At the tail end of the presidential campaign, Barack Obama said he wanted to reduce the federal government’s overpayments to insurance companies that provided drug and other benefits for seniors through Medicare Advantage plans—and, particularly, a special kind of Medicare Advantage plan called the private-fee-for-service option. According to Bloomberg News, a White House spokeswoman says that President Obama still considers the payments “excessive.” So the question is: When will Congress reconsider the amount they’re paying insurers to provide the same benefits that Medicare itself can provide for much less?
Journalists should keep an eye on the budget that will be released later this week, in order to see if the administration tips its hand on overpayments. If Congress tries to derail the gravy train for health insurers, the future of Medicare Advantage plans will be a good story for weeks to come. Some 11 million seniors have such plans. Will payments be flat-out cut immediately? Will cuts be phased in over a few years, to give carriers some time to adjust? Or will there be no cuts at all?
Avram Goldstein’s piece for Bloomberg is worth reading for journalists who want to report on the continuing Medicare Advantage saga. The Medicare Advantage option lets seniors get all of their Medicare benefits, including prescription drugs, in the private market from HMOs, PPOs, and private-fee-for-service plans. The government pays these plans to provide the benefits. As Goldstein points out, these companies will be paid an average of 14 percent more this year, just to provide the same benefits that Medicare pays for seniors who get them directly from the Medicare program. The industry argues that the overpayments allow them to offer goodies, such as gym memberships, that people can’t get in the regular program, and that these plans are popular because premiums have also been low. (Seniors pay two kinds of premiums—one to the plan and one to Medicare.)
Tom Scully, the former Medicare administrator who helped create the program, predicted there would not be a “mass exodus from Medicare Advantage.” Those in favor of reducing the government payments maintain that the money could be better spent on care, and that the reduction postpones the date when Medicare will run out of funds. Arnold Relman, former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine, told Goldstein that “Medicare Advantage is a rip-off. I cannot see that they do anything better than public insurance does, and they do a lot of things worse.”
Working with the consulting firm Avalere Health, Bloomberg found that some of the advantages of Medicare Advantage have vanished. Low premiums that once lured consumers have suddenly zoomed up. (On average, premiums increased by 13 percent for 2009.) Humana, which entered the Medicare Advantage market a few years ago with super low premiums, has now “more than doubled average premiums for its Advantage clients, to $30 from $14,” Bloomberg says. Its study found that Universal American boosted its premiums by 44 percent to $39. The company’s chief executive officer said that Medicare Advantage is a great value to consumers. Another carrier, Universal Health Care Corp., had so much spare government cash that, for awhile, it was able to sell plans with no monthly premiums and also pay policyholders’ monthly Medicare premiums—this year, $96.40.
Goldstein reported that these changes are beginning to affect those seniors who flocked to the plans a few years ago, hoping to save a little money. Insurers can use different marketing practices and pricing arrangements in different counties. In other words, there are local stories to be found everywhere, and rich fodder for reporters to chew on as the soon-to-be political story surfaces. Goldstein has shown how to bring the political story home.
As an insurance agent and viewing this from the inside. Medicare Advantage is a great Dis-Advantage. As long as you have no health conditions you are paying less that the traditional Original Medicare with a Medicare Supplement, but it you are consistantly using health care, these programs cost you more with the co-pays and deductibles. The average out of pocket cost limits is $3,000 per year when with Origianal Medicare and a Plan F Medicare Supplement the individuals premium is their onlly risk. The average cost for that is half the MA out of pocket limit. No copays or Deductibles, all is covered. Of course no Silver Sneakers gym program that the senior does not use.
Another issue is CMS limited the amount of commission that companies could pay the agent to $400 although did not limit what the companies could pay the brokerage agencies. Or the companies kept the amount they were paying that for themselves and fattened their coffers. This is a rediculous program. No way can this extend when the Medicare Trust Fund in going to run out of money. Get under the hood. If CMS is now taken on a bigger administrative role in collecting monies our of SS checks and is paying out all of the average claim costs to the companies, how do you save money?
#1 Posted by Roger Marvel, CJR on Sat 21 Feb 2009 at 09:09 AM
These "advantage" programs should be ended IMMEDIATELY by the Obama administration. As someone that was suckered into one of these plans for one year (Humana), I consider them to be legalized racketeering of the worst kind, preying on the elderly and disabled. My experience was as follows:
1. When you sign up for one of these scams you are OUTSIDE the Medicare system.
2. While CMS does a great job with normal Medicare, they turn a blind eye to the abuses and do not process timely filed appeals with them.
3. Humana seems to be the worst of the lot.
4. Humana claim processing is dysfunctional and normally results in rejection of out-of-network doctors. Even when they pay they end up paying less than Medicare paid the same doctor for the same services.
5. Humana and their brethren are all out to maximize profits, which they do by denying medically necessary procedures (and without CMS processing appeals), you are left without recourse other than paying for the treatments yourself. Their interests and the insured's are IN CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
6. Humana also uses a subsidiary to "independently review" medical necessity of some claims without disclosing that the subsidiary, CorpHealth is actually 100% owned by Humana.
7. My "learning experience" cost me almost $4,000 over and above my Medicare premiums for this one year alone.
8. Until Obama ends these programs, those eligible for Medicare should stay with Medicare and avoid thes "Advantages" programs like the plague. They may sound good at first, but wait until the election period in March ends and then you will see their true colors. If you are in one now, take my advice -- get out while you still can this year.
9. The Advantage plans are just another way of ripping off cizens and the government through the widespread greed we have witnessed over the last eight years in corporate america with "deregulation" which has economically ruined this country.
#2 Posted by Medicare Advantage Victim, CJR on Mon 23 Feb 2009 at 01:50 PM
Who believes the government should take over healthcare when you retire? Not many. The government does not handle healthcare for the working & they should not be solely responsible at retirement. O'Bama has stated everyone should be responsible for healthcare. For these reasons, Medicare Advantage makes sense; although reimbursements should be reviewed to make sure they are in line, as with ALL federal spending. With the rising costs of healthcare (the REAL problem), supplements are increasingly not an option for many. Medicare recipients like me deserve a choice & I want, prefer, & understand my Medicare Advantage Plan.
#3 Posted by Let's Be Fair, CJR on Tue 24 Feb 2009 at 04:51 PM
People should not be saying (above) Medicare Advantage takes away from the Medicare program. I had a PPO & my premiums were outrageous when I was working. Now I have a PPO with my Medicare Advantage Plan & government involvement (reimbursement) makes my premiums affordable with acceptable benefits which I understand thoroughly. I do not participate in the Silver Sneakers classes, but I do use the gym membership. In addition, I have had many preventative tests covered at 100% with my plan (which is never mentioned above, along with coordinated care if I need it in the future). So reality is just to the contrary... mirror the successes of Medicare Advantage with the shortfalls of individual & group healthcare coverage, which the government also has the responsibilty to HELP. By the way, everyone cannot afford a supplement. My folks did not carry a supplement due to financial reasons & suffered out-of-pocket costs because there was no alternative available at the time. Not to mention coordinated care would have been useful to them, but was not available with Medicare at the time, as they had to be sick to receive any help. Give us "boomers" credit, as we understand the advances of Medicare over the one choice that was available to our parents.
#4 Posted by Thank goodness I'm now on Medicare, CJR on Tue 24 Feb 2009 at 05:33 PM
As an insurance agent in Arizona I deal with Medicare Advantage plans and Medicare supplements. Over 30 percent of seniors in AZ are on Medicare Advantage. I prefer Med Supps myself, but because the Medicare Advantage plans include the Part D drug plan, even people with money are attracted to the simplicity of Medicare Advantage plans - plus the free gym membership!
Of course, when the senior gets sick, the simplicity of the plan suddenly transforms into complexity. But in Arizona, seniors have been in private plans for more than ten years and they don't think they can affort to pay Med Supp premiums plus Part D premiums each month.
So it will be interestting to see the political reaction in states like California, Arizona and Florida where over 25% of seniors are in Medicare Advantage plans. Actually each of the large population states have large numbers of seniors in Medicare Advantage - and all of those states (except Texas) voted in the majority for Obama. So it will be interesting to watch as co-payments are increased and premiums introduced or raised.
#5 Posted by Denise, CJR on Wed 25 Feb 2009 at 04:37 PM
A good source for free information and quotes on Medicare Supplement insurance can be found at http://www.lowcostmedigap.com.
#6 Posted by lucas burton, CJR on Wed 25 Feb 2009 at 04:40 PM
I have been employed as an insurance rep. for a large physicians office in Florida and I totally agree that these Medicare Advantage plans are a rip off. I deal every day with patients who are elderly and are not able to fully understand what scam they are entering with these plans. SHAME ON YOU MEDICARE!!! for allowing these swindlers to come out of the woodwork. We have to threaten the Advantage plans with legal action just to get payment for our physicians. Medicare needs their heads examined. MD Medicare Choice has just filed for bankruptcy. Universal Healthcare and Universal care has had their offices raided by the feds. Does Medicare need a house to fall on their heads before they realize these No-Advantage plans need to be regulated.
#7 Posted by rene, CJR on Thu 26 Feb 2009 at 08:39 PM
Perhaps those Medicare Advantage Plans that are ripping people off should be eliminated. Let the government investigate all the plans and get rid of the ones that don't work, however keep the ones that do! I'm now with a plan in Los Angeles County, SCAN. My medicare premiums are automatically deducted from my Social Security check each month. I pay $5.00 to see my personal care physician, $10.00 to see a specialist. I don't pay anything for blood tests or X-rays, including MRI's & catscans. All my medical records are filed electronically, I've never had a problem getting an appointment, and have absolutely nothing negative to say about this plan. Should the plan be eliminated, however, and should I have to pay for everything through Medicare, I would have a problem.
#8 Posted by Jack, CJR on Mon 2 Mar 2009 at 07:27 PM
As an agent in field and owner of a large agency, I always do what is right for my customers. Many of my customers cannot afford to pay what Original Medicare does not cover, and surely many of them cannot afford a medicare supplement. What do one talks about is How happy the Seniors are with the Medicare Advantage programd . we did a survey of our clients on these plans and 98% of them were very happy with the plans. Those that do not want the medicare advantage plans, and can afford supplements have their choice, I believe we need to let the seniors chose and not be dictated by the federal government.
Most of the extra money the plans get either go into additional benefits or a part b rebate which helps the seniors.
Policiticans should STAY OUT of Medicare Period.
#9 Posted by Mike Alexander, CJR on Sun 15 Mar 2009 at 12:09 PM
I like my Medicare Advantage Plan from Secure Horizons. I pay just my monthly medicare premium plus $29.00 for some dental coverage. The plan also offers vision services. I also don't have to pay extra for my prescription drug coverage and I love Silver Sneakers it helps me stay in shape and healthy! Also, primary care-$10.00 and any specialists-$30.00. I don't know what plans are ripping people off maybe they should be investigated. But I hope our idiot president doesn't take it away. It works for me and I want to keep it!!
#10 Posted by Roxanne, Tucson, CJR on Thu 16 Apr 2009 at 03:29 AM
I have been researching Medicare Advantage plans for mos. as it is getting close to my husband and my time to choose medicare and supplement or medicare advantage. I feel we only can afford a medicare advantage plan, but scares me what so many say....SCAM! Is there ANY good medicare plans? Please recommend one to me!!!!
#11 Posted by Jennifer from Florida, CJR on Wed 29 Apr 2009 at 02:23 PM
I meant to ask, Are there any GOOD Medicare ADVANTAGE PLANS?
#12 Posted by Jennifer from Florida, CJR on Wed 29 Apr 2009 at 02:25 PM
The California Health Advocates or the Center for Medicare Advocacy can give you advice.
#13 Posted by trudy lieberman, CJR on Wed 29 Apr 2009 at 04:32 PM
People who do not like them do not understand them...or are agents and physicans that are greedy. All Medicare Advantage plans HAVE to follow Medicares guidelines. So in other words if Medicare doesn't cover it the Companies won't cover it. I don't want the government to make my healthcare decisions for me. If Medicare starts to take all the elderly then the Americans still working are going to have to put more money into medicare just to pay for the elderly using medicare and the elderly can't afford 20%(what medicare doesn't cover)Would you rather pay 20% of a 20,000 hospital bill or 950.00 copay(medicare advantage plans)...the choice is easy Think about it.
#14 Posted by Tab, CJR on Mon 8 Jun 2009 at 11:53 AM
I could not be more pleased with my Humana Gold Advantage plan. It costs nothing over the basic Medicare Part B charge of under $100 a month. It provides annual free eye exams and glasses, dental exams and teeth cleaning. It allows me to belong to health clubs free - ones that I had already joined and that had cost me over $50 per month each - Curves and another top-notch local hospital-run facility. It pays all my bills for exams and tests without my every paying a co-pay or receiving a bill. I find it just amazing in every way. And oh, did I say, my doctor is not only a wonderful medic and care provider; he is the head of one of the prime medical practices in the metrpolitan area and could not be more highly regarded in the community.
My only hope is that with all the shifting health care plans, no one takes my Humana away.
I forgot to mention that they actually send incentive payments for getting my check-ups and so on. It all seems so intelligent - focused on prevention - I can hardly believe it is happening in this unruly world.
I am all for the President's health care reforms, and would love to see everyone getting the kind of care I get with my Humana program.
Hari Ashmore
July 16, 2009
#15 Posted by Hari Ashmore, CJR on Thu 16 Jul 2009 at 06:37 PM
@ Roxanne Im sorry to inform you but you are the real idiot. Working for Secure Horizons/ Evercare United Health Care ovations division I realize
that it is all crap. Everyday that I leave work I have to deal with a guilty
conscious of know what bull crap Ovations customers have to deal with.
Everyone suffers with these plans except for the private health insurance
company. UnitedHealthCare Does not pay claims, their members are confused
about the plans, many times people are duped into signing up for this crap.
If I had not taken a vow of secrecy and signed their right to sue forms
I would take my show on the road. Let the whole world know STAY AWAY FROM MAPD PLANS ESPECIALLY UNITED HEALTH CRAP!!!!
#16 Posted by Jennifer Martinez, CJR on Wed 22 Jul 2009 at 01:21 AM
I have Freedom Blue by Highmark/Blue Cross Blue Shield Medicare Advantage Plan. I don't know about the other companies but Freedom Blue has low copay for doctors and specialists $15.00. Prescription drugs generic $5.00 no donut hole for all generic drugs.
I recently had a accident, between ambulance and hospital bills total of $26 thousand dollars Freedom Blue paid all but $175.00. I can't believe anyone could complain about this.
I have never had a claim denied by Freedom Blue no matter what test or procedure the doctor had requested. I don't see why President Obama would try and get rid of this program. I've been with Freedom Blue for Four plus years.
#17 Posted by Ralph Moore, CJR on Thu 13 Aug 2009 at 01:27 PM
I don't understand the disadvantages people post about the Medicare Advantage plans. They say Medicare does the same thing as the Adv. plans. Look, Medicare Part B does not pay for prescriptions. The Advantage plan does, and mine does not charge anything additional to what Part B costs, just under $100 a month. I get to see my doctor as often as I want, I get 4 blood tests a year for my diabetes management, I get necessary tests when I get ill, and my co-pay in hospital is $75 a day. I pay no co-pay for office visits or prescriptions. I am just a couple hundred dollars a year above poverty level, I have a mortgage and car payments, and was laid off at the age of 70. If I knew that was going to happen, I would not have bought a car. I cannot afford to pay our more money for a supplement to pay for prescriptions. What does the president plan for someone like me? When the president says affordable coverage for everyone, where are the examples for say myself, for my 26 year old grand-daughter, where is the sliding scale, why are we not being told what" affordable" is in his mind.
#18 Posted by Beverly, CJR on Sat 15 Aug 2009 at 01:19 PM
JENNIFER....I have Freedom Health, based in Tampa i believe. I have them and I am 100% satisfied with them. All claims have been paid directly to my doctor, never have to pay out of pocket. All my generic meds are free. See my prior email about how great it is. I just re-posted to include the name of my plan, since you are in Florida, as I am.
#19 Posted by Beverly, CJR on Sat 15 Aug 2009 at 01:25 PM
JENNIFER....I have Freedom Health, based in Tampa i believe. I have them and I am 100% satisfied with them. All claims have been paid directly to my doctor, never have to pay out of pocket. All my generic meds are free. See my prior email about how great it is. I just re-posted to include the name of my plan, since you are in Florida, as I am.
#20 Posted by Beverly, CJR on Sat 15 Aug 2009 at 01:26 PM
my mom had an advantage plan and her care was excellent. she needed a wheel chair, nebulizer, bedside toilet and all were provided free, a walker too. we never had to pay any bills at all except once an ambulance. when she became terminal she had hospice care free. she could not have afforded the 20 percent payments to doctors and hospitals. she could not afford a medigap plan that would be 2,000 a year. if obama stops the advantage plans, what will happen to people like my mom? he said that the advantage does no more than medicare and they charge more for everything. how can that be true if they pay full cost instead of 80 percent.
#21 Posted by MARJE, CJR on Tue 25 Aug 2009 at 04:40 PM
I don't get it. I pay the Medicare Part B premium, and nothing else. My Advantage plan costs me not one penny more. Of course, I did not get to keep the doctor I had, I had to pick from a list, but that is fine with me. Being low income, this is perfect. If I end up having to pay more due to this overhaul of health insurance, I will very likely not be able to pay it, thus no doctor visits, no blood tests, etc. I am 72 years old, I wouldn't last very long with no medical treatments. So it matters not if there is a "death panel" or not, it would mean death for me and many others like me.
#22 Posted by Beverly, CJR on Fri 4 Sep 2009 at 04:06 PM
I pay no premium for my Medicare Advantage plan with WellCare in Florida. I have never had a problem with my coverage; pay nothing for my regular doctor visits; pay only $35 for one of my non-generic medications (the rest are free); and I don't pay for regular blood tests -- I have diabetes.
#23 Posted by Sharon, CJR on Fri 11 Sep 2009 at 08:44 PM
I am a healthy 69 year old and I have been an Anthem Advantage member for two years. I am perfectly satisfied with the insurance coverage provided in this plan. I pay no monthly premium other than my medicare premium. It would be a definate waste of money for me to have to purchase a medicare supplement plan and a drug plan. It would be a big mistake to do away with the advantage plans since so many seniors are able to take advantage of the very low premiums.
#24 Posted by Robert, CJR on Sun 13 Sep 2009 at 10:04 PM
Also Tampa Bay Floridians, my wife and I have been very happy with our Humana Gold Plus plan for 4 years now. We pay nothing extra, just our Medicare B premium and get professional care and services comparable to what we enjoyed through excellent employer plans during my 40 year working career plus extra benefits - at a savings of $4800/yr. when we switched from Traditional Medicare + Medigap + Medicare Drugs. Our Primary Care doctor automatically schedules 6 month appointments whether healthy or not complete with very comprehesive blood screening. In between, we can get an immediate appointment whenever we deem necessary and through two knee surgeries with serious complications never had a provider medical request denied. All we gave up was some freedom of choice as to health care providers, but have been very satisfied with the primary provider choices we have and the medical specialists and faclities directed to provide our care. Rather than elminating all medicare advantage plans, medicare advantage plan HMO's should be the example for how comprehensive preventative wellness health care and service should be provided. But, of course, ObamaCare is not really about economical, efficient, quality health care, it is about people power, eventual government single payer vs individual freedom of choice. We seniors have no choice, we could not opt out, but had to pay into Medicare during our working years and accept Medicare as our health care plan in retirement, like it or not. MAP is our only way to access a private health care plan. Assuming our Congressional representatives are all pretty intelligent, if ObamaCare was so great, it should enjoy overwhelming approval and support across party lines. Whether for or against, rushing ObamaCare through regardless will have serious political consequences for incumbent congressional representatives!
#25 Posted by Robert, CJR on Sun 11 Oct 2009 at 12:03 PM
Why won't O'Bama & Congress accept HMO & PPO plans? Talk about discrimination, we no longer live in a free country. Currently under a PFFS plan and have no problems; after recovering from lung surgery. Now I have to accept what this d**n Government & Congress will not have themselves as health insurance is concerned.
#26 Posted by Wanda Coleman, CJR on Sat 17 Oct 2009 at 11:34 PM
How can you trust the comments of two people(who are probably one and the same), that refer to our president as O'Bama? They probably work for the insurance companies that sell the Advantage plans.
#27 Posted by /gloria Klein, CJR on Mon 4 Jan 2010 at 02:44 PM
I am trying to get my father a second opinion after he was diagnosed with a rare form of cancer. I want him treated at a rated cancer center for his type of cancer (there are 4 clear top centers) and his Humana HMO network in Louisiana does not have a rated cancer center nor are they on a list as a specialist for this type of cancer. You would not believe the agony we are going through right now to get the referrals and the requirements that the doctors must certify he can't receive this treatment in network. My dad has stage three cancer and every day we delay matters --- but at the same time you want the best medical care. Stay away from the HMO's because when you really need to be able to choose your care --- you will have to fight and pray you can obtain it --- wasting valuable energy fighting with insurance companies instead of focusing on fighting the cancer and making the patient feel safe, comfortable and well taken care of.
#28 Posted by Cindy, CJR on Wed 13 Jan 2010 at 08:26 PM
I have had Humana Gold for a year and I am very pleased. I lost my job a year ago and the Humana Gold Plan is actually better than my United Health Care employer plan.
#29 Posted by Joyce Grier, CJR on Mon 1 Mar 2010 at 01:01 AM
People, if you are comparing medicare advantage to medicare and private to public I want you to keep this National Geographic graph in mind.
http://blogs.ngm.com/.a/6a00e0098226918833012876a6070f970c-800wi
I live in Japan. The drugs are cheap, the coverage is cheap, the facillities and treatment is world class, the cost is about $100 a month, the frequency people see their doctors is high, the cost of the system is low, and life expectancy is long and healthy.
Health should be a right and not a resource, hoarded for blood profits. You country and culture hear the words social compact and they think socialism.
No, you have social agreements that offer citizens a minimum level of literacy, protection from fire, a standing (and world's most expensive) army, etc...
It's time to get your heads out of your asses, get familiar with the facts, and demand the right to quality health care.
#30 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 1 Mar 2010 at 02:35 AM
I have Anthem Feedom Blue Cross (Advantage PPO) I am very happy with it because I can go to any doctor or hospital. Their is no monthly premiun & most dr. visits are $15. My husband is on a supplimental at $167 medical a mo. & $35 RX a month. We both pay Medicare premium each mo. If my advantage ins. is discontinued & I need to get a supplimental, it will cost $600.00 a month for just the insurance premiums for us both. President Obama said, "If you like your insurance, you can keep it." From what I hear, Medicare Advantage Programs are going away? I wish I could read the small print and find out for myself. Between the ear-marks, big business, lobbyists, and greedy politicians, I find it hard to get the truth. Bottom line, I can't complain about my advantage insurance.
#31 Posted by Linda Hughes, CJR on Sat 20 Mar 2010 at 06:17 PM
Roger, you don't know what you're talking about. I'm also an agent--and a senior on the MAPD plan. The average senior couple saves $7,680 per year on these plans in my area. It breaks down this way: Medigap premium for age 65 $3,600, Part D Premium $1,080, average drug savings $3,000. Most seniors never even come close to the maximum out of pocket of $3,000. My wife had open heart surgery and I had both hips replaced and still did not reach that $3,000. That's because of the low MAPD copays.
#32 Posted by Don Claro, CJR on Sun 25 Apr 2010 at 11:30 AM
I am under 65 and am disabled, without a advantage plan medicare would be of no use to me. The real ripoffs are the part d plans-and the medigap plans when you are disabled.
#33 Posted by mark, CJR on Thu 18 Nov 2010 at 04:57 PM
What happens if your drop your Original Medicare and supplement plan and go to an Advantage plan, and later decide you wish to return to Original + supplement? Will you be allowed back in? Will pre-existing conditions preclude you from returning? Will you be charged more than when you left?
#34 Posted by mark, CJR on Mon 13 Dec 2010 at 10:15 PM
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#35 Posted by cichodajki, CJR on Mon 7 Mar 2011 at 08:05 PM
I have had an Advantage Care Plan through Today's Options, Pyramid Insurance Company since 2006, and I pay $142.00 a month in addition to the $96.50 a month that comes out of my Social Security check. I had regular Medicare in 2005 and I had some really bad health problems which left us owing a lot of money to doctors and hospitals and that is the reason we took out the Advantage Care Plan. From 2006 through March 2010 we didn't have any problems with this company. But in 2011 they started refusing to pay our claims and even took back all the money they had paid to my doctors and hospitals. They took all the money back from the doctors and hospitals going back to April 2010. When I called Today's Options to inquire what was going on they told me that they had found out that I was also covered on my husband's group care plan, Cigna, starting in April 2010.Remember Advantage Care Plans do not co-inusruance with any other insurance company, under any circumstances, so they are always primary. So, at first Todays Options said that were not primary that Cigna was primary. Then I called Cigna and they said they were not primary that Todays Options was Primary. So neither insurance company would pay my health bills. I had always called Todays Options to let them know that my husband had added me to his health inurance plan and they would tell me that it didn't matter to them since they were an Advantage Care plan and they were always primary. Well that all changed in Jan. 2011. Todays Options now used my being on husbands Health Care Plan as excuse not to pay my health bills and even went back to April 2010 (date my husband put me on his Cigna plan) and took back money they had paid to my doctors and hospitals. I called Medicare and explained to them what was happening and they assured me that Todays Options was always primary because it was an Advantage Care Plan and they had to reimburse everyone and they had to pay my health care providers. Besides the company my husband works for is a small electrical company and the number of employees was always under 40, which under Medicare guidelines would put his Cigna Plan as secondary. When I tried to get help from an agency here in my state they said because I had an Advantage Care Plan that I could not have any additional insurance and I would have be taken off my husbands health care plan, even though they were also refusing to pay my bills. If this sounds like an insurance nightmare, then I can assure you it truly is. I can advise any Seniors who are considering an Advantage Care Plan to not go with these crooks. They won't pay your bills and you can not cancel them until October and then you still have to pay them the premiums until Dec. 31. I don't know about the silver gyms and all that because my plan won't even pay my health care claims, little on gyms. Keep your regular Medicare because they will co-insurance with your other health plans. Obama is the one who has mandated that the Advantage Care Plans not pay our health care claims. I have never been late on my premiums and our President has the audacity to stop our insurance companies from paying our health care claims. You can imagine what my doctors and hospitals think of me. I assure you they look at me with dread.
#36 Posted by Janice Cook, CJR on Tue 23 Aug 2011 at 12:06 PM
Does anyone know the truth about medicare advantage?If you do please tell us.And the Question no one can answer. Why is a supplement plan illegal to purchase with medicare advatage? I defy anyone to get an answer to this. Believe me I have tried.
sincerly,tom
#37 Posted by tom, CJR on Thu 5 Apr 2012 at 05:29 PM