Sunday on This Week with George Stephanopoulos, George and his guests suddenly realized that the public option, whatever shape it takes, will be very limited. While it’s good to see the MSM finally get real about the public option, Campaign Desk has been making this point for some time. In fact, we did a search of media coverage of the public option and discovered that the press pretty much avoided telling the public that the public plan would not be for most of them. Between August 15 and September 15, a Factiva search turned up 2335 stories in newspapers, business publications, and general interest publications mentioning a public plan. But when it came to telling readers who could actually join, only seventy-six outlets gave the full story.
Currently, lawmakers would restrict the public option to small businesses buying coverage for their workers and people seeking policies in the individual market. The plan would be off-limits to the millions of Americans who get their insurance from employers. The limitation, of course, is meant to prevent “crowd out”—that’s jargon for taking too much business away from private insurers. With so few people using the plan, though, it’s hard to see how it will lower health care costs or compete against the likes of insurance giant WellPoint, which is aggressively marketing very cheap and very limited insurance products to individuals.
Sunday, Stephanopoulos drilled his guest, Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill, about the public option. She said there was “some kind of opportunity to go to a public not-for-profit option among many private options” that people without insurance now could use. Then she conflated the public option with the insurance exchange, the government brokerage service called for by the draft bill. McCaskill pointed out that “not everybody can even go to this exchange and buy insurance with any kind of subsidy,” and that a “fairly limited number of people—twenty-five to thirty million—would even be on this insurance exchange.”
Stephanopoulos then turned to his panelists, where Atlanta Journal-Constitution political columnist Cynthia Tucker further narrowed the scope of the public plan. Stephanopoulos asked if people actually realized how limited the public plan would be, noting that the Congressional Budget Office estimated that only about twelve million people would be able to use such a plan; if states opted out, the number would be even smaller.
Tucker came back with a figure of “ten to twelve million people within a decade,” pointing out that Obama himself has said a public option is only a sliver of health care reform. The public plan for which liberals and progressives are fighting so hard, she said, is neither a panacea nor an evil government takeover. All of which makes the larger point—there are more important aspects of reform to talk about.
Last week on MSNBC’s Countdown, Keith Olbermann also discovered the limitations of the public plan. Olbermann quoted Oregon Sen. Ron Wyden, who said that more than 200 million Americans would not qualify for such a plan. Olbermann noted that only very small companies and those people who cannot afford to get private insurance would be able to use it. In other words, said Olbermann, the public plan would be for “everyone who could not get it (insurance) otherwise.”
Reporters and editors take note: If you want to keep making the public option the continual political story du jour, please tell your audiences that most of them won’t even be able to use the plan. But we suggest that time and space might be better used discussing the individual mandate, and how much money people will have to find in their budgets to pay for the coverage they will be required to buy. It’s the affordability issue, really.
read the bill! don't pull the plug on granny! obama is a communist! commander in thief! show us the birth certificate!
#1 Posted by JN, CJR on Mon 26 Oct 2009 at 12:27 PM
Which is exactly why we need HR 676. Everything else is a case of too little, too late.
#2 Posted by Michael, CJR on Mon 26 Oct 2009 at 02:27 PM
"But we suggest that time and space might be better used discussing the individual mandate, and how much money people will have to find in their budgets to pay for the coverage they will be required to buy"
EXACTLY!
Why don't some of you "professional journalists" report the amount of money it will cost people who are forced to buy insurance they don't want?
There's a story that will never see the light of day in any MSM rag...
#3 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Mon 26 Oct 2009 at 02:54 PM
There has been some good work on the levels of affordability subsidies on blogs, and perhaps editors should look to some blogs and ask the bloggers to write up pieces on such issues.
Focusing on the Public Option does have one further aspect: Eventually, sensible ideas like Senator Wyden's idea to open up the coming exchanges will be implemented. How soon? That's hard to say. But in the meanwhile, the Public Option that does get formed may become hard to change later, just like Social Security.
Therefore, getting the Public Option right at the beginning is more important than it would seem, say, in 2015.
Here is a ranking of Public Options by overall quality and effect:
http://findingourdream.blogspot.com/2009/10/health-care-reform-and-public-option.html
#4 Posted by Hal Horvath, CJR on Mon 26 Oct 2009 at 05:05 PM
As a self employed individual- my ability to buy in to
the rate benefit of group plans is extremely limited-
Independent consumers are taken advantage of when it comes
to pricing in healthcare rates. albeit we are not the
majority -we are a growing number in the consumer market.
We deserve an alternative to the health insurance rates
thwarted upon us!
#5 Posted by Ariane C., CJR on Mon 26 Oct 2009 at 05:28 PM
Ariane wrote: "As a self employed individual- my ability to buy in to
the rate benefit of group plans is extremely limited"
padikiller responds: Baloney.
You can buy health insurance cheaply though Sam's Club - at a rate less than your employer-sponsored plan charges:
http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?catg=4268
There are literally hundreds of options available through all kinds of health insurers at these discounted rates.
Our country has simply devolved to the point where people honestly believe that they are entitled to health insurance coverage at "somebody else's" expense. First it was the employers who were expected to provide health insurance, and now it is the government.
#6 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Mon 26 Oct 2009 at 06:05 PM
There aren't any affordable insurance options for individuals, or small business, and I don't see the Democrats offering any. Having a choice between a number of unacceptable options isn't a choice.
We should push for a real reform, national, free health care paid for by taxes like our neighbors in Canada have. And in the meantime, deregister as Democrats, because the Dems don't deserve our votes for this betrayal.
When we have the kind of healthcare people in other developed nations have, people will be able to have confidence in the future again. Otherwise, many of us are doomed, literally. Our "free market" system as it exists right now is killing a huge number of people.
The politicians don't care, or they would be fighting for real change, now, not be doing their best to delay the test their experimental procedure till after the next Presidential election.
Sorry, no more credit, Dems. Pay up or get out.
#7 Posted by William, CJR on Mon 26 Oct 2009 at 08:19 PM
William wrote: "free health care paid for by taxes..."
padikiller responds: LOL. Right out or Orwell...
So if taxes pay for something, it's "free" in the liberal mindset, right?...
And we wonder why so many papers are going under?
There are hundreds upon hundreds of affordable private insurance plans available in the free market. The problem is that liberals don't wan't to pay any money for their health care. They want Somebody Else to do it, so that it will be "free"...
Such dependence pervades the left.
#8 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Mon 26 Oct 2009 at 08:32 PM
To Padkiller,
I dont know what strata of the population you are from but from what I stand inflation plus greed are killing the middle class in regards to healthcare.
Although far from ideal- we need healthcare reform! At what point do rocketing premiums,unconscionable executive perks and bonuses and denial of basic human health measures go too far! Free enterprise has lost its virtue.
People are struggling with these costs! This is not about welfare junkies.
This is about people losing their homes!
You are out of touch. I pay for my explosive premiums but on a broad level
thats not money that enriches my town my state or my nation.
This is all about greed. I might be overly ideal but how can you in your
arrogance justify this industry.
#9 Posted by Ariane C., CJR on Mon 26 Oct 2009 at 09:43 PM
PS
I looked into yours plan ideas--you must be rich-these are hardly
any more affordable-not in my middle class world!
#10 Posted by Ariane C, CJR on Mon 26 Oct 2009 at 09:47 PM
Ariance C. wrote: "At what point do rocketing premiums,unconscionable executive perks and bonuses and denial of basic human health measures go too far!"
padikiller notes the sky isn't falling:
1. You can buy 7 million dollars of health insurance for an entire family at Sam's Club for less than $300 per month. $5000 deductible, with an associated Healthcare Savings Account. You can also buy hundreds of other plans there, too, and also at a zillion other places in the free market.
2. Nobody is "denied" health care in this country. If a homeless bum collapses on the street, a $500,000 ambulance scoops him up and takes him to a multi-million dollar hospital that is required to treat him for free. The so-called health care "crisis" is an utter fiction - a fairy tale forged in the mentality of people who wish to abidicate their resposibility to the government in order to get "free" services from the treasury.
If your premiums are too expensive, choose a less expensive plan!
Take some damned personal resposibility for your own upkeep instead of expecting the government to give you bandaids or powder your backside.
#11 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Mon 26 Oct 2009 at 09:59 PM
Ariane C. nails it: "This is all about greed."
padikiller responds: You've got THAT right!
Greedy people who want "free" healthcare now are going to want "free" housing tomorrow and "free" cars to drive the next day. The last thing on Earth greedy people like this want to do is to actually work to earn wages to (GASP!) pay for anything!
It certainly is all about greed.
#12 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Mon 26 Oct 2009 at 10:17 PM
Padikiller,
You dont address the reality here. I am not talking about the
poor only, I am speaking for a growing number of the middle class
in this country. We live in a country that already regulates certain industry as a matter of public interest.
Ps you jerk -I pay my taxes my bills and my premiums. On time!
I own a home and I contribute charitably. Becoming more difficult too!
Any fool can see where this kind of immoral commerce is going.
The point being the healthcare rape is killing the American dream.
You and I have one thing in common -anger-
Id like to think mine is founded in a not just my own concerns
but for the struggling guy next to me also!
#13 Posted by Ariane C., CJR on Mon 26 Oct 2009 at 10:19 PM
It should also be emphasized that the cheap insurance is the kind of micro policy that will bankrupt the user through high deductibles and limited treatment coverage should the need for the policy ever arise.
And that the insurance companies are always finding reasons to kick the chronically sick of their rolls. The public option, under the weak definition given by the Obama Administration, is meant as a last option for those without currently without one.
That is the major reason it's worth fighting for, not because of some stupid "liberals want welfare for everybody" mentality that conservatives assign to us.
Maybe later, the public option can be opened up as a tool for competition, but because of a weak president and a large amount of on the take democratic senator primadonnas, it's a last option which states have to fight for to "opt in".
It's amazing that this weak president is seen as a radical by so many deluded people. Listen up, the problem is so bad that it demands some radical solutions, but Obama can't even do a bend over backward industry cop-out without being labeled a marxist.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-10-13/the-best-deal-the-gop-will-get/
Your politics are dysfunctional and I blame (with a few exceptions) your stupid, inept, tv journalism and the outright dishonest talk radio.
#14 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 26 Oct 2009 at 10:33 PM
Ariane wrote: "The point being the healthcare rape is killing the American dream."
padikiller responds: BALONEY
According to the U.S. Dept. of Labor, in 2009, Americans spend more money on entertainment and beer than they do on healthcare. Health care expenses amount to less than SIX PERCENT of family expenses.
Nobody is denied healthcare in this country. It is ILLEGAL to do so.
The truly poor get a Medicaid card that pays for everything -including the food they eat in the hospital.
American families spend more on beer and entertainment than they do on healthcare.
Your Chicken Little cries of "rape" are just silly. They are not founded in reality.
#15 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Mon 26 Oct 2009 at 10:52 PM
Thimbles wrote: "the cheap insurance is the kind of micro policy that will bankrupt the user through high deductibles and limited treatment coverage should the need for the policy ever arise."
"And that the insurance companies are always finding reasons to kick the chronically sick of their rolls."
padikiller responds: Your claims are not rooted in reality.
1. You can go to Sam's Club and get a 7 million dollar family policy that covers EVERYTHING after a $5000 deductible for less than $300 per month. If the 5 grand is going to "bankrupt" you, then you can get a 50-month deductible rider for less than $100 more that leaves you with NOTIHING to pay until the 50 month period is over and your deductible is earning interest in a HSA.
2. It is illegal to dump policyholders in the manner you describe. Insurance companies are highly regulated. Abuses occur here and there (as they do with greater frequency in VA hospitals and other government-administered hospitals) but there is no crisis, companies that dump patients face huge sanctions.
#16 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Mon 26 Oct 2009 at 11:04 PM
>>According to the U.S. Dept. of Labor, in 2009, Americans spend more money on entertainment and beer than they do on healthcare. Health care expenses amount to less than SIX PERCENT of family expenses. The truly poor get a Medicaid card that pays for everything -including the food they eat in the hospital.
American families spend more on beer and entertainment than they do on healthcare.
Cite your claim, because it's bs, especially for the middle age, middle class who have to rely on employer based healthcare (which is under constant competitive pressure to be cut) if any at all.
http://www.bls.gov/cex/2007/share/income.pdf
As for your other claims I have seen someone get denied coverage for his heart surgery (Aetna was the offender) and have to fight for it by going to the state authorities, not easy for a patient to do from his bed. This individual was fired from his job soon after because he was a health care liability on his employer's plan (the evidence of this part is corelational. Before the surgery, his employer had no history of issues with him. Soon after the surgery, he got fired for the weakest of reasons).
So tell me. What are his options? He lost his employer healthcare with his job and his wife has to fork out 700 dollars a month to cover just his high risk ass, never mind the family. And now the insurance companies are using family histories as preexisitng conditions.
My question is, why the hell are you so interested in defending insurance corporations? They cause problems unique to America, you know. Other nations don't put up with this crap.
#17 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 27 Oct 2009 at 12:24 AM
A strong public option must be available to everyone regardless of where they live or whether they already have insurance. This is requisite if you are going to make health insurance mandatory and you refuse to implement Medicare for all. Health care is a human right!
#18 Posted by Karra Bikson, CJR on Tue 27 Oct 2009 at 08:10 AM
Thimbles, did you actually read the data on the BLS link you provided?
According to it, healthcare expenditures amount to only %5.7 of family expenses! Alcohol (%0.9) and entertainment (%5.4) add up to %6.3 of expenditures!
This confirms PRECISELY what I wrote earlier.
And by the way... I'm not defending insurance corporations... I'm defending capitalism in the face of a socialist threat.
The free market provides alternatives. I personally pay cash when my kids go to the doctors (and I pay less than half than patients with insurance cards do, by the way). I have a catastrophic plan to keep me from going bankrupt, but if I were poor, I wouldn't have to worry about healthcare- poor people already get healthcare!
There is no "crisis" in healthcare.... The notion is nothing but a liberal crack dream- a ploy to grab power from the people and instill it in the state.
#19 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Tue 27 Oct 2009 at 10:07 AM
Karra wrote: "This [a 'public option'] is requisite if you are going to make health insurance mandatory and you refuse to implement Medicare for all. Health care is a human right!"
padikiller responds: So now helath care is a "right"? When did the Constitution get amemded?
If we're going to make up new "rights" why limit them to something as mundane as healthcare...
How about sex?
"This [a 'fuflling orgasm'] is requisite if you are going to make fulfulling orgasms mandatory and you refuse to implement Medigasm for all. Fulfilling orgasms are a human right!"
Or flashy cars?
"This [a 'fine ride'] is requisite if you are going to make fine rides mandatory and you refuse to implement Mediride for all. Fine rides are a human right!"
Or tasty treats?
"This [a 'Snicker's Bar'] is requisite if you are going to make Snicker's Bars mandatory and you refuse to implement Snickercare for all. Snicker's Bars are a human right!"
#20 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Tue 27 Oct 2009 at 10:33 AM
this article seems disingenuous
you have done a good job of reporting details of the health insurance battle until now
the public option fight has been about the small business, individual inusrance health insurance market from day one
this market is a big deal and a big flaw in the large-employer health insurance scheme
only some of us work for large employers
the ron wyden version of the public option had little chance of success
wyden couldn't sell it to large employers
the fear the wyden "public option" would cause havoc to their insurance arrangements
he did not show how it would be to their advantage
in fact, other than lip service to single payer but no action, no one seems to have tried to develop new health insurance ideas plan that would be advantageous to large employers and their employees
this is the segment of the insurance market that maintains the status quo
what we have is a national version of what Massachusetts did
this is a big deal, in and of itself
personally, i think health insurance should be treated as a right
but then i also think my vote should be a right and not something that is determined by the rules of the state i live in, or representation in an electoral college
#21 Posted by jamzo, CJR on Tue 27 Oct 2009 at 11:30 AM
So health care is now a "right"? Says who?
Claiming health care as a "right" is logically equivalent to stating that certain people (the ones designated as " healthcare providers") must be forced, ultimately at gunpoint by the government, to provide personal service to people they would not otherwise voluntarily treat. In other words.... Involuntary servitude.
Who else should we force to work in the name of other "rights"? We have the "right" to shelter? To food? To transportation? To recreation?
The founders of modern democracy narrowly defined natural "rights" to be personal rights under the direct control of person to whom they belonged.
"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" are personal rights that do not impose any duty on others, aside from the duty to avoid transgression.
The rights granted by the Bill of Rights are also personal rights that do not mandate any performance on the part of others. The right to freedom of speech does create a right to "free" microphones from the government. The right to freedom of religion does not mean that the government should deliver crosses or Kosher meals to your door. The right to keep and bear arms does mean that any particular person should be forced to come load bullets into your handgun.
It is truly sad that this country has degraded in only 50 years, from a time when a liberal Democrat scolded us to "ask not what our country can do for you" to the point where a huge number of voters claim silly "rights" out of thin air in knee-jerk liberal fits.
#22 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Tue 27 Oct 2009 at 03:07 PM
Without jumping into the debate at this time, just wanted to point out some hilarity in the last statement. JFK was the main proponent of Medicare, a government run health entitlement program for the elderly. LBJ's great society was predicated on JFK's social agenda and succeeded largely due to the martyrdom of Kennedy. LBJ signed Medicare into law in Independence, MO, the hometown of Harry Truman, a democratic president very much in favor of health insurance reform. The role of government in providing health insurance is not a new phenomenon. This has been a debate dating back to the progressive politics of Theodore Roosevelt. I think it is important to point out that government's involvement in provisioning and spending on health care services is already a very significant 50%.To discount the expanding role of government in health care is not looking at the whole picture. We can debate the extent of government involvement but its importance cannot be underscored. JFK himself was the driver that got us started on government's expanding role in health care. Edward Kennedy carried the torch on health reform for many years and now he too serves as a martyr to reform the system.
#23 Posted by quickcomment, CJR on Tue 27 Oct 2009 at 10:55 PM
Ho hum. What the document actually says:
Healthcare >>
From 10 to 15 thousand: 7.8%
From 15 to 20 thousand: 8.5%
From 20 to 30 thousand: 8.4%
From 30 to 40 thousand: 7.2%
From 40 to 50 thousand: 6.8%
To put it in context, people are spending more on healthcare than they are on gas and motor oil.
They're spending more on healthcare than they are on the interest on their mortgages.
And they're spending way more on healthcare than they are on beer. The only group that spends more on entertainment is the very top group.
Furthermore, because each group is spending about the same 7 to 8 percent of income on health while making different amounts of money, the lower rungs are likely getting lower quality plans.
Beyond that the trend is that healthcare expenses have risen about 2% above inflation when wages have been stagnant because of global competition.
Even if you could argue there isn't a problem now, which you can't, you can't claim there isn't a problem to come should the pattern continue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDW0ZnZxjn4
#24 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 27 Oct 2009 at 11:50 PM
This is to the gentleman who mentioned that the public option would be an insurance of last resort for the individuals. It won't, for many, if it loses money, because Obama has already said that if it doesn't break even, he will veto it. If you look at the state pools, on their site, naschip.org, they explicitly state 1. that they lose a lot of money that has to be replaced through subsidies 2.That they are not intended for the poor, they are for people who can afford individual insurance but who can't get it because of health or history. 3. that they cost substantially more than individual insurance does normally. (which is already a lot and rising three times faster than inflation) a veto is what is going to happen with the public option in 201whatever because it will be required to both break even and cost at least what comparable private insurance costs, which is a huge amount. It isn't allowed to be too attractive. Most of the people who expect subsidies will make too much or too little, and those who get them may find that the uncovered costs are still substantial enough to make the care ultimately unaffordable without being tagged as having too much income if you can pay. Catch 22. A trillion dollars sounds like a lot but when you consider the need, the fact that we are talking about hundreds of millions of people who can't afford the commercial marketplace, and five years from now, when prices will undoubtably be much higher, that $312 a year per American wont go as far as we would hope.
Public option's commitment to lack of cost control makes one wonder, is it intended to do anything except delay real reform?
$312 a year spread thin is really a tiny amount. so my guess is that to make that money do something, the number of people eligible will be limited to a very small group. Still, for the self-employed with high incomes and health issues, it might be a godsend. The state high risk pools are crippled by the rising costs and folding. The insurance industry would like to get rid of them. Even under insurance with a cost of $2000 or more a month is a hell of a delay of an experimental procedure of an mandatory option that doesn't exist now for well to do people with illnesses. Even if it only pays for 70% of their in-network covered expense's reasonable and customary charges dada.
#25 Posted by Charles, CJR on Wed 28 Oct 2009 at 12:30 AM
We see pundits going on about preventing care, why don't we ever read anything about curative care. A few years ago I read an amazing article about the emerging science of regeneration,
A researcher at the Wistar Institute in the midwest had figured out a way to give mammals the power amphibians have to regrow body parts that have been damaged. As an example they cut a mouse's leg off, and it grew back.
They injured its heart, and the little mouse grew another one. They lived longer too, and were perfectly healthy. The therapy involved gene therapy but it was not available in humans yet.
But then, for years, I heard nothing. Could American medicine be in some kind of crisis where its become taboo to speak of curing anybody?
Ever?
I know that the drug companies hate the idea of losing customers. Thats why they avoid cures.
#26 Posted by Charles, CJR on Wed 28 Oct 2009 at 01:44 AM
Charles is right about Obama. It's the progressive caucus which is pushing for a robust, well funded, competitive public option (they're really pushing for medicare for everybody) and it's Obama and the DLC dems, and the industry funded conservadems, who they are pushing against.
This is why I get annoyed with the liberal, marxist, revolutionary meme pushers. The reality is Obama has governed as a weak conservative to the right of Clinton, and talked to the left for their money. He has made inspiring speeches and then marginalized the inspiring people for political ticks like Cass Sunstein and Larry Summers.
The candidate people voted for would have given Howard Dean a position involved in the healthcare debate. The person that got elected tried to put Tom Dashale in charge.
http://www.rollingstone.com/blogs/taibbiunbound/2008/12/the-whore-factor.php
I trust the progessive caucus to push and fight for a better public option, the executive branch has been a wishy-washy failure that prefers bipartisan, industry sponsred, beer summits to actual change. What people are moving in the healthcare debate is in spite of Obama, not because of him.
#27 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 28 Oct 2009 at 04:13 AM
Matt says it way better than I.
http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2009/10/22/elizabeth-warren-for-president/
#28 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 28 Oct 2009 at 04:36 AM
I just want to know how the healthcare reform/public option is going to keep me (an insured person) from going bankrupt if I or my family gets sick? That is the main problem for me. Being insured now but fearing a need to use it and then have to go broke paying what the insurance didn't feel like paying.
I am not really hearing an answer to this problem.
#29 Posted by bree, CJR on Wed 28 Oct 2009 at 06:12 AM
To answer your question, no, unless your employer decides to cut it's health plan coverage.
If you have insurance, your insurance would be grandfathered into the exchange. New employees would use new, standardized plans.
The good (?) news is that many employers are looking to cut their health care obligations.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=28779
#30 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 28 Oct 2009 at 11:17 PM
More on liberal "rights"...
When liberals create so-called "rights", they are actually creating "duties" by forcing Someone Else to do something for, or to give something to, designated Deserving Others. Ultimately, such redistribution of wealth or labor must be enforced at gupoint by pain of imprisonment.
The liberals will proclaim "BLANK is a Natural Right", where "BLANK" can be "Health Care", "Education", "A Living Wage", "A Dignified Retirement", etc....
Each of these "rights" are nothing more that duties imposed upon others to provide labor to or to transfer property to others. Something for nothing. Communisim.
A libertarian who speaks of "rights" does not demand involutantary servitude or forfeiture of property in the way that liberals do. The right to due process, for example, does not require Someone Else to do something to an accused criminal- it merely forbids specific acts by others. The freedoms of religion and free expression are personal rights that impose no duty on others aside from the duty of government officials to avoid transgression of the rights of others.
To use the same word to describe "rights" adopted by the Founders and the "rights" sought by liberals is disingenuous- these concepts are diametrically opposed from each other.
We are careening down the road to socialism, and as Margaret Thatcher noted, the problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. Liberalism, in its present form, is inconsistent with the American system of democracy because it replaces personal rights and freedoms with expectency, dependence and involuntary servitude.
#31 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Thu 29 Oct 2009 at 10:02 AM
The Dems and Obama failed the test. This thing they are calling a public option is a joke. Politicians just don't care in this country, period, and never will. You blew it Obama and congressional democrats - your out as far as I'm concerned.
#32 Posted by guest0987, CJR on Thu 29 Oct 2009 at 06:00 PM
You sit there an complain about the Public Option, but there is no better IDEA;s out there. The Republican promised to have one by now on their sight for us to study for 74 hrs., just like the Demacrates promised. The Demacrates worked hard an got one on their sight. I don't agree 100% with all of it, but a lot of it is good for those who really need it. Those who get theirs through their employers, don't need medical Ins. unless of course it is offered above their income means. We don't want to destroy the Insurance company's, because thousands of people are employed by them. So, we have to limit their ability to cheat the american people, an this bill helps with that. So untill YOU, or another group or party wants to do the work to come up with some thing better, don't complain!
#33 Posted by Alberta Treadway, CJR on Thu 29 Oct 2009 at 06:05 PM
Alberta wrote: "You sit there an complain about the Public Option, but there is no better IDEA;s out there."
padikiller replies: How about this idea? Don't do anything because nothing's wrong.
There is no "crisis" in healthcare. According to the Obama administration's April 2009 BLS report, the average American family spends less than SIX PERCENT of its money on healthcare. This is less than the average American family spends on entertainment and alcohol. Healthcare costs are NOT destroying our family or our economy.
Of course, the Republicans have offered all kinds of alternatives, many of them proven to work, ranging from tort reform to removing the restrictions that prevent companies from selling policies outside of state lines. But it will be a snowy day in the Bad Place when you you see a MSM rag report in depth on thiese alternatives.
#34 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Thu 29 Oct 2009 at 06:22 PM
Often we forget the little guy, the SMB, in our discussions of the comings and goings of the Internet marketing industry. Sure there are times like this when a report surfaces talking about their issues and concerns but, for the most part, we like to talk about big brands and how they do the Internet marketing thing well or not so well.
www.onlineuniversalwork.com
#35 Posted by Charles brooks, CJR on Fri 18 Dec 2009 at 04:38 AM
The Center for Media Research has released a study by Vertical Response that shows just where many of these ‘Main Street’ players are going with their online dollars. The big winners: e-mail and social media. With only 3.8% of small business folks NOT planning on using e-mail marketing and with social media carrying the perception of being free (which they so rudely discover it is far from free) this should make some in the banner and search crowd a little wary.
www.onlineuniversalwork.com
#36 Posted by henrylow, CJR on Sat 19 Dec 2009 at 02:00 AM
The Center for Media Research has released a study by Vertical Response that shows just where many of these ‘Main Street’ players are going with their online dollars. The big winners: e-mail and social media. With only 3.8% of small business folks NOT planning on using e-mail marketing and with social media carrying the perception of being free (which they so rudely discover it is far from free) this should make some in the banner and search crowd a little wary.
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#37 Posted by henrylow, CJR on Sat 19 Dec 2009 at 02:01 AM
Healthcare in this country is about to become as communist as it can get. Out fine congressmen and senators are making it mandatory to pay health insurance weather you are working or not. They are not trying to curtail the spending and profits of big insurance companies. What they are doing is making laws so we the people have to pay private health insurance companies and if we the people dont pay it , it will be a criminal act and you will get a big fat fine for it and I daresay jailtime as they get down a few years into it. This will not affect the rich who just go and buy doctors. This will not affect the working middle class unless they lose their job, who it will affect is the very people Obama is claiming to be helping. I seem Obama saying he would not tax the poor and yet he and congress took the Cost of living allowance away from millions of Elderly, Disabled Veterans and people on SSI. People have to stand up and go to washington and tell these idiots we dont want our money given to private insurance companies By Law that is going to make poor people that get sick stay home because they dont wanns get fined, Way to go Prez you just screwed 57 million Americans. It was slick how you did it and congress acting like they were fighting when really you all wanted to make this Law to force people who cant afford insurance to get it or stay home and die. It is the same with your war. You said you were going after Bin Laudin and nothing has been done. All you are doing is ramping up to invade Iran. Obama you need to stop lieing through your teeth and tell Americans what you are doing . You had backdoor meetings with insurance companies and now their bribes are paying off for them bigtime. By the way you suck as a president. Much more that Bush or Clinton ever did
#38 Posted by Frank Binning 52, CJR on Fri 8 Jan 2010 at 06:57 AM