So: The latest round of mock outrage—in a presidential race that has turned the tactic into an art form—now comes in response to comments made by General Wesley Clark. Appearing as a surrogate for Barack Obama on CBS’s “Face the Nation”, Clark, in reference to John McCain, said:
I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war But he hasn’t held executive responsibility. That large squadron in the Navy that he commanded—that wasn’t a wartime squadron. He hasn’t been there and ordered the bombs to fall.
When moderator Bob Schieffer interjected that “Barack Obama has not had any of those experiences, either, nor has he ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down”, Clark responded: “Well, I don’t think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president.”
The McCain camp, sensing an opportunity, complained that Clark had “attacked John McCain’s military service record.” Of course, Clark had done nothing of the kind. He had questioned the relevance of McCain’s combat experience as a qualification to be president of the United States. This is a distinction that you’d expect any reasonably intelligent nine-year old to be able to grasp.
But many in the press have been unable to. ABC News senior political reporter Rick Klein led the outrage, writing in a blog post on ABCNews.com:
Find me a single Democrat who thinks it’s good politics to call into question the military credentials of a man who spent five-and-a-half years as a prisoner of war.
This is the perfect embodiment of the press’s unbelievably destructive habit of assessing every piece of campaign rhetoric for its political acuity, rather than for its validity and accuracy. Clark’s comments may (or may not) have been impolitic. But that has no bearing on their validity or lack thereof—which is how the news media should be evaluating them.
To be fair, Klein does get to that, eventually. Later in the post, he writes:
Clark’s comments seem to miss a vital point about the McCain campaign: Yes, his military service is part of his stock campaign biography, but McCain is not running on that record nearly as much as he’s running on his service in Congress.
Clark is right that “getting shot down” isn’t a qualification to be president, but McCain isn’t saying that it is.
Ads like this just slipped through, I guess. Even if McCain weren’t running on his military record, it’s undoubtedly something that could convince many voters, rightly or wrongly, that he has the experience to be commander in chief. Why should it be out of bounds for Democrats to argue that McCain’s particular military experience has done little to prepare him for the decisions he’ll have to make as president?
Klein wasn’t alone, of course. NBC’s First Read, written by Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro, noted that “American politics can’t quite get beyond this question: Just how big a military hero were you?” before summarizing Clark’s comments—as if Clark was questioning McCain’s claim to military heroism, rather than pointing out that that heroism isn’t a qualification for president. Like Klein, the NBC team couldn’t resist playing political consultants, pronouncing that Clark’s comments “weren’t helpful at all to the Obama campaign,” without bothering to consider whether Clark’s argument might make sense.
Gerald Seib and Sara Murray of The Wall Street Journal arguably do even worse. They write: “The one certainty of the 2008 campaign, it might have seemed, was that Sen. John McCain would be acknowledged all around as a war hero for his service in Vietnam—but apparently not.” Did Seib and Murray even read what Clark said? Where did Clark say anything about McCain not being a war hero?
And in a piece headlined “Clark Hits McCain’s Military Credentials”, Josh Kraushaar of The Politico says that Clark “invoked McCain’s military service against him .” Huh? By this bizarre standard, if Clark were to point out that my record of writing for Columbia Journalism Review is not a qualification to be president, he would have invoked my writing for CJR against me.
It’s crucially important that we have a political debate in this country that’s at least sophisticated enough to be able to handle the following rather basic idea: Arguing that a person’s record of military service is not a qualification for the presidency does not constitute “attacking” their military credentials; nor can it be described as invoking their military service against them, or as denying their record of war heroism.
That’s not a very high bar for sophistication. But right now it’s one the press isn’t capable of clearing.

The minds of journalists consist of intellectually undigestable spoon-fed vomit, basically. You have to become desensitized to the basic reflex of nausea in order to become a journalist, apparently. What is truly naive are journalism students who think they are training to be respectable professionals.
Posted by DryFact
on Mon 30 Jun 2008 at 07:37 PM
Wes Clark has demonstrated for all the world to see that he talks like and is, and always will be, a General.
He has simultaneously demonstrated for all the world (esp. Barack) to see that he is not a Politician. Whatever Veep chance he had died when he uttered his gratuitous line about McCain "riding in a plane...."
The use of the word "riding" was in and of itself a mockery of all pilots, not merely McCain.
What qualifies someone to be Prez? The Constitution says the only qualifications are: (1) at least 35 years-of-age, and (2) a natural born citizen. McCain and Obama meet the Constitutional requirements.
A few more comments on Clark's somewhat bizarre attack:
Why, when your own candidate (Obama) has no "executive" experience, attack your opponent's lack of "executive" experience? Why raise that particular issue at all? Any why raise it by denigrating your opponent's military service, generally a plus for any candidate, when your own candidate has zero military service himself?
John McCain has one virtually impenetrable wall he can hide behind, namely, his Navy service. But, upon close examination, one realizes that it is the ONLY impenetrable wall he has.
I thought Generals were taught to discern the enemy's weak points and attack there. Candidate McCain has no shortage of those, but being a fighter pilot is not one of them.
Posted by FredrickBernanke
on Mon 30 Jun 2008 at 08:19 PM
Wes Clark has demonstrated for all the world to see that he talks like and is, and always will be, a General.
He has simultaneously demonstrated for all the world (esp. Barack) to see that he is not a Politician. Whatever Veep chance he had died when he uttered his gratuitous line about McCain "riding in a plane...."
The use of the word "riding" was in and of itself a mockery of all pilots, not merely McCain.
What qualifies someone to be Prez? The Constitution says the only qualifications are: (1) at least 35 years-of-age, and (2) a natural born citizen. McCain and Obama meet the Constitutional requirements.
A few more comments on Clark's somewhat bizarre attack:
Why, when your own candidate (Obama) has no "executive" experience, attack your opponent's lack of "executive" experience? Why raise that particular issue at all? Any why raise it by denigrating your opponent's military service, generally a plus for any candidate, when your own candidate has zero military service himself?
John McCain has one virtually impenetrable wall he can hide behind, namely, his Navy service. But, upon close examination, one realizes that it is the ONLY impenetrable wall he has.
I thought Generals were taught to discern the enemy's weak points and attack there. Candidate McCain has no shortage of those, but being a fighter pilot is not one of them.
Posted by FredrickBernanke
on Mon 30 Jun 2008 at 08:20 PM
bernanke, clarke used the word riding bcos that is how his interviewer described it...and going by your qualifications to be president, namely, having to be a natural born citizen...then mccain fails because he was not born in america
Posted by cherry
on Mon 30 Jun 2008 at 08:45 PM
I argue that McCain is running MORE on his presumed ability to be Commander-in-Chief than his legislative record. That much of that 'presumed' ability is based on his military service would seem obvious.
Why then, is it an insult for a 4-star General to question a pilot/POW's qualifications to make staff-level military decisions if that pilot/POW had never been in a position to make any of those high-level decisions. But, conversely, is asking the American people elect him president based largely on his qualifications to be an experienced Commander-in-Chief ?
Obama has no such record either BUT he's not listing it on his resume either. The last Democratic candidate that did got Swiftboated for his wartime service.
'Dryfact' thanks for that helpful and colorful insight into your opinion of journalism and your digestive system. It gave me the dry heaves. You must gather your political facts from the New England Journal of Medicine. Chew some Tums my acerbic brother.
Posted by Smaknstein
on Mon 30 Jun 2008 at 09:32 PM
The Republicans (and their media stooges) know exactly what they're doing - defending the meme of McCain the father/protector figure. It's the underlying emotional argument of McCain as the "strong leader" that they deem important. Given how we're more often swayed by emotion rather than cold logic, they're probably correct to be worried.
Posted by RepubAnon
on Mon 30 Jun 2008 at 09:49 PM
Journalists like mentally feed on the trough of Journalistic Consensus Vomit so long, they actually believe the garbage they spew. "Capabilities of a 9-year old" is putting it mildly. The saddest part is, journalists end up being proud of their ability to spin everything to the level of Joe Plebian, the way they effortless cast aside fact and reason like some ratings superhero.
Posted by DryFact
on Mon 30 Jun 2008 at 10:03 PM
BTW - Good article Zach.
Informative and insightful. My compliments to your 'trough'.
Yours truly
Joe Plebian
Posted by Smaknstein
on Mon 30 Jun 2008 at 10:43 PM
BTW, I liked the article. It sounds like it was written by a journalism student who hasn't sold his soul yet.
Posted by DryFact
on Mon 30 Jun 2008 at 10:47 PM
This article is so full of truth and logical thinking that it does not seem like it should be unusual! But from what I have read and heard few people have taken a common sense approach in discussing the situation. Thanks. I feel better for having read it!
Posted by JDS
on Mon 30 Jun 2008 at 11:36 PM
I am so glad that we have really smart guys like Zachary Roth of the Columbia Journalism Review (the what?) who can see all these things that the rest of us 9 year olds are unable to see.
Gosh, he is just so smart. I wish I understood Logic 101 as much as this guy. I bet he served in the military. I bet he is a decorated officer and just understands all of this so much better than the rest of us.
Thank you so much for finding this guy. His intellectual elitist myopia really set the record straight for me...
Zachary, did you actually watch the interview?
Posted by Matt
on Tue 1 Jul 2008 at 12:20 AM
Funny that when Wes Clark was running for President 4 years ago his own combat experience was not only relevant, it was the central theme of his campaign.
Boy, Zach, you really uncovered all the stones here. The fact that Wes Clark is simply twisting his own logic according to the political winds seems totally lost on you.
According to this logic, Wes Clark had no qualifications to be President. He claims to have commanded the air war in Kosovo, but that is not true. He was not even in the Theater of Operations. In fact, he had to be reprimanded by Secretary Cohen for giving unauthorized briefings.
I urge you all to look at the Wikipedia entry for Wes Clark, specifically on his own role in the Kosovo conflict.
Wes Clark came off as petty and hypocritical because he invalidated the very logic he himself used as a platform for HIS own campaign.
Zach, I suggest you go back to class. You missed an awful lot of the deeper story here...sorry.
Posted by Matt
on Tue 1 Jul 2008 at 12:26 AM
So, do you think if a poll was given that the American people would say that having served in combat would make one perhaps more attuned to the issues of being a Commander-in-Chief and send young men into battle?
Would they agree that perhaps suffering torture in captivity would make one more attuned to the sensitivity of our treatment of enemy combatants at Guantanamo?
Would they perhaps believe that the physical courage of the man in the cockpit, tasked with pushing the button, evading the SAMs over the target is somehow more demonstrative of character than the commander who sits in an air-conditioned bunker drawing X's on a map?
Would they say that maybe that Clark's notion that McCain "Hasn't been there to make the decision to drop the bombs" is not a strange statement given that McCain was over the target, saw the enemy on the ground and had to push the button with his own fingers and watch the bombs hit, see the death and destruction with his own eyes, return to base then get up and do it all over again?
Zach, are you, in all your worldly wisdom that I am sure the Columbia campus has bestowed upon you, capable of answering these questions?
Apparently not.
Posted by Matt
on Tue 1 Jul 2008 at 12:39 AM
What's really disappointing is even the political analysis, which the MSM decided to focus on, was pretty faulty this time. Chuck Todd et. al., who I usually find insightful on the 'horse race' aspect of the campaign, really blew it. They wrote, “American politics can’t quite get beyond this question: Just how big a military hero were you?”
In fact, in three of the last four Presidential elections, a genuine war hero ran against a candidate with, at best, a questionable service record. In each case, the war hero (George H. W. Bush, Bob Dole, John Kerry) lost to the boomer. Seems Americans have gotten beyond the question of war heroism.
Posted by Organizer B
on Tue 1 Jul 2008 at 12:43 AM
Zach, my last comment...
Does Wes Clark's comment that McCain is "untested and untried" count as a political attack?
Does his comment that McCain has no executive experience count as an attack?
Does his comment that McCain has never had to make tough decisions ("Hasn't been there to make the decision to drop the bombs") not constitute as an attack?
Is Wes Clark's assertion that McCain's command of a naval squadron is unremarkable because that squadron was not at war count as an attack?
Wesley Clark is attacking the notion that his service is relevant to the debate. I cannot honestly believe that a Columbia education would prevent one from saying that possibly it might be relevant. But Wes Clark says it is not relevant, we should not even discuss it.
Wes Clark was not questioning anything. His comments were not interrogative, they were declarative. They were not questions, they were statements. I hope that you know the difference, but your article suggests that you do not.
Obviously Wes Clark was in attack mode, any 9 year old can see that. Any rhetorical novice can see that he is attempting to diminish the relevance of McCain's service in his comments.
So this is not tantamount to an attack on the the relevance of his service?
Do you really expect us 9 year old dolts to believe that? Honestly?
One bit of advice, do not try to get mileage by insulting the intelligence of everyone else. Journalists actually know very little about most things they report on. You diminish your credibility when you imply that somehow you are bestowed with some special knowledge that the rest of the world is too stupid to understand.
It comes off as elitist and arrogant. You do not want that if you intend to persuade people that your opinion is correct. It smacks of the ad hominem attacks that I have demonstrated for you. I mock you a little in my comments to reinforce this basic point. Did my mocking of you persuade you that I am right? Of course not, you probably are a bit defensive and dismissive of anything I say.
Do you see how this works? Don't insult your audience.
Posted by Matt
on Tue 1 Jul 2008 at 12:54 AM
"He had questioned the relevance of McCain’s combat experience as a qualification to be president of the United States."
He did not question, he stated it was NOT a qualification. Use correct descriptive terminology in your writing.
"Clark’s comments may (or may not) have been impolitic. But that has no bearing on their validity or lack thereof—which is how the news media should be evaluating them."
Which of these journalists that you cited were questioning the validity of these statements? I am not seeing you quote that anywhere. Who is it that said these comments are "invalid"?
You have just engaged in the same tactics you are criticizing others for...you are creating a false strawman statement that nobody actually made.
You also seem to fail in distinguishing political commentators from reporters. Commentators are supposed to evaluate the political acuity of these statements. Where is it written in stone that this is not their purview? Please, enlighten us! I think it is exactly what they are supposed to do, because they are doing exactly that. Readers seem to want them to evaluate the tactics involved, that is why the write what they do.
Reporters are supposed to be objective, and therefore should not question political acuity.
But all your examples are from commentators, not reporters. You would actually have a point if you had cited political reporters for say, the AP or some other objective source.
Commentators and pundits are there to do exactly what you say they should not do.
So then, whose job is it to comment on the political acuity of these tactics? Is that also up to you?
I love the rhetorical tap dancing you are engaging in. So, diminishing the relevance of military service is not a veiled attack on the relevance of that candidate?
Your Clintonesque meanderings are quite inventive..
Posted by Matt
on Tue 1 Jul 2008 at 01:17 AM
"the NBC team couldn’t resist playing political consultants, pronouncing that Clark’s comments “weren’t helpful at all to the Obama campaign,” without bothering to consider whether Clark’s argument might make sense. "
FYI: Interpretive advice from the 9 year olds...
"Weren't helpful" is code for "this guy is not making sense."
Us 9 year old's were able to connect the dots that you could not. Every one of these guys thinks that Clark is pretty much an idiot, because his argument really makes no sense. The vast majority seem to feel that military service makes one more qualified to be Commander-In-Chief. Clark thought so as well at one point.
You are under the impression that nobody is evaluating the sensibility of these statements. They are and have. You simply were unable to discern it.
I will put it simply. They all pretty much agree that Clark made a pretty poor argument. More to the point, he is an idiot.
They just did not say it in stark terms so as to avoid the perception of bias.
If you need any more help in interpreting the English language, you let me know.
Posted by Matt
on Tue 1 Jul 2008 at 01:33 AM
"Not a very high bar for sophistication. But right now it’s one the press isn’t capable of clearing."
Yes, but why? Why is it incapable? Have a view on it?
As for "the press’s unbelievably destructive habit of assessing every piece of campaign rhetoric for its political acuity, rather than for its validity and accuracy," I agree with the observation. But the press seems incapable of changing that, as well.
Have you thought about why? This unbelievably destructive habit isn't new, nor is criticism of it new. I'd bet you can find it in the columns of CJR's Campaign Desk from 2004.
I think we have to conclude that such criticism has no effect, but for a reason. What is the reason?
Posted by Jay Rosen
on Tue 1 Jul 2008 at 11:45 AM
"Not a very high bar for sophistication. But right now it’s one the press isn’t capable of clearing."
Yes, but why? Why is it incapable? Have a view on it?
As for "the press’s unbelievably destructive habit of assessing every piece of campaign rhetoric for its political acuity, rather than for its validity and accuracy," I agree with the observation. But the press seems incapable of changing that, as well.
Have you thought about why? This unbelievably destructive habit isn't new, nor is criticism of it new. I'd bet you can find it in the columns of CJR's Campaign Desk from 2004.
I think we have to conclude that such criticism has no effect, but for a reason. What is the reason?
Posted by Jay Rosen
on Tue 1 Jul 2008 at 12:05 PM
Couple things here. First of all, Clark is right, McCain’s military career does not make him uniquely qualified in any way to be POTUS. But then again, who besides the democrats are making this point? The only thing that Clark should apologize for, not even that its necessary, is that he made himself look like a retard on national TV for arguing that as a senator, McCain had no executive experience and as such wasn’t well suited for the POTUS, leaving the viewers to wonder how Obama, who also has no executive experience is any more qualified.
McCain’s career in the Navy, as well as his POW status and behavior during that imprisonment is certainly something many people admire about him, but I have never heard either McCain or one of his campaign surrogates stating that his experience in the Navy alone makes him more qualified, despite what Mr. Roth has written above.
Note to Mr Roth, if you are going to make an asinine statement like that, its usually good to have a link or something.
I mean, its not like that fraud John Kerry standing up at the 2004 DNC convention saluting the crowd and mumbling “Reporting for Duty”, if that wasn’t the biggest, most opportunistic and crass move I have ever seen (especially considering Kerry’s and VVAW’s hard work at vilifying veterans after he got back).
The one thing this sordid little story illustrates is Obama’s willingness to, once again, throw anyone under the bus who brings him even a sentence of bad press. But I suppose that “this wasn’t the Wes Clark I knew”.
Another thing this illustrates is Mr. Roth’s tenaciousness when reverting the “Must ... Defend ... Barack ... Obama” that he has displayed in nearly every article he has written here.
Posted by TDC
on Tue 1 Jul 2008 at 02:25 PM
Why has "Manchurian Candidate" not been mentioned in this discussion? I don't bring it up because I think John McCain, specifically, has had narco-hypnotism used on him, and he doesn't remember; I bring it up because decades of research by the CIA and pals seem to indicate that a prisoner, in general, can be narco-hypnotized and not remember it.
Posted by xochi
on Tue 1 Jul 2008 at 03:21 PM
Why has "Manchurian Candidate" not been mentioned in this discussion? I don't bring it up because I think John McCain, specifically, has had narco-hypnotism used on him, and he doesn't remember; I bring it up because decades of research by the CIA and pals seem to indicate that a prisoner, in general, can be narco-hypnotized and not remember it.
Posted by xochi
on Tue 1 Jul 2008 at 03:21 PM
Real Journalism still exists! Very nice job, Zachary.
Posted by aguy
on Tue 1 Jul 2008 at 03:23 PM
Real Journalism still exists! Very nice job, Zachary.
Posted by aguy
on Tue 1 Jul 2008 at 03:24 PM