CNN’s Lou Dobbs has been drawing a lot of attention lately for his passionate arguments in favor of stronger immigration enforcement. In a New York Times profile on Wednesday, Dobbs told the paper, “I know whereof I speak on the political economy. I don’t come to a conclusion out of thin air because of some partisan or ideological viewpoint, but rather with an analysis of the facts.”
But on the special Wednesday edition of Lou Dobbs Tonight originating from Cancun, Mexico — trumpeted in advance by CNN as “Three heads of state and one tough reporter who says it’s time for answers [on immigration]. Lou Dobbs is crossing the border in hot pursuit of those answers” — the anchor got careless with one of the central facts of the debate: Exactly how many immigrants are in the U.S. illegally.
Dobbs first referred to “the 11 to 20 million illegal aliens in the United States,” and then, squaring off against Hector Flores, president of the League of United Latin American Citizens, he said, “Let’s talk about the reality of it. … The number, 11 million, 20 million, by one study. Should there be amnesty for all of them?” Next he asked viewers to vote in an online poll: “Do you believe that the illegal employers of the 11 to 20 million illegal aliens in the United States should be granted amnesty?”
After reiterating his view that “there are as many as 20 million illegal aliens living in the United States,” mostly immigrants from Mexico, Dobbs introduced his final guest, John Trasvina of the Mexican-American Legal Defense and Education Fund, who, as Dobbs aptly put it, “says no one responsible estimates the number of illegal aliens that high”:
Dobbs: John, good to have you with us.
Trasvina: Hello, Lou. Being in Cancun has mellowed you some. It’s a good thing.
Dobbs: It is a very good thing. It hasn’t, however, changed the facts or the issues or the critical and urgent nature of them. John, how many illegal aliens do you estimate, since you reject the Bear Stearns study that extrapolated that as many as 20 million illegal aliens last year were living in the United States?
Trasvina: Well, the most authoritative study says 11 million or 12 million. … So 20 million is very exaggerated.
As the sun set in Cancun, Dobbs responded with an even more blasé treatment of the numbers.
“And the scale … 12 million, 20 million, 15 million,” he said, throwing up his hands both literally and figuratively. “The fact is that is a huge number of people to be in our country without the permission of this government representing American citizens.”
Dobbs gets half a point for at least stating that there is a range of estimates. But which one is the best?
Estimating the number of immigrants in the U.S. illegally is an inexact science, to be sure. But Dobbs seems quite alone in his belief that “there are as many as 20 million illegal aliens living in the United States.” Every major newspaper in the country that has reported a number over the past several days — from the Wall Street Journal (subscription required) to the Los Angeles Times to the Boston Herald to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch — has given an estimate of about 11 million or 12 million. Not one has produced a higher number supporting Dobbs.
Most papers reporting the story haven’t given a source for the estimate; however, it does line up with the population statistics of the government and with a study by the nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center. But Dobbs’ uncritical embrace of Bear Stearns’ 20 million figure is more confounding.
In a January 2005 paper (200K PDF), Bear Stearns dismissed the government’s estimate as “incomplete,” looking instead at “several micro trends at the community level.” Based on a high number of border crossings and on “very dramatic increases” in the usage of social services such as school enrollments, foreign remittances, and housing permits in a small sample of immigrant gateway communities, Bear Stearns, applying the high rate of growth it saw in those areas to the rest of the country, argued that the number of illegal immigrants “may be as high as 20 million people.”
The study was heavy on extrapolation and light on the large-scale demographic data needed to prove such a contrarian assertion. Common sense suggests that the number of illegal immigrants in the country would tend to be underestimated, but Bear Stearns’ analysis is far from convincing, or conclusive.
We are inclined to believe the much more comprehensive analysis of the Pew Hispanic Center, which reported there were 11.1 million unauthorized migrants in the U.S. in March 2005 and (in perhaps the authoritative study Trasvina referred to) gave “an estimate of 11.5 to 12 million for the unauthorized population as of March 2006.”
Dobbs’ suggestion that somehow Bear Stearns’ estimate is just as valid as the better-grounded lower estimates (“11 to 20 million”) just doesn’t stand up to close scrutiny.





The WSJ and the LAT are strong supporters of massive immigration, legal or illegal. So, I wouldn't exactly hold them forth as examples of Truth in Immigration coverage. No doubt a large number of the other papers who've mentioned a figure have also published pro-illegal immigration propaganda in the past.
I'm inclined to believe the Bear Stearns study if only because I live in Los Angeles.
Posted by BigMediaBlog on Fri 31 Mar 2006 at 11:45 PM
Well, when you look at the fact that Dobbs made known whose numbers he was citing, it's not Dobbs that played fast/loose, it was his source.
Yes, there are a lot of disparate sources out there, and it boils down to which source with the larger credibility. Undocumented workers are, by definition, people without documentation and give that, NO source of numbers have reliable information, only guesstimates.
Your source by which you compare Dobbs' numbers is no more reliable than his source.
Illegal immigration was quite the hot topic on all talking-head Sunday programs today and the pro-illegal faction hastens to say that with millions of illegals already here, nothing can really be done after the fact.
I'm saying yes, there is--offering amnesty and full citizenship to the migrant who turns in his boss for full prosecution, for breaking immigrant hiring laws, for violating OSHA laws, for violating overtime/minimum wage/benefits laws, and the law that offers such amnesty should also shut down the entire enterprise that hired the illegals.
Posted by Clara Listensprechen on Sun 2 Apr 2006 at 12:20 PM
To someone with an axe to grind, continually citing "11 to 20 million" is the same thing as saying "20 million" over and over again.
Posted by Xanthippas on Thu 6 Apr 2006 at 11:01 AM
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ON THE LOOSE AT MCDONALDS
Recently I made a valid complaint to McDonalds customer services dept. about McDonalds poor standards at thier Harben Parade branch at Swiss Cottage, London NW3. The complaint concerned slow service, abrasive attitudes, and matters about unacceptable hygeine standards.
The complaint was passed on to the store by customer services, following which the store's manager, Bakry, promptly banned me from the store. He did not deny that my complaint was valid, but was told that I was banned simply becauseI I had made the complaint in the first place. Their management team consists entirely of immigrants, having come here on dodgy visas and the like, and all of which in favour of my ban, which shows how much we are now under the control of illegal immigrants.
Perhaps this is consistent with McDonalds training practices. It would appear that you have to accept their adverse practices without question or suffer the consequences, as I myself did.
Posted by jeremylee on Fri 26 Sep 2008 at 05:22 AM
HELLO LOU , AS YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE THE SAME SURNAMES , IM IN MY 70S,SO IS MY WIFE WE HAVE JUST CELEBRATED OUR 50 TH WEDDING ANNEVERSARY,WE ARE ENGLISH ,BUT WE BOUGHT A LOVELY HOME HERE 8 YEARS AGO , AND WE WOULD LIKE TO BECOME AMERICAN CITIZENS IE GREEN CARD , BUT WE ARE TOLD WE HAVE NO CHANCE ,WE HAVE HAD OUR HOME FOR OVER 8 YEARS AND WE ARE GETTING TIRED OF KEEP GOING BACK AND FORTH TO ENGLAND , WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY WHILE WE ARE HERE , WE WERE IN BUSINESS ALL OUT WORKING LIVES SO WE WNAT NOTHING FROM THE USA GOVERMENT EXCEPT THE GREEN CARD ,WE ARE NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO ENTER THE LOTTERY BECAUSE WE ARE ENGLISH , YET WE STAND SIDE BY SIDE WITH AMERICA AT TIMES OF WAR , PLEASE ANSWER MY EMAIL ,WE ALWAYS WATCH YOU ON TV, YOURS SINCERELY , JOHN DOBBS,
Posted by john dobbs on Tue 14 Jul 2009 at 11:23 AM