In what FT Alphaville called “the most excruciating bank conference call we’ve ever heard,” press favorite Jamie Dimon announced last week that JPMorgan Chase has lost more than $2 billion on bad derivatives bets made by its chief investment office. It could (meaning, it probably will) lose more than that. On Thursday, we were told up to another billion. By today, that was up to $2 billion.
These are big number, but this story is far more important than a measly two or four billion bucks (isn’t it scary how big numbers seem small after the trillions thrown around in the financial crisis?).
JPMorgan was the last man standing after the crisis, or so it would like you to think. It didn’t need bailouts from meddlesome Washington politicians, or so Dimon said. It just took them because it was its patriotic duty. Cue “Stars and Stripes Forever.”
As the only senior banker on Wall Street with half a whit of credibility left, it fell to Dimon to be frontman for its stunningly effective anti-regulation fight. He was particularly fierce about the Volcker Rule. That rule, heavily watered down by the Wall Street lobby and the Congresspeople they fund, is intended to keep taxpayer-insured banks from engaging in proprietary trading—a Wall Street for “betting.” Seriously implemented, the Volcker Rule would have prevented the massive losses JPMorgan sustained here.
Now Dimon’s and JPM’s credibility is seriously tarnished. The question is whether it’s too late to affect the financial reform he has so opposed. We’ll see.
Dimon looks particularly bad because even after the news broke, he called the issue a “complete tempest in a teapot.” Less than four weeks later that nothingburger had cost his bank nearly a tenth of its market value—$13 billion—in one day.
More important, it has shown clearly how flimsy Dimon’s anti-regulatory arguments really are.
And it’s a nice win for the business press, which uncovered the story (before Dimon understood its import, at least according to him), explained why it mattered, and kept on it. Dimon himself, when asked what he would have done differently, said that he should have paid more attention to the press reports.
Those reports kicked off when Bloomberg News broke the story with a brief piece on April 5 and The Wall Street Journal posted its already-in-the-works page-one story shortly thereafter.
I noted on April 6, Bloomberg was miffed then that the Journal didn’t credit it with the scoop. I don’t like scoop squabbles, much less adjudicating them, but the market-moving nature of this one makes it something of a different beast, and the fact that Bloomberg and the Journal are still tussling over credit shows just how big the story is.
The Journal implied in the second paragraph of a page-one story on Friday that the scoop was its own. The Journal didn’t find out about the London Whale from Bloomberg—its story was already reported, I’m told. The Journal was the first to report that Bruno Iksil was called the London Whale and that his trading made JPMorgan some $100 million a year. Its story contained the critical detail, absent in Bloomberg’s initial report, that Iskil was in the bank’s chief investment office. But in the high-stakes market-news game, first is first. The Journal scooped critical details of the story, but Bloomberg gets the credit for first reporting Iksil’s massive bets.
For the purposes of the public interest, however, which is what The Audit ultimately cares about, Bloomberg and the WSJ both win here. They were both on an important story at the same time and both have done fine work on it since (as have the Financial Times and others).
Now shake hands and play ball. It’s good work all around.

Why, exactly, does a bank loss make anti-regulatory arguments "flimsy"?
What happened here? A publicly owned company had a trading loss that was well within its ability to absorb. No public bailout needed. The people responsible are fired, immediately.
It looks to me like the system worked very well in this case.
#1 Posted by JLD, CJR on Mon 14 May 2012 at 07:50 PM
Yeah...
Big damned deal... Investment loses money... People held accountable. Taxpayers unaffected..
Stop the damned presses!
If a company loses money, the lefties want the Gubmint to step in.
If a company makes money, the lefties want the Gubmint to step in.
The very notion of a free populace engaging in voluntary financial transactions without the Gubmint supervising them drives lefties off the deep end.
Despite the abject failure of every government-run economy that ever existed anywhere in the Universe, these daft loonies believe that the Gubmint can operate business better and more efficiently than the private sector can.
See.... Workers demanding better wages is good and natural. It isn't "greed".
Consumers demanding lower prices and better value is good and natural. That isn't "greed" either.
Citizens demanding free Band Aids and Snickers bars from the Gubmint also isn't "greed"...
And OWS bums smoking dope, banging on drums and demanding other people's stuff isn't "greed" either.
But an investor demanding the maximum return on his investment? Now THAT is "GREED" according to these nutsos.
The very essence of this liberal stupidity is the supposition that underclass will stay safely and permanently on the other side of the tracks, while those like Ryan and Thimbles who deem themselves smarter than the mere minions run their affairs for them from SoHo coops or Seattle studios.
#2 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Mon 14 May 2012 at 11:24 PM
Apparently shadow markets that cause 2 billion dollars in losses to the 'best of the best' of risk managers and have forced bailouts in recent years to the tune of trillions (close to for AIG alone) are okay with the libertarians.
It's especially nice when they're quasi-deposit institutions, deposits which are government insured when the MOU's decide to risk them on bets on bets.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/opinion/nocera-make-banking-boring.html
"We know that JPMorgan, awash in taxpayer-insured deposits, took some of that money — around $62 billion at last count — and decided to invest it in corporate debt, which had the potential to generate higher returns than, say, old-fashioned loans. Citigroup and Bank of America, chastened by the financial crisis in ways that JPMorgan was not, had far less invested in such securities.
We know that JPMorgan’s chief investment office, which had orchestrated the debt purchases, decided to hedge the entire portfolio by selling credit default swaps against a corporate bond index. You remember our old friends, credit default swaps, don’t you? Three years ago, they nearly brought down the financial world. Not content with its hedge, it then hedged against the hedge. It was all very complex, of course, and all done in the name of “risk management.”
We also know that Ina Drew, a JPMorgan veteran who headed the chief investment office — and who departed on Monday — made $14 million last year. Wall Street executives who make $14 million are not risk managers. They are risk takers — big ones. And genuine hedging activity does not cost financial institutions billions of dollars in losses: their sole purpose is to protect against big losses. What causes giant losses are giant, unhedged bets, something we also learned in the fall of 2008.
Thus, the final thing we know: At JPMorgan, nothing changed."
Libertarians have no problem with this and believe the government should stop snooping about.
And it shows you how far off the deep end these guys are when Jamie Dimon can't even agree - 2 billion dollars in losses later:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-05-13/dimon-says-jpmorgan-loss-gives-ammunition-to-regulators
“Of course regulators should look at something like this,” Dimon told “Meet the Press.” “It’s their job.”
Not according to Padi and JLD.
#3 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 15 May 2012 at 12:03 PM
Me? I'm a believer in dumb simple laws that make banking safe, like Glass Steagall.
http://baselinescenario.com/2012/05/11/jp-morgan-debacle-reveals-fatal-flaw-in-federal-reserve-thinking/
"And the regulators also have no idea about what is going on. Attempts to oversee these banks in a sophisticated and nuanced way are not working...
we need much higher capital requirements and much simpler rules – focus on limiting leverage. Big banks should be forced to become smaller – small enough and simple enough to fail.
It is time for the Federal Reserve to move its policy on these issues."
Because, with big banks, you get a TBTF guarantee for a big enterprise that will be more efficient and profitable than smaller one.
Benefits which have yet to be proven true:
http://baselinescenario.com/2009/10/26/are-big-banks-better/
even by the best of the best.
#4 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 15 May 2012 at 12:20 PM
Thimbles wrote: Apparently shadow markets that cause 2 billion dollars in losses...
padikiller notes: It also caused 2 billion dollars in gains. Those dollars went to the people who made good decisions and came from people who made bad decisions.
Thimbles continues: and have forced bailouts in recent years
padikiller responds: Nothing "forced" a bailout except for Gubmint stupidity.
Let's following this Thimbilistically Chittumistic reasoning....
We need the Gubmint to supervise JP Morgan because the Gubmint is insuring them...
How about NOT INSURING THEM?!
Once again.. The REALITY is that every single government-run economy that has ever existed has ended in ruin, famine, despair and desolation. PERIOD.
This is just the way it is, guys.
Your faith in Gubmint intervention is misplaced and ludicrous.
#5 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Tue 15 May 2012 at 12:26 PM
When we talk about the various bailouts, it's helpful to compare and contrast the cost to taxpayers:
AIG - 0$ (the GAO now thinks we may make a profit, plus 100% return of funds)
TARP - est cost $32 billion of $700 billion total
Obama stimulus package - $831 billion cost to taxpayers
Fannie / Freddie - est $238 billion cost, not including liquidity facilities.
Bailouts to private industry: 95+% returned, total cost $32 billion or less.
Bailouts to government industries: 0% returned, total costs exceed $1 trillion.
No, I'm not happy with the $32 billion TARP loss but it looks like a rounding error in comparison to the Stimulus and Fannie boondoggles.
#6 Posted by JLD, CJR on Tue 15 May 2012 at 09:17 PM
"AIG - 0$ (the GAO now thinks we may make a profit, plus 100% return of funds)"
That's not what the GAO report says. You have some creative accounting, sales of securities (maiden lane III) which were purchased in order to to unwind AIG CDS's on those securities, and very special tax breaks, to give the impression that the public cost is zero.
http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-12-574
http://business.time.com/2011/05/25/bailout-wonder-how-the-government-turned-a-profit-on-aig/
It turns out my off the cuff remark about the AIG cost was wrong, but let's not go crazy about how right these bailouts were.
"TARP - est cost $32 billion of $700 billion
total Obama stimulus package - $831 billion
cost to taxpayers Fannie / Freddie - est $238 billion cost, not including liquidity facilities."
And let's not play games with "look at how awesome the private sector did compared to the public sector!" while the private sector was hooked to the public sector's money hoses.
Freddy and Fannie were about as private before the crisis as JP Morgan and Citigroup are now. They all have the implicit backing of government and receive reduced costs of borrowing because of it. Freddy and Fannie post-crisis have become public tools used to bailout private banks, much like AIG was. You cannot say "see? look at how super duper the private sector is at management" when the strategy of the private sector is to become so big that a collapse of a single entity could wreck the whole system, therefore they can take big risks and either keep the profits or push the losses onto public balance sheets and grab another loan from the fed for more gambling.
Come on guys, you have to know that without the government the whole financial system as it stands would implode. The only question to ask is should we let it implode, and take the global banking system with it, or should we use policy to strengthen it, by making the system less dependent on 'single pillars' like JP Morgan and limiting the types of risks they can take with our deposits. (which I expect to be insured, thank you very much)
We've seen what happens when the government atlas shrugs, it was called the great depression, it was called 2008 Lehman Brothers crash.
Instead of putting the government in the position of cleaning up broken financial systems, let's take steps to prevent the system from breaking. We had rules that worked for 40 to 50 years after the depression.
Is doing the right thing just too radical now-a-days?
#7 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 16 May 2012 at 01:03 PM
Here's a review of some finance history:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/01/wall-street-big-finance-lobbyists
And how it gets difficult to restrain this sector when we let it capture increasing amounts of profits and fund increasing amount of politics:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/15/peter-peterson-foundation-half-billion-social-security-cuts_n_1517805.html
Suddenly, it's not the financial system sucking on the teats of government which imposes a huge public cost. After one guy spends half a friggin BILLION, it's social security and medicare which threatens the workd as we know it.
"According to a review of tax documents from 2007 through 2011, Peterson has personally contributed at least $458 million to the Peter G. Peterson Foundation to cast Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and government spending as in a state of crisis, in desperate need of dramatic cuts. Peterson's millions have done next to nothing to change public opinion: In survey after survey, Americans reject the idea of cutting Social Security and Medicare. A recent national tour organized by AmericaSpeaks and largely funded by the Peter G. Peterson Foundation was met by audiences who rebuffed his proposals.
But Peterson has been able to drive a major shift in elite consensus about government spending, with talk of "grand bargains" that would slash entitlements, cut corporate tax rates and end personal tax breaks, such as the mortgage deduction, that benefit the middle class.
To put Peterson's spending in context, all corporations and unions combined spent less than $4 billion on lobbying in 2011."
It's not a fair fight when the values of the public get less influence than the values of one or two guys who have a few billion to throw around - so they insure their right to shave a few trillion of national GDP (and pay near zero tax on the proceeds) AND THEN claim government protection when it all goes to pot.
This is what libertarians believe in.
#8 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 16 May 2012 at 01:16 PM
Thimbles, I'd be very happy to see the government get out of the loan guarantee business. Otherwise as you've discovered my argument stands. The private sector has used less taxpayer funds, about 2% of that allotted to government bailouts and stimulus.
And of course no one on the Left spends anything like Peterson on influence (cough... Soros... cough). Those darn capitalists!
#9 Posted by JLD, CJR on Thu 17 May 2012 at 04:58 AM
Sign me up for getting the Gubmint out of the insurance business too!
Thimbles is onto something here... Finally!
#10 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Thu 17 May 2012 at 11:12 AM
"Thimbles, I'd be very happy to see the government get out of the loan guarantee business."
Which you are never going to see while these guys are allowed to make "profits" using undisclosed methods in unregulated markets and then plow that money back into the political system.
"Otherwise as you've discovered my argument stands."
Yeah, I guess it does. If your argument is that private entities perform better than public ones when private entities can push their bad assets onto the balance sheets of public ones (just as the asset market cools and as part of the design of private bailouts) then yes, you win a prize. If your argument is that public entities are more liable to be used to soften the public's pain over under water mortgages through programs like HARP while private entities (who wrote the majority of bad mortgages by failing to do the most basic steps of careful underwriting, remember) are using whatever tools are at their disposal to SCREW the public to extract profits, then yeah, private entities are better at making more money.
So are you making the argument that public entities should be as blood thirsty as private ones? That we need more criminal enterprises extracting wealth from under water home owners, investors, pensions, etc like we have in the private sector?
I mean Christ, Walmart makes more money than FEMA, does that mean walmart is better than FEMA when a tornado rips through the neighborhood?*
(The answer is yes, when a republican is in charge, you are better off with walmart. If that's how you think things ought to be, vote third world america, vote republican.)
#11 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Thu 17 May 2012 at 04:54 PM
Thimbles, I actually clicked through on your bizarre, obscene link, which among other things fantasizes about giving Clinton a blow job. Was that intended to address my argument in any way?
#12 Posted by JLD, CJR on Thu 17 May 2012 at 08:41 PM
I addressed your argument in several ways before the 'Rude Pundit' link - the name should have been a hint of its "bizarre, obscene" content - and you seem more inclined to distract than to defend.
The meaning of the link was to illustrate how conservatives run government badly and then use their performance as evidence of how government runs bad.
Yes, FEMA is ineffective under conservatives, unlike when it was vastly more effective under conservative-lites like Clinton.
Yes, the bailouts of the private enterprise have been paid back more than those of public enterprise, unlike when private enterprise was taking massive risks and bankrupting the system under conservatives.
Yes, public stimulus has not been paid back since it was paid out in tax cuts and fire fighter salaries, unlike the bailouts to banks which were mainly paid back because of salary and bonus restrictions put in place by oh, not conservatives.
You make the argument that these businesses can watch themselves after watching JP Morgan blow through 2... no 3 billion in bad bets - while the world is still recovering from the crisis these self watchers put us through in 2008 and that the world would be a much nicer place if the government didn't meddle.
We've had decades of the "government shouldn't meddle" approach. When the government doesn't meddle before the crash, it forces the government to do bailouts and damage control after the crash.
We don't let people build buildings without strict codes and inspections, because it's too late to prevent catastrophe when the fire turns a skyscraper into a sparkler due to bad construction.
Libertarians don't believe in preventing bad construction. Hell, they can barely bring themselves to put out the fires after the crash. Conservatives have no problem appointing horse traders and college buddies to fire chief.
And when the crash comes, all they can say is "Don't blame the architects! Don't blame the construction firms! The government was responsible for putting the fires out."
#13 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Fri 18 May 2012 at 03:01 AM
Yahoo!
http://news.firedoglake.com/2012/05/22/fail-whale-trades-up-to-a-7-billion-loss/
"The London Independent comes out with the largest estimate I’ve seen of losses on JPMorgan’s Fail Whale trades: $7 billion."
"But not to worry, we’re about to get a thorough investigation by the Senate Banking Committee. Do you know who will be running those Banking Committee investigations? Former JPMorgan Chase lobbyists, of course!"
Luckily for Dimon, the professional staff in charge of managing the banking committee will be quite familiar to him and his team of lobbyists. That’s because the staff director for the Senate Banking Committee is none other than a former J.P. Morgan lobbyist, Dwight Fettig."
It's not a revolving door, it's a public/private paddlewheel pushing the fail boat! All Aboard!
#14 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 22 May 2012 at 07:18 PM
"Libertarians don't believe in preventing bad construction. Hell, they can barely bring themselves to put out the fires after the crash. Conservatives have no problem appointing horse traders and college buddies to fire chief.
And when the crash comes, all they can say is "Don't blame the architects! Don't blame the construction firms! The government was responsible for putting the fires out.""
Sigh.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/senators-put-federal-regulators-not-jpmorgan-on-the-hot-seat/2012/05/22/gIQAPmv8iU_story.html
"Its chairman, Jamie Dimon, has admitted that the firm was “sloppy” and “stupid” in making trading bets that lost $2 billion. But Republicans on the Senate Banking Committee wouldn’t hear of it; they preferred to blame government.
As the panel held the first hearing on the JPMorgan losses, Sen. Richard Shelby (Ala.), the committee’s ranking Republican, glowered at federal regulators and charged that they “didn’t know what was really going on.”
“When did you first learn about these trades?” Shelby inquired.
Gary Gensler, head of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, admitted that he had learned about them from press reports.
“Press reports!” Shelby echoed, with mock surprise. He smiled. “Were you in the dark?”
Gensler tried to explain that his agency does not yet have authority to regulate the bank, but Shelby interrupted. “So you really didn’t know what was going on . . . until you read the press reports like the rest of us?” he asked again.
“That’s what I’ve said,” Gensler repeated.
But Shelby wanted him to keep saying it. “You didn’t know there was a problem there until you read the press reports?”
Shelby’s performance was worth every bit of the $72,950 JPMorgan Chase and its employees have given him in the past five years, making the bank his second-largest source of campaign cash."
Small bit of journo-trivia. Dana Milbank can sometimes write a readable column.
#15 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 23 May 2012 at 05:45 PM