Media Matters, a group dedicated to bird-dogging conservative spin in the press, made a good catch last week when it pointed out that The Wall Street Journal didn’t publish a wave-making op-ed that disavowed global-warming skepticism in its US edition.
In late October, Dr. Richard A. Muller, a physicist at the University of California, Berkeley who is well known for his skepticism of the science behind climate change, made headlines when he released the results of a two-year global land temperature study, partly funded by the conservative Charles G. Koch Foundation. To Muller’s surprise, the study found that the Earth’s temperature has risen roughly 1 degree Celsius in the last fifty years, a result that is in accord with previous research. The day after the results of the study went public, the Journal published an op-ed by Muller headlined, “The Case Against Global-Warming Skepticism.”
The Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature (BEST) project quickly became big news, and many outlets mentioned Muller’s column. But there seems to have been some confusion about where it appeared. In a roundup of coverage, the Knight Science Journalism Tracker suggested it was “best to read Muller’s sly way of explaining the thing himself today on the Op-Ed page of the Wall Street Journal.” The only problem was, it didn’t run on the Journal’s op-ed page, at least not in the US. The op-ed only ran in the European and online editions.
Given the Journal’s massive online following, it would be unfair to say that the paper buried Muller’s op-ed, but given that it didn’t appear in the Journal’s flagship edition, it is fair to say that it marginalized the piece. This appears all the more true in light of the paper’s decision to publish an editorial four days after the release of the BEST analysis, which pooh-poohed efforts to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions under the headline, “The Post-Global Warming World.”
Then, on November 5, the US edition carried a “Numbers Guy” column by Carl Bialik that focused on the “uncertain nature of tracking global temperature,” and carried the headline, “Global Temperatures: All Over the Map.” The piece was essentially a feeble attempt to rebut Muller’s confidence in the temperature record.
Media Matters ably dismantled Bialik’s piece. Part of Bialik’s case hinges on the argument, popular among skeptics, that satellite measurements “show about half the amount of warming as that of land-based readings in the past three decades.” As NASA’s Gavin Schmidt explained to Media Matters, this is simply not true.
Historically, there have been problematic discrepancies between surface-station and satellite temperature records (the latter of which measures temps in the lower atmosphere—an important detail that Bialik failed to mention), but they have been largely reconciled. According to a 2006 report from the US Climate Change Science Program:
Previously reported discrepancies between the amount of warming near the surface and higher in the atmosphere have been used to challenge the reliability of climate models and the reality of human induced global warming. Specifically, surface data showed substantial global-average warming, while early versions of satellite and radiosonde data showed little or no warming above the surface. This significant discrepancy no longer exists because errors in the satellite and radiosonde data have been identified and corrected.
It remains uncertain whether or not, in the last three decades, lower atmospheric warming has exceeded warming at the surface, as models predicted it should, and scientists need to figure out why they have been unable to make that determination. Nonetheless, according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, there has been very good agreement between the warming trends seen in most surface-station and satellite data.
The second part of Bialik’s case hinges on the fact that temperature research teams use different techniques to arrive at their conclusions:
Calculating a global average temperature requires extrapolating from these readings to the whole globe, adjusting for data lapses and suspect stations. And no two groups do this identically Any statistical model produces results with some level of uncertainty. The Berkeley Earth project is no different.
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Wow, reprinting hit pieces from Media Matters (and lets be honest, that’s what the Soros created Media Matters does) … slow news day?
It remains uncertain whether or not, in the last three decades, lower atmospheric warming has exceeded warming at the surface, as models predicted it should, and scientists need to figure out why they have been unable to make that determination.
Kevin Trenberth already figured it out, get with the times!
The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate
You see, they are so confident in the accuracy and precision of their unverified/unvaldiated general circulation models that a very real discrepancy CAN ONLY be accounted for by instrumentation errors, nothing else. Some might call this “hubris”, but as we all well know, the science is so rock solid on AGW that this is the only explanation.
#1 Posted by Mike H, CJR on Thu 17 Nov 2011 at 06:10 PM
Wild incoherence will often trump conspiracy at News Corp.
Sir Peter Stothard of The TLS savaged Robert Hughes's "Rome" to the point that its credibility evaporated. (He whacked it in Australia as well).
Nonetheless, in WSJ Magazine recently appeared a glossy promotion and excerpt from "Rome." As if letting the left hand know what the right hand is up to is strictly forbidden.
It is indicative that WSJ would not only let 'numbers guy' and editorial comment drift apart, but that the paper's 'plausible explanations guy' would also think that that incoherence is natural.
I am a strong supporter of News Corp. in that I think some of its media properties are among the very best in the world: The Sunday Times of London, The TLS, aspects of The Australian, including its Higher Education section, and the weekend WSJ at times. Yet The Australian feels compelled to introduce into its HE section a mindless blog, The Common Room, that drifts zigzagedly away from HE news articles.
By some miracle, Murdoch's HarperCollins helped produce the COBUILD system. Yet the company allows Cambridge's IELTS to eat away into its natural and rightful potential market for its powerful English teaching tools.
Just as with its surveillance pathology, News Corp. news and comment incoherence is a born-to-the-manner feature of Murdoch's thinking and behavior.
What I have recommended in relation to Murdoch's literary matters is an international News Corp. advisory board to keep track of everything across the time zones and pick up on the frequent lapses. And help plan strategy and tactics. Typically, the answer has been a stunned silence. Or, more probably, Murdoch didn't even bother to read the text.
#2 Posted by Clayton Burns, CJR on Thu 17 Nov 2011 at 06:26 PM
The oddest part of this is that Sir Rupert Murdoch has expressed strong personal opinions on climate change that are completely at odds with those of most of his media properties. He's also put his money where his mouth is, committing News Corp. to the admittedlly vague goal of carbon neutrality. So climate change is a fact in News Corp's business model, but a myth on its editorial pages.
http://www.newscorp.com/energy/
#3 Posted by Peter Dykstra, CJR on Fri 18 Nov 2011 at 10:41 AM
re meaning of the oft-misinterpreted Trenberth quote, googlie "Trenberth" "travesty" site:skepticalscience.com
#4 Posted by Anna Haynes, CJR on Fri 18 Nov 2011 at 12:25 PM
It looks that, after being scrutinized by many respected climate scientists, especially by Muller's own colleague in BEST, Dr. Judith Curry, Dr. Muller's conclusions have been placed in the "scientific garbage" drawer
WSJ is taking an excellent step by not contributing to misinformation on the already full of garbage field of climate science.
#5 Posted by Eduardo Ferreyra, CJR on Fri 18 Nov 2011 at 12:43 PM
(and Peter, you'll find a lot of voluntary carbon-neutrality efforts among the delayerati; it's protective coloration, and also misdirection in that it portrays voluntary action (without govt regs) as the solution. See Sharon Begley "Green shopping won't save the planet" on this.)
#6 Posted by Anna Haynes, CJR on Fri 18 Nov 2011 at 01:26 PM
Mike H is a big fan of science:
http://www.cjr.org/the_observatory/salazar_calls_for_coverage.php#comment-52976
until he isn't.
By the way Mikey, what did you think of that Koch Funded Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature Study?
#7 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Fri 18 Nov 2011 at 06:34 PM
Time to toll the Global Warming Reality Bell, so here's The Real Deal from a Nobel Laureate Physicist who resigned from the American Physical Association over the association's silly global warming silliness:
"Thank you for your letter inquiring about my membership. I did not renew it because I can not live with the statement below:
Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate. Greenhouse gases include carbon dioxide as well as methane, nitrous oxide and other gases. They are emitted from fossil fuel combustion and a range of industrial and agricultural processes.
The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring.
If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth's physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.
In the APS it is ok to discuss whether the mass of the proton changes over time and how a multi-universe behaves, but the evidence of global warming is incontrovertible? The claim (how can you measure the average temperature of the whole earth for a whole year?) is that the temperature has changed from ~288.0 to ~288.8 degree Kelvin in about 150 years, which (if true) means to me is that the temperature has been amazingly stable, and both human health and happiness have definitely improved in this 'warming' period.
Best regards,
Ivar Giaever
Nobel Laureate 1973"
#8 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Fri 18 Nov 2011 at 09:40 PM
And, considering the amount of times he's spammed that, Ivar Giaever's little emo letter is the best he's got.
Thanks for the contribution... again.
Meanwhile, in other news:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/8898306/Global-warming-250-million-years-ago-would-have-caused-hell-on-Earth.html
And this is relevant because:
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/eo20111116mr.html
But it's okay. The more paidkiller posts, the less alarmed I am about potential extinction.
#9 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Sat 19 Nov 2011 at 02:18 AM
Notice that Thimbles attacks me for posting Dr. Giaver's letter, but does not address the substance of his letter.
This response is typical of the "advocates of government-endorsed redistribution of wealth" (who can no longer be called "commies" under Pravda's.. er, I mean CJR's new commenting censorship policy).
Indeed, though one would think that the fact that Nobel Laureate physicist resigned his membership over AGW silliness would make the news in medial so otherwise obsessed with "global warming", curiously, such was not the case. Not a peep about it from the New York Times or the Washington Post. Go figure.
Well, the substance of the letter deserves to be addressed.
1. How can one accurately determine an average annual global temperature with a certainty that supports the claims of AGW proponents?
2. A temperature increase from 288.0 K to 288.8 K in 150 years (a 0.27% increase, if it happened) is insignificant.
3. This temperature increase (if it happened) did not come to the detriment of humanity, but instead coincided with a unparalleled period of prosperity and population growth.
#10 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Sat 19 Nov 2011 at 08:16 AM
"2. A temperature increase from 288.0 K to 288.8 K in 150 years (a 0.27% increase, if it happened) is insignificant"
Thanks paid killer. That' s a temperature range conveniently measured from Absolute Zero to ambient. Leaving a 0.8 degree change seeming trivial. But of course our planet doesn't function at Absolute zero does it. Or reach it, or even remotely close to it.
As cosmologists endlessly remind us, life on Earth is entirely dependent on a world where an improbable number of essential environmental conditions have to be sustained within a narrow range. Like humidity and radiation and seasonal variability and atmospheric pressure / composition and so on and so on.
#11 Posted by Macadamia man, CJR on Sun 20 Nov 2011 at 09:57 AM
Macadamia wrote: "But of course our planet doesn't function at Absolute zero does it."
padikiller responds: No.. Because we have this "sun" thing 90 million miles away that has kept our average global temperature from deviating less than 1 degree over the last 150 years (even if you believe the AGW silliness).
And the Kelvin scale is the only appropriate temperature scale to use. That's why those "scientist-guys" use it.
#12 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Sun 20 Nov 2011 at 12:44 PM
As has been mentioned in the past, when measuring changes in heat energy within a non-uniform system, temperature change alone does not give an accurate picture.
You're shifting the equilibrium which produces physical changes in addition to temperature changes. The physical changes consume / release heat in relation to the heat energy change, stabilizing the temperature.
So when we talk about atmospheric warming, it's not enough to measure shifts in temperature. One has to measure shifts in sea ice, arctic permafrost, glacial regions, deep ocean methyl hydrate.
Same goes for carbon dioxide. It's not enough to measure the shift in carbon in the air since the ocean acts as a huge atmospheric stabilizer by dissolving carbon dioxide into it much like the contents of a pop bottle. The problem being, carbon dioxide stays in solution within a pop bottle at a certain temperature and a certain pressure. Shifts in either can cause carbon to get ejected out of solution.
We are getting to the stage where the processes of global warming and carbon dioxide release won't be dictated by human activities anymore. They will be environmental reactions to the changes we've produced and we will have no means to mitigate them. Once we melt the arctic, how do you propose we re-freeze it? That's the scale of the problems we will be facing by avoiding the challenges of today.
#13 Posted by ThImbles, CJR on Sun 20 Nov 2011 at 02:31 PM
Thimbles wrote: We are getting to the stage where the processes of global warming and carbon dioxide release won't be dictated by human activities anymore. They will be environmental reactions to the changes we've produced and we will have no means to mitigate them.
padikiller responds: This is the standard Chicken Little AGW Schtick. But there is no science to support this assertion. Indeed, the feedback mechanisms are the great unknown in the global warming debate.
There are of course trillions of "means to mitigate" atmospheric CO2. They're called "plants". CO2 is plant food.
And finally as a practical matter... Nothing is going to stop CO2 production any time soon. Not UN resolutions. Not carbon offset credits. Not taxation. Nothing.
The population of the world is increasing, as is its energy consumption. And fossil fuels are the only practical means of providing this energy for at least the next 20 years.
#14 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Sun 20 Nov 2011 at 08:01 PM
'padikiller,' why not just soak your head in warm water and give up?
You are embarrassing yourself.
What if somehow your name came out?
Then everyone would know the absolute worst.
We had better all start Twittering and Twittering to try to find out who you are.
If you evade capture, you can take up residence in a spider-hole near a far-flung desert.
#15 Posted by Clayton Burns, CJR on Sun 20 Nov 2011 at 09:06 PM
Clayton wrote: We had better all start Twittering and Twittering to try to find out who you are.
padikiller gets creeped out: Why?
What the Hell!...
Get a life, Clayton...
#16 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Sun 20 Nov 2011 at 11:24 PM
'padikiller,' you are a sick troll.
You should be banned from this site.
That is what you are struggling to achieve.
#17 Posted by Clayton Burns, CJR on Mon 21 Nov 2011 at 11:25 AM
One disgruntled crank does not a theory make. 1973? What has he done since?AGW is so real it scars the bejesus out of most conservatives, including the logorrhea champ of nonsense, Padikiller. The facts can't be changed in the direction deniers want. All of their attempts are laughable. Hard to say about what is happening in a parallel universe, though, but this one is warming as far as Earth is concerned and burning fossil fuels is the reason for the rapid increase that imperils us all. Stay tuned.
#18 Posted by Mark A. York, CJR on Tue 22 Nov 2011 at 10:16 AM
http://www.climate.gov/#climateWatch
NOAA greenhouse gas index continues climbing
November 9, 2011
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2011/20111109_greenhousegasindex.html
#19 Posted by Mark A. York, CJR on Tue 22 Nov 2011 at 10:23 AM
CJR Commenting Censorship Policy:
Unacceptable "Inflammatory" Word (when used by padikiller): "Commie"
Acceptable Non-Inflammatory Words and Phrases (when directed at padikiller): "Idiot", "Moron", "Racist", "Pedophile", "Racist Pedophile", "Wingnut", "Neocon", "Plutocrat", "Jerk", "Troll", "Sick Troll", "Criminal", "Fugitive", "Nazi", "logorrhea champ of nonsense", "Creep"
#20 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Tue 22 Nov 2011 at 11:20 AM
If you believe the AGW alarmists, then 150 years ago, the average global temperature was 288 degrees Kelvin and today it is 288.8 degrees Kelvin.
This is an average annual increase of 0.0053 Kelvin - WAY, WAY outside of the range of the the margin of error in the temperature record. You can't buy a thermometer off the shelf with this kind of accuracy. Certainly the thermometers in use 150 years ago had nowhere near the accuracy needed to come close to making the ridiculous claims of AGW proponents.
The IPCC is demonstrably corrupt and its conclusions are even more so. Glaciers that aren't melting, as it claimed. Deserts that aren't spreading, as it claimed. Rainforests that are dying, as it claimed.. Etc.
So what does the real data state? Again.. We're not talking about some schmuck here... We're talking about a Nobel Laureate physicist and the points he makes bear addressing:
1. How can one accurately determine an average annual global temperature with a certainty that supports the claims of AGW proponents?
2. A temperature increase from 288.0 K to 288.8 K in 150 years (a 0.27% increase, if it happened) is insignificant. (As a corollary, why would AGW proponents expect the average global temperature to be static over a 150 year period?)
3. This temperature increase (if it happened) did not come to the detriment of humanity, but instead coincided with a unparalleled period of prosperity and population growth.
#21 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Tue 22 Nov 2011 at 11:31 AM
[So what does the real data state?]
What the real data do state could be that the above needs a singular/plural noun verb agreement lesson.
Ever heard of a dictionary? This is elementary microgrammar. Just train your hands to flip the pages. Instead of making flippant comments on CJR.
If you are way back there, try the COBUILD Student's Dictionary.
If you are starting to make some sense out of it all, try the Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English.
Or www.onelook.com.
#22 Posted by Clayton Burns, CJR on Tue 22 Nov 2011 at 01:32 PM
"Instead of making flippant comments on CJR."
Anyone see a proper "COBUILT" sentence in there?
#23 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Tue 22 Nov 2011 at 01:54 PM
Ever picked up on a Hemingway story, poor 'padikiller'?
Have a nice day. While out on the golf course looking for the 'real' culprit.
No comment on your grammatical trouble, I take it?
I accept your graceful concession.
#24 Posted by Clayton Burns, CJR on Tue 22 Nov 2011 at 02:48 PM
While out on the golf course looking for the 'real' culprit.
Another non-sentence!
And "out on"? Why not just "on"?
We DO need that COBUILD grammar here!
#25 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Tue 22 Nov 2011 at 03:26 PM
padikiller, you are in over your head. You are just throwing out trash in a cynical attempt to pretend that you understand the English language.
It is called the Last Ditch Dreckitude Option.
You are being forced into it by your limitations. Which you can't accept. At all.
#26 Posted by Clayton Burns, CJR on Tue 22 Nov 2011 at 04:26 PM
Time for Climategate 2.0...
Reading them now - looks like plenty of conspiratorial goodness to go around for everybody in the AGW game.
But just wait for the dump of Michael Mann's UVA emails..
A conservative group has been fighting tooth and nail to get UVA to release these emails under FOIA requests, and the courts have finally compelled UVA to do so.
I suspect that these emails will come to light just before the election next year and will put a bullet into the AGW silliness once and for all.
#27 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Tue 22 Nov 2011 at 07:56 PM
Which you can't accept. At all.
Two sentence fragments in row! Where's the COBUILD Grammar when we need it!
#28 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Tue 22 Nov 2011 at 08:01 PM
padikiller: There is little incentive to respond to these comments. Try reading "Microstyle" and a few Hemingway stories. "The Battler" is a good one.
If you are trying to be funny, then at least you are trying.
I suggest that you make your points but avoid repeating them. Otherwise, you will give the impression that this is some kind of "hoarding" phenomenon.
It is possible that other readers might want to discuss something.
#29 Posted by Clayton Burns, CJR on Tue 22 Nov 2011 at 08:39 PM
Again, Padilkiller runs from Government facts to his only refuge: Denier persecution, obviously due to his sole purchase on the real truth. Right. Historically the nutbag defense. So appropriate and telling. And yet it doesn't tell us anything we don't already know.
#30 Posted by Mark A. York, CJR on Tue 22 Nov 2011 at 11:26 PM
The Mann emails are old news. His work and emails are as solid scientifically as padikiller is wrong, the latter not to know of course. So tiresome and could be avoided with moderator control of trolls. CJR is too wimpy for that. They'd rather be smeared under the guise of free speech. Pity. That.
#31 Posted by Mark A. York, CJR on Tue 22 Nov 2011 at 11:32 PM
"I suspect that these emails will come to light just before the election next year and will put a bullet into the AGW silliness once and for all."
But I thought that was what Climategate v1.0 and the koch funded Berkeley Earth Project were for. How many empty chambers has the denial movement got?
#32 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 23 Nov 2011 at 02:07 AM
Almost a quarter of million more emails sitting behind a password.
I wonder what this "FOIA" guy's motivation could be?
Of course, when the first email release occurred, the MSM (including the "watchdogs" here) were screaming about a mythological "hacking" of the CRU servers in a concerted effort to discredit the source of the leak. But this is obviously an inside job.
#33 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Wed 23 Nov 2011 at 06:12 AM
A Nobel Laureate physicist makes three specific and valid criticisms of the AGW silliness and the best the Super Secret "Government Scientist" York can do is to say "Yeah he has a Nobel Prize in physics... but what has he done lately"?
For real?
This is the best you guys can do?
#34 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Wed 23 Nov 2011 at 11:53 AM
"padikiller:" You are a jerk. Tell me who you are so I can report you to the police for criminal libel.
Clayton Burns PhD Vancouver.
#35 Posted by Clayton Burns, CJR on Wed 23 Nov 2011 at 12:22 PM
"A Nobel Laureate physicist makes three specific and valid criticisms of the AGW silliness"
Critique 1) "In the APS it is ok to discuss whether the mass of the proton changes over time and how a multi-universe behaves, but the evidence of global warming is incontrovertible?"
Yeah in the abstract the universe is unknowable given our current level of tools, math, and knowledge.
But we don't continue to rehash arguements about the chemical composition and properties of water. You need some pretty good, repeatable evidence in order to overturn an established body of knowledge like "water = h2o". We know the chemical properties of carbon dioxide and other green house gases. We know our current industrial processes excrete them. We've measured instrumentally temperature changes repeatedly and your skeptical scientist, Mr. Muller, concluded:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204422404576594872796327348.html
"We discovered that about one-third of the world's temperature stations have recorded cooling temperatures, and about two-thirds have recorded warming. The two-to-one ratio reflects global warming. The changes at the locations that showed warming were typically between 1-2ºC, much greater than the IPCC's average of 0.64ºC [over the last fifty years]."
And we've observed the physical changes symptomatic of an increasing heat energy prescence. At some point we have to stop asking "is this really happening" and "are we really the cause" and start asking "what do we do about it".
Critique 2) "Observed changes? No you didn't!"
Yes, we did.
Critique 3) "yeah well, those 'changes' have been awesome."
No, climate instability is not awesome. Imagine a turkey in an oven. Allowing heat energy to accumate in the oven to 325 degrees is good. Allowing heat energy to accumulate indefinitely will burn the turkey and set your house on fire.
The trend is temperature increasing for the foreseeable future unless we take action to control our emmissions and stabilize it. The question is now is "how bad do we want to burn this turkey" because it's already getting too hot too fast.. which means it's not really the best time to discuss the 'fundamental unknowability of all things'.
#36 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 23 Nov 2011 at 02:43 PM
"Yes we did" is non-responsive.
The question is "how is it possible to measure the average temperature of the Earth" with a precision of 0.01 K?
Answer: It isn't.
Let's assume that the AGW alarmists are correct and that the Earth's average temperature has increased from 288.0 K to 288.8 K over the last 150 years.
How much of his increase is attributable to random factors? What is the margin of error in our measurement? How much of this increase is attributable to natural causes?
Answer? We don't know.
What about the Medeival Warm Period? What explains it?
Answer? We don't know.
What is the ideal CO2 concentration? The concentration that will guarantee a static global average temperature?
Answer? We don't know.
How do feedback mechanisms affect global average temperature in the face of increasing CO2 concentration?
Answer? We don't know.
What is the ideal average global temperature?
Answer? We don't know.
And yet in the face of this uncertainty, the alarmists want policies?
It's just silly.
#37 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Wed 23 Nov 2011 at 03:09 PM
Padkiller: "Policies? In the face of the fundamental unknowability of all things? Not on my watch!"
We know enough, except by the standards of those for whom we can never know enough. They have a faith unswayed by evidence nor scientific principle. They believe in paralysis.
Those people are fundamentalists.
#38 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 23 Nov 2011 at 05:10 PM
Here is an interesting email from Warmingist Kevin Trenberth:
On Oct 14, 2009, at 10:17 AM, Kevin Trenberth wrote:
Hi Tom
How come you do not agree with a statement that says we are no where close to knowing where energy is going or whether clouds are changing to make the planet brighter. We are not close to balancing the energy budget. The fact that we can not account for what is happening in the climate system makes any consideration of geoengineering quite hopeless as we will never be able to tell if it is successful or not! It is a travesty!
Kevin
#39 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Wed 23 Nov 2011 at 06:14 PM
Rather than argue about the reliability of measuring temperatures across the globe and across time, why not look at the other physical evidence? What is well established is that the thick ice caps in the polar regions has been melting. Glaciation is retreating at an unusually quick pace based on historical records and current observations. Also, atmospheric phenomenon associated with the weather has been very much out of the ordinary. Tornadoes, hurricanes, tsunamis, etc. seem far more frequent and more powerful.
So if global temperatures have not been changing, what do you suppose is the cause of these changes?
#40 Posted by Jack, CJR on Wed 23 Nov 2011 at 06:33 PM
We had the Medieval Warm Period, when Greenland was warm enough to farm.
Then we had the Little Ice Age...
Now we have a slightly warmer period.
#41 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Wed 23 Nov 2011 at 06:54 PM
A little gem from Mike "Nature Trick" Mann: I gave up on Judith Curry a while ago. I don’t know what she think’s she’s doing, but its not helping the cause.
And there you have it!
Not a scientist... But an activist.
Just wait till he loses his fight to keep his UVA emails secret.
#42 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Wed 23 Nov 2011 at 11:08 PM
Taking grammar enforcement to its extreme:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vf8N6GpdM
#43 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Thu 24 Nov 2011 at 09:54 AM
{adi:
Are you saying that because the Earth's climate changed before, we should ignore the current effects of our adding 7 gigatons of carbon to the atmosphere every year?
Sort of a "because X happened, I can ignore Y" sort of thing?
#44 Posted by garhighway, CJR on Thu 24 Nov 2011 at 01:03 PM