My post refuting some of the nonsense going around about the new AP initiative on copyright kicked up a bit of a storm in comments over the weekend, and I was called an “apologist” for and “mouthpiece” of AP for printing it.
The key point of my post, again, was this: The AP is not going to go after me or you for doing what I’m about to do here, which is link to one of its stories and quote from it:
The Associated Press is moving ahead with plans for a system to detect unlicensed use of its content and potentially create new ways for the 163-year-old news cooperative and other media to make more money on the Internet.
As part of a strategy approved Thursday by the AP’s board, the cooperative will start by bundling its text stories in an “informational wrapper” that will include a built-in beacon to monitor where stories go on the Internet.
If I started doing this kind of link and quote for every story the AP publishes, then we’d have a problem. That’s what the AP doesn’t like: Sites that systematically use its content to draw traffic and sell ads against it.
“Systematically” is not my word, but the AP’s itself. Jane Seagrave, the AP’s senior vice president for global product development who talked to me on Friday, used it in a follow-up email sent after I asked the AP to review my post and tell me if I misunderstood what it was doing:
I thought (you) did a great job of synthesizing our conversation and quoted me accurately. I don’t see any inconsistency. We do believe all our content has value, and the focus of our efforts is on the bad actors who systematically misappropriate it without permission and make money off it without payment. We have no intention of sending out the troops to stamp out individual use of our content.
Much of the to-do has come from this paragraph in a New York Times story on Friday:
Tom Curley, The A.P.’s president and chief executive, said the company’s position was that even minimal use of a news article online required a licensing agreement with the news organization that produced it. In an interview, he specifically cited references that include a headline and a link to an article, a standard practice of search engines like Google, Bing and Yahoo, news aggregators and blogs.
You’ll note that this is a paraphrase of Curley’s comments. In response to a specific question about this paragraph, the AP tells me it does not apply to individual bloggers—that Curley meant this in the context of systematic appropriation of content. Bloggers won’t have to get a license to use AP content in the manner I did above.
One of the good questions raised about all this is how much money piracy of its stories really costs the AP. I don’t have a clue. The AP told me at least “tens of millions of dollars” but it didn’t have a solid estimate. Today’s New York Times has a story about a journalism-piracy cop called Attributor, which did a study that purported to find that the twenty-five publishers it studied lost an estimated $250 million from “unauthorized copying.”
Take that $250 million number with a salt shaker since it comes from a company trying to build a business in combating such stuff.
But that doesn’t mean there’s no money in the area. The AP itself won a settlement last week from a site called All Headline News, which had workers rewriting AP copy and publishing it. If that company was able to pay for relatively labor-intensive work like that, there’s probably revenue there. How much is a legitimate question—but one I don’t know how to answer.
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All I can say is: According the AP fair use is four words
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080617/0740561432.shtml
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Sorry but I don't think that any company gets to arbitrarily re-write the rules to prop up a dying business model and management ineptitude and lack of foresight.
The AP wants to take by threat of litigation that to which they have no entitlement.
#1 Posted by News Dispundit, CJR on Mon 27 Jul 2009 at 07:06 PM
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AP tells me it does not apply to individual bloggers—that Curley meant this in the context of systematic appropriation of content. Bloggers won’t have to get a license to use AP content in the manner I did above.
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My take away from this statement was that the AP won't go after you if you don't have money... but gosh darn it if you have money we're going to go after it.
There is nothing more dangerous than a desperate company and the AP looks might desperate indeed.
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#2 Posted by Free The Press, CJR on Mon 27 Jul 2009 at 07:19 PM
Ryan,
You fail to quote Curley saying the NYT story is inaccurate. Again. Do you really expect us to take the word of a mouthpiece when, to judge from your reporting, the executive in question hasn't said a word about the NYT story's accuracy?
There are three options:
(1) Curley's statements were mischaracterized by the NYT.
(2) Curley was accurately characterized, but he was wrong about his own company. Highly unlikely.
(3) Curley was accurately characterized, but AP is telling different stories to different people to create FUD. Companies have been known to play this game by misleading gullible reporters.
So which is it?
If you keep ignoring this central issue, it will increasingly look like you've been played for a sucker, by a double-talking company, and are just too embarrassed to admit it. Not a good performance for someone who critiques media errors.
I hope you will take the time to get Curley on the record and get an unequivocal answer one way of the other -- like you should have done in your first story.
#3 Posted by Bradley J. Fikes, CJR on Mon 27 Jul 2009 at 10:05 PM
Bradley,
I'm sorry, but those aren't the only three options.
This is not an either/or situation on the NYT graf. It's clear to me that the AP's legal stance is that any use requires permission. That's boilerplate corporate ass-covering.
But the AP says--clearly and on the record, not by a "mouthpiece," but by the person who heads up the program--that it will only apply the licensing requirement to people who "systematically" use its content to make money or who repurpose it "wholesale."
It will not go after individual use of its content like my example in this post. It's not going to go after bloggers. It wants bloggers to do their thing and tip their stories.
That's the entire point of my post.
#4 Posted by Ryan Chittum, CJR on Tue 28 Jul 2009 at 02:27 PM
Ryan,
"This is not an either/or situation on the NYT graf. It's clear to me that the AP's legal stance is that any use requires permission. That's boilerplate corporate ass-covering."
No, that's you once again making excuses for AP. Curley was described as saying the same thing in the NYT article you claim to have disproven. Now you've all but admitted he was correctly portrayed.
" But the AP says--clearly and on the record, not by a 'mouthpiece,' but by the person who heads up the program--that it will only apply the licensing requirement to people who 'systematically' use its content to make money or who repurpose it 'wholesale.' "
None of this has been confirmed by Curley, who you are so uninterested in talking to.
And the AP gets to make the definitions, while retaining the right to sue anyone who so much as as links to a headline. Yes, that's really reassuring - just trust AP, even though they claim the right to sue your ass for anything you use. I guess you're not very concerned about operating under that framework, which could be used by any uncooperative source. One would have thought a professional journalist would be more concerned with reporters' rights.
AP, meanwhile, has retreated into corporate stonewalling: http://daggle.com/ap-were-done-1151
While some journalists are trying to get an answer from the top, instead of an underling, you're content to repeat AP's PR line.
#5 Posted by Bradley J. Fikes, CJR on Tue 28 Jul 2009 at 06:58 PM