President Obama used his interview with Rolling Stone to open a new offensive in the White House’s verbal war with Fox News. But he also seemed to be making a more subtle—and more interesting—point.
Said the president:
The golden age of an objective press was a pretty narrow span of time in our history. Before that, you had folks like Hearst who used their newspapers very intentionally to promote their viewpoints. I think Fox is part of that tradition. It is part of the tradition that has a very clear, undeniable point of view. It’s a point of view that I disagree with. It’s a point of view that I think is ultimately destructive for the long-term growth of a country that has a vibrant middle class and is competitive in the world. But as an economic enterprise, it’s been wildly successful. And I suspect that if you ask Mr. Murdoch what his number-one concern is, it’s that Fox is very successful.
Leave aside for a moment Obama’s criticism of Fox News’s point of view as “destructive.” What caught our eye was the president’s correct assessment that the “objective” model of journalism is a relatively recent development, and that we’ve had an unapologetically opinionated press before. In other words, there’s nothing fixed and inviolable about the “objective” model—a model that, as we’ve argued, has some major limitations. And despite the hand-wringing about media bias, the recent breakdown of strict objectivity in some corners of the media (not just Fox, but also MSNBC, and online outlets like The Huffington Post, Talking Points Memo, and Andrew Breitbart’s network of sites) isn’t so unprecedented or terrifying.
Indeed, the debate over Fox can muddle these issues more than it clarifies them. You can believe that Fox is a force for ill in the world, simply because it promotes an ideology you disagree with—indeed, liberals like Obama logically should believe this. But you can also believe—as Obama perhaps appears to—that there’s nothing inherently wrong with the idea of a media outlet having a point of view, and that such a model has deep roots in our history.
Of course, one could also argue that it’s fine for Fox to have an ideology, but that, by selecting only those facts that support its point of view and ignoring contradictory evidence, it often promotes that ideology in a fundamentally dishonest way that runs counter to the basic precepts of any journalism, objective or not. (UPDATE, 2:45pm: Case in point: In the same interview, Obama was asked what music he’d been listening to lately, and mentioned Bob Dylan, the Stones, Maria Callas, Nas, and Lil Wayne, prompting Fox News to declare: “President of the United States Loves Gangsta Rap.”)
Still, the larger point that Obama seems to be driving at remains: we’ve had an opinionated press before, we’re now moving that way again, and it doesn’t have to mean the destruction of the Republic. Whether we think that individual news outlets like Fox or MSNBC are beneficial or harmful will depend largely on whether or not we agree with their point of view.



Surely the larger point about FOX is that it twists facts themselves. I remember a particularly shocking example in a snippet the Daily Show showed of Hannity. Hannity played a 5-second video of Obama saying "your taxes will soon go up", then sarcastically opined that for once Obama was telling the truth.
The full clip, which the Daily Show played, had Obama saying (roughly): "These (Bush) tax cuts are on course to expire, and right now, if Congress takes no further action, your taxes will soon go up."
As they say, you're entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts.
#1 Posted by OD, CJR on Tue 28 Sep 2010 at 04:16 PM
Clearly our media and political worlds have now entered what President Clinton recently called a "fact-free period" -- http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/
#2 Posted by Rory O'Connor, CJR on Tue 28 Sep 2010 at 04:27 PM
I'll be more than willing to answer for Fox News, which does tilt to the Right, if its attackers have the courage to acknowledge abuses by 'mainstream' news outlets whose highlight reels - and lowlight reels - tilt to the Left. Despite forged documents by CBS, a front-page story in the NY Times alleging an affair between McCain and a lobbyist . . . The Times' disgraceful coverage of the Duke/lacrosse rape hoax . . . going back, off the top of my head, to the 'Dateline USA' faked SUV rollovers, Jayson Blair and Stephen Glass and Janet Cooke . . . The New Yorker's investment in a sociopath's story that Dan Quayle used narcotics . . . on back to the 'October Surprise' hoax promoted heavily by PBS and others . . . I could go in, but reality-based readers will get the picture . . . the supposedly non-partisan mainstream media has been unmistakably more credulous about charges against conservative figures than against liberal ones, and more enthusiastic about playing up Republican sins than Democratic ones. Fox has a lot of catching up to do to produce such a volume of equivalent journalistic abuses against Democratic or liberal groups over a period of time to match the reflexive hostility mainstream journalists have brought to bear against the GOP and its constituencies. CNN, which is less partisan than Fox or MSNBC, still had to let a reporter go who started arguing with Tea Party demonstrators (by instructive contrast, such things never happen at left-wing rallies), and it also had to apologize to Limbaugh twice for ascribing made-up quotes to him. The lack of public interest in global warming (anyone talking about it much this election season as a voting issue?) is in no small part a function of repeated scares retailed by public health and environmental activists over the years, carried without skepticism by the mainstream press. These almost always (as with last winter's H1N1 virus) are overstated and oversold.
Fox News was a response to this journalistic culture on the part of the shrewd Mr. Ailes, so some people need to stop their whining and start taking a hard look at themselves. The above work was not the product of an admitted on-air pundit like Hannity. It was the work of everyday producers, writers, and reporters at established news and other media organizations. It would be nice if people who are genuinely interested in 'facts' and fair-minded coverage could bring themselves to acknowledge that there has been no survey of campaign contributions, political identification, or active participation in an administration which does not show political journalists to display an overwhelmingly urban/Democratic orientation. It shows, not just in what is broadcast, but in what is not broadcast - and picked up by Fox or even Republican admen, who then can credibly charge that 'the media' ignores stuff embarrassing to the Democrats and liberal groups. Antipathy between the Republican Party's rank-and-file on the one hand and the mainstream news organizations on the other has been part of the furniture of American politics for decades, but the mainstream media is reluctant to take a hard look at why. Thomas Edsall was practically pilloried by the journalistic Left for saying that this is the case out loud (and urging journalists to embrace their left-leaning preferences instead of deny them). At least he is honest, and not mealy-mouthed.
#3 Posted by Mark Richard, CJR on Tue 28 Sep 2010 at 08:15 PM
And yet, Mr. Richard you don't see any problem with Fox having a 24/7 agenda that promotes the Republican Party in a most partisan way vs. the MSM that sometimes gets the story wrong, investigates itself and when found guilty takes steps to prevent re-occurrence (and hold their reporters accountable)?
#4 Posted by Mike Ratrie, CJR on Tue 28 Sep 2010 at 09:51 PM
Mike Ratrie wrote: the MSM that sometimes gets the story wrong, investigates itself and when found guilty takes steps to prevent re-occurrence (and hold their reporters accountable)?
padikiller wonders: Funny...
I'm looking for CJR's hard-hitting analysis of the JournoList affair... But I'm not finding anything, Mike...
Maybe you point us to the article where the "watchdogs" take their brethren to task?
Good luck.
#5 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Tue 28 Sep 2010 at 10:09 PM
Journolist? Let's hear Columbia professor Todd Gitlin's wild rant once again (because it's never been addressed in CJR). Now read this and tell me that the MSM investigates itself and addresses its own problems?
And he's still teaching at Columbia? Incredible!
“On the question of liberals coordinating, what the hell’s wrong with some critical mass of liberal bloggers & journalists saying the following among themselves:
“McCain lies about his maverick status. Routinely, cavalierly, cynically. Palin lies about her maverick status. Ditto, ditto, ditto. McCain has a wretched temperament. McCain is a warmonger. Palin belongs to a crackpot church and feels warmly about a crackpot party that trashes America.
“Repeat after me:
“McCain lies about his maverick status. Routinely, cavalierly, cynically. Palin lies about her maverick status. Ditto, ditto, ditto. McCain has a wretched temperament. McCain is a warmonger. Palin belongs to a crackpot church and feels warmly about a crackpot party that trashes America.
“These people are cynical. These people are taking you for a ride. These people are fakes. These people love Bush.
“Again. And again. Vary the details. There are plenty. Somebody on the ‘list posted a strong list of McCain lies earlier today. Hammer it. Philosophize, as Nietzsche said, with a hammer.
“I don’t know about any of you, but I’m not waiting for any coordination. Get on with it!”
#6 Posted by JLD, CJR on Tue 28 Sep 2010 at 10:54 PM
To Mike, Fox's news division has never quite produced anything as blatant as CBS' faked documents, or the NY Times' disgusting contribution to the incitement of race hatred in the Duke/lacrosse case. Lumping Hannity in with the actual news reporters and producers is like saying that NBC's news division is co-terminus with Rachel Maddow's missteps, or that Larry King represents CNN.
From today's 'Poynter Online': "Distrust in U.S. Media Edges Up to Record High", a survey conducted by the Gallup people.
Of those surveyed, 48% rated 'the media' as too liberal; only 15% said 'too conservative'. (Among Republicans, the proportion was 76 to 6). "Democrats and liberals remain far more likely to trust the media and perceive no bias." See why I think journalists don't quite understand how they are perceived, and why?
Fox is rightly scored for its partisan tilt, but liberals and journalists (if there's not too much overlap there) are still in deep denial about their own loaded vocabulary and framing, not to say their choice of what is and is not 'news'. My main point for Ryan to consider, since I believe he is a committed leftist but one open to alternative views, is that d'Souza's story, and Fox, and so forth, have done infinitely less harm to the credibility of the mainstream media than have self-inflicted wounds such as I cite above.
The very clever Roger Ailes set a trap for the mainstream media. He put the issue of political 'media bias' on the agenda of the journalism industry. Fox has, I believe, intentionally forced the issue, because in order for journalists to condemn Fox for bias, they must be able to cite chapter and verse, and thus provide a benchmark for judging institutional partisanship in other organizations. Conservative critics have thus been provided with a weapon with which to beat the NY Times and CBS and NPR and the rest over the head - provided by the very critique of Fox that is held by those institutions. The perverse effect is to tone up previously lazy, push-button liberal coverage of people and issues.
CNN is a better organization because of competition from Fox. Susan Roesgen would still be working at CNN, and apologies to Limbaugh would never have been issued, if Fox were not around to make fun of CNN and other older media outfits for not following their own guidelines. Fox, because of its right-wing tilt, is still the only television news outfit that is willing to ridicule liberals. The failure of the MSM to objectify and embarrass Nancy Pelosi, in contrast to the treatment back in the day of Newt Gingrich, is fodder for some J-school grad student's compare and contrast dissertation - though apparently not at Columbia.
#7 Posted by Mark Richard, CJR on Wed 29 Sep 2010 at 12:42 PM