
The damage done A study by Andrew Wakefield, right, helped fuel media attention to the vaccine-autism story, until Brian Deer exposed his work as deeply flawed. (Left: Courtesy of Brian Deer; Right: Anthony Devlin / Associated Press)
In 1998, The Lancet, one of the most respected medical journals, published a study by lead author Andrew Wakefield, a British physician who claimed there might be a link between the vaccine for measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) and autism, the developmental disorder that afflicts one out of every 88 children in the US. The paper coincided with growing concern among parents in the US and UK about a possible connection between the rising number of childhood vaccinations and the rising rate of autism among kids. Although the trends were only coincidental, Wakefield’s paper helped spark a debate about the supposed link that has played out in the media over the last 15 years.
Among scientists, however, there really was never much of a debate; only a small group of researchers ever even entertained the theory about autism. The coverage rarely emphasized this, if it noted it at all, and instead propagated misunderstanding about vaccines and autism and gave credence to what was largely a manufactured controversy. As Ben Goldacre, a British doctor and media critic, wrote in his 2008 bestseller, Bad Science: “[Y]ou will see news reporters, including the BBC, saying stupid things like ‘The research has since been debunked.’ Wrong. The research never justified the media’s ludicrous over-interpretation. If they had paid attention, the scare would never have even started.”
The consequences of this coverage go beyond squandering journalistic resources on a bogus story. There is evidence that fear of a link between vaccines and autism, stoked by press coverage, caused some parents to either delay vaccinations for their children or decline them altogether. To be sure, more than 90 percent of children in both the US and the UK receive the recommended shots according to schedule, but in 2012, measles infections were at an 18-year high in the UK, reflecting low and bypassed immunization in some areas. In the US, vaccine-preventable diseases reached an all-time low in 2011, but the roughly one in 10 children who get their shots over a different timeframe than the one recommended by the medical establishment, and the less than 1 percent who go entirely unvaccinated, are enough to endanger some communities. And American and British authorities have blamed recent outbreaks of measles and whooping cough on decisions to delay or decline vaccination.
Beginning in 2004, Brian Deer, a British investigative journalist, brought a measure of redemption to journalism’s performance on this story, publishing a series of articles about improprieties in Wakefield’s work that culminated with the British General Medical Council stripping Wakefield of his license to practice in 2010, and The Lancet retracting his paper. For most journalists, that should have effectively put an end to the autism story. But those who never bought the vaccine-autism link—in the press and elsewhere—have been waiting for the proverbial nail in the coffin on this story for years, and it never seems to come. In April, for instance, The Independent in London published an op-ed by Wakefield, in which he trotted out his argument about the mmr vaccine in the context of the current measles outbreak in Wales.
Contrary to popular belief, the autism scare didn’t begin immediately after publication of Wakefield’s 1998 paper. Initially, science and health journalists who, as Goldacre and others have noted, “were often fairly capable of balancing risks and evidence,” handled most of the coverage and kept the story in its proper context. But the scare began to gain momentum in 2001, driven in large part by Wakefield, but also by the refusal of then-Prime Minister Tony Blair and his wife to say whether or not they had vaccinated their son, Leo, which raised suspicions nationwide. (Years later, they acknowledged that Leo was, in fact, vaccinated on schedule.)
In the US, Wakefield’s paper didn’t garner much media attention at first. Concern about a link between vaccines and autism had quietly built among parents and some physicians throughout the 1990s, but it revolved around vaccines containing the preservative thimerosal, not around Wakefield’s specific concerns about the MMR vaccine. It wasn’t until a year later, when the Food and Drug Administration recommended removing thimerosal from childhood vaccines as a precautionary measure—stressing that it could find no positive link with autism—that the American press tucked into the debate. In 2000, Dan Burton, a former Republican Congressman from Indiana who believes that vaccines caused his grandson’s autism, held congressional hearings wherein he asked the Department of Health and Human Services to study the alleged link, and Wakefield made his way into The New York Times for the first time. The 820-word story, buried on page 20, emphasized the danger of sowing mistrust of vaccines and the fact that the mainstream medical community considered them safe. Then, six months later, Wakefield appeared on 60 Minutes, where he linked vaccines to what he called an “epidemic of autism.” In 2002, Burton held more hearings that led to more stories on the dangers of vaccines. Major reports from the Institute of Medicine, part of the National Academy of Sciences, in 2001 and 2004, rejected the link and drew a lot of coverage, but the level of concern among the public remained on the rise.
A number of studies linked coverage by the British media in that early period to declining rates of vaccinations and outbreaks of rare diseases. But again, the effect was slower to take hold in the US. In 2008, a group of epidemiologists in Philadelphia compared annual mmr immunization rates from 1995 to 2004 to coverage that mentioned a link with autism. Their study, published in the journal Pediatrics, found that MMR vaccinations started to decline in the US years before news coverage took off in 2001, suggesting “a limited influence of mainstream media on mmr immunization in the United States.”
That influence soon began to grow, however. In 2005, an unvaccinated Indiana teenager returned from a church trip to a Romanian orphanage, where she’d unknowingly contracted measles. The next day, she attended a gathering of fellow congregants, many of whom were also unvaccinated, and triggered what at the time was the largest measles outbreak in the US in nine years. “Concern about adverse events, particularly related to media reports of a putative association between vaccinations and autism and of the dangers of thimerosal, appeared to play a major role in the decision of these families to decline vaccination,” according to a 2006 study published in The New England Journal of Medicine.
The year of the Indiana outbreak was a banner year for promoting the autism-vaccine link in the media. That summer, Rolling Stone and Salon published Robert Kennedy Jr.’s article alleging that the federal government covered up the danger of vaccines. A laundry list of corrections and clarifications followed, and in 2011, Salon retracted the article (Rolling Stone never did).
But it was the work of two veteran journalists, not Kennedy’s shameful piece, that really kept the story simmering. In February 2005, St. Martin’s Press published Evidence of Harm by journalist David Kirby, in which Kirby didn’t reach any specific conclusions about a link but presented a litany of parental suspicions that suggested one. And that winter, Dan Olmsted, a senior editor at United Press International, turned out a series called “Age of Autism,” for which he conducted an admittedly unscientific survey that found lower autism rates among ostensibly unvaccinated Amish communities (other studies found that vaccination rates are high in those communities). Few newspapers picked up Olmsted’s articles, but they got the attention of Representative Carolyn Maloney, a Democrat from New York. In March 2006, Maloney held a briefing at the National Press Club, where she cited Olmsted’s work as her motivation for drafting legislation that would compel the federal government to study autism rates in unvaccinated populations.
Maloney’s bill went nowhere, but Kirby and Olmsted went on to build their careers around the idea that a link exists in some children. Olmsted launched Age of Autism in November 2007, branding it the “Daily Web Newspaper of the Autism Epidemic”; it continues to be one of the most popular sites for those who doubt, or are concerned about, the safety of vaccines. And Kirby has written numerous columns on the subject for The Huffington Post. (HuffPost has long been a sympathetic home for the vaccine-autism crowd; it published a number of misleading pieces by celebrity-advocate Jenny McCarthy, for instance, whose son has autism. McCarthy’s fame allowed her to spread her theories far and wide in the media, including via influential TV programs like Oprah and Ellen.)
CJR, too, played a role in sustaining the vaccine story. In a 2005 piece, Daniel Schulman, who’s now an editor at Mother Jones, advised that it was “too soon for the press to shut the door on the debate” about vaccines and thimerosal.
Yet evidence in support of closing that door continued to pile up, and if history remembers no other journalist who fought back against the spurious claims about vaccines, it will remember Brian Deer. Between 2004 and 2011, the investigative reporter produced a series of reports for The Sunday Times of London, the UK’s Channel 4 Television, and the British Medical Journal (BMJ) that exposed how Wakefield had exhibited a pattern of gross medical misconduct in his work on the vaccine-autism question, including the unethical treatment of children and undisclosed conflicts of interest. After The Lancet retracted Wakefield’s 1998 paper and he was stripped of his medical license, the British Medical Journal published Deer’s coup de grace: a series revealing that Wakefield had actually doctored medical histories presented in his 1998 paper. In an accompanying editorial, the BMJ accused Wakefield of perpetrating an “elaborate fraud.”
Between 1998 and 2006, 60 percent of vaccine-autism articles in British newspapers, and 49 percent in American papers, were “balanced,” in the sense that they either mentioned both pro-link and anti-link perspectives, or neither perspective, according to a 2008 study by Christopher Clarke at Cornell University. The remainder—40 percent in the British press and 51 percent in the American press—mentioned only one perspective or the other, but British journalists were more likely to focus on pro-link claims and the Americans were more likely to focus on anti-link claims.
While it’s somewhat reassuring that almost half the US stories (41 percent) tried, to varying degrees, to rebut the vaccine-autism connection, the study raises the problem of “objectivity” in stories for which a preponderance of evidence is on one side of a “debate.” In such cases, “balanced” coverage can be irresponsible, because it suggests a controversy where none really exists. (Think climate change, and how such he-said-she-said coverage helped sustain the illusion of a genuine debate within the science community.) A follow-up study by Clarke and Graham Dixon, published in November 2012, makes this point. The two scholars assigned 320 undergrads to read either a “balanced” article or one that was one-sided for or against a link between vaccines and autism. Those students who read the “balanced” articles were far more likely to believe that a link existed than those who read articles that said no link exits.
In that context, Susan Dominus’s 2011 profile of Andrew Wakefield in The New York Times Magazine is problematic. Dominus trailed Wakefield around Texas, where he now lives, as he continued to proselytize to one crowd after another. And while her story was highly critical of Wakefield, the decision to publish it at all was controversial among science journalists. Some worried that people would undoubtedly read it as martyr story; others argued that journalists should simply stop paying attention to Wakefield.
Reporters don’t need Wakefield, however, to keep this story alive. Also in 2011, Robert MacNeil, a former of host of PBS NewsHour, came out of retirement to produce a six-part series for the program, called “Autism Now.” In part one, MacNeil interviewed his daughter, Alison, whose son has autism, and let her make unfounded claims about vaccines. MacNeil, who narrated the series, told viewers there was no scientific evidence to support those claims, but it was a throwaway line that allowed MacNeil to claim “balance” while sowing serious misunderstanding about vaccines.
Thankfully, the Web is now full of watchdogs who are looking out for such shenanigans. One is Seth Mnookin, author of The Panic Virus, who wrote a blog post calling the PBS series “an embarrassing coda” to MacNeil’s career.
Today, people who worry that childhood inoculations trigger autism prefer to be described as “vaccine-hesitant,” rather than “anti-vaccine,” and think the CDC’s immunization schedule “overwhelms” kids’ immune systems. This rhetorical shift is illustrates how those who claim a link exists keep moving the goalposts. For the last three years, the idea that the shots are “too much, too soon” has the been the argument of last resort in the face of mounting evidence that vaccines have nothing to do with autism. Accordingly, federal authorities have stepped up efforts to reassure people that the number, frequency, timing, order, and age at which vaccines are given is safe.
In January and March, the Institute of Medicine and the CDC both released evaluations of the current vaccination schedule—which includes as many as 24 immunizations by a child’s second birthday—and reiterated that the shots are unrelated to autoimmune diseases, asthma, hypersensitivity, seizures, or learning and developmental disorders. While it’s true that children today get more shots than they once did, it’s not the number of shots that the body notices, but rather the amount of antigens—the substances that produce an immune response—they contain. These days, thanks to the development of more efficient vaccines, a child is exposed to a maximum of 315 antigens by the time he turns two, compared with “several thousand” in the late 1990s.
The US media greeted the reports with a collective yawn. In some sense, the media’s apathy is welcome, as there was never any proof that the vaccination schedule was unsafe to begin with. But it would be unfortunate if part of the autism story’s legacy is that reporters and editors are wary of tackling any story about vaccine safety. Because there are rare, but genuine, safety issues with vaccines that the public needs to know about. In a series of articles for Reuters in January and February, reporter Kate Kelland described how a Finnish researcher endured months of ridicule and accusations from colleagues while trying to establish a link between a flu vaccine called Pandemrix and an outbreak of narcolepsy among children in Europe. Eventually, other studies confirmed the link, Kelland reported, but she added a cautionary note: “After the false alarm sounded by British doctor Andrew Wakefield, some scientists say they are more hesitant to credit reports of potential side effects from vaccines.” That chilling effect might extend to journalists as well; Kelland was one of only a few reporters in the US or the UK to cover the Pandemrix story.

This is what's known as spin.
In reality, the autism BS was driven by lefty loons like Robert Kennedy Jr. Such folks always get the love from the media -- including a huge piece from The Washington Post's Style section. Even though it was known to be ridiculous at the time.
But, we are constantly told by the idiots who embraced this nuttery, that it's conservatives who are anti-science. Yet RFK Jr. is still treated as an expert by the media on climate stuff even though he's entirely discredited on this issue.
#1 Posted by Dan Gainor, CJR on Wed 1 May 2013 at 05:03 PM
one point of accuracy: the wakefield piece published in the independent was not an oped. it was reproduced from his blog and placed on a news page, along with a news article and a commentary by the health editor discreditiing all that wakefield was saying. the problem came when it appeared on the newspaper's website, as it could be accessed without the commentary and readers - wrongly - thought we were giving wakefield unchallenged space for his views.
the web version was later amended to make clear that the paper disagreed with his views.
regards, mary dejevsky
#2 Posted by mary dejevsky, CJR on Thu 2 May 2013 at 05:32 AM
Research is constantly miss or badly reported. The stories that stand out from the crowd (bad or irrelevant research) are what the media wants. No one wants to report on another piece of research confirming what is already widely reported.
Balance within the BBC is also a difficulty, which meant that when programming for the Darwin project a couple of years ago creationists were sought to give 'balance' when the weight of opinion makes them left field loons. Miss applied balance is the biggest threat to rational reporting. I am a media trainer at www.jdoubler.co.uk and an former BBC journalist. I've had to find balance guests when I know there is only one side to a story because that's what producer guidelines have told me.
#3 Posted by John Rockley, CJR on Thu 2 May 2013 at 10:06 AM
Hello.
Frontline did a useful piece on the "vaccine wars" a couple of years ago. It essentially painted the anti-vaccine crowd's fears as unfounded. What I found most compelling, and didn't notice in your piece, was the studies conducted in the Netherlands (or maybe Denmark) where for decades, detailed records of all medical procedures on all people have been collected). By simply referencing records, researchers could compare pre- and post-Thimerosal vaccine recipient outcomes, and those involving mercury. Their population wide findings: no link between Autism and vaccines, whatsoever. Cheers,
Matt Isles
#4 Posted by Matthew Isles, CJR on Thu 2 May 2013 at 10:16 PM
"In March 2006, Maloney held a briefing at the National Press Club, where she cited Olmsted’s work as her motivation for drafting legislation that would compel the federal government to study autism rates in unvaccinated populations."
Florida congressman Bill Posey introduced a bill on April 25 which would mandate the same study. Maloney is the only co-sponsor so far. Posey is scheduled to speak at Jenny McCarthy's annual anti-vaccine conference, AutismOne, in about four weeks. Posey's district includes Melbourne, Florida, home to The Good News Clinic, where Andrew Wakefield briefly worked after fleeing the UK.
David Kirby was reportedly paid $50,000 (maybe more, according to Seth Mnookin) to write Evidence of Harm, for which he won the 2005 Investigative Reporters and Editors Award for Best Book. The rot goes very deep.
In his Age of Autism series, Dan Olmsted claimed to have scoured the hills and dales of Lancaster County looking for autistic Amish children. But he somehow missed the cryptically named Clinic for Special Children in Strasburg, PA, which treats dozens of autistic children. Doctors there also offer a monthly vaccine clinic which is well attended.
Thank you CJR for covering this story. Andrew Wakefield may have loaded the anti-vaccine gun with his fraudulent study, but the trigger was pulled by credulous news media outlets.
#5 Posted by AutismNewsBeat, CJR on Thu 2 May 2013 at 11:18 PM
Given many of the neurotoxic ingredients in vaccines, they do indeed cause some neurological damage--some permanenlty. This is fact. They also trigger much of the autism--certainly not all -- but some--as well as many other side effects. This is all well documented. The writer would do well to do more research on studies published in peer-reviewed journals that do not make the papers or tv shows..
#6 Posted by Mr. Augie, CJR on Sat 4 May 2013 at 04:08 PM
"Yet RFK Jr. is still treated as an expert by the media on climate stuff even though he's entirely discredited on this issue."
RFK went against the peered reviewed science and the media was dumb for airing claims "known to be ridiculous at the time."
Dan Gainor of the Heartland Institute goes against peer reviewed science and the media is dumb for not pledging "to be neutral [They] gave up their watchdog role to become lapdogs for one position. The media became alarmist claiming the planet is at a “tipping point” as if at any moment everything would go over the edge..."
http://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/Gainor%20testimony.pdf
"This goes against the basic tenets of journalism to be skeptical of all sides of an issue. It also violates the ethical code of the Society of Professional Journalists which urges the media to “Support the open exchange of views, even views they find repugnant.” That code calls for reporters to “Distinguish between advocacy and news reporting.”
Dan Gainor, if you believe we should start screening disreputable cranks, do realize you and your associates will be near the top of the list.
KTHANXGBYE.
#7 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Sun 5 May 2013 at 02:10 PM
re: "While it’s true that children today get more shots than they once did, it’s not the number of shots that the body notices, but rather the amount of antigens."
That's baloney. You are simply parroting something that doesn't make sense. There is a lot more to vaccines than antigens, for example aluminum adjuvants which provoke a stronger and longer lasting reaction from the immune system. When Dr. Robert Sears tried to find research identifying a safe level of aluminum for injection, he could not find it.
http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/vaccines/vaccine-faqs
The aluminum is there for a reason; without it the vaccines would be less effective. But do we really understand the affects of giving so many vaccines containing aluminum to babies? We have a generation of children with high rates of disorders involving inflammation and auto-immunity: asthma, food allergies, type 1 diabetes, IBD, autism, bipolar, and ADHD.
#8 Posted by Twyla, CJR on Mon 6 May 2013 at 02:22 AM
I appreciate that you say that, "90 percent of children in both the US and the UK receive the recommended shots according to schedule" and that, "roughly one in 10 children who get their shots over a different timeframe than the one recommended by the medical establishment, and the less than 1 percent who go entirely unvaccinated..." Many writing about this topic do not differentiate between those who are vaccinating selectively and those who are not vaccinating at all. So, for example, if a baby only skips the hepatitis b vaccine, or simply delays the vaccines to avoid getting so many at once, they are counted as non-vaccinating.
But is an unvaccinated rate of 1% really such a crisis to justify censorship of the news?
And many of the outbreaks have been occurring among vaccinated people, due to waning vaccine-induced immunity, or changing strains of (for example) pertussis and mumps making the vaccine less effective.
People must have the right to make informed medical choices, based on full information.
#9 Posted by Twyla, CJR on Mon 6 May 2013 at 04:04 AM
Yes, Rep. Posey and Rep. Maloney have proposed a bill to do a retrospective study examining whether there are different health outcomes when comparing vaccinated children and unvaccinated children, including autism and chronic conditions. "Seems like common sense to do a study comparing vaccinated children vs unvaccinated and this week I was pleased to be joined by my colleague Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) in introducing H.R. 1757, The Vaccine Safety Study Act. This would direct the National Institutes of Health to conduct a retrospective study of health outcomes, including autism, of vaccinated versus unvaccinated children. That should bring an answer to this decades long question."
http://beta.congress.gov/congressional-record/2013/04/26/extensions-of-remarks-section/article/E576-1
#10 Posted by Twyla, CJR on Mon 6 May 2013 at 04:16 AM
There was a more recent Congressional Hearing about autism and vaccines on 11/29/2012, available to see here:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/309672-1
Although it is long, below are some brief highlights.
00:00:10 Good opening statement by the Chairman, Rep. Darrell Issa ( R-CA) emphasizing the bipartisanship of this issue. (7 minutes)
00:21:41 Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) talks about mercury in the environment, the impact of financial interests, and a legislative slight-of-hand. (2 min. 20 seconds)
00:38:27 Rep. Darrell Issa (R–CA) asks excellent questions (5 min. 30 seconds)
00:50:40 Rep. Dan Burton (R-Indiana) shows a video from the University of Calgary on the effects of mercury on nerve cells (4 min. 30 seconds)
01:04:36 Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Arizona), who is a dentist, talks about his family history of celiac disease, how much his autistic nephew benefited from a GFCF diet, and the need for more study of dietary intervention. “We should be focusing on the family; they’re telling you what’s going on...” (5 minutes)
01:15:46 Rep. Patrick Meehan (R-Pennsylvania) asks a bunch of hard hitting questions and gets woefully inadequate responses from the to govt officials.
“Have you ever seen anything in which there has been such a dramatic progression in the incidence of diagnosis in a 6 year period, in your experience at the CDC?”
(6 min. 14 seconds)
1:22:20 Rep. John Tierney (D-Massachusetts) asks why thimerosal hasn’t been removed from all vaccines – it's still used in multi-dose vials of flu vaccines. He asks about prevalence data in other countries and what is done to try to determine why there are different rates, and Dr. Boyle talks about a study of families. (5 min. 13 seconds)
***01:38:53 Rep. Bill Posey (R-Florida) – one of the very best – don’t miss it!! Asks so many great questions that I can’t list them all, and he doesn’t accept evasive answers.***
01:50:10 Rep. Chris Smith (R-NJ) says that it hurts the effort when people keep saying that the increase is due to better diagnosis. Rep. Smith chairs the African Global Health and Human Rights Committee Foreign Affairs and African committee and has worked on the Foreign Affairs committee for many years, and says that they have never seen such a prevalence spike in Africa as they have seen during the past 15 years. Asks why NJ has high autism rates, and also asks about gut flora. (7 minutes)
01:57:10 Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) – another of the very best. Rep. Maloney asks whether a study has been done comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated populations. She questions why we give so many vaccines at the same time. She tells about how many of her constituents have come to her with stories of changed lives after vaccine reactions.
02:03:05 Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-Florida) asks whether children get 40 vaccines today. Dr. Boyle and Dr. G. don’t know! He asks why we give so many more shots than other countries, and than 40 years ago? Have we looked at the impact of these combinations of vaccines? Are we over-vaccinating children? 1000% increase in autism while # of vaccines increased from 6 to 40. Costs of autism: 2.3 million for life-time care per person, 137 billion per year for the country? Dr G “doesn’t have the data to agree or disagree” with these figures. (4 min. 20 seconds)
02:07:25 Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Maryland) gets right to the heart of the matter: “There’s something wrong with this picture”. A beautiful, simple, eloquent statement. Says, let’s put the brakes on this and at least figure it out. (1 min. 40 seconds)
02:11:10 Rep. Jim Matheson (D-Utah) asks about the disparities in autism rates in different states. Utah has rate of 1 in 47. Are they are studying reasons for these disparities? Dr. Boyle talks about differences in how states iden
#11 Posted by Twyla, CJR on Mon 6 May 2013 at 04:30 AM
To get a feeling for Brian Deer, and for what the parents think, please see this video:
Brian Deer and The GMC, Selective Hearing. BMJ Journalist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id_AxZ3zHAc
Notice how one woman is holding a photo of her son's abdomen with a colostomy bag hanging out of it, and Brian Deer says, "That's not bowel disease, that's diarrhea!" Another woman is holding an x-ray showing her son's grapefruit-sized ball of impacted poop, and he says, "That's not bowel disease! That's constipation!"
#12 Posted by Twyla, CJR on Mon 6 May 2013 at 04:36 AM
Ah, Thimbles, since this is a journalism site, you are supposed to get those pesky things called "facts" correct.
I have never been employed by the good folks at the Heartland Institute. I have spoken at their events, as I have done for a couple dozen organizations over the years. But I've never gotten one cent from them.
Yep, the media have been overwhelming advocates for climate change even though the scientists currently admit the earth hasn't warmed in the last 15 years. In fact, this is a record cold spring.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released--chart-prove-it.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/16/us-climate-slowdown-idUSBRE93F0AJ20130416
The media spin on that issue has been all over the thermometer -- five different ways in the last 100 plus years.
What you know of journalistic standards wouldn't fill your thimbles.
#13 Posted by Dan Gainor, CJR on Mon 6 May 2013 at 06:28 AM
A) Oh sorry, you're just listed as their "expert" and speak at their events. I guess I shouldn't have used the word employed.
Oh wait, I didn't. Blow away lightweight.
B)"Yep, the media have been overwhelming advocates for climate change even though the scientists currently admit the earth hasn't warmed in the last 15 years."
Crank statement from crank advocate.
Old information is old.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13719510
And since you're an 'expert' you should know better.
So you're either stupid or a liar. Experts don't get to claim ignorance, amirite?
"In fact, this is a record cold spring."
Oh the old 'It snowed somewhere on earth, therefore the earth must be cooling.'
The expert has spoken.
The truth is this:
http://www.wunderground.com/climate/PETM.asp
We are putting Carbon at a rate 7 times faster than we've seen in the geologic record. Temperatures are increasing 10 times faster than we've seen in the geologic record.
The last time this kind of thing happened with no cap, we saw the Permian Extinction. And we are outputting carbon 9 times the rate of that volcanic event which came to be known as the great dying.
So please, keep treating extinction level catastrophe as if it's a high school debate, so we can all laugh at you from our graves.
(Seriously, how do you justify to yourself your service to private power at the expense of collective survival? How does your paycheck help you live with your enablement of the process by which the human world dies? How do you justify railing against a 'left wing' person for going against tested expertise and then doing it yourself for Brent Bozwell? Do you have any moral compass?)
#14 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 6 May 2013 at 09:42 AM
Ah Thimbles. You said "Dan Gainor of the Heartland Institute." I am not now nor have I ever been "of the Heartland Institute." Facts matter. Try it.
Yes, your old information (2011) is old. Good job.
I am not nor nor have I ever claimed to be a climate change expert. Nor are all the reporters who are covering this issue in a one-sided way. I am a natural skeptic, you know, like journalists are supposed to be.
As for the weather, yes, I agree. Weather is anecdotal. But 15 years is a trend. Still, journos always are happy to write anecdotal warming stories. Why not the reverse?
Ah, "extinction level catastrophe." Sure. Hard to argue with the people who follow their science beliefs even when they read like they are Weekly World News.
#15 Posted by Dan Gainor, CJR on Mon 6 May 2013 at 12:17 PM
" There is a lot more to vaccines than antigens, for example aluminum adjuvants which provoke a stronger and longer lasting reaction from the immune system."
There is no elemental aluminum in vaccines, only aluminum salts. The properties of an element change when the element bonds with other elements. That's why people who use table salt don't choke to death on toxic chlorine gas. Twyla, who regularly spams comments with anti-vaccine propaganda, knows this. She simply doesn't care about the truth.
#16 Posted by AutismNewsBeat, CJR on Mon 6 May 2013 at 01:43 PM
"Facts matter. Try some."
You first, expert.
"Yes, your old information (2011) is old. Good job."
Not as old as your "global warming stopped 16 years ago *dribble, dribble*" rumor. You've had so many years to correct the record, and yet you fail.
Must be a habit.
"I am not nor nor have I ever claimed to be a climate change expert."
And yet you speak at conferences on the subject. All of the desire to speak and none of the desire to acquire expertise. Do you know what that makes you? Lazy.
"I am a natural skeptic,"
just like RFK jr?
"like journalists are supposed to be."
when they see stupid claims by non-experts just like RFK jr?
"But 15 years is a trend."
You know what a trend might be? 40 years at 99% significance:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-cooling-january-2007-to-january-2008.htm
http://www.skepticalscience.com/no-warming-in-16-years-advanced.htm
You know what 15 years is? The time it takes the earth to light a match. (Those interested in peer reviewed, tested science should watch the YouTube video embedded in those links.)
One more point afore I go..
#17 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 6 May 2013 at 06:29 PM
Actually, Thimbles, the peculiar position is yours, siding with the most powerful and dubious collectives of all: worldwide governments, govt-funded industries and universities, pro-govt media, and and govt-controlled media. And just because your indomitable Goliath of a collective believes that global warming is an actual catastrophe and is human-caused, doesn't give your collective the moral authority or legal right to tax every individual or group. I may believe that abortion and aggressive war are equally immoral and are destroying civilization; but I don't have a right to force you to live your life as I see fit, or to pay a tax or penalty otherwise. Prior restraint is the m.o. of authoritarian regimes and hypocritical busybodies. Btw, any journalist who reports on hazardous emissions and the environment, without putting the Pentagon among the prime suspects, is a blind dupe or intellectual fraud.
#18 Posted by Dan A., CJR on Mon 6 May 2013 at 06:46 PM
Ah, "extinction level catastrophe." Sure. Hard to argue with the people who follow their science beliefs even when they read like they are Weekly World News."
Again, that is what the science is saying.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=mass-extinctions-tied-to-past-climate-changes
http://m.rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/early/2012/10/15/rspb.2012.1890.full
Not the world news daily. You've chosen a side and it's the side of the cranks who are pushing us off a cliff.
And by "us" I mean you, your children, the future of the human race that is dependant on climate stability.
You are on that side, so tell us; is the money worth it? You, Dan Gainor, are in the rare position to lose the whole world and your soul. Is the profit that good, that it balances the kind of sociopath you have to be to lie about the knowledge required to preserve this civilization on this planet?
This is what the science says and has been saying out loud for 3 decades. You choose to ignore it and, by doing so, you make yourself responsible for all the consequences of your choice. You chose not to be an expert because lying about societal suicide is an easier trade.
I don't see how someone can live with that choice.
#19 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 6 May 2013 at 07:02 PM
Thimbles, you call your opponent a liar who knowingly profits off evil, when in fact you merely disagree. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Dan Gainor isn't a politician or otherwise employed by the govt or any other gang of legalized aggression. So, you're way out of line here. ( ;
#20 Posted by Dan A., CJR on Mon 6 May 2013 at 07:21 PM
Back on topic, here's a report from scientists who are talking about climate change from the angle of how to communicate it in an environment where cranks like Dan Gainor get air time on Fox News to talk about it:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=the-climate-of-climate-science-12-09-28
It's not about information, the information doesn't make a dent unless you are prepared to speak about the values motivating the dementia behind climate denial.
And as Ayndy Randy Dan A demonstrates, these people have vastly different values.
http://www.thenation.com/article/164497/capitalism-vs-climate
Hey Dan. Am I allowed to poison you? Am I allowed to damage your property? If I do so without intention, but as a necessary part of my making a profit, are you owed anything? Should people have the right to buy their power from producers whom they approve and forgo power from producers they disgust? Should people be allowed to choose what gets subsidized based on public benefit and support instead of how it is today, based on fossil power contributions to the campaigns of corrupt politicians? Should damages have a cost and should markets have prices reflecting true costs?
Fossil power isn't freedom. It is the old hand around your throat manipulating markets so that societies are dependent on their monopolies and then jacking up prices when societies have no choice but to pay. Freedom is bei g able to choose processes which require no future fuel costs and incur few future maintenance costs.
Why has the pentagon been so agressive and intrusive globally? To secure supplies of fossil power. For us? No. For the fossil power industry the country is dependant on.
Should we not fight for another choice than subjugation to our fossil addiction?
You tell me. Why is the fossil industry worth preserving through the accounting of damage and their subsidies (in blood) for supply?
#21 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 6 May 2013 at 07:40 PM
"Thimbles, you call your opponent a liar who knowingly profits off evil, when in fact you merely disagree."
You're right. Previously above, I considered the possibility that Dan was either stupid or a liar.
It was hasty of me to rule one of those possibilities out.
#22 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 6 May 2013 at 07:46 PM
Clearly Thimbly feels that posting hundreds and hundreds of words strung together in word salad actually means something. It does not.
The articles I posted were current. Yours was from two years ago.
Yes, I speak in public about media coverage of this and hundreds of other issues. Comes with being a media critic. I have also personally spoken with dozens of scientists on many sides of this issue (there are more than two). And I would love to get them all in a big gym some place and figure out what is actually true.
Till I do, I will remain skeptical and unwilling to wreck the global economy based on a theory.
RFK Jr. isn't a skeptic. He's an anti-mercury zealot.
Ah, so if we need 40 years for a trend, does that mean we're in a cooling trend? Because that goes back to the '70s. Or another 40 years and we'd be in a warming trend like the Dust Bowl. And another 40 and we're back to cooling in the 1890s. Go back another 40 and it's the Little Ice Age.
And no, Thim, you aren't allowed to poison me. You are allowed to try. And I am allowed to defend myself. My money is on that defense.
As for the last, you make me laugh. Anyone who is so cowardly to be afraid to use a real name on a site about journalism has a lot to hide. You are the kind of individual that hides in the dark, much like roaches and rats.
#23 Posted by Dan Gainor, CJR on Mon 6 May 2013 at 09:49 PM
Thimbles "I don't see how someone can live with that choice."
DannyG "Clearly Thimbly feels that posting hundreds and hundreds of words strung together in word salad actually means something. It does not."
I see now. When you take silver pieces for selling out humanity, the secret to a happy life is to avoid any questions about the practice... and hide away the mirrors.
"The articles I posted were current. Yours was from two years ago."
Mine happen to be valid today. Your daily mail one happens to have been recycled crap from more than 2 years ago which I dealt with at the time.
http://www.cjr.org/the_observatory/medical_research_spin_media_pr.php#comment-66190
(David Rose made his sh*t up. Crap remains crap, news at 11.)
And the reuters article is basically restating what I've been saying, that you've had La Ninas and a deep Solar minimum for the last decade and we've still seen the hottest decade on record. For those who are interested in the "climate slowdown", look to Columbia's own server and read James Hansen's paper.
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2013/20130115_Temperature2012.pdf
"The 5-year running mean of global temperature has been flat for the past decade. It should be noted that the "standstill" temperature is at a much higher level than existed at any year in the prior decade except for the single year 1998, which had the strongest El Nino of the century. However, the standstill has led to a widespread assertion that "global warming has stopped"...
A slower growth rate of the net climate forcing may have contributed to the standstill of global temperature in the past decade, but it cannot explain the standstill, because it is known that the planet has been out of energy balance, more energy coming in from the sun than energy being radiated to space.10 The planetary energy imbalance is due largely to the increase of climate forcings in prior decades and the great thermal inertia of the ocean."
Exercise for the reader, do a google image search for the heat curve of water. Imagine having a burner under a flask of ice water. Watch what happens as water temperatures rise to the point where they initiate a phase change. Does the temperature rise?
No.
Is heat energy still being injected into the system?
Yes.
Are the changes in heat energy showing as temperature or as physical changes within the system?
Temperature is not the only measure of heat energy within a system. Temperature measures the ambient heat within a system. Ice and the water that has just melted from it can both be 0°, but the water has more heat. We are measuring air around stations and claiming temperature hasn't changed. Are we measuring sea ice melts, droughts, changes within the jet streams, melting permafrost in the tundra? Are we measuring the physical changes and the energy taken to make them?
No. When 'natural skeptics' say the planet hasn't warmed, they're talking about thermometer records - the ones they didn't trust half a second ago.
"I have also personally spoken with dozens of scientists on many sides of this issue (there are more than two)."
I know. It's amazing what money can buy.
"Till I do, I will remain skeptical and unwilling to wreck the global economy based on a theory."
It's not about wrecking an economy, it's about building an economy that's balanced on more than one, weak, poisonous pillar. Fossil power is going the way of the dinosaur, like it or not. The question is whether we're going to let it take us with it.
"RFK Jr. isn't a skeptic. He's an anti-mercury zealot."
And Danny is an anti-science zealot. We all believe different things, but some of us ha
#24 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 7 May 2013 at 12:09 AM
"And Danny is an anti-science zealot. We all believe different things, but some of us ha.."
have evidence and some of us are "unwilling to wreck the global economy based on a theory". Their version of the global economy trumps our lives and climatic stability, therefore they fight the theory. No matter the evidence.
"Ah, so if we need 40 years for a trend, does that mean we're in a cooling trend?"
It means you're in a bs trend. Again, if this were a high school debate, the jester routine would be ooo so impressive.
But it's more serious than that. Those who are serious will read the links above.
"And no, Thim, you aren't allowed to poison me."
Sigh. Chalk up another tally for the stupid column. (I guess I'll have to tone down the abstract around the Heartland experts).
"My money is on that defense."
Save your defense for Exxon.
http://rt.com/usa/arkansas-oil-pipeline-keystone-235/
Moron.
"You are the kind of individual that hides in the dark, much like roaches and rats."
A man who sells out his species compares me to rats and roaches. Secret two to a happy life, changing the topic on a silver dime.
#25 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 7 May 2013 at 12:17 AM
More on your 'authority' at the daily mail:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/03/18/global_warming_denial_debunking_misleading_climate_change_claims_by_david.html
#26 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 7 May 2013 at 12:24 AM
Thimbly the Coward
How dare I sell out my own species, as you so hilariously put it? Gosh, I disagree with the Mighty Thimbles. All bow down to the person too afraid to even list a real name! And yes, that does matter because it goes to your credibility -- which is zero.
Once again you seem to think bombarding the board with endless comments wins a debate. All it does is show you to be a kook, the kind who sends 10 letters a week to the local editor. And, of course, the kind who is too paranoid to even use his real name.
And too inaccurate to even list where I really work. You keep calling me a Heartland expert when in fact I've never received a thin dime from them.
As for the last, apparently it's anti-science to base findings on the scientific method. You know, where you question results, try to poke holes in the way they were generated and more? Yeah, clearly you DON'T know.
#27 Posted by Dan Gainor, CJR on Tue 7 May 2013 at 06:11 AM
"I disagree with the Mighty Thimbles."
No dude, you disagree with the science. On a basis which is probably weak. On a subject which is provably universally dire.
Which is why you're flailing about a fact that you should talk to heartland about, not me.
You're the one giving senate testimonies, you're the one showing up on fox TV, your the one listed as:
http://heartland.org/dan-gainor
Heartland expert.
I don't care who pays you, what I care about is that you accept the money for lying about something that, according to the scientists, threatened the viability of the systems upon which we live.
Now maybe that's a justifiable thing to do if you're this guy:
http://oldfilmsflicker.tumblr.com/post/20619565814/gary-oldman-as-jean-baptiste-emanuel-zorg-in-the
But I don't see how anyone looking at the current state of climate science can just shrug their shoulders and claim "All that melting ice? Just a theory."
I couldn't do that to my kids and you're doing it to their world.
That makes you at least as awful as RFKjr.
#28 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 7 May 2013 at 08:34 AM
"probably weak" should have been "provably"
"according to the scientists, threatened the viability of the systems upon which we live" should be "threatens".
Alas, autocorrect, you got me again.
For bonus, a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrag_FkFaXk
Another economy is possible.
#29 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 7 May 2013 at 09:06 AM
As a parent of a child with autism and a child without, I have always tried to keep informed and educated about the vaccine issue. This piece did nothing to ease my skepticism about vaccines. While I do not believe vaccines caused my kid's autism, I am very wary of the number of shots my eight year old's got by the time they were 2 years old (36 each, including Hep B before 24 hours old). I'm not sure why we should be considered anti-vaccine or "loonies" just because we question it. My doctor has never given me a declaration that vaccines are always safe for all kids. And I find it disconcerting that we've been required to initial forms acknowledging our receipt of disclosures of certain risks and side effects associated with vaccines. I've adhered to the schedule but now check their blood titres for immunity when the school requires proof of vaccination and boosters. To blindly follow the ever-increasing vaccination requirements is dangerous, imo.
#30 Posted by Ericka Labedz, CJR on Tue 7 May 2013 at 01:04 PM
Thimbly the Coward
No, I disagree with you. The essence of science is disagreement, not surrender to a popular theory -- like the earth is flat or the moon is made of cheese.
I have spoken with dozens of climate scientists on this. It's amazing they agree which direction north is. They do not agree on climate change. I have read the 100,000 word read me file that went along with Climate Gate. Try that. It's an eye opener about climate "science" and data integrity.
I also know the media (this site is devoted to such) have gone off the deep end every 40 years about climate, but they alternate. I easily recall the cold earth warnings of the 1970s. Before that, we had warm earth in the '30s and cold earth in the 1890s. Before that, we had an actually cold earth with the Little Ice Age.
So thank God it's warmed above that.
But here's the real kicker about climate change: climate is ALWAYS changing. Has always done so and will always do so. The hubris here belongs to those who have determined what THEY think is the optimum climate (and boy THAT depends on where you live).
And again, no. I work for the Media Research Center. Have done so for going on nine years.
#31 Posted by Dan Gainor, CJR on Tue 7 May 2013 at 11:21 PM
"No, I disagree with you."
No, you disagree with the science. Even scientists who are reserved about their predictions and are open to talking to people like you recognize the basic tenets of greenhouse gas driven climate change.
For instance:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/mar/20/response-mail-on-sunday-great-green-con-climate-change
"I explained how recent observations were indeed suggesting that very high values of the so-called "climate sensitivity" (the long-term warming we should expect on doubling carbon dioxide), values greater than 5C or so, were looking less likely. And how the current rate of warming was looking unrealistic in some of the higher-response models in the current round of comparisons.
But I also explained that doubling pre-industrial carbon dioxide concentrations, which we are almost certain to do now, was just the beginning. Increasing use of fossil carbon at the current rate would drive atmospheric concentrations towards four times pre-industrial figures by 2100. So even if the "climate sensitivity" is as low as 2C, as some lines of evidence now suggest, we would still be looking at 4C plus by the early 22nd century.
The reason is that there is plenty of fossil carbon down there, and we keep finding more: the Japanese have just demonstrated how to mine sub-ocean methane clathrates. And as other carbon pools fill up, an increasing fraction of the carbon we dump in the atmosphere stays there, in effect, forever (unless our grandchildren decide to pump it out again)."
The science recognizes that CO2 has basic, testable in lab properties:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot5n9m4whaw
which are usable to reconstruct past events in earth's history and predict future events as CO2 forms a larger ratio of our atmosphere.
The science recognizes the changes produced by the gas contributions made to now are destabilizing. The science recognizes the changes to be made by the gas contributions to come will be catastrophic.
If you argue that those tenets are somehow "alarmist", you are arguing with with the findings of science. You are a crank sifting the earth for the rare nuggets of information which confirm your bias ever so slightly.
That ain't science, that's desperation. You're too scared of reality to deal with the real thing. Cont.
#32 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 8 May 2013 at 02:48 AM
"But here's the real kicker about climate change: climate is ALWAYS changing."
So desperate to believe everything's normal.
But here's the thing, D-bag, rate matters. It's always rained in Iowa, but when the rains come rapidly, you get floods in Iowa.
Climate changes happen, but they happen over long periods of time. Millennias. Sudden changes create extinctions. Sudden changes over 20,000 years have created extinctions. We're doing these things in centuries.
What we're doing isn't normal:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/may/07/isnt-weather-we-grew-up-with
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2012/20120803_DicePopSci.pdf
The hubris here belongs to the idiots who believe that this will not matter to them or their kids...
and then bring the weakest, non-scientific hokum to explain their believe, "Dah.. If it weren't for guys like me, we'd all think da moon is made of cheese. Evury science guy I talk to beliefs dat North is North, but the weathur is a different beast." *pass out, bartender calls you a cab*
Post some science which explains how Carbon Dioxide hasn't raised temperatures so far and won't raise temperatures further in future.
Post the science which explains how Carbon Dioxide warming unchecked won't create widespread disaster.
You won't. Know why? You don't have it. You are not arguing with me, you are arguing with about the direction of North, the science of Greenhouse Gas emissions.
Period.
#33 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 8 May 2013 at 03:18 AM
PS :
http://www.skepticalscience.com/What-1970s-science-said-about-global-cooling.html
"A persistent argument designed to discredit the field of climate science is that scientists predicted an ice age in the 1970s. So popular in fact that it ranks an impressive #7 in the most cited skeptic arguments...
However, these are media articles, not peer reviewed scientific papers. Does a consensus on global cooling emerge from the scientific literature?"
Short answer? No.
Got any different lies?
#34 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 8 May 2013 at 03:22 AM
Chait puts it best:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/04/george-will-anti-climate-science-loon.html
"George F. Will.. uses the last occasion to share his favorite statistic: There has been no global warming for fifteen years!.."
Will’s enthusiastic disdain for climate science, which appears to date back to his enthusiastic 2004 reading of Michael Crichton’s State of Fear, a really weird anti-climate science polemical novel, tells us a lot about the state of conservative movement thought. You can find examples of non-conservatives embracing fringe anti-scientific beliefs, like vaccine rejection, but you don’t find this happening among prestigious, mainstream liberal intellectuals.
George Will is as intellectually prestigious a conservative thinker as you’ll find. Before David Brooks came along, he was the conservative liberals liked to cite when they wanted to hold up a conservatives they could respect. And he’s crazy as a loon!"
That is the state of well enumerated conservative crankry today.
More than a bit bigoted:
http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2013/05/niall-fergusons-latest-gay-bashing-is-the-least-of-his-problems.html
More than a bit crazy.
#35 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 8 May 2013 at 09:39 AM
Please stick to the topic, guys. It's vaccinations and autism. Not climate science or each other. Thanks.
#36 Posted by Sara Morrison, CJR on Wed 8 May 2013 at 10:28 AM
"Given many of the neurotoxic ingredients in vaccines, they do indeed cause some neurological damage--some permanenlty. This is fact. They also trigger much of the autism--certainly not all -- but some--as well as many other side effects. This is all well documented. The writer would do well to do more research on studies published in peer-reviewed journals that do not make the papers or tv shows.."
Cite your sources if you are going to make claims or say "this is fact". Well documented? Where?
#37 Posted by GDo, CJR on Wed 8 May 2013 at 01:09 PM
"Please stick to the topic, guys. It's vaccinations and autism. Not climate science or each other. Thanks."
Sorry for the digression; I let the hypocrisy of others get under my skin today.
Back onto autism, here's some interesting science:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3548163/
With this handy chart detailing the environmental factors:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3548163/table/T1/
Of course, if you wanted to study whether there was a connection between mercury toxicity and autism, you could look at Minamata bay survivors and see if high exposures to Mercury caused increased autism.
I suspect not.
#38 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 8 May 2013 at 05:56 PM
Searched for Minamata and autism and this came up
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2376879/
Interesting.
"Those in the scientific community take it as axiomatic that all forms of mercury are not created equal; in particular, there are good reasons to believe that the ethylmercury used in vaccines is very different from the methylmercury studied in environmental science. In public discourse, however, such distinctions are subsumed under a single entity, mercury, with a long and very public history. Perhaps unfairly, history has endowed mercury in all of its forms with a notoriety that is not easy to erase, as will quickly be discovered by any pediatrician trying to convince an anxious mother that a “trace” of mercury in a vaccine is safe. One cannot simply brush aside this perception in constructing policy."
#39 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 8 May 2013 at 09:54 PM
In other mercury news
http://www.nature.com/news/seafood-diet-killing-arctic-foxes-on-russian-island-1.12953
Coastal foxes eating a sea dependant diet are dying. Why? Mercury levels 10 times higher than inland foxes.
Where's the mercury coming from?
Coal.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2721888/
"Mercury emitted from Asian coal-fired power plants travels long distances via ocean currents and raises mercury levels in the North Pacific Ocean, report researchers who measured mercury at 16 ocean sites between Hawaii and Alaska. Their findings may explain why mercury levels are increasing in waters of the eastern North Pacific when no local source of mercury is apparent and suggest, moreover, that fish mercury levels may respond in kind. By 2050, wrote Elsie M. Sunderland and colleagues, mercury levels in the North Pacific could double relative to 1995 levels if anthropogenic emissions remain at their present levels, including coal use in Asia. The study, reported in the 1 May 2009 issue of Global Biogeochemical Cycles, is the first to document methylmercury formation in the Pacific Ocean."
Climate change is not just a temperature issue. Ocean acidification and mercury poisoning are going to play a larger role as years and global emmissions go by.
#40 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Thu 9 May 2013 at 09:25 AM
I see the freak Thimbles has posted the encyclopedia in my absence. LOL. Some poor news outlet somewhere is wondering why the crazy old coot isn't doing any work. He's now just debating himself.
In response to another post, yes, this IS about autism. And about how journos will report anything if they like the people who front for it. But the entire eco and health subjects are filled with similar stories as this. So the broader question is how to keep journos from being taken in by people like RFK Jr.?
#41 Posted by Dan Gainor, CJR on Fri 10 May 2013 at 06:21 AM
"So the broader question is how to keep journos from being taken in by people like RFK Jr..."
and organizations represented by people like Dan Gainor.
Rule of thumb - if you hold someone's head to your ear and you'll hear the ocean, that's a good sign that you should take what they say with a grain of salt.
The rule served me well in the case of Mr. Gainor.
#42 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Fri 10 May 2013 at 02:38 PM
Translation, damage done by letting the cat out of the bag, so lets not let the truth be told, even though its not the American way to coverup such issues, but that doesn't matter let us all join the coverup about the devastating effects of vaccines on millions of children in-spite all the mounting evidence accumulated by vaccine safety groups over the years, forget the rigged studies done by Dr.Poul Thorsen that the CDC constantly refers to as exonerating vaccines, nope none of this means a thing, lets just coverup the dangerous consequences of vaccination, after all this is how science based studies are done by the CDC, media outlets that are funded by the Big Pharma drug cartel TV advertising revenues!
#43 Posted by joejoe, CJR on Sun 12 May 2013 at 06:42 PM
Balanced? This is all propaganda. Autism is not coincidental. It rose higher and faster than Jack's beanstalk in the early 90's, the beginning of the increase in childhood vaccinations. No known cause or cure says the government and most doctors. Come on-we are not living in the Twilight zone. People don't have to rely on your newspapers and articles anymore. W can get more balanced viewpoints on the internet. You are fighting a losing battle. Parents will continue to fight against unsafe vaccines that can cause autism. We will support that never been done fully vaccinated vs fully unvaccinatged study of children that has been presented in Congress. Then we'll get back to you with a truly balanced scientific study that will blow is propaganda out of the water. We are never going away. The fight has just begun.
Maurine Meleck SC
grandmother to 1 in 31(vaccine e injured)
#44 Posted by Maurine Meleck, CJR on Sun 12 May 2013 at 07:45 PM
I'd like to see the safety studies for all of these vaccines. They are simply not there. Our doctors have no idea about the biology of human systems and are simply pushing product for pharma. Use your good sense. Tell me that mercury, aluminum and all the other toxins are good for a child. Maybe if pharma were held liable for vaccine injury, they would be motivated to have the safety studies.
#45 Posted by Candyce Estave, CJR on Mon 13 May 2013 at 12:05 AM
It's funny in how reviewing these comments, the crank unsubstantiated ones seems to be the pro ones and the rational scientific based ones are anit. You see peer reviewed means nothing if it is cooked. bought etc and all the vax company ones I have seen are quite frankly cooked though my doc was quoting them!
#46 Posted by J Gini, CJR on Mon 13 May 2013 at 04:08 AM
Candyce,
It is easy to see all the safety studies on vaccines. There is a site, pubmed.gov
If you go there and type in vaccine safety - over 11,000 hits
or to be more specfic, you could try
vaccine safety MMR
vaccine safety thimerosal
etc.
Once you have finished looking at a these hundreds of studies, from all around the world, come back and tell us how thre is no science studying vaccine safety.
#47 Posted by Broken Link, CJR on Mon 13 May 2013 at 01:23 PM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/cbs-anchor-we-are-getting-big-stories-wrong-over-and-over-again_722331.html
The media is reporting rising cases of autism, adhd, & other neurological disorders, allergy & asthma, and they report the CDC saying all this is a mystery. And so they miss the biggest man-made healthcare disaster in modern times.
Dr. Julie Gerberding -- "...my understanding is that the child has a -- what we think is a rare mitochondrial disorder. And children that have this disease, anything that stresses them creates a situation where their cells just can't make enough energy to keep their brains functioning normally. Now, we all know that vaccines can occasionally cause fevers in kids. So if a child was immunized, got a fever, had other complications from the vaccines. And if you're predisposed with the mitochondrial disorder, it can certainly set off some damage. Some of the symptoms can be symptoms that have characteristics of autism."
How rare is "rare?"
HRSA official, David Bowman -- "The government has never compensated, nor has it ever been ordered to compensate, any case based on a determination that autism was actually caused by vaccines. We have compensated cases in which children exhibited an encephalopathy, or general brain disease. Encephalopathy may be accompanied by a medical progression of an array of symptoms including autistic behavior, autism, or seizures.
"Some children who have been compensated for vaccine injuries may have shown signs of autism before the decision to compensate, or may ultimately end up with autism or autistic symptoms, but we do not track cases on this basis."
Note: a vaccine safety advocacy group like EBCALA finds an autism rate of 40% in vaccine injury settlements they are able to track themselves. Why is the government not tracking? And shouldn't they be able to tells us the rate of autism, ADHD, neurological disorders, allergy, auto-immunity in never-vaccinated poopulations at this point 15-20 years into this controversy, instead of still questioning whether the numbers of LDs and immune disorders are on the rise?
#48 Posted by J Bishop, CJR on Mon 13 May 2013 at 04:11 PM
According to the CDC, 1 in 6 children has a disability in this country...1 in 6! 1 in 50 children are diagnosed with Autism. Also, take into account all of the cases of MS, Fibromyalgia, and other autoimmune and neuromuscular diseases. Genetics is not to blame, unless you consider that some toxin is mutating genes, causing the development of Autism and related symptoms. Contrary to what "journalists" would have us believe, the whole country does not suffer from bad genetics. You can criticize Jenny McCarthy all you want, but bottom line is...her son has recovered. She was smart enough to know what she needed to do to help him. Wakefields' studies were allegedly flawed, and yet since he was "exposed" the rate of Autism has soared. Brainard should concern himself more with trying to expose why children are becoming disabled, rather than going on his own personal Salem witch hunt against Wakefield.
#49 Posted by AllergictoBS, CJR on Tue 14 May 2013 at 01:46 AM
Could we just stick to the subject of this blog...which is the now thoroughly and absolutely debunked and discredited theories that any vaccine, the preservatives in vaccines the adjuvants in vaccines, the combination of vaccines, the timing of vaccines are NOT implicated in the onset of autism.
I'm wondering why spammers who post their immense repository of off-topic and unscientific comments are not "moderated"?
Wakefield, the disgraced and discredited former medical doctor who at first claimed that he diagnosed a unique type of bowel dysfunction (autistic enterocolitis), and who claimed he discovered the measles vaccine strain within bowel bowel biopsies of the 12 children who were part of his Lancet study, was unable to offer up a defense at the GMC hearing that revoked his medical license in the U.K.
Where are all those bowel specimens and the histopathology reports for those bowel specimens...they all went mysteriously "missing"?
Where were all those parents of the 12 children who now claim undying support of Wakefield, during the GMC hearing to offer up testimony in support of Wakefield at the GMC hearing.
Were they afraid to run afoul of perjury laws, by their claims that they were NOT referred to the lawyer by a notorious anti-vaccine group (JABS) in the U.K., who was fixing to sue the MMR vaccine manufacturer... and who then referred them to Wakefield to become his study *subjects*?
We only know of Wakefield profound medical misconduct regarding his *study* by the excellent and impeccable journalistic integrity of Brian Deer, who has been awarded the U.K.s press award, by his peers...which is equivalent to a Pulitzer Prize for journalism.
It is high time we stop lionizes this disgraced and discredited former doctor and relegate him to the pile of disgraced researchers, who tried to game the system by publishing in falsified, non-reproducible *research*...where he belongs.
#50 Posted by lilady, CJR on Tue 14 May 2013 at 02:56 AM
Missing from my post above...a line listing of the 347 published studies from PubMed that disprove any link between MMR vaccines and the onset of autism:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?linkname=pubmed_pubmed&from_uid=19952979
#51 Posted by lilady, CJR on Tue 14 May 2013 at 03:03 AM
Tzvetan Todorov: "Scientism (the cult of science) does not eliminate the will but decides that since the results of science are valid for everyone, this will must be something shared, not individual. In practice, the individual must submit to the collectivity, which "knows" better than he does." The autonomy of the will is maintained, but it is the will of the group, not the person...scientism has flourished in two very different political contexts...The first variant of scientism was put into practice by totalitarian regimes."
The problem with lockstep group-think of course is that the source of doctrine for commercial science is grossly unreliable: A Guardian piece entitled ‘Breakthroughs’ in Medicine Are Often Nothing of the Sort , psychologist Marcus Munafò and geneticist Jonathan Flint summed it up well:
'In the years following media coverage of discoveries of a gene for depression, for intelligence, and so on, journals less prestigious than Science or Nature often publish reports that contradict the original claim, some even saying that the findings are quite compatible with chance.
…so many high-profile findings can be explained by chance alone that one genetic epidemiologist, John Ioannidis, has taken on the task of explaining, "Why most published research findings are false"4. Some of the reasons are due to the misuse of statistics and poor study design, but what Ioannidis and others now looking at this problem also point to are the social and political factors. These contribute to his claim that:
"The greater the financial and other interests and prejudices in a scientific field, the less likely the research findings are to be true. The hotter a scientific field (with more scientific teams involved), the less likely the research findings are to be true."'
#52 Posted by Agnostic science, CJR on Tue 14 May 2013 at 02:20 PM
Maurine Meleck wrote: “W[e] can get more balanced viewpoints on the internet.”
Well, you see, that’s exactly the problem. People like Meleck, who lack any meaningful scientific training and thus any real ability to evaluate the available evidence, are left to just pick and choose from the internet. Can you say “confirmation bias?”
Meleck noted that the apparent prevalence of ASD increased with some factor (the number of antigens, injections, or different vaccines?) that also tracked with, for example, exposure to organic foods.
http://imgur.com/1WZ6h
The real problem, though, is what Meleck indicated with this statement: “We are never going away. The fight has just begun.” No matter what the evidence, Meleck will never be convinced that she is wrong. That obviously takes her argument outside the bounds of science, and into full-on wackiness. As they have clearly indicated, Meleck and her fellow travelers want to destroy a critical public health initiative because, for reasons that turned out to be false, they wrongly believed that vaccines were responsible for an "epidemic of autism," and--despite the abundant evidence to the contrary (and due to their clear inability to understand such evidence)--they prefer to cling to their clearly-mistaken beliefs--because, I suppose, cognitive dissonance is thoroughly unpleasant (just ask the Chicago-area believers who were awaiting the end of the world in 1954).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
#53 Posted by nd, CJR on Tue 14 May 2013 at 08:00 PM
No only does Meleck not have any knowledge about autism, in spite of my attempts to educate her on other science blogs, she is firmly in the camp of a notorious anti-vaccine, anti-science organization. Here is J.B. Handley, "bragging" about the activities of the anti-vaccine, anti-science groupies:
http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/03/tinderbox-us-vaccine-fears-up-700-in-7-years.html
Tinderbox: U.S. Vaccine Fears up 700% in 7 years
By J.B. Handley
"With less than a half-dozen full-time activists, annual budgets of six figures or less, and umpteen thousand courageous, undaunted, and selfless volunteer parents, our community, held together with duct tape and bailing wire, is in the early to middle stages of bringing the U.S. vaccine program to its knees..."
#54 Posted by lilady, CJR on Wed 15 May 2013 at 11:37 AM
Wakefield is an arse. He was paid over half a million by a lawyer to specifically find a link between the vaccine and autism (clue #1 that his data is untrustworthy); he then performed invasive and ILLEGAL tests on children (clue #2), before altering his results (people compared the recorded results with those he published; complete 180 - clue #3), and then telling everyone "the vaccine will give your kid Autism; if you want to be safe, you should use this kind of vaccine instead - which I have conveniently just created and put on the market" (clue #4 - the fact that his "findings" will mean his product brings in more money for him).
Yes, more kids these days are being diagnosed with Autism. There are two very obvious reasons: 1. We are a hell of a lot better at diagnosing it than we used to be (no longer just calling it "Behavioural problems")
2. The range of symptoms that can be counted as Autism symptoms had more than doubled. These days, they say EVERYONE is autistic in some way, the only difference between everyone is how autistic they are - ie, where on the spectrum they are.
If you become much better at diagnosing something, and at the same time widen the criteria for said condition to the point where you say that EVERYONE has it, you're going to find the number of diagnosed cases increase dramatically. This applies to any illness, disease, etc - you get better at diagnosing it AND widen the criteria for a diagnosis, the incidents of diagnosed conditions will increase.
#55 Posted by Lauren, CJR on Wed 15 May 2013 at 02:37 PM
There is an excellent response and analysis to Brainard's poorly researched article in today's Age of Autism site. As soon as read derogatory language and character smears in medical writings, I realize i dealing with a person whose is religion is determinist, reductionist scientism. This is clearly the case in Brainard's essay, which should be ignored and tossed in the dust bin of bad journalism. I am rather disappointed that CJR would approve such subjective piece of writing.
For a rebuttal of this article see:
http://www.ageofautism.com/2013/05/columbia-journalism-review-casts-eye-on-vaccine-safety-writers.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ageofautism+%28AGE+OF+AUTISM%29
#56 Posted by Richard Gale, CJR on Wed 15 May 2013 at 08:59 PM
"There is an excellent response and analysis to Brainard's poorly researched article in today's Age of Autism site."
That's ridiculous Richard Gale.
Dachel and her merry bunch of crank bloggers at AoA are anti-vaccine and anti-science to the core:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Age_of_Autism
Here, a few more of the hundreds of studies about the safety of vaccine and the lack of association between vaccines and the onset of autism:
http://www2.aap.org/immunization/families/faq/vaccinestudies.pdf
#57 Posted by lilady, CJR on Wed 15 May 2013 at 10:57 PM
My daughter reacted to the criminal hep-B vax at birth with four days and nights of endless, inconsolable screaming, vaccine-induced encephalitis. She reacted to the DTaP booster at 18 months by losing her only two painfully-acquired words, uh for up and uff for dog, and didn't say another word until 34 months, but had been diagnosed with autism at 20 months. Cause and effect, a no-brainer, innumerable thousands just like her. Only those with money on the table (and there are billions on the table), continue to deny the obvious.
#58 Posted by cia parker, CJR on Thu 16 May 2013 at 11:06 AM
@ CIA Parker: Are you still claiming that your child experienced encephalitis/ encephalopathy following the hepatitis B vaccine, CIA?
Who diagnosed your child's vaccine-induced-encephalitis, CIA?
What treatment did your undergo in a pediatric ICU for her encephalitis?
http://www.idsociety.org/uploadedFiles/IDSA/Guidelines-Patient_Care/PDF_Library/Encephalitis.pdf
Sorry CIA, your anecdotal tale of woe is me, didn't pass the smell test years ago when you first *published* your n=1 case study...and it doesn't now.
#59 Posted by lilady, CJR on Thu 16 May 2013 at 11:22 AM
Very disappointing, CJR,
The crux of the debate is whether or not vaccines are safe enough that the know adverse effects are outweighed by the known benefits. There is ample evidence to demonstrate that vaccines can cause irreparable brain damage.
The first place to look is on the FDA package inserts. The Merck DtAp shot contains the caveat that the Institute of Medicine (IOM) has determined that the pertussis shot causes acute encephalopathy. That's just one shot. Read each warning label carefully and you will better understand why parents are concerned.
Another irrefutable demonstration of the dangers of vaccines is the existence of the Vaccine Injury Compensation Fund. The vaccine makers whine that without the liability of the shots off loaded, they would be sued into oblivion. In other words, vaccines are so safe, they must be exempted from tort actions. Orwellian, Catch 22, call it what you will- but reasonable, informed adults will ask the question- if the shots are safe, why must they be the only area of medicine protected from torts? Why, indeed. Thoughtful people surmise that the VICP afforded liability protection is precisely the reason that the vaccine schedule has expanded so rapidly.
Reasoning people also understand that vaccines are made by companies such as Merck- think Avandia, 40,000 murdered, $1 billion criminal fine, falsified research planted in medical journals... that Merck. Trust them because.... they were so forthcoming with the Avandia story? No, they were sued into submission, something the VICP prevents with vaccines.
The vaccine injury denialists are indeed losing the hearts and minds of the medical consuming public. They want to believe it is because the dangers of infectious diseases have passed from public consciousness, and that may be a part of the reason. The real explanation is that is now, virtually every family exposed to the US vaccine schedule knows someone who took a kid in for a well baby visit and came out with a sick child. Eyewitness accounts of vaccine damage. Doctors have witnessed it, scientists, lawyers, parents, legislators- everyone. The vaccine injury denialists are Baghdad Bobs of the medical world.
The Wakefield story is not fairly told until you remind your readers that Brian Deer is a blagging, lying, formerly Murdoch employed Fleet Streeter who filed the original complaint with the GMC and proceeded to cover the story he created. Wakefield's boss, Professor Walker-Smith, "the Father of Pediatric Gastroenterology"- also lost his medical license. It was re-instated by England's High Court, which found the GMC acted in an egregious and dubious manner throughout the Fitness to Practice proceedings. Journal Pediatrics November 2012 comes out with a 200 page supplement describing the gut issues attending ASD- vindicating Wakefield's early case series describing....gut issues with ASD kids. Wake Forest University last month publishes that ASD is linked with Inflammatory Bowel Disease, precisely as described by...Wakefield, more than a decade ago.
SO CJR- good luck with your new editorial stance of endorsing censorship. Good luck hanging out with your new buddy, Brian Deer. You are cut from the same cloth, sadly. It wasn't always thus.
#60 Posted by Ottoschnaut, CJR on Thu 16 May 2013 at 03:56 PM
PS, CJR-
Depending on Brian Deer is a sticky wicket. The quintessential Brian Deer is depicted in the notorious video of him sneering at the picture of a sick child held up by the parent. Deer is saying in the video, "That child doesn't have bowel disease!" The child at that time did not have bowel disease- the child's bowel had been surgically removed because of incurable bowel disease.
Deer denies to this minute that ASD is associated with bowel disease. Another reason that thoughtful parents would question is, and now CJR's, objectivity and veracity.
#61 Posted by Ottoschnaut, CJR on Thu 16 May 2013 at 04:46 PM
Gee Ottoschnaut, who would have thought that you, a denizen of Age of Autism, would come here to libel Brian Deer, while heaping praise upon the disgraced, discredited former medical doctor Andrew Wakefield?
How about providing the links to those articles that you claim support Wakefield's thoroughly debunked "MMR vaccine-induced autistic enterocolitis" theory?
How many Pulitzer Prize awards has Age of Autism's Dan Olmsted received? (Brian Deer has been honored by his peers with two press awards).
Why didn't Wakefield follow through with his three lawsuits instituted in the U.K. against Brian Deer?
Why did Wakefield beg the judge in the U.K. to discontinue a defamation suit against Mr. Deer...and why did the judge in a scathing opinion, order Wakefield to pay all of Mr. Deer's legal costs?
You've got your colossal nerve coming here, with your libelous, defamatory statements made against Mr. Deer and the Columbia Journalism Review and Mr. Brainard.
#62 Posted by lilady, CJR on Thu 16 May 2013 at 04:53 PM
You guys could have picked a picture of Andrew Wakefield that didn't look like a mug shot. Not that I have any particular desire to see Andrew Wakefield in any form, but it is a bit of an obvious juxtoposition to show Brian Deer looking calm and confident and Andrew Wakefield like, well, a mug shot.
Thankfully, for the most part journalists have stopped giving the vaccine/autism groups opportunities to provide false balance to articles.
A few responses to the above comments:
" My doctor has never given me a declaration that vaccines are always safe for all kids. "
Your doctor will not give you a declaration that *anything* is always safe.
Ask your doctor for a declaration that it is always safe to *not* vaccinate. Ask for it to be signed. Ask him/her to accept liability should your child get sick and injured or die from a vaccine preventable disease. If you can find a doctor who would sign that (it would take some work), run, don't walk to find another doctor.
"Note: a vaccine safety advocacy group like EBCALA finds an autism rate of 40% in vaccine injury settlements they are able to track themselves."
Really? (rhetorical question there--it isn't). EBCALA tried to find a higher prevalence of autism in the court records and failed.
Also, the words "excellent" and "the age of autism site" should never be used together. It is a crank website run by a failed hack of a former journalist who has no connection to the autism community. Groups like that are keeping the vaccine-autism myth alive, not journalists today.
#63 Posted by MC, CJR on Thu 16 May 2013 at 07:38 PM
Dr. Offit opines differently. He suggests that the vaccine opposition movement began with a WDSU TV broadcast back in the 1990's (before 1998) about pertussis. Wakefield is an unfortunate road kill not relevant to what is really happening.
The reason it won't go away is simple. Kids keep turning up brain damaged after well baby visits. Everyone reading these words knows this is true.
Dr. Boyle, in 2000, was at NIH saying exactly the same thing today as she was sying back then about vaccine brain damage. Except now she's at CDC, or vice versa. She don't know if the increase is real or not; it might be genetics; vaccines are not to blame; we have no other ideas. In the mean time, on her watch, either identification has gotten 10000% better, or many more kids are sick. Her job is to know. She has spent a billion dollars and she has figured out nothing. Susan- you should step aside.
To put it another way:he US Government is here to help with 65 shots for my kid, starting at birth, and a career bureaucrat is in charge. And, by the way, in the Land of the Free, these shots are mandatory and you can't sue the maker if your kid dies with the needle still jammed in his arm from the shot.
The FDA warning labels are as far as the discussion needs to go as to possibility of vaccine induced brain damage. The gut issues are also documented and apparent (Wakefield was right and too early for his own good- IBD is a feature of ASD).
On the core issue of this article- the legitimacy of public discussion of vaccine induced brain damage- 20 years ago, it was taboo to discuss breast cancer. The folks facing the condition did not benefit from that situation. Vaccine induced brain is real, it happens. It should not be kept in the dark. Curtailing public discourse is a slippery slope. If you use the power of the Fourth Estate to tilt the debate one way or another, and you do use that power to alter or shape the debate- well, I don't know- I thought it was CJR's brief to grapple with issues like this?
#64 Posted by Ottoschnaut, CJR on Thu 16 May 2013 at 10:38 PM
Ottoschnaut: We're still waiting for you to link to those studies that you claim support Wakefield's *theory* of "MMR vaccine-induced autistic enterocolitis".
Wakefield through his "Autism Media Channel" and AoA, in a spectacular display of hubris, have produced a YouTube video where he is pleading for a public debate.
People in the U.K., rightfully so, have accused him of dissuading parents from having their children immunized against measles which has resulted in a huge outbreak of measles in Wales (more than 1,200 cases)…and still climbing:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-22350001
Schnaut, How many more studies about Wakefield’s thoroughly debunked “theory” of measles-vaccine-causing-autism would you need, beyond the 342 published studies listed here on PubMed?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?linkname=pubmed_pubmed&from_uid=19952979
Have you seen that video produced by Wakefield’s company, where he purportedly wants to defend himself…by framing his arguments into “a debate”? I have.
More at issue here, is whether we should allow this discredited former doctor any more publicity and permit him to run a Gish Gallop in a public debate. Do we debate neo-nazis, AIDS denialists or other quacks to give them publicity, legitimacy or the ability to claim that there is still “a debate”?
There…is…no…debate…period
#65 Posted by lilady, CJR on Thu 16 May 2013 at 11:11 PM
So, hundreds of people, mostly children, are getting sick in the UK and Andrew Wakefield, formerly a medical professional, steps forward to defend his own reputation which was harmed by his own actions? The children are his vehicle to publicity?
Gutless. Coward.
#66 Posted by MC, CJR on Fri 17 May 2013 at 09:37 AM
Paul Offit opines that vaccine opposition began hundreds of years ago with the invention of vaccines. He is also quite clear that Andy Wakefield shoulders a great deal of blame for propagating a false claim about vaccines and autism.
So, if you are going to use him as your authority, at least represent his views correctly.
Dr.Boyle's name is not Susan.
Clearly, just from the comments here "everyone reading this" does not agree with you. Clearly false statements don't help you make your point. Quite the opposite.
The shots are not mandatory. Hence the discussion of under vaccinated and unvaccinated kids in the comments above.
#67 Posted by MC, CJR on Fri 17 May 2013 at 09:46 AM
EBCALA did not find a 40% autism "rate" in vaccine injury settlements. The paper you refer to was not a study by any stretch of the imagination, EBCALA says it was not a study, and its researchers admit the paper was limited by an inability to determine which children did indeed have autism.
#68 Posted by AutismNewsBeat, CJR on Fri 17 May 2013 at 11:24 AM
@ AutismNewsBeat: Right you are about the EBCALA *non-study*. You, Sullivan and Orac blogged about that *non-study*....when all the anti-vaccine blogs (AoA and others), were touting it as the be-all and end-all scientific *study*, to *prove* that the VICP had "secretly" compensated children for vaccine-associated autism injuries:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/05/24/anti-vaccine-warriors-vs-research-ethics/
#69 Posted by lilady, CJR on Fri 17 May 2013 at 01:18 PM
Blaming Wakefield for vaccine hesitancy and outright suspicion of vaccines is kind of 1990's, don't you think? Also has a slight reek of desperation. The medical establishment has thoroughly debunked him- why would a reasonable family consider the views of a person stripped of his medical license when attempting to make an informed choice about vaccines? However- if one really wants to dredge up ancient history- then a discussion of the pre-Wakefield reports of MMR causing meningitis and ASD is relevant. Those official adverse effects reports started coming in right around 1988, filed by GPs in the UK who were using the newly introduced Urrabe strain MMR shot. David Salisbury has never had to explain why he buried those early reports. So continuing to dance on Wakefield's professional grave as an explanation for vaccine hesitancy has it's drawbacks, in that it calls attention to the utter malfeasance of the vaccine authorities in that time frame. The adverse effects reports are filed, they are a matter of the public record, they were filed by the docs who gave the shots, and they precede Wakefield, and even the internet for that matter, by a good 8-10 years.
The "vaccines cause brain damage" story just won't go away, not because of old news, but because of current events. For example- last month, major media outlets reported that the flu shot Pandemerix increases the risk of narcolepsy by 14 times in children. Over 1000 cases of narcolepsy are directly attributed to Pandemerix use in the 2009-2010 flu season. Well kid gets a shot, gets brain damage. Unfortunately- it happened, it is newsworthy. Events like that drive vaccine hesitancy in the here and now. Long ago retracted research articles- not so much.
The Pandemerix story did mention Wakefield in a tangential, but important, manner. Reuters reports that the scientists who connected the Pandemerix vaccine to irreversible brain damage were reluctant to make their findings public due to a fear of being "Wakefielded." So a new line of thought emerges- to go public with accurate data about vaccines causing brain damage can be a career ending move. CJR now advocates protecting and coddling this confluence of government policy and corporate interests by softening the press treatment. Hell, why not? What could possibly go wrong?
The press is losing relevancy. Every family in the US knows someone who has been injured by the vaccine schedule. No amount of spin can bury that fact, especially in today's hyper connected non traditional media environment. Clamping down on people who tell the truth about vaccine injury- "Wakefielding" them- is a step in the wrong direction.
#70 Posted by Ottoschnaut, CJR on Fri 17 May 2013 at 01:58 PM
Another example of why the news story- vaccines cause brain damage- keeps cropping up:
"across the country, mandatory influenza vaccination policies have cropped up, particularly in healthcare facilities,1 precisely because not everyone wants the vaccination, and compulsion appears the only way to achieve high vaccination rates.2 Closer examination of influenza vaccine policies shows that although proponents employ the rhetoric of science, the studies underlying the policy are often of low quality, and do not substantiate officials’ claims. The vaccine might be less beneficial and less safe than has been claimed, and the threat of influenza appears overstated."
Who, you ask?
http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f3037
Like watching wolves eating their own young!
#71 Posted by ottoschnaut, CJR on Fri 17 May 2013 at 04:40 PM
Just go away Schnaut. You and your pals at AoA have supported Wakefield's bogus theories and have fund raised for him through various fundraisers, while he and his clan live in the lap of luxury in Austin Texas, spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt to scare parents away from vaccines which protect children from serious, sometimes deadly V-P-Ds.
http://www.texasobserver.org/autism-inc-the-discredited-science-shady-treatments-and-rising-profits-behind-alternative-autism-treatments/
BTW, where are those links to numerous studies that you claim support Andy's bogus theory of *MMR vaccine-induced autistic enterocolitis"? We're still waiting for you to cough up those links/studies
Your support of this disgraced and discredited former medical doctor is an abomination.
#72 Posted by lilady, CJR on Fri 17 May 2013 at 07:13 PM
@CJR-
Blaming a discredited, license revoked Wakefield, and his 15 year old retracted research report, for the current situation of widespread vaccine hesitancy and suspicion is wishful thinking. Dr . Offit ascribes the genesis of the "vaccine scare" to a local Washington, DC news reporter who he says misreported the facts on the pertussis shot. Whatever. Neither explanation holds up to objective scrutiny by reasonable families attempting to ascertain the risk/reward ratio of the CDC mandated vaccine schedule in the US. Vaccine suspicion is driven by current events. For example, the media reports of flu shot Pandemerix brain damaging over 1000 children in the 2009-2010 flu season.
A better, more current explanation for vaccine suspicion can be found in the May 2013 British Medical Journal article on flu vaccination,
http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f3037 BMJ reports that CDC systematically and deliberately lies to the American public to promote sales of ineffective and unsafe vaccine products. The article describes brain damage caused by the flu shot- 1/110 children receiving the shot are stricken with febrile seizures. The BMJ singles out Dr. Nancy Snyderman of NBC News as a medical doctor who misinforms her audience about the benefits and risks of the flu shot. The BMJ article singles out Dr. Fauci at CDC as a scientist who has misrepresented the safety and efficacy of vaccines.
Nothing in the BMJ article mentions Wakefield.
Your editorial policy advocating choking off discussion of vaccine induced brain injury is a spectacular, public fail, see the BMJ article linked above. Reasonable people will read the BMJ article and conclude that CJR got the story exactly wrong. Either CJR was played like a cheap trick- or, CJR is colluding with CDC to mislead the American public, as detailed in the BMJ article. Which is it? Are you ignorant and lazy, or simply malevolent?
The "vaccines causes brain damage" story won't go away because every family in America knows someone who took a well child in for a doctor visit and the child was brain damaged by the pediatric shots. It is time to stop ignoring, and cowering, from this unfortunate set of facts. The situation won't improve until institutions like CJR acknowledge the legitimacy of vaccine induced brain damage and start reporting on it in an objective, searching, and serious manner.
#73 Posted by Ottoschnaut, CJR on Sat 18 May 2013 at 05:17 PM
And all those studies that you claim prove that Wakefield's *theory* of MMR-Vaccine-Induced Autistic Enterocolitis", Schnaut?
Where are those studies, that you referred to, up thread?
You're just another lackey from AoA, who sucks up to Olmsted and your overlords at AoA. You're not on AoA now Schnaut...put up or shut up.
#74 Posted by lilady, CJR on Sat 18 May 2013 at 07:04 PM
@ CJR-
"Sticking with The Truth" Brainard. Brainard has a problem, and so does CJR. The problem is same one that Nancy "Just Get Your Damn Flu Shot" Synderman has, as well as Dr Anthony Fauci.
The problem is that reasonable families seeking objective, reliable data to assess the risk/reward ratio of CDC mandated vaccine schedule will read the following article:
http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f3037
The British Medical Journal has just called out by name the CDC as a collection of incompetent, willful, deliberate liars, who knowingly rely on fixed, inaccurate, outdated medical studies to drive vaccine sales.
The "vaccines cause brain injury" story that CJR seeks to sweep under the rug won't just go away. Every family in the United States knows a family that took a well kid into a routine well baby and came out with a sick child. Since the vaccines are demonstrated to cause brain damage, it is time to legitimize the concept of vaccine induced brain injury and deal with it medical and societal terms. That means safe shots, ones that minimize adverse effects, and proper medical and rehabilitative programs for vaccine injured families.
#75 Posted by Ottoschnaut, CJR on Sat 18 May 2013 at 10:23 PM
And, those many studies that you claimed up thread that confirmed Wakefield's bogus false theory of "MMR Vaccine-Induced Autistic Enterocolitis", Schnaut?
Surely, you could pick one study from the 345 studies listed on PubMed, to argue the point that Wakefield's study findings are correct, eh?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?linkname=pubmed_pubmed&from_uid=19952979
#76 Posted by lilady, CJR on Sat 18 May 2013 at 11:27 PM
@ CJR:
Brainard is now a complete laughing stock. The highly regarded British Medical Journal article Marketing Disease Marketing Vaccines describes the culture of absolute total corruption extant at CDC. Brainard got the story so exactly wrong it almost seems a deliberate. The most likely explanation is that the article was planted to sway public opinion prior to next week's jurisdictional hearing in Travis County, Texas, in the matter of Wakefield v BMJ, Godlee, Deer, et al.
The BMJ article clearly exposes Nancy "Just Get Your Flu Shot" Snyderman as a bubble headed, teleprompter reading bimbo who is as credulous as Brainard when it comes to sucking up to vaccine injury denialists. Dr. Anthony Fauci is called out by name as a mean, low liar. BMJ explains how CDC routinely lies to hype vaccine sales, despite clear, irrefutable evidence that 1/110 kids suffer brain damage from the shots.
http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f3037
The exact nature of the relationship between Brainard and Brian "Those Kids Don't Have Bowel Disease" Deer is unclear. Probably there was some form of pay to play, as that is a routine feature of the culture of pervasive public corruption described in the BMJ article.
Deer is said by some to have acted in a "Deepthroat" (Watergate) style role with regards to his relationship with the boyish, young Brainard. Whatever the sordid details of their personal interactions, it is an undeniable fact the similarity of their names is probably just a coincidence. No reliable evidence has yet surfaced suggesting Brainard actually changed his name to please his new BFF.
The "vaccines cause brain damage" story stays in the news because every family is the US knows of a child who went in for a well bay visit and came out sick. It is time to acknowledge and legitimize the concept of vaccine induced brain injury and deal with it from a medical and societal point of view.
#77 Posted by Ottoschnaut, CJR on Sun 19 May 2013 at 10:37 AM
Where are those published studies that you claim support Wakefield's bogus study findings of MMR Vaccine-Induced Autistic Enterocolitis", Schnaut?
BTW, Schnaut, why don't you just link to the three scurrilous blogs by Dachel and Olmsted that on are the AoA blog, that libel and defame Mr. Deer and Mr. Brainard?
Better still, why doesn't Dan Olmsted come here to post...I'm getting tired of dealing with you. Tell Olmsted I'm waiting for him. Thanks.
#78 Posted by lilady, CJR on Sun 19 May 2013 at 04:10 PM
Dan was last seen entering the Clinic for Special Fabricators. Don't wait too long.
#79 Posted by Expelled 2.0, CJR on Mon 20 May 2013 at 05:01 PM
@ Expelled 2.0:
Dan is preparing for his presentation at the Autism One Conference. He and the other "investigative journalists" at AoA, have been busy hunting down the "Kanner Kids". (*Everyone knows that autism didn't exist, prior to Leo Kanner describing children who had specific autistic-like behaviors*)
http://www.autismone.org/content/age-autism-year-review-and-search-kanner-kids
"Age of Autism: Year in Review and the Search For the Kanner Kids
Mark, Kim, and Dan will review the year, and then they will debut a new 8-minute video How Mercury Triggered the Age of Autism. We’ll talk with Teresa Conrick about her discovery of the first-born child with an autism diagnosis and the hunt for the Kanner 11."
#80 Posted by lilady, CJR on Tue 21 May 2013 at 08:26 AM
Curtis is leaving out the fact, that the IOM was ordered not! to find causation. It was in their contract. Spokesperson for the CDC admitted it, when asked by Byron Child Magazine to see the contract between the CDC and the IOM. CDC's Curtis Allen said, it's only available in heavily redacted or blacked out format.
You only black out, what you are trying to hide.
I wrote this for a Knight Science journalist Miss Blum.
In defense of a Hero.
I would expect someone at MIT, would do her own research. It is, very very apparent. That ,you did not bother. Autism Speaks founder, Bob Wrights grandson was taken to Dr. Kriggsman Ped. Gastro Dr. Suffering was great, before the visit. As per words, from the Founders daughter Katie Wright.
He was treated, with a protocol for inflammatory bowel disease.
" [Just like Dr. Wakefield said, was the problem in these children ]"
Katie's words were, a child that was screaming in pain 23 hours out of the day began getting better almost immediately. And within weeks, he was screaming 90% less and almost free of pain.
Also, after chelation Bob Wright grandson begins to regain his speech.
Not verbatim but close. Question to Bob Wright, why was there not a protocols put in place for all the other children suffering like his grandson. Christian?
Instead he watched, as the US and UK media and the CDC and also the UK & US governments destroyed a real Hero.
The GMC, Stripping him of his license to practice medicine. All was done, to keep in tact all their Golden Retirement Parachutes. Parachutes, that were steeply invested in GSK and Merck stocks. GSK and Merck, the two makers of the MMR. One would be hard pressed, not to be able to find a connection between Brian Deer and media mogul Murdochs son. It was reported, that young Murdoch had to release the reins to GSK after the scandal.
Miss Blum,do you remember the Murdoch scandal? Do you think, if a DR. finds a product that GSK makes is in-bedding itself in the children's Guts. That Dr., would not be destroyed? Do you think, that Murdoch would sit back and let his profits be obliterated? GSK stocks, would be reduced to junk status (and should be) almost over night. That is, if GSK had to pay for all the damage that has been done to this worlds children. Merck stocks, would soon follow.
If you think destroying a researcher or Dr. is far fetched, look up Merck had a hit list for anyone who was talking against their product Vioxx.
They brought out internal memo's in court that said "we will discredit some, other's we may have to seek them out and destroy them where they live"
They also bragged about how they had academia by the throat, meaning;
If they did not see things their way, they would cut their funding.
That's your science, bribes mixed with threats to destroy careers of good honest Dr's and researchers.
What happened to the integrity of the NIH for this is what is supposed to be followed. This Quote is written, out side at the NIH campus. If they had followed Einsteins Quote, there would not have been an Autism epidemic.
The right to search for truth implies also a duty; one must not conceal any part of what one has recognized to be true. - Albert Einstein
This is when they fist found out they may have poisoned an entire generation of American children. They CDC FDA IOM AAP were at a meeting discussing
the great amount of Mercury given through children's vaccines to the children they were responsible for.
The Simpson wood meeting, notice they were not worried about the damage done to our children. They were however very worried they would be buried in court against an American child. With the current science, that was available.
This excerpt, is from those minutes;
Dr. Brent page 22
#81 Posted by Joe, CJR on Mon 27 May 2013 at 03:21 PM
Continued from previous. In defense, of a real American Hero. Born, in the UK
Dr. Brent page 229
If an allegation was made that a child's neurobehavioral findings were caused by Thimerosal containing vaccines, you could readily find a junk scientist who would support the claim with "a reasonable degree of certainty". But you will not find a scientist with any integrity who would say the reverse with the data that is available. And that is true. So we are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits if they were initiated and I am concerned."
keep in mind, he was saying that the science would bury them a court of law.
Yet look what they did, they emerged from that meeting willing to deceive
the American public. Note, that the only person there that day that had any integrity was Dr. Weil the rest were there that day to discuss how to make this nightmare of incompetence go away.
This meeting went so bad, they stripped out all that was said that was bad.
Thus the following letter was sent to their own committee, the committee they decided to deceive.
Dear Committee members,
SAFE MIND's recently obtained the transcribed minutes to the Simpsonwood meeting held June 7-8, 2000 in Norcross, Georgia where the finding of the Vaccine Safety Datalink analysis of Thimerosal containing vaccines and neurodevelopmental outcomes were reviewed by a panel of experts. There were a number of additional findings not previously reported that were contained in this document that I would like to share with the committee.
So how does a committee, that was being told we tried to deceive you. That is, till someone obtained the minutes. Ever trust their members, who were willing to hide the fact our American most precious resource was put in harms way.
It's called desperation, to not see the destruction of all their Golden Retirement Parachutes. For most are heavily vested in to the P--Harma. and P---Harma is the maker of the dangerous vaccines.
Continued.
#82 Posted by Joe, CJR on Mon 27 May 2013 at 03:29 PM
Back to the Hero, that while others sold their soul and committed treason. When faced with, tell the truth and lose your Job Country and Family or tell
a lie. He Dr. Wakefield,had chosen to stand strong and defend the worlds children.
Mark my words, Dr. Wakefield will go down in history as a great man. Whose
had integrity, and guts.
The man had integrity, unlike another that was put in the same position the valley of decision. Dr. Neil Halsey,he started out defending the children.
And then when confronted, with the price that Dr. Wakefield had paid he sold them out by throwing them head fist under the bus.
One had Integrity, one was weak. One tried to save children, one dammed them to suffering for a lifetime.
Almost everybody, that went after Dr. Wakefield was on the board of GSK or had ties to someone on the board. It's a fact, that rich and powerful people do not like to lose money. EVER! And that, pared with a side of Arrogance and the need to be right. And a lot of Greed. No matter what, the science says.
That behavior, has led to the health disaster that we are now seeing in the Autistic inflammatory bowel diseased children.
The UK government, was told by GSK if we put 3 live viruses in 1 there will be children harmed. The UK Governments reply,"we will pay, the parents off"
I guess, they forgot their own words. Or maybe, the numbers are way to high to pay for all the damage. That's been done.
Here's a hint, why they said if we put 3 in 1 there will be children harmed.
On the single dose, package insert of Measles, Mumps, and Rubella, it states to not give within 3 weeks to a month of another live virus. Seems back then, someone had a little sense. Greed has since took over, for every vaccine put in the children's schedule. Represents, a cool 1 billion dollars profit from the tax payers.
Their words were, to not give more than one and keep them within 3 weeks to a month apart.
Do you think, it could be that they were afraid that one of the viruses might just set up residence in the body? It appears it did, because Wake forest University found out of 82 children with Autism, 70 were found to be proof positive for vaccine strain measles in their Guts.
The lead author said, " not one was wild strain "
The work has gone on to reveal, at a sub molecular level using new technology
they have found the bowel disease.
Miss Blum, in the future. I suggest that before you write, you investigate your subject.
Especially, when it involves our children that are suffering daily with an easily preventable. [ vaccine induced damage].
Miss Blum, while your busy spreading misinformationAKA government propaganda. The children, and their family's are suffering greatly.
If this example of junk journalism, is the future of Journalism.
We in the US. are all doomed.
#83 Posted by Joe, CJR on Mon 27 May 2013 at 03:42 PM
Matt Isles you should know your subject, before opening you mouth. FYI Denmark reported the Autism was steadily declining. While the CDC hired
Poul Thorsen that lied and reported just the opposite. Anyway, here is the
rest of your story.
In case you want to declare that Thimerosal was safe, that ship has already sailed. When the researcher from Denmark, that gave the CDC epidemiology studies proving Thimerosal's safety. Was indicted here in the US.
On thirteen counts of wire fraud, and nine counts of money laundering.
Here is a hint, it was a payoff ! and not theft. The indictment says, that he Poul was working with others known and unknown by this grand jury. To defraud the American people.
That pared with the fact, they the CDC has paid him Poul in Denmark on 18 studies. Since his indictment. To keep him out of the US. in order to keep
them from going to prison.
Why would the CDC pay someone who allegedly stole from them? for eighteen studies. Hush, monies
Shouldn't those studies, be considered fraudulent?
It also states, what he bought with the money. 2 cars a Harley motorcycle, and a house next to his buddies in crime the CDC. And last, he Poul wired himself almost one million dollars. In cold hard, blood stained cash.
He was pouring out, fake epidemiology studies on Thimerosal safety, and the MMR. And the Media, was eating it up! Where is the Media now he's been indicted, to embarrassed or just corrupt to report the truth?
Weeks before the IOM meeting was held, the CDC is in a FOIA email saying;
"the IOM meeting is within weeks, we have searched frantically and cannot find anything here we are going to have to go elsewhere and get us a study"
They chose Denmark. Denmark children got 75% less Mercury than US.children. The CDC did not care. That, that comparison was like comparing Apples to jet planes. They knew no one would question them, from the Simpson wood meeting.
"we can move the numbers around anyway we want, look justified in doing so and get any results we want" That's the CDC's, words own on how they would handle this nightmare.
Dr. Weil said that day,in reply to how they planned to handle it." you can play with the numbers all you want, they are linear and statistically significant for the outcomes" Meaning, ADD ADHD Speech Delay and Autism. He then said, "much like we found in" He then mentioned, other places where people were mercury poisoned.
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#84 Posted by Joe, CJR on Mon 27 May 2013 at 05:31 PM
From the Simpson wood meeting, that was held in secret away from the prying eyes of the public.
The CDC's own words; "we can move the numbers around anyway we want, look justified in doing so and get any results we want" That's the CDC's, own words on how they would handle this nightmare.
Cherry picking the data,and creating needed science out of thin air and " viola " a known IQ lowering neural toxic mercury compound that was injected into our children's bodies.(going to straight the brains). Was now, by magic & slight of hand. A new, friendlier gentle kind of mercury.
That's was his words, according to his interview with First Coast News. When the Reporter said, after the IOM BS report that Vaccines was not the cause of Autism.
"are you saying, it's ok to put Mercury in our young babies" He looked stunned, before the lies started pouring out like silk.
"this was a friendlier, gentle kind of Mercury" and besides we know it does not cross the BBB" Oh really, Dr Slikker from the FDA in the 90's said when talking about Thimerosal it not only crosses the BBB but the placental barrier also.
Dr Burbacher in 2004, NIH paid study revealed it not only crosses the BBB he the lead author of the study said;" it not only does it, it does it easier than does the fish" AKA Methyl-Mercury.
The MSDS The Manufacturers words about Thimerosal "it is accumulative in the body,it targets the organs of the body"
" in-particular the brain and the lining around the brain " You cannot target the Brain and the lining around the brain without first entering the brain. It appears that Dr. Cochi was either badly misinformed. Or, just flat out lying.
Their backs were against the wall, they needed something. anything! proving they did not poison an entire generation of American children. With,the very program that was supposed to protect them.
That's why when they contacted Poul they said ;
" we are only interested in what will exonerate the CDC and vaccines"
Poul gave them exactly what they paid for, studies proving putting a IQ lowering neural toxic compound was actually good for the children.
Amazing, they poisoned an entire generation of American children and got away with it. Being fare, it was by an incompetent accident of not being able to do simple ninth grade math that had led to the poisoning of our own American children.
#85 Posted by Joe, CJR on Mon 27 May 2013 at 06:08 PM
CJR's The Observatory, which describes itself as "a lens on the science press.
The lens really should, make sure that scientific integrity is not compromised. before writing on a subject.
#86 Posted by Joe , CJR on Mon 27 May 2013 at 07:07 PM
You guys have been busy!
In other news:
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/05/vaccines-whooping-cough
"Yet the vaccine resisters and delayers are not the only parents whose kids miss out on shots. Far more children are undervaccinated for reasons unrelated to personal beliefs, according to a January 2013 study funded by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
The study found that an astonishing 49 percent of toddlers born from 2004 through 2008 hadn't had all their shots by their second birthday, but only about 2 percent had parents who refused to have them vaccinated. They were missing shots for pretty mundane reasons—parents' work schedules, transportation problems, insurance hiccups. An earlier CDC study concluded that children in poor communities were more likely to miss their shots than those in wealthier neighborhoods, and while that may not be too surprising, it's still a dangerous pattern. "If you're going to delay one or two vaccines, it's not going to make a huge difference," says the new study's lead author, Jason Glanz, an epidemiologist at the Kaiser Permanente Colorado Institute for Health Research. "But you could also think of it like this: If a million kids delay their vaccines by a month, that's time during which a disease could spread.""
The two income trap might just be as much at fault as the ethyl-methyl mercury scare.
And Dan Gainor still sucks.
:)
#87 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 28 May 2013 at 06:25 AM
Wow thanks for that great swelling article with zero actual facts. Did you know that Amish don't have an autism problem? Did you know I have personally taken care of multiple patients with life threatening/altering neurological disorders that were following vaccines? Did you the amount of murcury in vaccines for children is 200 times the safe amount got a grown man? Did you know that murcury is a very strong neruotoxin? Did you know An Italian court in 2004 ruled that there was no other explanation for the cause of a boys autism other then a vaccine
"Valentino Bocca was given an MMR shot in 2004, at the age of 15 months. According to his parents, the change in his behavior was immediate. That same night he refused to eat, and he developed diarrhea during the night. It quickly went downhill from there. Within days he was no longer able to put a spoon to his mouth, and he spent nights crying in pain. His parents immediately suspected the vaccination, but were told this was “impossible.” Valentino progressively regressed, and received the diagnosis of autism a year later."
Did you also know my nephuew went from a happy, expressive, and articulate boy to severely autistic just FOUR DAYS after recieving his scheduled vaccine? This is real, you are a tool and a sheep.
#88 Posted by John registered Nurse, CJR on Mon 1 Jul 2013 at 11:07 AM
You are right about the Amish - they don't have an "autism problem", but not for the reasons you suspect. Most Amish and Mennonite children with ASDs are undiagnosed because .. wait for it ... autism is not a problem in a culture that accepts and accommodates children with special needs.
Everything else you wrote is unconfirmed anecdote or flat out wrong. Which is why the news media caught on to your ruse about five years ago.
#89 Posted by AutismNewsBeat, CJR on Mon 1 Jul 2013 at 04:36 PM