pot, meet Mr. Kettle....."
Newsflash, Red! Pictures of "shredded bodies" would not need to be doctored. Instead, they would reflect the reality that IS this war. You seem to like idioms, so here is one for your irrelevant comparison: "apples to oranges."
TennMom:
I guess I didn't make my point clear:
I agree the photos should not be altered. I really don't understand why someone would. The fact is that these kids still died (and it looks like through some disturbing circumstances, too). It's still the faces of the two that died (again, why in the hell would someone want to put them on the same body?).
I guess what I am trying to say is 2 boys died and they are making a big deal about the pictures being photoshopped yet they wouldn't think twice (or say anything was wrong) about posting pictures of dead soldier laying in the street (which is what I meant by shredded corpses).
Posted by Red Neckerson on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 07:34 PM
"The Army doctored photos???!!! Well boo-phucking-hoo!! But I bet if you guys got ahold of there shredded corpses you'd publish them! Pot, meet Mr. Kettle....."
Newsflash, Red! Pictures of "shredded bodies" would not need to be doctored. Instead, they would reflect the reality that IS this war. You seem to like idioms, so here is one for your irrelevant comparison: "apples to oranges."
TennMom:
I guess I didn't make my point clear:
I agree the photos should not be altered. I really don't understand why someone would. The fact is that these kids still died (and it looks like through some disturbing circumstances, too). It's still the faces of the two that died (again, why in the hell would someone want to put them on the same body?).
I guess what I am trying to say is 2 boys died and they are making a big deal about the pictures being photoshopped yet they wouldn't think twice (or say anything was wrong) about posting pictures of dead soldier laying in the street (which is what I meant by shredded corpses).
Posted by Red Neckerson on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 07:36 PM
N/A Sat 20 Sep 2008 06:40 PM
Altered how?
Did they simply edit the backgrounds to make it a US Flag? Was there something deeper than that? Did anyone uncover the unaltered originals?
Look at the uniforms. The cammo pattern, arm position, wrinkles and creases: all EXACTLY the same....
Posted by Mike Oxard on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 07:41 PM
You poor bastards. I watch foxtel in Australia and have a fairly good understanding of what's happening over there. I like many of you, I too served in the Military and even served with Americans. I found them to be some of the nicest people I have ever met.
I can only say, you poor buggars, you don't deserve this shit. But where do you go and who can you trust.
Start afresh. Australia is looking for good people. Leave all this crap behind you and come in live over here. I live in the state of Queensland. Its a fantastic place to raise kids. There is thousands of miles of coastline. Large and small towns, Brisbane being the capital with just over 1.5 million people, the next biggest have no more than 200,000 with the majority having under 20,000 down to a couple of thousand. Remember what the US used to be like before all this garbage that is going on.
Australia is a great place. Ask any American who has met an Australian before. We are good people, and we need more good people. Doesn't make any difference to us if you are black or white or what ethnic background, who cares as long as you don't bring any abad feelings or beliefs. Australia is a very tolerant country which is prodominantly christian. We believe in free speach, freedom of worship and everyone over here who is over 18 years of age has to vote. Therefore, the majority picks who will govern you, not the minority.
We are extremely tolerant, we believe in God and we live in an urban environment which is ideal to raise our kids.
Unlike many other countries in the world, we like Americans. So what are you waiting for, start afresh and give you and your family what you truely deserve, a new start for you kids and their grandchildren.
Posted by Adrian Surplice on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 09:24 PM
This is a non-issue
What should really horrify us all is government's near total control of the media, and the fact that it's strictly forbidden to photograph flag draped coffins of returning dead Americans.
Now that's outrageous!
Posted by ColdTileFloor on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 09:50 PM
Yo Adrian,
Tell them how your higher education (college) works (as far as finacing it goes).
BTW.....FBO!!!!!!
Posted by Rocky Balboa on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 09:51 PM
Redneckerson: When have You EVER! EVER! seen photos of US soldiers lying in the street from the Iraq war? I watch both internet and television news every day and have never seen one. Please enlighten us. Provide a link or something...or just continue to troll and make unsupportable statements.
Posted by Sam Barber on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 10:07 PM
djones has the right idea.
we need to vote out EVERY SINGLE INCUMBENT.
Clean house.
Posted by dave on Sat 20 Sep 2008 at 11:53 PM
Adrian
You Aussies are top shelf. I have had many friends tell me how beautiful Australia is and how great the people are. If I were thirty years younger I would take up your offer. Cheers!
Posted by John Driessler on Sun 21 Sep 2008 at 12:34 AM
I'm an Aussie too. We basically get a government loan for our higher education which we have to pay back once we reach a certain income threshhold. When I was at uni, the cost was very low but recently it has got more expensive for more prestigious degrees ... I think it is about $100,000 for a medical degree.
Australia is like how America used to be. At least our impression of how it used to be. I lived in New Jersey for four years. I'm sorry to say it but our general impression was that your country is being run by complete charlatans. They are very corrupt, violent, they've never earned an honest dollar in their lives and to make sure that things stay that way, they silence you with complete falsifications of modern history ( as to what happened in Europe 50 years ago). That said, it's still a great country in many ways. Americans are really nice people - ignorant of anything outside America but for the most part your hearts are in the right place and I think that's it's saving grace at the moment. Don't come to Australia though because America still has heaps going for it.
Posted by Miriam on Sun 21 Sep 2008 at 01:46 AM
This aint an Iraq Casualty.
This is the guy who was captured by Russia who died after taking a hit in South Ossetia,
I saw him on t.v. during my last trip to Russia, he was an American advisor who was helping the Georgians during the failed invasion of South Ossetia. The Pentagon is obviously trying to hide this guys identity by mixing him into Iraq Casualty reports.
This Guy was taken to a hospital in Vladivistok after he was hit, and died shortly after. His Passport was shown on Russian NTV.
Posted by dwight on Sun 21 Sep 2008 at 01:54 AM
Fuck me dead, what the hell is going on in your country. Why don't you mob do something about it. The US of A is the world's peace kepper but it appears to me that you mob are on the path of self destruct.
Stop listening to crap that is really in important. Something I learnt whilst in the job (coppers for you lot over there) shit happens.
Do something about it. Get off your big fat arses and vote in the Presidental elections.
You mob are becoming hinesight potatoe specialists.
For fuck sake. Do something about it. Become the America you used to be, your people have died in battles to make you the greatest country in the world. Americans have worked their arse off in the past to make you who you are.
I am currently watching a show of TV staring Morgan Freeman. It is a shame that you don't take a leaf out of his book.
Remember the song "Over here, over there, the Yanks are coming, the Yanks are coming".
Stop bitching. Do something about it.
Adrian from Australia
Posted by Adrian Surplice on Sun 21 Sep 2008 at 07:15 AM
Something tells me McCain and Palin are going to take the day.
That's going to be a disaster for this country.
And, like those with Bush today, these very same folks will moan and groan during the disaster that such an absurd ticket will surely quarantee, Ms. Palin waving the flag as we invade Micronesia or wherever else these bloodthirsty pigs think we ought to spread "Christianity" next (especially if there's oil there?).
But one thing must not be forgotten as we get our collective asses kicked by another corporate dictatorship (This time with abstinence classes!):
All those voting for McCain/Palin bear full responsibility for the mess to come. Their apologies will be meaningless and frankly, I think the lot of them should be held responsible en masse.
I mean, what did we build all those camps for anyway?
Posted by Tom on Sun 21 Sep 2008 at 09:34 AM
Pfft!
Terrorists in uniform are still terrorists.
They don't deserve their picture to be posted anywhere. At least this one won't be taking any more innocent lives.
He got what he deserves.
Posted by proud non american on Sun 21 Sep 2008 at 09:36 AM
Pfft!
Terrorists in uniform are still terrorists.
They don't deserve their picture to be posted anywhere. At least this one won't be taking any more innocent lives.
He got what he deserves.
Posted by proud non american on Sun 21 Sep 2008 at 09:37 AM
Why do we dumbfucks Americans always look to the government to give us the “official” answer? You know I’ve been watching programs lately on UFO’s, and almost the entire program is dedicated to classified, unclassified government documents on the UFO’s, government insiders who don’t want to be revealed ..etc. Why do we give a shit if the government does or does not give its blessing that UFO’s exist???
Why do we need the government which by the way is composed of people worse of than you since they could not make a living in the private sector, dishing out their version and official reports. Fuck em why do we give them so much power, believe what you want to believe don’t look to the government for answers or guidance you dumb shits.
Posted by Joe Patriot on Sun 21 Sep 2008 at 11:56 AM
Why would "they" do this ?? What is the REASON ???
Posted by Thomas on Sun 21 Sep 2008 at 12:09 PM
All well and good on the internet. The poor saps who rely on television and their local newspaper will never hear of this and will continue to believe they live in a country where the media largely tells the truth.
Posted by smchris on Sun 21 Sep 2008 at 12:23 PM
I have to agree with dwight to some extent. This could be a cover to avoid a larger international incident with Russia. Someone should check if this solder's deployment papers were also altered in some way since August 1st, 2008. If his initial deployment was considered an "Iraq" casualty, then that should be listed in the currently military manifest. Unfortnately, civilians would not have access to that information - only the military. Then again, there's always JAG which can investigate further.
Posted by Paul on Sun 21 Sep 2008 at 03:01 PM
America is about to invade FATA areas in Pakistan with the help of the Pakistani version neo-cons, i.e. the present government. Nothing has changed only the faces. When its time for the Jackal to die, it comes out to the town, so obviously someone shoots it dead. After the humiliating defeat in Iraq and Afghanistan of the so called world sole superpower, the attack on FATA will be the last nail in America's coffin. No wonder people are praying it does that stupid mistake soon. There will be no more America by the time of the next US President election, i.e. in 2012. It will be called NAU but for that to happen, the America must get itself in such a shit hole THAT IT CANT GET OUT OF
Posted by Khan on Sun 21 Sep 2008 at 03:39 PM
Why the big surprise? Don't you remember the war was launched on lies? WMD's, 911, spreading democracy and freedom - all a bunch of lies used to justify the unjustifiable: the invasion and occupation of a country that had done nothing to us. Wake up and smell the coffee; we're not the good guys anymore!
Posted by Ana on Sun 21 Sep 2008 at 05:04 PM
Tell me
These forthcoming elections you are having in the US, the way I see it down under in OZ, irrespective of the outcome, it looks to me as though you could end up just re arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
I wish you the best of luck. You mob certainly need it.
Posted by Adrian Surplice on Sun 21 Sep 2008 at 07:33 PM
More evidence that we need to kick Republicans out of office. Even John McCain has had a hand in preventing the accurate dissemination of information about veterans (likely because he didn't want some of the information about how he complied with his captors to leak as it would certainly damage any semblance of credibility he has left).
We need true leaders like Barack Obama and Joseph Biden!
Comments welcome: http://whenelephantsfly.blogspot.com
Posted by When Elephants Fly (http://whenelephantsfly.blogspot.com) on Sun 21 Sep 2008 at 08:02 PM
To When Elephants Fly.
Your comments regarding John McCain complying with his captors to leak information is a slap in the face to all POW, not only Vietnam but also Korea, WW1 and 2.
How would you have responded under the same circumstances, if it had have been you, I think your name would now be Ting Hon Ngu and you would be living in Saigong.
Old saying mate, if you haven' earnt the right to own and wear the T Shirt, shut the fuck up.
Adrian
Australia
Posted by Adrian Surplice on Sun 21 Sep 2008 at 08:27 PM
As one who served this deceitful, thankless, and unforgving nation during and over three major engagements in combat, and a dozen minor conflagrations, and then BETRAYED along with 432,000 cohorts on retired pay and the loss of our earned life-long health care I think this is good. All successor service troops have it coming to them. What else is new?
Posted by wdgray on Sun 21 Sep 2008 at 10:34 PM
As one who served this deceitful, thankless, and unforgving nation during and over three major engagements in combat, and a dozen minor conflagrations, and then BETRAYED along with 432,000 cohorts on retired pay and the loss of our earned life-long health care I think this is good. All successor service troops have it coming to them. What else is new?
Posted by wdgray on Sun 21 Sep 2008 at 10:36 PM
This altered photo incident is brought to you from the same people who covered up Pat Tillman's fratricide.
Posted by Alfie on Mon 22 Sep 2008 at 01:50 PM
They get them killed in a for-profit war fueled by outright lies - then they slash their damn benefits (benefits earned with blood and more) - then they use their deaths as propaganda tools. The 'people' in this administration really are [I]evil[/I].....There's just no other word to describe them. I'm no christian, but sometimes i wish i were, just so i could content myself with the knowledge that they would all rot in hell. Sadly, since they own our judicial system, they will [I]never[/I] receive the justice they so richly deserve.
[Oh, and for the record, the founders were mainly deists - not christians. That is historical fact, and no amount of BS revisionist history on the part of r-wingers will ever change that. They were, in fact, practitioners of the sort of faith that most r-wingers/evangelists mock as being little more than a half step above heathens.
Posted by Michael Compton on Tue 23 Sep 2008 at 05:46 PM
As a military photographer, I don't appreciate being called a murderer or a propagandist. Not all of us are ethically challenged. I don't condone or agree with the altering of photos, but let's not lump all military people together with a few bad apples. After all, NO ONE posting here is innocent of some bias or unethical behavior. Yours truly included.
Posted by morgan on Wed 24 Sep 2008 at 10:38 PM
Just out of curosity, it this a Democrats only page, just wondering thats all.
Posted by Adrian Surplice on Thu 25 Sep 2008 at 08:45 AM
Bomb Israel (asap) and get done with all these criminals.
Posted by pat stetson on Tue 18 Nov 2008 at 10:21 PM
"As a military photographer, I don't appreciate being called a murderer or a propagandist. Not all of us are ethically challenged."
If you are a member of the US Military, you are definitely ethically and morally challenged for killing the poorest people in the world for Empire without caring about the crimes you are committing in the name of all Americans. Resign if you have any morals left or do you participate for the next re-enlistment bonus?
Posted by Kramer on Wed 19 Nov 2008 at 06:37 AM
Since the photo in question was altered to provide a photo for use at the soldier's (unit) memorial service, then provided when a photo was requested by the AP, I think most of your comments here reflect pre-judgement at best, an addiction to hate at worst. Rather pathetic, particularly if most of the comments are from journalism students.
Posted by Well Seasoned on Thu 20 Nov 2008 at 12:18 PM
It is nice to see that you have a freedom of speech to knock our government. The problem is that no one gets the fact that NO ONE WANTS WAR BUT some time the OTHER SIDE IS NOT REASONABLE and WAR IS THE ONLY ANSWER THEY RESPOND TO. Don't you get it they die and fight for our freedoms that you all take for granted. Well all I know is that I love my army and the men and woman that serve it. They understand the greatness of our country and get the fact that it is worth fight and shedding blood for. Instead of making this sites why don't you get off you behinds and send our troops comfort packages. Instead of saying it is worthless it is not to them and by talking this way doesn't help their causes. i just want to say ALL DEMOCRATS MAKE ME SICK.
Posted by REPUBLICAN on Wed 3 Dec 2008 at 04:14 PM