What’s in a name? Very, very little—particularly when it comes to divining the motivations of the perpetrator of a violent crime. But that will not stop media analysts from reading into the fact that one of the shooters—and possibly the only shooter—at this afternoon’s massacre at Fort Hood was named…Nidal Malik Hasan.
Take Shep Smith, the Fox News anchor oft cited for being one of ‘the good guys’—the real, responsible reporters—at Fox. Smith, covering the network’s 5pm time slot for an appendicitis-stricken Glenn Beck, interviewed Texas senator Kay Bailey Hutchison about the Fort Hood events. In the process, Smith went out of his way to stress the decision he’d made to err on the side of caution when it came to revealing the identity of the now-deceased shooting suspect. Until military sources had confirmed the name, Smith said, he wouldn’t report it.
That decision would be admirable—had it been purely about journalistic accuracy, respecting the suspect’s family, etc. But it wasn’t. It was also about the name. And what the name, you know, meant. As Smith put it: “The name tells us a lot, does it not, Senator?”
The assumption being—well, you know what the assumption is.
Below, my transcript of the exchange:
Smith: Senator Hutchison, uh, other news organizations are identifying the shooter—the now deceased uh, uh, officer in the United States Army [coughs]—who, as you’ve reported to us here, was about to deploy to Iraq or Afghanistan, was upset about that, and then today went on this shooting rampage. I’ve been given a name that’s being reported elsewhere, and, uh, I’m not—are—have you been given a name, and what do you know about this suspect? How much are you able to tell us?
Hutchison: Well, I have been given a name, but I would not want to confirm that, because I don’t know if this person’s family has been notified. So I would not want to give the name. I do know—I, I have been given a name.
Smith: We’ve been given a name, as well, and, quite frankly, I’m not comfortable going with it ‘til it’s given to me by the United States military, and they say, ‘This is who it is.’ Unless we get it separately. But the name tells us a lot, does it not, Senator?
Hutchison: It does, Shepard. And that’s why it’s a very sad situation.
Smith—and Hutchison—and all the others who are tempted to engage in this kind of Muslim-to-murderer implication-mongering—would do well to heed the warning of ABC’s Jake Tapper: “No word on motive yet,” he Twittered earlier this afternoon, “and at a time like this ppl should listen to their better angels.”
Update: Hasan, contrary to initial reports, was wounded—but not killed—in the Fort Hood shooting. The post has been updated to reflect the new information.





Give us a fuckin a break! We all know god damn well why he did it the first time his name was released … this is a dog bites man story. Spin this with all the nuance your worthless ivy league-lite degree has equipped you with, but no amount of PC hand wringing will rewrite what has happened here.
Posted by Mike H on Thu 5 Nov 2009 at 08:19 PM
A name sometimes DOES say a lot. In this case, it probably does, but we won't know for a while, if ever.
He was MUSLIM and you have to admit that his Muslim faith and upbringing, and our war on terror, probably conflicted very much with him. That would only be human.
So, I agree with MIKE H., let's stop with all the politically correct nonsense and just acknowledge that this could be a primary reason for what happened.
It's not a knock on Muslims, but certainly could have been a big factor in what contributed to his mental state and/or mental illness.
Posted by joe on Thu 5 Nov 2009 at 08:26 PM
Feel free to explore both
http://angelfire.com/theforce/big10/fightback
and
http://breakingnews.topcities.com
Posted by Iconigon Originautica on Thu 5 Nov 2009 at 08:44 PM
Yes there is a lot in a name, isn't there? So if he is a muslim will you come out and say "yes this is not a peaceful religion"? or are you going to just comdemn those that jump to conclusion! next you'll be saying that Shepard Smith is a racist for coming to that conclusion? In the recent incident in Arizona where the father drove over his daughter for her westernized lifestyle, is that a hate crime or is it a peaceful religion. Funny that the media is always so fast to jump up and down and play the story night and day when a christian murders an abortion doctor, but when a muslim kills people anywhere they are never comdemned, but the media presents it as a friendly religion.
Posted by David on Thu 5 Nov 2009 at 08:44 PM
Um... read the news articles on him, he has expressed no religious preference, was born in Virginia, and was not a muslim.
Don't judge people on their names, these things stay with them from their births without their choice, and never tells you everything about who they are.
He was mentally disturbed, that is for sure, but why? It seems so far it is due to his impending deployment and all the horrible things he's heard about it.
Posted by Someone on Thu 5 Nov 2009 at 08:48 PM
So, because my name is Christopher, that means I have to be a Christian the rest of my life, right? You shouldn't profile a person based on their name or ethnicity. Just because he was given a name at birth, doesn't mean he is going to be a Muslim, Christian, whatever. Also, I'm not a Muslim and "our" "war on terror" conflicts with my beliefs. If it doesn't conflict with yours, well, I don't know what faith you have.
Posted by Chris on Thu 5 Nov 2009 at 09:05 PM
I haven't read anything stating, without a doubt, that this person was a Muslim. If he were, I can imagine he would be terribly troubled about being deployed. The picture that msnbc posted of him showed a rather unstable looking man...it didn't scream "muslim" to me. I am a retired Marine, and I have gone to college with several Muslims, who I deeply respected. I think we are wrong to say that this happened because he "might have been" a Muslim. Americans are all to eager to find something, anything to blame, without pointing a finger at this exhausting war that has caused us almost as much loss to suicide as it has to fatalities. War is hell--everyone here is a victim, in one way or another.
Posted by C on Thu 5 Nov 2009 at 09:06 PM
Was the Columbine killers Muslim? No.. I can't seriously remember. Was serial killer Anthony Sowell a Muslim..No seriously I cant recall. The name tells the story..I think..but I'm not sure what their faith is. The name's do suggest that they were followers of Christ.
Posted by Jeremiah on Thu 5 Nov 2009 at 09:09 PM
How do you know there is no significance to the shooter's name? Do you have any evidence to support your assertion? Is this the first time you've heard of acts of mass violence by people with such names? Does the fact that people with such names routinely shout "Death to America" escape your eagle eye?
Does your journalistic training require you to ignore facts that contradict your personal prejudices? Or is it your stimulus-response regime?
Remember Megan, "no word on motive, yet".
Posted by jimbo on Thu 5 Nov 2009 at 09:11 PM
Someone just reminded me of something. Our President (of the US) has a Muslim name. Does that tell us something? Man, republicans are so disgusting.
Posted by Chris on Thu 5 Nov 2009 at 09:12 PM
This guy had a grudge -- it had nothing to do with "not wanting to deploy." There are many legitimate ways to keep oneself from deploying...and, being a pysch, he would have known them all....ALL. It simply is not good form to say that this was anything BUT jihad. And because he had an Arabic name, it speaks to what he was, and did. If he had a Western-sounding name, and had shot up all these poor victims, he would have been declared a mid-30's white gun nut...you know, the kind your president declared who cling to them thar guns 'n religion. So, back off -- you know you are wrong. Just let it be. Let the families bury their dead and respect that.
Posted by Borderline on Thu 5 Nov 2009 at 09:14 PM
Gosh I can only imagine the psychological trauma this dude went through. Being in the Army and counseling troops returning with PTSD from battle. The raw uncut stories of death on both sides. Then the Haji references (i am no better it slips out my mough all the time). It'd be like being a black dude and listening to black jokes all day but these werent jokes they were tales of pain blood and destruction and to make things worse most folks look to religion when they are distressed----Horrible combination right there parlaying your racial and religious identity against the oath that you take to the Uniteted States. Sorry it happened but weak minds often snap--we've got guys who've done the same thing because their girlfriend left them. Sad, my heart goes out to the victims families
Posted by Anonymous on Thu 5 Nov 2009 at 09:17 PM
Federal law enforcement officials say the suspected Fort Hood, Texas, shooter had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.
One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.
http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/blotter/entries/2009/11/05/officials_shooting_suspect_dis.html
Like I said ..... savage sub-human muslim piece of shit.
And Megan, I must have missed the part where you went after the left wing shitbags who were all over the "Glen Beck and the te-baggers killed Bill Sparkman" story.
Yeah, I thought so too.
Posted by Mike H on Thu 5 Nov 2009 at 09:47 PM
a terrible tragedy
Posted by Hey There on Thu 5 Nov 2009 at 10:13 PM
No Islamic terrorism afoot here, people...
Nothing in the name...
Move on...
Posted by padikiller on Thu 5 Nov 2009 at 10:14 PM
This is the end of zionist empire
Posted by mohammad on Thu 5 Nov 2009 at 10:31 PM
IN CASE YOU IGNORANT FOOLS DIDN'T HEAR, HE IS A MUSLIM AND HAS MADE ANTI-AMERICAN COMMENTS IN THE PAST AND SAID MUSLIMS SHOULD ATTACK AMERICANS. Get your facts straight before posting your disgusting left wing trash.
Posted by truther on Thu 5 Nov 2009 at 10:49 PM
Does a name say a lot? Of course it does. There's 52,000 troops at Fort Hood and the guy that kills 12 people is named Hasan? Give me a break. Religious beliefs has everything to do with it.
Posted by Redglare on Thu 5 Nov 2009 at 10:53 PM
All extremists, be muslins or christians or atheist communists, are all stupid and bloody. Why the fuck one group mocks the other?
Posted by Alex on Thu 5 Nov 2009 at 11:02 PM
it is a sad incident...but what difference would it make if he is Muslim?
stop allowing muslims in the army? kick out all muslims from the country?
Posted by Mohammed P. on Thu 5 Nov 2009 at 11:08 PM
The real story here is that this alleged apparently has a poor employment history and a recent history of kooky violent posting on the interenet that was known to his command...
If there is indeed an Islamist motivation in his attack, don't expect to see any MSM-types beating the streets on this one..
Posted by padikiller on Thu 5 Nov 2009 at 11:28 PM
This seems to have been a well thought out move by this man, and thanks to the good shooting of our forces he may well be able to clarify weather or not any of us are correct in what we each have thought. If it was a muslim Jihad or just a angry rampage out of control. We should be able to find out some day. If his lawyers don't stop the flow of information or make him a poor victimm.
One thing is true, God does know his heart and thoughts. He will have a day to answer a just Lord, and his name is "I AM".,
Posted by Just a Man on Thu 5 Nov 2009 at 11:31 PM
Man, so many mindless dweebs writing on this! Spouting off out of your ignorance. The facts have been developing all day, people!
Hasan's name is Muslim, Hasan's cousin stated he has been Muslim his entire life and has been against the war since 9/11. Hasan's coworker says Hasan frequently made statements supporting a muslim rise against "the aggressors". He was a loner, womanless (that'll drive any guy crazy) and having a faith in a religion commonly taught to rise against anyone contrary. Can't even depict his god in a cartoon!
I worked in a drivers license office during 9/11. A woman came to me wanting to re-test the written portion. I asked for I.D., she pulled out and spread open her wallet and flipping through the empty card sleeves she arrives at her I.D. card AND a head shot of Osama bin Laden. We looked at each other and it was like time stopped. She is a breeder. Just like the millions in this country that have 10 kids for the section 8 bennies, breeders like this lady know what they are doing too. The day will come!
Hasan is kind of a chicken before the egg problem. Did his religion drive him crazy or did his crazy religion drive him violent?
Posted by Yeff on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 12:19 AM
Let's see.... Now we know the facts: 1) he is Muslim and 2) this was a major motivating factor in this incident. So, yeah, I guess the name did say a lot. Commonsense goes a long way in life...unless you don't have any.
'Nuff said.
Posted by T on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 01:38 AM
It's important to strike a balance here - we need to avoid crude stereotyping and tribalism. But at the same time, to act as if his name is irrelevant is to fall into the worst of pc traps - to fail to use your education and historical knowledge to inform your understanding. I am disturbed that so many media outlets used this as an opportunity to lament the state of our military - stressed, overextended, desperate - without considering the possibility that Islam (and fundamentalist religion generally) does in fact lead many people to commit such horrible atrocities. When can we have an honest conversation about the role of religion and its affect on people's behavior?
Will we ever be able to see that fundamentalist religion is, in essence, a mental disorder? Alas the psychiatrist in question was never able to self-diagnose...
Posted by Rational on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 02:04 AM
What’s in a name? Sometimes A LOT — particularly when it comes to divining the motivations of the perpetrator of a violent, religion-motivated act. Duh.
Posted by Gary on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 02:15 AM
Religion is a form of mental illness and should be treated as such.
People suffering from mild religion should get therapy.
People suffering from extreme religion should all be locked up. They are a danger to themselves and others.
Posted by Ugly American on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 02:23 AM
I presume you were indicting Christians after the Oklahoma bombing? And calling Christianity a hate filled religion? Because I hear you absolutely can blame all Christians for the act one one disturbed individual.
Posted by Thalia on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 02:36 AM
Pelaku penembakan massal di pangkalan militer Fort Hood, Texas, AS adalah seorang psikiater militer, Mayor Nidal Malik Hasan. Keluarga Hasan terkejut mendengar peristiwa itu.kerja keras adalah energi kita
Posted by kerja keras adalah energi kita on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 02:52 AM
Why does the US media have no problem blasting conservatives and Christians but are so reluctant to state anything negative about radical Islam? You know, the ones blowing themselves up and massacring thousands every year. You know the ones in our own country call for the death of the US and all Americans.
From the Daily Telpgraph in London:
Col Terry Lee, a retired officer who worked with him at the military base in Texas, alleged Maj Hasan had angry confrontations with other officers over his views.
Maj Hasan was reportedly fighting orders to be deployed to Iraq at the end of the month, claiming that he was the victim of harassment and insults because of his Arab background and his faith.
The major is a psychiatrist who had been treating soldiers returning from Iraq for post-traumatic stress and alcohol and drug abuse problems.
"He was making outlandish comments condemning our foreign policy and claimed Muslims had the right to rise up and attack Americans," Col Lee told Fox News.
"He said Muslims should stand up and fight the aggressor and that we should not be in the war in the first place." He said that Maj Hasan said he was "happy" when a US soldier was killed in an attack on a military recruitment centre in Arkansas in June. An American convert to Islam was accused of the shootings
Posted by Retired Army on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 03:07 AM
I enjoyed reading the self-proclaimed psychiatrist on this page. Religion is not the problem - Humans are. Human Nature - greed, revenge, power, etc. Capitalism is a great form of economy not evil, but when you interject human nature it becomes the vehicle for evil. Those who strongly believe that there exist no Spirit or Soul are the ones in total denial. What is life? Not what is the manifestation of life. What is missing in the corps which was "alive" five minutes ago? All the body parts are still there - what is missing? The spirit. Religious people are NOT the mentally ill ones. They fully nderstand that there is more to life than what is seen. The others are in denial to justify their decadence.
Posted by Army Retired on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 03:25 AM
Nidal Exclaim ‘Allah Akbar’ as He Opened Fire....
Now is time to look what islam is not
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8KgLZtOnVY
and
Islam: What the west needs to know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbLfpqBx2TU&feature=PlayList&p=3C7052B7ADA587B6&index=0&playnext=1
Posted by John Doe on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 03:35 AM
Those were desperate acts of this courageous man to save iraqi civilians before rampage of yankees how many civilians you killed by now? or responsible for becouse i also regard sectarian violence happening in iraq resoult of yankee ocupation ? At least 100 000 !!!!
Stay behind your fucking boarders there is no terorism without cause! Cause is you wana inflict your will to every people and globalize whole world under your comand no fucking way we will never alow that in europe we should kick all the foringers out no ones gona tell us how to live or destroy our culture and way of life
from europe
we dont like blody yanks either!!!!!!
Posted by Martin88 on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 04:41 AM
If a Christian, Atheist, Buddhist, Jew or Hindu murders someone it's called murder. If the killer is a Muslim then it's part of a terrorist jihad based on mindless indoctrination. It's amazing how quickly people have forgotten about the many Western wars of the twentieth century in which somewhere between 50 and 100 million people were killed.....no Jihad then. In the U.S. last year over 16,000 people were murdered. Almost all of those who's origins were known were either of European or African descent. Before accusing Muslims of being violent Americans should ask themselves how many countries Muslims have invaded in the last 100 years and then look at how many has the US invaded. How many Muslims have the US killed in the last twenty years....Two million? How many atomic bombs have Muslims dropped?
Posted by Jongo Oz on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 06:55 AM
His name and his religion underline his motive. Nidal Malik Hasan was a member of an underground radical muslim group operating in the USA. He was under investigation and, unfortunately for the Ft Hood victims, that imnvestigation did not yield enough evidence to stop him before he did this. If you care, take a long look at the mosque he "prayed" in.
Posted by Cathedral Watch on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 07:17 AM
Its simple, kill all muslims everywhere. They are trouble everywhere they exist throughout the world. They commit essentiall all the terror. They kill their own children if they dare to think differently. They are sub human. Earth does not need them.
Posted by dwhite on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 07:46 AM
This is a crazy incident, I guess no one here can be blamed but the the assailant. No one knows what lingered on his mind to do such kind of bloodshed. Perhaps it is merely coincident but Malik Hasan graduated from Virginia Tech, same school where Virginia Tech Massacre occurred.
Fort Hood Bloody Massacre
Posted by Jack bond on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 09:55 AM
Really tired of trying to be politically correct. plain and simple it appears to be an act of treason . Dont want to hear about his mental state, his religion, or his personal beliefs about the war, He enlisted in, and swore allegiance to the Army of the United States. Let get back to basics people
Posted by Jeff on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 10:02 AM
Chris, you point out that the president has a moslem name and you ask if that means anything. It certainly does. Our country is going down the tubes because of him and his sorry socialist/commie regime. Liberals suck and we conservatives are taking back our country. If your regime passes any law that perverts our Constitution as written by our founding fathers, they should be executed. The writer of this article is a moron. I commented that the shooter would have a moslem name before they even released it. The only part I got wrong was that he probably converted to islam. Remember, political correctness means voting for the RIGHT party. Liberalism/socialism/communism in this country needs to die and I hope to help that happen.
Posted by Chuck on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 11:06 AM
Here's a thought . . .
He survived.
He will no doubtly be charged & convicted of treason & mass murder.
AND . . .
He did it all in the Great State of Texas.
Death Row will not be a long row for this guy.
It's too bad they're having to waste medical resources on him to keep him alive long enough to just light his ass up anyway.
:-D
Posted by Ron on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 11:17 AM
I mourn for civilized discourse in this country. And for facts.
Posted by laura k on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 11:36 AM
The Empire strikes back – right when when public support for the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan sinks to all time lows, an anti-war Islamic extremist with links to suicide bombers goes on a shooting rampage at a U.S. army base, reinvigorating support for the war on terror and demonizing opposition to it as anti-American extremism. The scam would be believable if it wasn’t so perfectly staged.
Posted by Michelle den Hollander on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 11:47 AM
He was quoted as saying "GOD IS Great' prior to shooting in Arabic. Then one must conclude this was directly tied to his extremist Muslin beliefs! You can't spin this any other way. He wrote his own story! The US is a very tolerant country but can tell if someone's beliefs are extremely way off. I'm saddened no one was able to see and prevent this tragic event from happening. Apparently there were signs prior to this event. My prayers go out to the victims, eye witnesses, and Major Nidals family. I have no sympathy for the shooter whatsover!!! May he rot in Hell!
Posted by Alley on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 11:55 AM
It's fair enough to warn against jumping to conclusions about motive in a case such as this. The problem is that a converted Moslem just murdered two young soldiers the same week as the murder of Dr. Tiller, the abortion provider, not so long ago (guess which case received more attention), and the latest attack is going to create the appearance of a pattern, not just an isolated incident. Violence in the name of some 'conservative' cause is treated as a jumping-off point for a discussion of the need for more 'hate crimes' legislation, or of the violent tendencies of 'right-wing' groups. It is, however, a media taboo (one noticed by consumers) to guess at motives and generalize about groups when it comes to violence by individuals or groups to which liberal opinion is sensitive.
Orthodox reporters and editors are justifiably concerned with inflaming public opinion against some groups - but not others. And the test ends up being a political one.
Posted by Mark Richard on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 12:50 PM
He is a life long devout Muslim. The Feds have been watching him for months. Not close enough apparently, they dropped the ball. He had issues at Walter Reed Hospital trying to convert patients and other co-workers to Islam. No one could say anything about his past behavior for fear of not being tolerant and having to go through 'sensitivity training' for weeks. He is a 'protected class', being a minority. This was an act of terror, same as being a 'suicide bomber', a Jihadist. Islam is not a religion of peace. These are not fanatics but fundamentalist of the Islam faith
Now the liberal media comes up with the term "pre-traumatic stress syndrome". Give me a break. He was not going to be on the front line but in fact "in the rear with the gear" Why is it that these terrorist murders are always the victim. Same goes for the Washington D.C. sniper, another Muslin terrorist. Call it what it is.
Oh and 'Jongo Oz' just look at the genocide and carnage that Muslims have been carrying out in Africa the past 20 years.
Posted by mark evans on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 03:19 PM
Journalists are useless. All they do is cover up the facts.
Posted by Evil Pundit on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 04:05 PM
Mark, you mean like the Janjaweed in Dafar? They are the muslim thugs that murdered half a million people, gang raped all the women they didn't kill and created a million refugees. Or maybe the muslim pirates that operate out of Somalia? Or the muslim bombers that killed so many in Spain? The "pieceful" muslims that burnt a lot of Paris a couple of summers ago. The devout muslims who blew up the London subway. Not to mention 3k dead in 911. How about those religion of piece muslim thugs who are bombing all over Iraq, killing everything in their sight. Or the muslims who slowly sliced the head off of Danny Pearl and others. If you have heard the audio of that event, you know what I mean, it will stay with you forever. Those wonderful muslims who treat their women like dirt and kill them at will with no penality. Where are all you liberal women that stand up for women's rights? In muslim countries, they don't even have the right to live! How anybody can even begin to defend this horrible, evil religious culture just stuns me.
Posted by dwhite on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 04:20 PM
I urge "The Left" - of which I consider myself a member - to recommit to two of its founding principles: Secularism and Inductive Reasoning. Right now, shouldn't it be educated members of the left warning of religious extremism? It saddens me that only ignorant and xenophobic right-wingers are speaking plainly about the dangers of radical Islam. It's The Left that's been standing up to these people since the Enlightenment...Don't give up now!
And as to induction, it's important not to jump to conclusions and vilify groups of people, but please - can we learn from the past? If a guy named "Hasan" commits a massacre while yelling Allahu Akbar, are we to act is if this information is irrelevant? "What's in a name?" Sometimes, quite a lot...
Columbia Journalism Review - I urge you to be more HL Mencken and less Phil Donahue.
Posted by Rational on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 04:50 PM
Despite so many insightful, albeit contradictory comments, one must still hope for peaceful coexistence between incompatible believers and nonbelievers...
How about the Fundamental Paradox of Religion:
(1) All religions are right on their own, as they all claim to be absolutely true.
(2) All religions are dead wrong, insofar as they cannot be all absolutely true at once.
Accordingly, most believers and many religious studies theorists evoke (1) in order to point out that religion is such a universal, complex phenomenon that makes us confident about our own particular religious beliefs and respectful of each other's conceptions of religious truths. Universalism and particularism seem to be made thus compatible, as in a leap of faith, without any recourse to a reasonable, sustainable argument. Most atheists and agnostics (like Dawkins and Dennett) evoke (2) precisely to justify their unbelief or skepticism regarding religious faith. A pragmatic perspectivism –this is my working hypothesis and guiding thesis— can actually account for both (1) and (2) and make them compatible, just as universalism and particularism can be rationally justified in moral epistemology: all religions and world views that do not subscribe to the golden rule (an ethic of reciprocity, mutual recognition and respect) should not be taken seriously by anyone.
Posted by Nythamar de Oliveira on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 06:19 PM
Nythamar, get your head out of the clouds. This isn't about cultural relativism. Murder in universally condemmed in all cultures (except perhaps Islam the the Thugees in India from the last century). When 911 occured, we had footage in the news from numerous muslim countries and the streets were packed with people cheering the deaths of almost 3000 Americans. This is completely evil and completely wrong.
All animal behavior, at least in higher animals, seeks to preserve the individual's offspring by the individual. How can you reconcile that with "honor killings" like the one recently committed in the USA where a muslim ran over his own daughter who just died yesterday because she became "too Westernized"? This is inhuman. This is sub human. For crying out loud, when these people can't murder Westerners, they murder each other! Look at Iraq! Islam is a culture of death, period. The rest of the world needs to stand up and say we're not putting up with this anymore.
Rational, I agree with every point you made. In a perfect world, all governments, including and especially including the USA, must be secular. All citizens should be able to practice whatever religion they want so long as it doesn't harm others. It is interesting to note that many muslim countries have absolutely no tolerance for any other religion.
Personally, I think all religion is a fairy tale but I wouldn't for a moment infringe on anyone's right to believe as they wish. At least until they start murdering people. At that point, they need to be introduced to two of my best friends, Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson.
Posted by dwhite on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 07:54 PM
Oh come on. The guy was shouting "Allah is great!" while executing our soldiers! And yes, his name is Muslim! Given the current state of the world and previous acts of terrorism in the name of Allah I think there is a LOT in a name. If the guy was named HITLER questions would be raised, too.
Posted by Jennifer Wachowski on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 07:57 PM
So Megan, how many guys named O'Malley have you heard shouting Allahu Akbar before wasting a room full of innocents? Is your head coming out, just a little? Or is this nugget driving it further into the sand?
Rational, if you take a little closer look at history, you'll see that it was the Catholic princes and the Papacy that confronted these people in the middle ages. Oddly enough, during the Enlightenment, the left took aim at the institutions of church and monarchy, finally giving each the coup de grace in the 20th century, paving the way for the rise of secularism. Do you think this has made the West stronger or weaker in the face of this contemporary Jihad?
I remember a comment from behind the Iron Curtain regarding your comrades who managed to grip the people of Russia and Eastern Europe by the hair of their heads for seventy-odd years. It went something like this: "It's amazing how much education and intelligence true stupidity requires".
Posted by jimbo on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 08:11 PM
Jimbo,
I'm confused - are you saying the Catholics led the fight against "these people" (by which I assume you mean Muslims)? You're touting the Crusades, eh? Very few people who suggest "looking deeper into history" laud the Crusades...How'd that work out? With Christians sacking Constantinople and paving the way for Muslims to take it over, if I recall. Let's not bother to discuss the atrocities, cannibalism, etc.
If you're a Catholic arguing that secularism is Europe's problem, you're not only willfully neglecting the history of Catholicism (perhaps as bloody and immoral as Islam's), but you're just another side of the coin. My God is an Awesome God - no, Alluha Akbar.
The only reasonable response to Fundamentalist Islam is a secular one - it's not that my god is true and yours is not, it's that all of these superstitious fools entertain beliefs that are false and destructive to humanity. Torquemada, Osama bin Laden - peas in a pod. From your perspective, it's about proving that Torquemada wasn't as bad as Osama. From mine, I can say they were both suffering from the same syndrome. A pox on them both.
Perhaps what you need is a bit more education, so that there are facts behind your sweepingly inaccurate assertions.
We're fellow travelers against Islamic Fundamentalism, but, boy I dislike the way you got there...These times create strange bedfellows.
Posted by Rational on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 10:52 PM
Religion, as a whole, should be abandoned.
It only led people to countless bloodshed over the years, even dating back to B.C. times...and it's STILL going on today.
Things never change and religion is one of those things.
Posted by Rob on Fri 6 Nov 2009 at 11:09 PM
When I used to walk my Doberman Pincher in town, nearly every black person that I approached would cross the street or move way away from us. I thought to myself at the time that they were profiling. Had I done the same to them (without the dog) many I believe would have considered me racist for being leary of them. Funny thing about these liberal/communist pc writers, until a black kicks in their back door and burglarizes their home they are going to be wide eyed & arms open in the path of any black. WAKE UP America there are people that want what you own & sometimes profiling & trusting your gut feeling are the correct thing to follow.
Posted by Justin Case on Sat 7 Nov 2009 at 12:35 AM
I think u American people are crazy if African people or other people kill each other u smile and said that there are nothing people but looser if u kill each other u blame the ethnicity of some one may be push him or her to do that and Islamic people are bad do u think that is funny for u to blame the Islamic people? I am not defending them but it's u people who are called themselves that your christian who divided the American people let me tell you that it is Catholic Church and Islamic religion which are chosen by God and you bustard who divided people Ur nothing but looser in your mind u don't think u react like mentally people and not intellectual people who judged things by evidence who told you that Islamic people are bad it's Ur media who raise things with no evidence that it is Islamic people who are killer always may be the name of the guy pushed you to do that it is unfair to judged some one with no evidence and u called themselves that Ur democratic or demo killing?
Posted by buta on Sat 7 Nov 2009 at 02:59 AM
Some of just can't see it, can you ?
You justify your endless wars of aggression to 'maintain international order'. Your killings of innocent civilians as 'collateral damage'. How many wars have you fought in the 20th and 21st century. How much pain have you inflicted and hurt caused ?
Do we now consider those wars as Christian Wars - Crusades ?
Or are they wars of a hegemonistic nation and military industrial complex that wants to dominate and control global resources for their own benefit and profit at the expense of the rest of the world.
As a nation, you reap what you have sown and you will get much more pain inflicted, until you understand and internalize that others hurt too.
Unfortunately your arrogance as a nation and assumptions of cultural superiority has blinded most of you. There will be many more Major Malik Hasan's and much, much worst to come and all your billions of dollars wasted in homeland security will not be able to stop it.
Make a strategic choice and bring your aggresive troops back home. No one wants them, except the cronies you have put in power. Live and let live.
Susan
Posted by Susan Levi on Sat 7 Nov 2009 at 03:36 AM
Susan, you are a complete idiot. We went to afganistan because they bombed us. We went to WWII because they bombed us. We were in Korea and Viet Nam to defend allies. You disgrace every citizen who has fought for his/her country. The USA is the greatest county that ever was. We rebuilt Europe and Japan after WWII. What did the Soviets do? We give generously to the whole world and defend our allies. You USA bashing liberals are a disgrace to humanity.
When we fight, we do absolutely everything to minimize killing non combatants, at great expense to the safety of our troups. The enemy could care less. Personally, I believe we should fight them on the same terms as they fight us. If talaban are within a five mile radius, you just completely level that area from a safe distance then go have a beer.
Posted by dwhite on Sat 7 Nov 2009 at 10:57 AM
Don't worry Rational, we're all confused, it's the times. Nonetheless, in the algebraic spirit of our opponents, let me extend my hand to you: our enemy's enemy is indeed our friend. You seem to be able to think beyond the usual slogans and cant to realize that there is a cultural threat to our existence. I respect that.
Sadly, I see that the statement of a simple historical fact is enough to bring forth a fulminating torrent of the usual anti-Catholic clichés. My point is simple: the institutions of the West that managed to successfully confront and contain Islamic aggression for a thousand years no longer exist. After 200+ years of attack from the left all that remains are the cold stones of empty churches, and emptier people. On the other hand, our adversaries are fueled by the same spirit that animated their ancestors.
The secularism you are so attached to has produced an elite of pampered, nihilistic, narcissists that see themselves as the ultimate power in the universe. The concept of sacrifice for them is as alien as putting on their country's uniform. Confronting them is a ferocious opponent untroubled by his own mortality. Who do you think will prevail?
It's ironic that you mention Torquemada. Regardless of anything else about him, he got his job precisely for the same reason we are conversing today: the danger of an enemy within. Setting aside their methods, our medieval forbears had no qualms about recognizing the threat and acting. Contrast that with the dithering catatonia of our contemporaries, paralyzed by secular nonsense, they're unable to name the threat even as it's poised to strike them.
Posted by jimbo on Sat 7 Nov 2009 at 11:24 AM
My heart and prayers go out to all the victims family and friends.
From all the news reports it appears this Major is a career military man and that in his current position for less than a year and was not going well. He did not want to be deployed and in fact wanted out of the Army, so he paid back his military student loans and hired an attorney.
The reason may have been that he was being harassed and called names like “camel jockey ”. I guess all that sensitivity training for those with bigotry tendencies are all for not. (Can training real change the way you were brought up?)
Another reason is called PTSD by proxy, the stress of treating PTSD in other soldiers make you go a little crazy yourself. Its even more stressful because most of the higher ranks don’t even believe in such thing as PTSD. Their denial prompts them to tell suffering soldiers to “drink it off.” Some civilians in the defense dept feel the same way no doubt IMO, it’s why hardly anything is mentioned of PTSD until one of these violent episodes occurs. These people see PTSD as a cop-out or an excuse. First we need to have an understanding that PTSD actually is real before we can ever hope to help treat it (does anyone believe that being shot at or killing your fellow man is not going to affect you in some way either then or in the future?). I guess with the high soldier suicide rate before and after deployment kinda takes care of the complaints from coming in (so those who said he should have just killed himself, well that’s already happening ). What real ticked me off when I heard that the military was trying to say that some soldiers coming back from this war with PTSD or other psychological disorders had “Pre-Existing Conditions” and that the military would not pay to treat them, I think it has been corrected but what a bunch of asses they break you and don’t want to pay.
The final issue is why does the military want to keep people in their ranks that no longer want to be there is it just sheer number? I mean is it ten percent, twenty percent. Is it that it is the only contract in the US that you can’t get out of unless to kill yourself or kill your fellow soldiers? It does not make any sense to me.
I guess the Major could just be another wacko like Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nicholas, of course McVeigh was executed and apparently because Nicholas became a Christian he received a life sentenced. I real think if he gets that far the Major will get the former and not in a million years the latter.
This is so messed up, hopefully they will make some changes that make sense.
Posted by Montana on Sat 7 Nov 2009 at 02:17 PM
My heart and prayers go out to all the victims family and friends.
From all the news reports it appears this Major is a career military man and that in his current position for less than a year and was not going well. He did not want to be deployed and in fact wanted out of the Army, so he paid back his military student loans and hired an attorney.
The reason may have been that he was being harassed and called names like “camel jockey ”. I guess all that sensitivity training for those with bigotry tendencies are all for not. (Can training real change the way you were brought up?)
Another reason is called PTSD by proxy, the stress of treating PTSD in other soldiers make you go a little crazy yourself. Its even more stressful because most of the higher ranks don’t even believe in such thing as PTSD. Their denial prompts them to tell suffering soldiers to “drink it off.” Some civilians in the defense dept feel the same way no doubt IMO, it’s why hardly anything is mentioned of PTSD until one of these violent episodes occurs. These people see PTSD as a cop-out or an excuse. First we need to have an understanding that PTSD actually is real before we can ever hope to help treat it (does anyone believe that being shot at or killing your fellow man is not going to affect you in some way either then or in the future?). I guess with the high soldier suicide rate before and after deployment kinda takes care of the complaints from coming in (so those who said he should have just killed himself, well that’s already happening ). What real ticked me off when I heard that the military was trying to say that some soldiers coming back from this war with PTSD or other psychological disorders had “Pre-Existing Conditions” and that the military would not pay to treat them, I think it has been corrected but what a bunch of asses they break you and don’t want to pay.
The final issue is why does the military want to keep people in their ranks that no longer want to be there is it just sheer number? I mean is it ten percent, twenty percent. Is it that it is the only contract in the US that you can’t get out of unless to kill yourself or kill your fellow soldiers? It does not make any sense to me.
I guess the Major could just be another wacko like Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nicholas, of course McVeigh was executed and apparently because Nicholas became a Christian he received a life sentenced. I real think if he gets that far the Major will get the former and not in a million years the latter.
This is so messed up, hopefully they will make some changes that make sense.
Posted by Montana on Sat 7 Nov 2009 at 02:18 PM
Doesn't matter what his name is:
1st: The Army spent a lot of money for his education; he can't just quit. He took the education and the degree paid for my us. He agreed service and he got promoted and spent the money - On guns t kill innocent young people who volunteered to serve their country just like him.
2nd: He sold all his furniture and gave away his Korans days before the act- that is premeditation. How would you use that information in your "He snapped" logic.
3rd: I was stationed at Fort Hood; he worked at the hospital, a long way from where he committed the act. He planned on catching several defenseless men and women in one place. He is a coward.
4th: if he was so upset about going overseas why not commit suicide?
Thus: he committed a political act of war against the US by killing innocent people because he disagreed with policy - He is a terrorist! Simple as that. The Political correctness ove this submect is killing me!
Now you can clearly say Obama has one terrorist attack to notch in his belt. Keeping us safe, is he?
Posted by clejon on Sun 8 Nov 2009 at 05:39 PM
Sadly, I see that the statement of a simple historical fact is enough to bring forth a fulminating torrent of the usual anti-Catholic clichés. My point is simple: the institutions of the West that managed to successfully confront and contain Islamic aggression for a thousand years no longer exist. After 200+ years of attack from the left all that remains are the cold stones of empty churches, and emptier people. On the other hand, our adversaries are fueled by the same spirit that animated their ancestors.
John, and also founder of my own baby products website.
Posted by John on Sun 8 Nov 2009 at 09:07 PM
You liberals are all sitting back as all of are rights are slowly being taken away. We are slowly turning this country into socialism and this administration is trying to down play the war on terrorism. Look at what is going on in the world. Iran wants to wipe out a whole country in the name of religion. People on here have mentioned other serial killers. Did any serial killer kill thousands of innocent people like on 9/11? Especially due to their radical religious beliefs Muslim extremists are the worst terrorist group in the world. No matter what your religious beliefs are if everyone followed the Ten Commandments this would be a wonderful world. especially THOU SHALL NOT KILL. God Bless Everyone.
Posted by Gary on Mon 9 Nov 2009 at 08:32 AM
Well I think that the name does not mean if you will be a bad or good person but one thing I been thinking a lot for a long time is that That kind of peoples Muslim or whatever they belive shoudn't be not just in our Army but not even in this contry, I say this many times If you don't like USA GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE.....
Lou....
Posted by Lou on Mon 9 Nov 2009 at 08:23 PM
Lets face it soldiers will always have a certain amount of predudice against someone who looks like or has a name that sounds like there enemy.
What was the army thinking when they hired him for that role?
These extremists should be put on an ice flow and let allah sort them out in the artic. They should just kick all of them out of the country right away and bill them for the boat ride.
Posted by larry on Thu 12 Nov 2009 at 04:35 PM
pls understood that not all moslem like nidal
he just a terrorist, but many of them not
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