Veterans Today, an online-only publication, features writing by veterans, for veterans. The site focuses on a whole range of topics, from disability benefits to veteran suicide rates, but lately the editors at Veterans Today have been posting frequently in support of the Occupy Wall Street protests. Jim W. Dean, one of the managing editors at Veterans Today, says the economic disparities that these protests focus on are of particular importance to vets. “We veterans need to take a more public stance,” says Dean. “Our position is, if all we’re ever doing is scrambling for vet benefits and staying quiet on everything else, than nothing is going to change.”
With veterans outpacing the rest of the population in terms of unemployment, depression, homelessness, and a host of lingering medical problems and disabilities, the Occupy movement has become a hot issue for current and former members of the military. And when former US Marine Scott Olsen suffered a fractured skull at an Occupy Oakland protest, outrage skyrocketed. Approximately 100 uniformed veterans took to the streets of Manhattan last Wednesday in support of Occupy Wall Street and Olsen. Most recently, senior editor Gordon Duff wrote about this weekend’s alleged attack on former Army Ranger Kavyan Sabeghi:
This is now two episodes of use of lethal force against military veterans by Oakland police. The last incident may indicate a pattern of targeting of military personnel or veterans by police.
It’s not just that these vets personally identify with Olsen and Sabeghi. Some said that, according to their knowledge of police procedure, what the cops have been doing in Oakland is illegal. On the blog Ranger Against War, Jim Hruska writes mainly opinionated posts about current events and military issues. Hruska was a training specialist for the Department of Defense’s terrorism counteraction unit before retiring from the military in 1989. He says that, ironically, using tear gas is illegal on the battlefield, but not in civilian riot control. However, he says the way tear gas was used in Oakland could be illegal, since police are supposed to use minimum force. “That’s not protecting and serving,” says Hruska. “It’s a potentially fatal weapon to be using on the streets of America.”
Hruska writes:
If U.S. police have used CS or CN (tear gas) against citizens in Occupy Wall Street (OWS) protests, they are violating current Chemical Weapons Conventions which ban the use of these chemicals on the battlefield. But of course, citizens are not accorded the rights given combatants.
He goes on to decry what he sees as a blatant hypocrisy:
Strange days when the U.S. traipses halfway ‘round the world to create ripe environments in which democracy might take root, while bashing those fruits at home.
Similar opinions have been expressed on Veterans Today, and Dean says that, to his knowledge, using these “non-lethal” weapons is illegal: “Under standard crowd control laws, using rubber bullets or tear gas can only be done when someone has committed felony acts.” Dean said he’s been going down to the Occupy protests near him in Atlanta and asking police, “What are your procedures for crowd control? And what training do you give the officers?”
Not all veterans are in agreement. Jonn Lilyeah blogged about Scott Olsen on his This Ain’t Hell page:
Now, the hippies get to hide behind Olsen’s broken body and make a martyr of him someone they would have spit on a few weeks ago and called a baby-killer. Scott, if you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
Lilyea says he “feels bad that Olsen was injured,” but is ambivalent about who was responsible for his injury: “He was standing between people throwing rocks and the cops.” But the real issue is that Olsen is a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War and Veterans for Peace. “Those groups represent the opposite of what I believe in,” says Lilyea, “The focus of my blog is to try and give people a better view of what veterans are, rather than people like Scott Olsen.”

Wow! Good to see Veterans Today covering the OWS protests ... I am glad to see Veterans Today concentrating on things other than Holocaust Denial and Gordon Duff's stories on how the Israelis were behind 9/11.
Its interesting that out of the thousands of milblogs, CJR decided to poll the denziens at Veterans Today. Very nice.
#1 Posted by Mike H, CJR on Mon 7 Nov 2011 at 09:59 PM
Ouch. You'd have been better off going with something like stripes:
http://www.stripes.com/news/us/injury-to-former-marine-spurs-vets-to-join-occupy-movement-1.159483
Or the military times:
http://www.militarytimes.com/news/2011/11/ap-veterans-lend-influence-to-occupy-movement-110311/
#2 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 8 Nov 2011 at 01:53 AM
Lilyeah gets it wrong on three counts:
1. The people who bravely ran back after the flash bang to cart the veteran away were NOT veterans;
2. The crowd did not provoke the attack, and
3. The reports of veterans being abused by anti-war protesters has been REFUTED elegantly by Jeremy Lemke in his book "The Spitting Image" and in the film Sir! No Sir! where Mr.Lilyeah can learn undistorted history about WHY the Vietnam War ended in a troop mutiny.
The psychotic military leaders learned their lesson: use an economic hardship backdoor draft and drones to carry on a prolonged and growingly unpopular war status.
#3 Posted by Dr. Lisa Barr, CJR on Tue 8 Nov 2011 at 09:54 AM
"use economic hardship, backdoor draft, and drones to carry on a prolonged and growingly unpopular war."
From the looks of it, she has a point.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hItWiBQp_T8otsFWqCKAgAgHEOUQ?docId=CNG.bf593e0eca0b9cc12ef04ee7e46c8e51.431
#4 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 8 Nov 2011 at 10:10 AM
Despite the well documented holes in Lembcke’s thesis, “The Spitting Image” is one of those pieces that liberal America wants so desperately to be true, that they will ignore Lembcke’s shod-diddly-oddy investigation and obvious personal motivation. Sorry, but Jerry Lembcke is full of shit, always has been, always will be.
#5 Posted by Mike H, CJR on Tue 8 Nov 2011 at 10:32 AM
Liyeah really needs to watch the videos and set aside his hatred of liberals who are anti-war. Keep mind that they are the 99% just like you are! Hating them (they who are of your class) supports the 1% that sent you to war for their own profits in the first place...divide and conquer. I don't think that Liyeah also understands how complicated life is: I am anti-war. I am currently encouraging a friend who is going back to Afghanistan because I want him to come back alive and well; he is MY FRIEND! Through out these horrible wars I find myself signing petition after petition, phone call after phone call, the occasional protest and sending care package after care package to the troops, some I know most I do not! And I am not alone in this. No one I know blames the troops for the mess our government has gotten them into. Stop seeing protestors through Rush Limbaugh's eyes and actually talk to a few; you will find they are human and part of the 99% JUST LIKE YOU!
#6 Posted by Debbi Atkinson, CJR on Tue 8 Nov 2011 at 11:46 AM
I'm sorry that this may be off-beat a little but here goes. I am a veteran who lubes in Los Angeles near UCLA and across the 405 freeway from the Veterans Administration. If you go west on Santa Monica Blvd. from the 405 freeway between 15th Street and the Pacific Ocean it is a sea itself of homeless Veterans and young and old adults which is not talked about on our local news and national news. It breaks my heart even more then war has to see these brave Hero's come home to nothing and I mean nothing. It's just not the veterans that concern me but the amount of homelessness across the board of young teenage kids below 18 years of age and the elderly. It worries me not only for the compassion for these folks whether their veterans or just homeless because I was homeless for over 5 years in this very same area years ago and I find myself wondering these days what will happen to me when I am older and face this delma again because of age, will I die on the streets with no name and no one to claim my body, will the VA still bury me in a decent and honorable way? This is the saddest time in American History for me since the early 1970's to see sooo many returning veterans coming home to absolutely nothing.
#7 Posted by A Patriot, CJR on Tue 8 Nov 2011 at 12:12 PM
It is time for the 2ed American revolution to start.
#8 Posted by Manual arbor, CJR on Tue 8 Nov 2011 at 01:11 PM
We need to stop mil recruitment in high schools. Need to provide college or its equivalent free to our youth, so they can freely choose mil if they want. But they should know that wars are for corporate greed, not for freedom. It is just as important to keep our country from dying.
#9 Posted by irene, CJR on Tue 8 Nov 2011 at 02:08 PM
Unfortunately the attitude of many soldiers is that they haven't been supported, they've had to slog through hell to make their way, and that these protests on behalf of societial inequality and the unemployed aren't really for those who've had to put up with worse for much longer as a duty. For example:
http://militarygear.com/asp/2011/10/18/the-0-45er/
But I think others recognize that it hasn't been the 99% who have sent underequiped and under prepared armies into fights while working around the edges to cut their benefits and to keep them operational long after their contracts had expired. Someone is profiting from their fight and it isn't general Americans. There's a lot more in common between the soldier and the protestor than there are separating them.
And both, in their own ways, are fighting for a better/more just world.
#10 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 8 Nov 2011 at 02:28 PM
I seriously do not know how to feel about anyone who finds a reason to say
anything bad about vets. Anyone who has set foot on foreign soil so that others would not have to deserve 110% respect. They should not be homeless,abandoned and uncared for. My heart hurts to even read/hear other vets disrepecting each other. We fight the "enemy" over there. We fight the VA for our benefits here. We fight for respect from the media,bloggers, the police and now each other. This hurts.
#11 Posted by linda swain, CJR on Fri 11 Nov 2011 at 08:43 PM
I am a retired senior NCO, US Army Military Police. I served Acttive Duty with the National Guard here in California for 24 years. The MP units here in Ca are tasked with primary response in the event of civil disturbance. That mission was one of our top priorities my entire career.
Hruska is completely wrong about use of force by civilian law enforcement. He is a partizan trying to change the subject in order to indict the police.
He is acting as an agitator for them, by maligning the police response to a violent crowd as "brutality", when there is no special right enjoyed by any mob to disobey lawful orders to disperse or disobey trespassing, public health, no camping or any other laws if your politics or viewpoint are a certain kind. IF the old lady selling her garden vegetables for money is subject to those laws, OWS is most certainly not exempt.
If Hruska is so concerned about 'fairness' and rule of law, he should be waiting for the investigations to be finished.
#12 Posted by SGT Ted, CJR on Mon 14 Nov 2011 at 12:43 PM
Arrest the heads of MF Global , As long as MF global executives are free WE WILL OCCUPY
#13 Posted by Moses Kestenbaum, Williamsburg ODA , CJR on Thu 17 Nov 2011 at 08:58 AM