Over the weekend, there was a bit of a dust-up between the Associated Press, Sarah Palin, and their respective supporters over the AP’s “fact check” of Palin’s campaign memoir, Going Rogue. Much of the discussion focused on the AP’s decision to put eleven different reporters on the story (for more on this, see here, here, here, and here). But leaving aside the issue of resource allocation, the question is: Did the fact check deliver?
Not so much—at least not if the phrase “fact check” is going to have any specific meaning. I’m not knowledgeable enough about some of the episodes the AP cites, such as the bidding on a contract to build a natural gas pipeline in Alaska, to weigh in on whose account is more factually accurate. And at points, the AP story does seem to offer useful pushback against, and context for, Palin’s arguments. But even accepting all of the AP’s claims, several of the cases it mentions are as much matters of interpretation and analysis as factual accuracy. And in some, the Palin statements that it scrutinizes don’t even make factual claims—meaning that there’s not much to “check.”
In the AP’s defense, some criticisms by conservative commentators—such as those by Mark Steyn and John Hinderaker—have attacked an early version of the story that was published Friday evening, making much of the fact that the wire service’s reporters found only six Palin missteps. A subsequent version of the story, which included twice as many items and added some detail to the original set, is more substantial and more persuasive than the earlier edition. Still, much of it is off the mark. For example:
PALIN: Says Obama has admitted that the climate change policy he seeks will cause people’s electricity bills to “skyrocket.”
THE FACTS: She correctly quotes a comment attributed to Obama in January 2008, when he told San Francisco Chronicle editors that under his cap-and-trade climate proposal, “electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket” as utilities are forced to retrofit coal burning power plants to reduce carbon dioxide emissions.
Obama has argued since then that climate legislation can blunt the cost to consumers. Democratic legislation now before Congress calls for a variety of measures aimed at mitigating consumer costs. Several studies predict average household costs probably would be $100 to $145 a year.
The AP attributes one claim to Palin here, and promptly acknowledges that it’s accurate, so the factual misstep is hard to see—there’s not even an argument by the AP that she manipulated or distorted the meaning of Obama’s original remarks. Palin is apparently selecting only those words uttered by her political opponent that bolster her case, and omitting information that would complicate her position. That may be worthy of criticism, and it’s certainly something to bring up in a counterargument. But it’s a run-of-the-mill debating maneuver, not a factual error.
Then there’s this:
PALIN: Welcomes last year’s Supreme Court decision deciding punitive damages for victims of the nation’s largest oil spill tragedy, the Exxon Valdez disaster, stating it had taken 20 years to achieve victory. As governor, she says, she’d had the state argue in favor of the victims, and she says the court’s ruling went “in favor of the people.” Finally, she writes, Alaskans could recover some of their losses.
THE FACTS: That response is at odds with her reaction at the time to the ruling, which resolved the long-running case by reducing punitive damages for victims to $500 million from $2.5 billion. Environmentalists and plaintiffs’ lawyers decried the ruling as a slap at the victims and Palin herself said she was “extremely disappointed.” She said the justices had gutted a jury decision favoring higher damage awards, the Anchorage Daily News reported. “It’s tragic that so many Alaska fishermen and their families have had their lives put on hold waiting for this decision,” she said, noting many had died “while waiting for justice.”
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Good review. I think the AP might have better sent this idea to a liberal blog rather than putting 11 reporters on it.
#1 Posted by Shii, CJR on Tue 17 Nov 2009 at 02:03 PM
Thanks for for the momentary departure from strict liberal ideology. Of course you couldn't even do a fact check of a fact check without further bashing Palin, but... small favors ...
Meanwhile, what of the recent revelation that many of the "saved or created" jobs touted by the Obama administration are utterly bogus? If the AP assigned 11 reporters to Palin's book they should assign 110 to look into that.
If the AP or any of the MSM was interested in uncovering the truth fairly that would be following that story with all of their resources.
#2 Posted by JLD, CJR on Tue 17 Nov 2009 at 08:42 PM
More significant than any fact-checking errors or omissions is the fact that AP put eleven - eleven reporters to work on this titanic event, Sarah Palin's book. Did eleven AP workers fact-check Barack Obama's two books in 2008? Any Clinton memoir? Can anyone remember such detailed fact-checking of a political memoir? The meta-event here is that Palin and the conservatives point out the higher standards to which they are held, and a seemingly irony-impaired mainstream media walks right into the trap - with the result that belief in the fairness of MSM product has been significantly and documentably undermined even among people who are not partisans of Sarah Palin.
CNN 'fact-checked' a sketch on 'Saturday Night Live' that was satirical about Obama, and did get some horse-laughs for its literal-minded defense of the President. The real story here is the resources that the MSM routinely expends toward making conservatives and Republicans look bad, vs. the lack of same for some eminently eligible liberals and Democrats. Since urban liberalism is the very air that most political journalists breathe, I've come to believe that it is so reflexive that these folks aren't even aware of how they come across to consumers who are not orthodox Democrats.
#3 Posted by Mark Richard, CJR on Wed 18 Nov 2009 at 12:33 PM
Oh, and thanks to CJR for a refreshing and counter-intuitive criticism of AP. Back-handed, maybe, but a break from the deadly dull and conformist treatment of this subject.
#4 Posted by Mark Richard, CJR on Wed 18 Nov 2009 at 12:59 PM
As AP fires employees today.
#5 Posted by Louise, CJR on Wed 18 Nov 2009 at 01:24 PM
The real story here is the resources that the MSM routinely expends toward making conservatives and Republicans look bad, vs. the lack of same for some eminently eligible liberals and Democrats.
You know, I could have taken CNN's Sanjay Gupta's
dishonest attackfact check on Michael Moore's movie Sicko as a indictment of the whole media industry. I could have made the case that I and my political beliefs are just big victims of the 10,000 ton anvil constantly being dropped on our heads called the MSM.But wouldn't I sound like a broken record if I did that constantly?
And I know it would be especially annoying if one went back 15 years and watched the silly impeachment and investigations lead by a media nursed at the breast by an opposition website that benefited my side.
And it would be terribly annoying if one watched as a better candidate who lost the presidency by a handful of votes, partly because the press attacked the better candidate to shreds using partisan fact checks which benefited my side.
And it would be excruciatingly annoying if that lesser candidate got the most sycophantic coverage in the history of the republic while he pillaged the government's finances and lead the country into a war of impulse based on flimsy claims that weren't fact checked to the benefit of my side.
If that was me, I'd say it was about time the MSM fact checked my side because it's gotten away with murder over the last 15 years. Literally.
But that's me, and I have a conscience.
#6 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 18 Nov 2009 at 01:31 PM
Thanks for the alternative approach to a subject I've done my best to avoid. I second Mr. Richard's point above about the deep irony in news coverage as they try to dismantle a threat.
On the other hand, I must say that your point #3, about her characterization of Alaskans seems like a stretch. I suppose it isn't really a "fact" worth checking, but it does suggest that Palin is disconnected from her constituents. A state that receives nearly twice as much government money as it contributes is not a hot bed of libertarian, shoot-the-taxman individualists. Characterizations aside, Palin is wrong in her depiction of the simple, hard-working Alaskan. They're just like everyone else, except colder.
#7 Posted by Colin Powell, CJR on Wed 18 Nov 2009 at 01:36 PM
So let me get this straight, the country's premier institution for reviewing journalists' work is faulting the AP for applying context to complicated issues rather than hemming itself in to a restrictive "true" or "false" framework. Yeah, that would have been much more enlightening. Please.
#8 Posted by Ed, CJR on Wed 18 Nov 2009 at 01:57 PM
By the by I've heard from a couple of sources that the AP's Palin fact checking was sub par.
And, if that is the case, then I hope they improve their standards. I myself don't care enough about it to check it out myself.
#9 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 18 Nov 2009 at 02:05 PM
"When Sarah Palin talks about “Obama’s ‘death panel,’” she’s spreading misinformation that needs to be repudiated."
Strictly speaking you are correct. There were not death panels. The comment sure did cause some changes in the legislation lest anyone misinterpret some clauses as death panels.
#10 Posted by Clem, CJR on Thu 19 Nov 2009 at 10:03 PM
While your overall point is fine, one of your particulars illustrates a larger problem with "fact checking" by journalists--the overwhelming proportion of them are simply not competent to evaluate the accuracy of anyone's policy claims. In your critique of the AP, you implicitly accept its premise that a relevant statistic for evaluating Alaskans' self reliance is the ratio of federal funds spent in Alaska to the amount of federal taxes paid by its residents. This is a ridiculous criterion for many reasons, the simplest one of which is that Alaskans do not independently determine either the amount of federal spending in their state or the federal tax policies that determine how much they pay to the national government. The sorts of federal policies that Mrs. Palin is quite obviously referring to in the passage quoted by the AP are those associated with the term "nanny state." A wide array of regulations on interstate commerce, for example, can restrict individuals' range of actions or choices without having any effects at all on the flow of federal funds to or from Washington.
The mindset that is manifested so clearly in this AP article, and which is so obviously prevalent among the so-called mainstream media, is a staggering combination of self-assurance and fatuousness that is the epitome of arrogance. Palin's appeal is that she alone among the political class rejects the premise that these ill-educated reporters, demonstrably lacking the most basic grasp of economics or engineering or pretty much any field with a firm grounding in logic and empiricism, are qualified in any way to judge her.
The field of journalism is now reaping the bitter harvest it planted years ago when the leading journalism schools decided that the discovery of "truth" as constructed by humanities professors should supersede the pedestrian reporting of demonstrable and verifiable facts. It is nice that you may have begun to discover this source of your own demise, but it is probably too late for you to do anything about it in time to save yourselves.
#11 Posted by Adam, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 02:33 AM
Good review. One thing is missing however: there is no mention of the APs failure to "fact check" the books of Al Gore, Obama or other leadng Democrats.
#12 Posted by Bill, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 02:38 AM
"Good review. I think the AP might have better sent this idea to a liberal blog rather than putting 11 reporters on it."
Posted by Shii on Tue 17 Nov 2009 at 02:03 PM
Aren't they one and the same?
#13 Posted by Phoenix110, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 02:49 AM
Greg, after you're nap...please get a copy of the $787 Billion 'Stimulus' bill from Feb. of 2009... lots of coffee... READ... the DEATH panels are there and they have already been manned and implemented... you media types need to earn our respect... do your jobs and stop with the BS.
#14 Posted by YouAreAsleep, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 03:18 AM
"By the by I've heard from a couple of sources that the AP's Palin fact checking was sub par. And, if that is the case, then I hope they improve their standards. I myself don't care enough about it to check it out myself."
Posted by Thimbles on Wed 18 Nov 2009 at 02:05 PM
OK, "'thimbles", we get it. You are too into sicko, crying about al gore losing by a chad, figuring out some way that bill clinton lying under oath before a grand jury was somehow a conservative republican conspiracy instead of a federal crime and that 9/11 was really another conspiracy perpetrated by none other than George W. Bush and, lest we forget, you aren’t going to buy and/or read Sarah Palin’s new book entitled, “Going Rogue” not rouge as I see so many of you cheeky liberals write (pun intended). We get it.
But you don't, obviously. Nor do you occupy the same plane of consciousness as your fellow man. The one we call reality. You may have a conscience, but that is about all you have left of what the good lord gave you. But it isn’t your fault, as Mr. Richard's so eloquently put it, “Since urban liberalism is the very air that most political journalists breathe, I've come to believe that it is so reflexive that these folks aren't even aware of how they come across to consumers who are not orthodox Democrats.” You see, it’s a disease you picked up from breathing too much of that orthodox urban liberal democrat air. You think we are all too dumb to read what you are saying and understand it for what it is. But we get it.
#15 Posted by Phoenix110, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 03:29 AM
I learned everything I need to know about MSM "journalists" from watching Wolf Blitzer on Jeopardy.
Those 30 minutes told us more about the liberal press than 100 truckloads of newspapers.
#16 Posted by Steve Levy, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 05:26 AM
Well, it was fair until the end. You couldn't help yourself to slip in one piece of opinion, could you? Maybe "journalists" should fact check the Obama "death panels" and why Palin called them that. How, for example, is this "misinformation" except through your liberal biases?
#17 Posted by Tyk, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 07:43 AM
The "Death Panels" are real, and all one has to do is to understand the House Obamacare Bill to comprehend that fact. As a minor example, the recent government recommendation that mammograms be eliminated for women under 50, which will eventually become a mandate, will consign some women to death. Just because the title of the committee isn't actually "Obama Death Panel" doesn't mean it doesn't function as one.
#18 Posted by David Becker, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 08:02 AM
The AP's credibility factor has been knocked down a notch or two on this.
I wonder what editor or executive ordered this vast check expedition?
#19 Posted by Joe the Poster, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 08:04 AM
To the poster who stated that Alaska receives govt money to the tune of twice the amount they contribute - I'd like to fact check that. Also I would not describe money being taken and sent to the Feds as "contributing"..Also where does that money come from that is sent to Wash DC? Is it individuals? Businesses? The government may send money to Alaska for development. There is more to money distribution than we "contribute" and we get back equally - why then give it to begin with? Getting money from Wash DC to build infrastructure etc is far different than paying for welfare. Your post is too superficial.
#20 Posted by Krys, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 08:14 AM
You can find some good background in an Alaskan paper's reaction to another Associated Press hit piece during the campaign titled "Misfire at Palin: Associated Press story offers skewed picture of gas line work" in the Anchorage Daily News:
http://www.adn.com/opinion/view/story/574868.html
#21 Posted by John, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 09:22 AM
"So let me get this straight, the country's premier institution for reviewing journalists' work is faulting the AP for applying context to complicated issues rather than hemming itself in to a restrictive 'true' or 'false' framework."
No. The are faulting AP for presenting the article, themselves, in a "true" or "false" framework by calling it a fact check. Why did AP do that?
#22 Posted by John, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 09:29 AM
I take issue with "death panels" being misinformation. A committee of bureaucrats who make decisions that can result in someones death, i.e. no mammograms until 50 or "grandma should take a pill instead of having an operation," (didn't that come from our President's lips?) function as one. A committee can qualify as a "panel" and their decisions can bring about a death. Where is the misinformation? Do we speak the same language?
#23 Posted by Muriel Szombathy, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 09:49 AM
I'm still waiting for Obama's pre campaign book's fact checking.
I guess it's only ok for liberals to publish before running.
#24 Posted by yullady, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 10:02 AM
I, too, take issue with the claim that Sarah's Palin reference to Death Panels is misinformation. It is a colorful and persuasive metaphor to describe the panels which the Health Care Choices Commissioner will set up which will make recommendations about what will and will not be covered. Further, ALL of the proposals state that the Health Care Choices Commissioner will decide what insurance plans will and will not cover. If we look at England and Canada which have similar organizations (in England its called NICE-National Institute for Clinical Excellence) the panels make life and death decisions. See http://tinyurl.com/nyap8o
#25 Posted by Susan Salisbury, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 10:48 AM
One last thing I want to add is that Sarah Palin had a popularity rating as governor in Alaska that topped out at over 80%. Problems with accurately polling Alaskans aside, one does not get to be that popular, nor does one achieve bi-partisan legislative achievements like Palin did, by being a partisan hack and a total moron. While there are plenty of legitimate criticisms of Sarah Palin as governor, it's telling that the profile created by the mainstream press would leave anyone wondering why Sarah Palin was ever so popular as governor other than to believe that just about everyone in Alaska is a total moron, too.
#26 Posted by John, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 10:51 AM
You bring up a good point. She topped out at eighty percent in a state that is heavily federally subsidized and has a subsidized population. There's not the large body of people to manage as many states have and they have really low taxes since they are subsidized.
The major project she was in charge of as mayor of Wasilla was an arena development which she f*cked up:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122065537792905483.html
She used her power to conduct persecutions of people she didn't like and she cruised through her responsibilities, eventually quitting them with a year left on her term. You don't need to be good to govern Alaska, you can get away with being photogenic and good with bitchy wisecrackin'.
You know who else had a popularity rating that topped over eighty and was praised for how he governed an "independent state"?
GW Bush. And no, that topped out popularity figure for him doesn't mean I think everyone in America is a total moron.
It's tempting at times, but no, not everyone.
#27 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 12:01 PM
Hey, why not send out a platoon of fact checkers to investigate O's book, his past and his many mentors?
After all, much, much less is known about him. And he is POTUS.
Here's a start...Prove that Bill Ayers DID not write O's book. Yup, tackle that one first. You might be surprised at what an intellectually honest reporter might find.
#28 Posted by Fish, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 12:25 PM
The AP is proving it's bias, and not being very sincere when they state she's an irrelevant politician, seeing they put 11 reporters on this fact checking...Read: Sarah's showing her stuff...at..
http://cooperscopy.blogspot.com/
#29 Posted by cooperscopy, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 12:35 PM
Someone needs to fact check the fact checkers.
#30 Posted by your mama, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 12:37 PM
"It is a colorful and persuasive metaphor to describe the panels which the Health Care Choices Commissioner will set up which will make recommendations about what will and will not be covered."
Correct
This taking issue with the use of "Death Panels" is emblematic of the Left's tendency to quibble like lawyers or parse criticisms which are largely accurate. It is reminiscent of how Bill Clinton an accomplished liar would insert grammatical pauses or change one word in a statement in order to preserve the self delusion he wasnt being intentionally misleading. Are we to believe that there are those who actually base their argument on the fact the exact phrase "Death Panels" doesnt appear anywhere in the healthcare bills? This is the best they have for rebuttal?
Using metaphor and hyperbole and extrapolation is precisely how politics today is waged, and the Left is an able practitioner of those techniques. There is a real danger of course is that the shorthand and these catch phrases that emerge from political campaigns replaces actual nuanced dialogue but like the football ref who continually misses the foul but whistles the retaliation, the Left never appears to be concerned with how they have degraded the political dialog into simplistic jabs until its served back up to them.
#31 Posted by M Colins, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 12:40 PM
On the fact-checking front and the health insurance debate, I read more than one insistence by mainstream reporters that the GOP charge that illegal immigrants would get coverage was untrue. The President repeated it. While the House legislation had a prohibition against illegal immigrants receiving medical insurance coveage, the Democrats had consistently voted down verification measures - rendering the Prohibition a classic of political hypocrisy. A law without an enforcement mechanism is just words on paper. Wonder how many staffers AP put on fact-checking Democratic and not just Republicans assertions about the health-care bill as it has evolved. Some of the political media's practices are less in an indictment of that old chestnut, 'liberal media bias', than they are of MSM professionalism, and therefore should be of genuine concern to the industry, instead of the usual huffy defensiveness and denial.
#32 Posted by Mark Richard, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 12:50 PM
On the fact-checking front and the health insurance debate, I read more than one insistence by mainstream reporters that the GOP charge that illegal immigrants would get coverage was untrue. The President repeated it. While the House legislation had a prohibition against illegal immigrants receiving medical insurance coveage, the Democrats had consistently voted down verification measures - rendering the Prohibition a classic of political hypocrisy. A law without an enforcement mechanism is just words on paper. Wonder how many staffers AP put on fact-checking Democratic and not just Republicans assertions about the health-care bill as it has evolved. Some of the political media's practices are less in an indictment of that old chestnut, 'liberal media bias', than they are of MSM professionalism, and therefore should be of genuine concern to the industry, instead of the usual huffy defensiveness and denial.
#33 Posted by Mark Richard, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 12:50 PM
Yes Virginia, there is a death panel in the health care bill. It's little brother has just made public it's findings on mamograms for women and papsmears for women under thirty years of age. It was all Sebelious could do to try to knock it down lest women might think that it was a peek at future edicts by the death panel. This entire AP fact check is a joke and one would hope half as much energy could be spared to not fact check Obama's book but to just check to see who wrote it. wroteit. .
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#34 Posted by inspectorudy, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 01:12 PM
What do you mean Mark. If a person is in the United States and they are making enough money to pay premiums, why should they be refused at the exchange even if they are illegal?
If they are paying their premiums then they will not be using the most expensive and critical resource for basic treatment - emergency care. You will be subsidizing them less by letting them participate out of their own pocket.
If they are applying for subsidies because of their income level then you can require the documentation that allows legitimate citizens and immigrants only to apply for those programs.
But what you guys are pushing is a complete ban of illegal immigrants from the exchange, which is like saying "illegal immigrants shouldn't be allowed to shop at walmart. They're eating our valuable Doritos!" Well, if they paid for it, they have every right to eat.
Is it not America?
#35 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 01:44 PM
It is interesting to see the commies at Columbia defending a conservative woman...one guesses, there are always exception to their madness.
#36 Posted by Nobama, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 02:03 PM
When considering whether the amount of money the federal government sends to Alaska compared to the taxes paid by Alaskans is a relevant fact in evaluating Palin's comments about Alaskans, it is important to remember that the federal government actually owns approximately 60% of the total state of Alaska. One might expect that the federal government would spend a considerable amount of money in Alaska.
#37 Posted by DTotusek, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 02:05 PM
How many reporters did AP assign to go through Obama's books and what wa your reaction to those findings?
#38 Posted by Bill, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 02:09 PM
Talk about "much ado about nothing"! I am surprised that the AP would even bother to report such trivial differences. Surely reinforces the idea that Sarah Palin has been subjected to undue and unfair media scrutiny. I can only say that for me personally, I have now gone from being a casual admirer to being a true believer. There is something un-American about the treatment that Gov Palin has received. We are at our core a very fair nation and this is unconscionable.
#39 Posted by Jeffrey L Minch, Austin, TX, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 02:09 PM
It would be great to have the AP assign 11 reporters to analyze the health care bill or the effects of the stimulus package.
#40 Posted by Ian, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 02:10 PM
Great article. I think the AP should put at least 22 reporters on Obama's book to fact check it. If a former governor deserves 11 people to fact check her book, surely the president deserves twice that many, don't you think? I'm waiting.
#41 Posted by Campbell, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 02:12 PM
Uh, no, they shouldn't be able to either pay for it, or use it. They are criminals. Criminals give up their right to participate in our society. While there could be some argument about the period of time they should give up that right, the clock starts running the moment they enter the country illegally and has no chance of stopping until they leave.
I'm also shocked at the lack of understanding about how Alaska's relationship to the federal government and why the amount of money they receive from the federal government is so great. Are people like Thimbles really so out of touch they believe Alaskans all get a big benefit check from the feds every year? Do they not understand what accounts for the largest expenditures of federal money in Alaska (not counting the Bridge to Nowhere)?
#42 Posted by John Fairplay, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 02:13 PM
on the plus side, Palin single-handedly 'created or saved' 11 jobs at the AP.
#43 Posted by negentropy, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 02:15 PM
11 AP personnal to fact check a 400 page book but AP has reported that they have only 2 personnel fact checking the HoR health proposal of over 1,000 pages and Harry Reid's Senate proposal - GEEZ no bias in the MSM
#44 Posted by gtcam, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 02:18 PM
By the by I've heard from a couple of sources that the AP's Palin fact checking was sub par. And, if that is the case, then I hope they improve their standards. I myself don't care enough about it to check it out myself."
Posted by Thimbles on Wed 18 Nov 2009 at 02:05 PM
OK, "'thimbles", we get it. You are too into sicko, crying about al gore losing by a chad, figuring out some way that bill clinton lying under oath before a grand jury was somehow a conservative republican conspiracy instead of a federal crime and that 9/11 was really another conspiracy perpetrated by none other than George W. Bush and, lest we forget, you aren’t going to buy and/or read Sarah Palin’s new book entitled, “Going Rogue” not rouge as I see so many of you cheeky liberals write (pun intended). We get it.
But you don't, obviously. Nor do you occupy the same plane of consciousness as your fellow man. The one we call reality. You may have a conscience, but that is about all you have left of what the good lord gave you. But it isn’t your fault, as Mr. Richard's so eloquently put it, “Since urban liberalism is the very air that most political journalists breathe, I've come to believe that it is so reflexive that these folks aren't even aware of how they come across to consumers who are not orthodox Democrats.” You see, it’s a disease you picked up from breathing too much of that orthodox urban liberal democrat air. You think we are all too dumb to read what you are saying and understand it for what it is. But we get it.
Posted by Phoenix110 on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 03:29 AM
THANK YOU PHOENIX, LOVE THIS RESPONSE TO THE LIBERAL NUT CASE, THIMBLE.
#45 Posted by bondud, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 02:26 PM
Quite a surprise to to see something like this here, in the place where they breed liberal bias. The comment above is quite fair - where is the emdia when it comes to "facts' put forth by the Obama Administration, such as this nonsense about jobs saved or created? Where is there a serious analysis about the health care bill? Afghanistan? And on and on. More important, why isn't anyone seriously looking at the disparate treatment accorded to Democrats and Republicans, or about liberal issues and conservative issues? How is it that Cindy Sheehan was made into a national figure? If the editors responsible would simply say, once and for all, that they maintain a patina of objectivity but really, REALLY slant the news, all this anger and frustration would disappear, but it is the hypocrisy and dishonesty that is really bothersome. Plus, the nonsensical pieces about how the mainstream media is too conservative because it bends over backwards to be fair - how can anyone of reasonable intelligence believe THAT!
#46 Posted by B. S. Davis, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 02:27 PM
Quite a surprise to to see something like this here, in the place where they breed liberal bias. The comment above is quite fair - where is the emdia when it comes to "facts' put forth by the Obama Administration, such as this nonsense about jobs saved or created? Where is there a serious analysis about the health care bill? Afghanistan? And on and on. More important, why isn't anyone seriously looking at the disparate treatment accorded to Democrats and Republicans, or about liberal issues and conservative issues? How is it that Cindy Sheehan was made into a national figure? If the editors responsible would simply say, once and for all, that they maintain a patina of objectivity but really, REALLY slant the news, all this anger and frustration would disappear, but it is the hypocrisy and dishonesty that is really bothersome. Plus, the nonsensical pieces about how the mainstream media is too conservative because it bends over backwards to be fair - how can anyone of reasonable intelligence believe THAT!
#47 Posted by B. S. Davis, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 02:30 PM
Quite a surprise to to see something like this here, in the place where they breed liberal bias. The comment above is quite fair - where is the emdia when it comes to "facts' put forth by the Obama Administration, such as this nonsense about jobs saved or created? Where is there a serious analysis about the health care bill? Afghanistan? And on and on. More important, why isn't anyone seriously looking at the disparate treatment accorded to Democrats and Republicans, or about liberal issues and conservative issues? How is it that Cindy Sheehan was made into a national figure? If the editors responsible would simply say, once and for all, that they maintain a patina of objectivity but really, REALLY slant the news, all this anger and frustration would disappear, but it is the hypocrisy and dishonesty that is really bothersome. Plus, the nonsensical pieces about how the mainstream media is too conservative because it bends over backwards to be fair - how can anyone of reasonable intelligence believe THAT!
#48 Posted by B. S. Davis, CJR on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 02:32 PM