It’s been three days since David Weigel, the reporter and blogger best known for his coverage of the conservative movement, resigned from The Washington Post after intemperate remarks he’d made on a private e-mail list about some of his subjects were made public. In that time many smart things have been written and said about a reporter’s responsibilities—and the relationship between reporting, opinion, and analysis—in the modern media environment.
Some not-very-smart things have also been said. Unfortunately, several of the
latter have emanated from the precincts of Weigel’s erstwhile employer, which seems to understand it has to find a way to incorporate into its pages the intelligence and energy that is flourishing in some quarters of online political journalism—witness the hiring of Weigel, Ezra Klein, and Greg Sargent—but also to be determined to protect the sacraments of newspaper reporting as they are traditionally understood, for better and, unfortunately, for worse. Consider these thoughts from several anonymous Post staffers which were relayed Friday in a blog post by The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg:
“This is not just sour grapes about the sudden rise of these untrained kids, though I have to think that some people in the building resent them for bypassing the usual way people rise here. This is really about the serial stupidity of allowing these bloggers to trade on the name of the Washington Post.”
“It makes me crazy when I see these guys referred to as reporters. They’re anything but. And they hurt the newspaper when they claim to be reporters.”
“Ezra Klein is a talented guy, but he’s just an absolute partisan. If this is where journalism has to go, so be it, but I don’t want to go there.”
“The lack of toilet-training is right. Everyone makes mistakes, but you can mitigate the number of mistakes through seasoning. Some people here are still put through seasoning, but others aren’t. It shows, and it’s embarrassing.”
(The commenters had apparently been moved to speak after reading an earlier, spectacularly misguided post by Goldberg, from which he later backtracked, twice.)
It is pretty clear those comments reflect not just a response to the current controversy, but a generalized dislike of the new crop of online journalists, one that’s not necessarily informed by a close reading of their output. (Other than founding the e-mail list from which Weigel’s remarks were leaked, and recommending Weigel to the Post, Klein had nothing to do with the recent episode. Meanwhile, though his stint at the Post may not represent his best work, Weigel is
clearly a talented reporter. He grabbed the story of a resurgent conservative movement sooner than almost anyone else, followed it to places many reporters didn’t know existed, and in both his straight reporting and analysis he brought fair-mindedness and a commitment to accuracy to the job.)
So what are the revanchists at the Post objecting to? A lot of things, probably, not least the professional threat posed by the relentlessly prolific Web-native crew. But I think the fault being found with folks like Weigel and Klein here is not only that they blur the lines between opinion, analysis, and reporting, or that they are too obvious about
what’s presumed to be the latent liberalism of the national press (a charge that’s incoherent as applied to Weigel, whose own politics are hardly those of a standard-issue liberal). It’s that they have cultivated a journalistic persona—an individual voice, a body of experience shared with readers, and a lens through which they view the world—that colors everything they do, from writing for the Post to writing on personal blogs to sending messages over Twitter, and that is not thoroughly subordinated to the institutional imperatives of the Post.
What sort of country have we become that it's no longer acceptable to wish cartoonish doom (in private) on an enemy?
#1 Posted by surlybastard, CJR on Mon 28 Jun 2010 at 06:54 PM
Let's correct the record here. Weigel didn't just bash conservatives in private. He did it publicly -- joking about Matt Drudge "diddling" an 8-year-old boy (child rape, so funny) and referring to "anti-gay marriage bigots." He then spent every day picking the conservative movement apart while his opposite numbers on the left of the Post's site advocated for the left. The e-mails were only his latest fiasco.
The Post has its own brand and Weigel violated it. The stuff he said in public and in private would have gotten him fired in any newsroom I've ever worked in.
If the Post wants to embrace this persona-driven journalism, then as a neutral news organization (at least in theory) it is obligated to employ a variety of such pundits, not just people who hate conservatives. So far, it hasn't found one who doesn't view standard conservative principles as something alien. Surely, someone at the Post must know a few conservatives who can help with this effort.
Further, what Ezra Klein did with Journolist steps into the area of advocacy -- trying to get liberal policy types and journalists to set a news agenda -- and he too wouldn't have lasted long at most news operations where I've worked.
#2 Posted by Dan Gainor, CJR on Tue 29 Jun 2010 at 08:44 AM
How fitting that the "conservative" Weigel has now found a home at MSNBC.
#3 Posted by Mike H, CJR on Tue 29 Jun 2010 at 11:14 AM
Hey Dan,
Funny thing about those news operations where you worked...How are they doing these days?
PS. I heard Glen Beck killed and raped a girl in 1990.
http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=45073
From what I heard, Matt Drudge was taping the whole thing.
#4 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 29 Jun 2010 at 01:18 PM
Oh Hai Dan!
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/dan-gainor/2010/05/02/post-s-new-conservative-blogger-there-s-video-drudge-diddling-8-year-old
#5 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 29 Jun 2010 at 01:19 PM
How's the witch hunt business?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/39113.html
#6 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 29 Jun 2010 at 01:21 PM
You have to understand, Dan, there's this thing called comedy and...maybe we should let Glen Beck explain it a minute and a half in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_5bmkWhL3o
#7 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 29 Jun 2010 at 01:37 PM
It is strange how everyone has missed the real story here, I don't know or care about this guy. The story is that 400 journalists were talking about the news of the day together. It explains the uniformity of coverage which has been obvious for several years now. They are all agreeing on what is important, what angles should be pursued, etc. The real question is was this done innocently or not. If it was innocent, then it was just dangerous and incompetent. If it was not innocent, then it was very dangerous, and simply evil. Either way, these journalist were getting together and improperly affecting the country.
#8 Posted by Rick, CJR on Tue 29 Jun 2010 at 08:33 PM
JourOList was a conversation, the same kind that goes on at Journo-club cocktail parties and washington post industry sponsored salons (which were kind of evil). The only difference was that it was being done via email.
Programmers and other trades use these kinds of lists all the time to collaborate on information. It's not an "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" kind of thing where a journalist comes in contact with Klein's tendrils and assimilates to the liberal borg.
Using words like dangerous and evil to describe conversations is... lemme think.. oh yeah, kinda dangerous and evil.
And a bit silly, truth be told.
#9 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 29 Jun 2010 at 09:17 PM
It would be interesting to see the whole archive, as what's been leaked shows a concerted effort to massage the news and make it more favorable to Democrats. Case in point: Weigel arguing for a Coakley meme that would lessen the impact of that election for Democrats. Did anyone argue against letting Obama's election signify the end of the GOP? It's amusing to even ask, since the answer is so obvious. I can recall countess stories about how the GOP would be in the wilderness for a quarter century. Was that meme cooked up on Journo-List? It would be marvelous to have a complete list of the participants and to see the way they produce "objective analyses" that always seem to favor the very liberalism they're required to advocate to be a member.
#10 Posted by J3p0, CJR on Wed 30 Jun 2010 at 08:10 AM
J3p0, Andrew Breitbart is offering $100K cash money to the first person who leaks the archive to him, anonymity guaranteed! Considering how cash strapped journalists are these days, that’s quite a lucrative offer.
#11 Posted by Mike H, CJR on Wed 30 Jun 2010 at 11:11 AM
The sort of country where a gutless media won't stand side by side with much braver folks, who publish a cartoon mocking a guy who lived 1500 years ago.
#12 Posted by David Smith, CJR on Wed 30 Jun 2010 at 02:19 PM
While one "presumed" great newspaper after another fails or is staving off bankruptcy journalists continue to spit out articles such as the one above. As journalists, should we or should we not, mix our opnions with factual reporting? Oh, please! LOL! Kudos to Mr. Weigel for (even, inadvertently) initiating a chain reaction that's finally unmasked these self-important windbags. Most mainstream journalists do not suffer from a "presumed latent liberal bias." There's nothing "presumed" nor "latent" about it. Their bias permeates not only how they cover issues but determines what they cover. Yet, by remaining in their giant echo chamber filled with journalists and academicians, they continue to delude themselves. Their fantastical belief that, somehow, their liberal bias does not bleed through in their reporting has devolved to comedy. Not so funny is their assumption that their views are superior to the average person. Unfortunately, for them, faced with a myriad of news choices the public has finally caught on. MSM journalists' level of denial puts that of drug addicts to shame - they cannot be responsible for the terrible consequences they face (unemployment.) It must be fault of the Internet, pajama clad bloggers, the evil Fox News, vitriolic conservative talk radio catering to bubbas, and the ignorance of an audience members who choose to seek out news outlets that only reinforces their own views. Here's the point the article above failed to even mention. MSM journalists tend to hold views with which, probably, 70% of the country disagrees. The WashPo felt compelled to hire a blogger to cover "the resurgent conservative movement." Res ipsa loquitur.
#13 Posted by pjwg, CJR on Wed 30 Jun 2010 at 07:57 PM
It's not necessary to publish the archive of the JournoList; the mere fact that JournoList exists, that there was an attempt to coordinate "talking points" among reporters from multiple organizations VALIDATES every rumor of "presumed latent media bias" by documenting "actual prevalent media bias"!
You don't need to protest anymore; there is published evidence that 95%+ of all "mainstream media" personnel gave to Democrats, not Republicans (or, perhaps better, liberals and not conservatives); that order-of-magnitude numbers voted for Democrats over Republicans; and now JournoList. Anyone who still believes in "objective journalism" probably also believes in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and Tinkerbelle.
Climate change (East Anglia emails), partisan government officials (Eric Holder and the DOJ dropping the New Black Panther Party prosecutions), crooked polling (Daily Kos and R2K) and all the others; the edifice crumbles more every day. No one can believe a word that's said, because every week we learn of more corruption, influence peddling and deceit.
There's your bed; you made it, now lie in it. After a few hundred thousand of you die, retire or move on, we MIGHT begin believing news stories again. Then again, maybe not; trust is an awfully difficult thing to regain.
#14 Posted by Wanderer, CJR on Wed 30 Jun 2010 at 09:58 PM
You guys... During the Bush Administration the government MADE news in video news releases. They regularly got people fired they didn't like and they sent their
thugsrepresentatives to squash and suppress stories. They had a male hooker as a conservative ringer in the friggen WH press corp. They sent the networks list of people who they should employ as independent experts and then had the pentagon tell those those experts, many of whom worked for pentagon contractors, what to say. They... I could keep going if you want...conservative bloggers getting direct government / military messaging etc.. but I want to make one thing clear.The Washington Post, who's world is ruled by Drudge,
http://newsbusters.org/node/7906
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/eye-on-2008/how-matt-drudge-rules-the-poli.html
fired a blogger because he made a joke about Drudge....who is a gossip mongering rat who has built a career on scooping a semen stain.
A real conservative blogger, not one of those soulless GOParrots who will repeat the RNC talking point of the day when someone pulls the string on their back.
If you're freaking out about a newsgroup, after ignoring media manipulation for eight long years, you've got too much time on your hands, you retards.
#15 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Thu 1 Jul 2010 at 10:45 AM