
Wednesday, October 5th
Among the tarps, pizza boxes, and people tightly squeezed into Zuccotti Park, there are subtly segmented sections. There’s the art area, towards the back of the park, overflowing with posters. A buffet style food assortment resides near the center, kitty-corner to the sleeping area, where mattresses and sleeping bags lie, some vacant, some not.
Behind the sign marked “info” sat computers, cameras, generators, wireless routers, and lots of electrical cords. This is the media center, where the protesters group and distribute their messages. Those who count themselves among the media team for Occupy Wall Street are self appointed; the same goes with all teams within this community.
As I tried walking into the media area, which is portioned off with a three foot wall of suitcases, tarps, and containers, a man with “security” printed across his shirt stopped me. After I gave my details, I stepped through the narrow opening.

I sat down with Brian Phillips, a former Marine, who quit his job in Washington and hitchhiked to Manhattan to participate. He was wearing a press pass, saying he was a field journalist for a company out of Washington state called Cast Media. He described himself as the communications director and head of security within the media team, and said security is there to keep watch on the stacks of donated computers and other equipment that’s sitting out in the open October air.
Most of the members of Occupy Wall Street’s media team were in a meeting, I was told, one that I would not be allowed to sit in on. Phillips said that as the protest has grown, the media team has been busy coordinating, notably through the “unofficial,” Occupytogether.org. It’s a hub for all Occupy-inspired happenings and updates, a key part of the internal communications network for the Occupy demonstrations. While sitting in the media tent I saw several Skype sessions with other demonstrators. At one point a bunch of people gathered around a computer shouting, “Hey Scotland!” Members of the media team also maintain a livestream, and keep a steady flow of updates on Twitter, Facebook, and Tumblr.

I am told that the media team was not responsible for the print paper that is stacked around, The Occupy Wall Street Journal, and while I’m hard pressed to get a concrete answer about this paper, I later read it was sponsored by donations to Kickstarter, in collaboration with the Indypendent Media Center. These are the last of some 70,000 copies, and there’s a sign up sheet, where people can volunteer to contribute to the next edition. Rumor has it, the second issue will be out next week.
The media team supplies content to post on Occupywallst.org, which Phillips describes as their “frontline for media.” This site contains videos, pictures, and short posts, but remains unofficial, as all things here do, to retain its horizontal hierarchy. It’s this structure that allows anyone to join, and with an ever increasing flow of disenchants, it is not always agreed upon what exactly the message should be. But that’s the point.
Soon after arriving, another internal communications network showed itself. Phillips referred to it as the “people mic.” It begins with someone shouting out, “mic check!” which is then repeated back. A few words at a time, the message is echoed through the crowd, allowing the request or information to spread through to the peripheries of the park. “The cops wont let us use a megaphone or amplification, so we have to yell out what we want to say and then they repeat it back,” Phillips said.
I move on, making my way through the crowd to a sign that reads “Press.” There, I meet Mark Bray, a PhD student at Rutgers, studying European history. This is the public relations table, Bray explains. There has been a “press committee” since the beginning, but this is only the second day that there’s been a designated area for it.

Blogs. Photojournalism work. Boom mike as extension of self. Venture into "accountability portal." Documentary films. Video diaries.
Is everybody there trying to make a buck? Does anything really exist if it is not filmed and recorded? Is Glenn Beck the automatic enemy?
Under it all, a need for gas, the fossil fuel, to keep a faceless generator going.
Freelance is another word for unemployed.
#1 Posted by Joyce Boles, CJR on Fri 7 Oct 2011 at 02:40 PM
The only black guy there is also the only guy working - the cop.
Some "movement" this is. Looks about as "diverse" as the Andy Griffith show was.
I was going to hop on the train this weekend and check it out, but if this is all there is to it, I'm not wasting my time.
#2 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Fri 7 Oct 2011 at 02:56 PM
These are the revolutionaries we've been reading about? Good luck!
#3 Posted by keith roberts, CJR on Fri 7 Oct 2011 at 03:31 PM
Rise up Ye Americans!
Rise up for your future and your children's future!
This is your last chance!
For too long now, both the US government and the US corporate and CIA controlled mainstream media have brainwashed, softened and paralysed the American people into almost total submission and ignorance.
And now the Americans have wakened up?
With millions unemployed, 46 millions on food stamps, millions living in tent cities and shelters, millions of American children subsisting below the poverty line and so much miseries and helplessness among them, there is really no light at the end of the American tunnel now. Instead, the United States squandered more than 700 US$billions annually to perpetuate US global Tyranny and invading small helpless sovereign nations.
This is the window of opportunity to come out in their millions all over the USA to protest, demand and cause rigorous changes in the government and their military.
This is their last chance to effect real change!
Americans are now seeing through the lies and disinformation of their government. The time to keep Americans distracted by blaming and scapegoating foreign nations and intensifying their US military adventures and invasions is rapidly coming to an end.
Americans must now begin their revolution and turn their "American Winter" into a people"s war against mismanagement of their economy, corruption, collaboration between White House, US Congress and the US corporate "elites" and the US military which has run amok globally.
With a militarised political situation in the USA today, it won"t be long before the US National guard and the US military will be released to quell the rightful protests and revolution of the American people.
The peoples of the World are empathetic and supportive of nationwide protests throughout the USA. But the American people must now take the bull by the horns and rid their country of the rubbish in the White House, the US Congress and of course the US military.
This would be the Winter of Discontent and Revolution in the United States of America ….!
#4 Posted by helen, CJR on Fri 7 Oct 2011 at 05:13 PM
All that ranting and not a single idea...
Not a single proposal...
Helen, is there anything to this "revolution" besides snatching other people's stuff?
#5 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Fri 7 Oct 2011 at 05:20 PM
Anyone ask the media team what the point of all this is? Just to let the world know they're angry? Bored? Frustrated? What?
Or how about asking them this question: There seems to be a lot anti-capitalism sentiment expressed at these gatherings. How much of the American public do you believe actually agree with the notion that capitalism is at the root of this country's ills and needs to be abolished?
Or how about this question: If you abolish capitalism, what economic system do you propose to replace it with?
#6 Posted by JB, CJR on Fri 7 Oct 2011 at 05:36 PM
padikiler, you are a classic troll, but i do that that black cop is likely to be a she. Look at the footage on democracy now; far from the all-white crew you pretend to see.
#7 Posted by lauran, CJR on Fri 7 Oct 2011 at 05:43 PM
@lauran
"Troll" means typing things commies don't like reading. I wear the label with pride.
However, I'm not "pretending to see" anything.
I'm just looking at the photos in Alysia's article and noting the REALITY - namely that this group of "revolutionaries" looks about as "diverse" as a Lawrence Welk Christmas Special...
And your guess is as good as mine as to the gender of the cop.
Does anyone have a clue what these pissed-off pasty white boys want, besides Ipads and energy drinks?
I mean... I get that they're pissed off. Other people have stuff, and they want it. And they don't want to do any work to get it. And they want the government to snatch it for them. I get that part.
But is there anything else to this "revolution"?
#8 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Fri 7 Oct 2011 at 05:56 PM
Looking at the photos I see protesters using laptops, cameras, extension microphones, bottled water, folding chairs, plastic wrap, fashion clothing... all invented and produced by capitalists!
#9 Posted by Trish, CJR on Sat 8 Oct 2011 at 12:52 AM
Oh and I forgot the apple, which someone may or may not have grown on their tree at home... methinks the latter though which means they bought it from a capitalist farmer.
#10 Posted by Trish, CJR on Sat 8 Oct 2011 at 12:56 AM
So a supposed former marine shows up, allegedly having "quit his job" in D.C. and hitch-hiked to the protest, and starts throwing around the word "riot" and claiming right-wing nutballs have issued death threats to the assembly?
Nothing fishy about that, I suppose.
Anyway, now that OWS has uniformed "security" folks checking journalists' credentials, has anyone thought up the idea of doing background checks on the dynamic peeps with big forearms who ride in with big stories and big ideas?
#11 Posted by edward ericson jr., CJR on Sat 8 Oct 2011 at 10:10 AM
Have any of you watchdogs ventured downtown to this OWS thing lately?
If it turns into to anything, I'd like to take the kids up this weekend, but I can't seem to find anything interesting enough to justify the trip so far. One of my progeny has commie/liberal tendencies and is dying to go, but he's not quite old enough to do it alone and I'm not hauling ass eight hours each way just to suffer the incoherent blithering of a bunch of pimply-faced Aryan suburban "revolutionaries" bitching that the Jews are stealing all the money on Wall Street.
I have observed two Tea Party rallies and I have to tell you that I didn't see any security guards protecting any spin doctors or PR flunkies manning the "donated" hot spots at either of them.
The message of the Tea Party is clear: Shrink government, cut taxes, cut spending, eliminate regulations...
What's the message of this OWS thing? Has any coherent philosophy developed? Any leadership emerging? Violence? Oppression?
#12 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Sat 8 Oct 2011 at 11:46 AM
The message of the teaparty was clear because it was an ugly political movement funded by and serving the interests of billionaires and political hacks.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/09182009/watch3.html
And for someone who's sensitive about racism charges, you sure are quick to whip out the anti-semitism card. As I remember it, your guys were the ones prancing around in Hitler costumes and your side is the one who likes to talk up Soros and the character of the Hollywood left.
The issue for ows is that people, like Jamie Dimon, are prolonging the depression by using their political influence to prevent the resolution of mortgage problems, to prevent the fixing of the securitization process (which is why there is an ongoing foreclosure crisis), to advocate for bank bailouts, and to stand in opposition to doing anything about unemployment.
It's not about anti-Zionism (which has little-to nothing to do with anti-semitism as many anti-Semitic Christian zionists can demonstrate).
#13 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Sat 8 Oct 2011 at 02:42 PM
"If you just take away our legal liability and help us foreclose on families a little faster, maybe we'll stop hurting the economy." Damn those attorneys, the stupid families, and those politicians who just don't get it.
#14 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Sat 8 Oct 2011 at 03:52 PM
Yeah.. That's what I saw when I personally observed two Tea Party events... a bunch of people holding signs supporting billionaires..
How much crack are you guys smoking?
Thimbles wrote: "The issue for ows is that [unspecified] people, like Jamie Dimon, are prolonging the depression [I thought we were two years into the Obama Recovery] by using their [unspecified] political influence to prevent [in some unspecified manner] the resolution of [unspecified] mortgage problems, to prevent the fixing of the securitization process (which is why there is an ongoing foreclosure crisis) [or so say the commies], to advocate for bank bailouts, and to stand in opposition to doing any [unspecified] thing about unemployment."
padikiller wonders: So the "housing crisis" is a "foreclosure crisis"? Are you commies agreed on this? It's not the much hackneyed "affordable housing" crisis that has been the standard call to commie arms forever?
Well you guys need to let Greg know, because the last time he posted his lame "nobody's talking about housing and education" whine (in July) he was still stuck in the "affordable housing" meme. You guys need to update him on the latest commie goings on.
However, if the foreclosure rate is the purported "crisis", then I agree to a certain point - I think foreclosures are a huge problem, but hardly any "crisis" in the sense that hordes of people are living in tents or sleeping in ditches. Of course, the root of the foreclosure problem is the decline in real estate values brought on by the commie nonsense from liberals (including the GOP, to be sure) and exacerbated greatly by your former Obamessiah and the debt-addicted Dems. If real estate values increase, then foreclosures will stop.
They way to get real estate values to increase is to grow the economy. And the ONLY way to grow the economy is to either (i) borrow and spend tons of more money (been there, done that, can't do it anymore) or (ii) do lots of WORK.
Only WORK creates wealth. And if you need some work done, which is the smarter social policy?
A. Paying people not to work.
B. NOT paying people not to work.
It's a tough one, I know.. But think about for a while and I'm sure the answer will come to you.
Anyhow, Thimbles, I get that you and your OWS commie brethren are pissed at The Man. And my comments were only based on the Jew-bashing video that's gone viral.. I haven't seen this hissy fit with my own eyes - indeed that's why I was asking for eyewitness accounts.
So again.. I get that you guys are pissed off and that you want other people's stuff. Free money for mortgage payments. Free money from the gubmint. Etc. Is that it? No "liberté, égalité, fraternité"? No "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"? Not even a "bread, and freedom!"
Just other people's stuff?
That's one Hell of an ideal you guys have. But hey, I suppose "thievery and sloth" is as good a mantra as anything...
But what's your practical solution to get this thievery and sloth accomplished? Cause from the outside looking in, it sure does look like bunch of snazzily dressed, pasty white punks without any unified vision and without any particular solutions to their perceived social problems. Half the crowd wants anarchy and the other half wants the government running everything. Can't get much more divergent than that, can you?
#15 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Sat 8 Oct 2011 at 04:37 PM
To the people who are assuming the message here is "Down with Capitalism":
You're strawmanning. The message is more like "Here's a system where a tiny fraction of the people have a huge fraction of the wealth, and those not in that fraction can't compete or raise themselves up. That system isn't working for the vast majority of the people. The government that's supposed to serve the people isn't doing anything to alleviate it."
Now, if you say that message is synonomous with "Down with Capitalism," what you're saying is that capitalism is inherently a system where most of the wealth will end up in the hands of a mega-rich minority while the majority suffer. And if that's what you think, how can you possibly support it?
These people don't want free money. They want a system where they can get a job, work, get paid a living wage, and have a fair say their own governance - pretty much all the things this country ws founded for. They're sick of mega-rich corporations buying legislation that co-opts those simple, minimal goals. A job. A home. A chance.
What are the concrete solutions? End tax cuts for the super-rich. End so-called corporate personhood. Invest substantial money in economic stimulus that helps poor and middle class people get jobs and get back on their feet. Make this economy stop working so well for the people who don't need it and start working at all for the people who do.
#16 Posted by Jonah C, CJR on Sat 8 Oct 2011 at 06:57 PM
Jeez, where to start?
""Here's a system where a tiny fraction of the people have a huge fraction of the wealth, and those not in that fraction can't compete or raise themselves up..."
Says who? What's stopping anyone from being the next Steve Jobs or Mark Zuckerburg? What's stopping anyone from starting a lawn business? Or a painting business? Or whatever?
The government that's supposed to serve the people
Says who? We've gone from Kennedy admonishing his liberal base "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" to commies now claiming that government owes them a living... Pitiful...
what you're saying is that capitalism is inherently a system where most of the wealth will end up in the hands of a mega-rich minority while the majority suffer
Again... Says who? Who do you want controlling most of the wealth of a nation? Successful, smart people? Or unsuccessful dumb people? And how does the majority "suffer" in capitalism when wealth is concentrated?
You want to see suffering? Go to Pyongyang... Or Havana. Or anywhere where "equality" is imposed by a government.
The commies think Steve Jobs kept $7 billion in his sock drawer. This is a silly, sophomoric notion. The wealth in our nation lies in equity in businesses where it benefits LOTS of people. Who do you commies think should have controlled the $7 billion in Apple stock that Jobs held? Him? Or Joe Blow, a cab driver in St. Louis? Which form of ownership grows the economy?
The only reason Steve Jobs ended up with $7 billion in wealth is because he CREATED many times that wealth.
This is a concept commies just can't accept. Wealth is not fixed. It is created by work and destroyed by sloth. Rich people CREATE wealth by facilitating work. Welfare programs destroy wealth by fostering sloth. And churning wealth by robbing from successful people to give to unsuccessful people doesn't grow the economy at all.
These people don't want free money. They want a system where they can get a job, work, get paid a living wage, and have a fair say their own governance
First of all, nothing is stopping anybody from getting a job and working, even in this "Obama Recovery". More importantly, when you say "living wage", what you mean is "the government forcing an employer to pay me more money than I deserve in a free market" - Ergo, free money. Finally, everybody has a fair say in our representative democracy.
End tax cuts for the super-rich. End so-called corporate personhood. Invest substantial money in economic stimulus that helps poor and middle class people get jobs and get back on their feet.
In sum, you argue that the government can make jobs better than the private sector can. History has proven you wrong. How'd that last TRILLION DOLLAR STIMULUS work out for job situation? Have you ever worked for a poor person? Taking more money from the "rich" in the middle of a recession is an unquestionably stupid move, even in the misguided Keynesian economics.
#17 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Sat 8 Oct 2011 at 08:13 PM
The Padikiller Manifesto
Since the commies can't really tell us what they want, I thought I'd put up a list of Constitutional Amendments that would do this country some good
1. Provide that each Representative have no more than 100,000 constituents. Currently each member of the House has almost 700,000 constituents. This is too many. Representatives have too much power and too little accountability. They have more constituents than some governors or Senators.
2.Repeal the 17th Amendment that provides popular election of Senators. Senators aren't supposed to be the pretty or popular guys and they should stand above the rancor and whim of day-to-day politics. They should be appointed by the state legislatures, as they were until 1913. Something should be done to prevent the abuses of power that spurred the 17th Amendment, however. The popular election should be replaced by a recall mechanism to allow voters and state legislatures to get rid of corrupt or inept Senators.
3; Eliminate the corporate taxation entirely. Corporate profits are currently double taxed - First the profits are taxed to the corporation, and then the remaining profits are taxed when they are distributed as dividends. Taxing corporations makes American business uncompetitive.
4. Implement the Fair Tax - a national sales tax with provisions to protect low income earners. We currently tax income. We don't tax consumption. The simple rule of the ages is "tax what you don't want, don't tax what you want". We want people to make money, we don't want people to overconsume. The Fair Tax was the brainchild of a bunch of smart people who spent millions of dollars studying the best and fairest way to implement a national tax. We should listen to these smart people.
5. Balanced budget amendment. Actually, all we need is a federal law that says that no congressmen get paid in any year in which a balanced budget is not passed and a 80% tax on campaign funds in that year. That would do it.
6. Legalize drugs. Or eliminate them. Either way works, but what we have now doesn't. We say, "here kid, use a clean needle from the government, but if we catch you with heroin, you're a felon". We should either do Amsterdam or Singapore. Either we should legalize drugs, or execute drug dealers and flay users. Being a libertarian, I much prefer the former, but I do acknowledge the efficacy of the latter. Legalizing drugs will bring a litany of attendant social ills, but it would be better than what we have now.
7. Stop the Gravy Train. A new Amendment that prohibits the issuance of any check from the U.S. Treasury to any individual except as payment for goods or services rendered to U.S. for value. SSI - gone. Agricultural subsidies - gone. SBA loans -gone. Pell grants - gone. Etc. People should bitch to their state capitals for free money from the gubmint, not to the federal government.
8. Invest federal revenue in nuclear fusion and algae biodiesel technologies. This runs counter to my libertarian leanings, but it's necessary.
The cost of implementing practical nuclear fusion is too high to bear for any private company, but the end result is crucial to prosperity and world peace. The top inch of Lake Erie has more potential energy in its deuterium than all the oil reserves of the world. Fusion has no byproducts other than heat and helium. Practical nuclear fusion would solve all of the world's energy problems.
There is no practical alternative to thermodynamic internal combustion propulsion for cars. Witness the Chevy Volt, a car that costs $50 grand and goes 25 miles on a charge that takes 12 hours to accomplish. Algae has the potential to produce enough biodiesel to replace all of the gasoline and oil currently in use by the entire world. However, while the technology exists, we need the vast areas of sunny federal land to make it work.
#18 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Sun 9 Oct 2011 at 09:28 AM
Hey Padman- Communist this commie that... Most of the stuff you buy is 'Made in China'... That is still a Communist country that is repressive and doesn't have a free press. They play both sides against the middle to get control of YOU and YOUR country.
BTW... brevity is the soul of wit. Get it?
g~
#19 Posted by el Garee~, CJR on Sun 9 Oct 2011 at 01:35 PM
el Greee wrote: Most of the stuff you buy is 'Made in China'... That is still a Communist country that is repressive and doesn't have a free press. They play both sides against the middle to get control of YOU and YOUR country.
padikiller responds: You're preaching to the choir, Brother.
If I had my way, I'd impose a 500% tariff on all Chinese goods.
Doing so would hurt, I know. But we need to break free of Chinese dependence.
#20 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Sun 9 Oct 2011 at 02:20 PM
"The issue for ows is that [unspecified] people, like Jamie Dimon, are prolonging the depression [I thought we were two years into the Obama Recovery]"
Thought it was pretty specific when I mentioned Jamie Dimon. Guess I need to go through the whole politically connected to wall street list? (Rubin, Peterson, Geithner, etc to stop myself from going over the 600 character limit). You know, the people communists listen to when formulating economic policy - bankers.
And no, those policies weren't designed to help the economy recover, they were designed to help the banks not collapse in on themselves due to the weight of executive greed during the credit glut.
"by using their [unspecified] political influence"
Are you in denial about this too?
"So the "housing crisis" is a "foreclosure crisis"? Are you commies agreed on this? It's not the much hackneyed "affordable housing" crisis that has been the standard call to commie arms forever?"
Commie. Commie. Commie. It's a shame the right wing has had nothing better to contribute to the discussion over the last 60 years. You'd think MacArthy would have worn the term out, but... So I guess if we can slap labels on eachother without merit you won't mind the term pedophile. So anyways, you racist pedophile, the foreclosure crisis is a complicated matter which takes a little focus to understand, something which I hear pedophiles like yourself have trouble with between lynchings.
You see banks securitzed loan products by mortgage brokers that should never have been brought to market. These were low to no doc loans with all sorts of teaser rates of interest, prepayment penalties, adjustable rates of interest, etc that would have been hard for families to pay off even if the underwriting standards had been maintained. They were debt bombs.
And these debt bombs were made worse by the massive scale of fraudulent details entered in these contracts, often without the buyers knowledge (which was why the brokers kept whiteout on their desks) qualifying these buyers for loans that were entirely unjustified based on their actual income level.
The banks, run by pedophiles similar to yourself, made these products rigged to make house owners default without looking at the long term picture of what the effect of mass default would be on the housing market.
You see the housing market had been inflated since people were receiving large tax cuts which allowed them to put more money into large assets. Those who could not afford to buy worried about being priced out of markets with nice schools and amenities so they got easy credit and bought in while the market was high. This was the affordable housing crisis.
Now, because of pedophile greed which made rigged products and sold many of them to minorities (though they qualified for better products) for obvious reasons, we have mass defaults which banks do not want to resolve by reducing the principle or changing the interest rates since that would put them on the hook for the securities they sold(and the fraud it was sold under), but they don't want to default since that further depresses the value of their assets which are on their balance sheets.
So they are putting the assets on other people's balance sheets as fast as they can while foreclosing on houses so they can shut the door on their fraudulent practices. Obama, the communist according to the kkk's pedophile wing, has been supporting this as part of a "save the banks, save the world" strategy.
People who lose their houses do not a recovery make. The banks are not acting as efficient allocators of capital, they are dragging the economy down and forcing the federal reserve, Fannie, and Freddie to assume their bad assets to preserve their positions and bonuses. All of which you pedos defend and deny is happening.
Since you asked.
#21 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Sun 9 Oct 2011 at 02:31 PM
(see? Your demands for 'specification' ate the bottom of my response)
Obama, the communist, has supported these activities whole heartedly as part of a "save the banks, screw the debtors, save the world" strategy. But homeless people and foreclosed communities do not a recovery make. As regions collapse from excessive foreclosure, the jobs in those regions collapse causing more foreclosures and spreading the contagion. This further depresses the value of assets, increases the load on state social services, and forces more people out of their homes. The alternative was to compel the banks to redraw the mortgage contracts of qualified borrowers so that the foreclosure contagion was contained, but that's when Santelli came out with his famous rant in front of a group of wall street traders who cried about "moral hazard" while accepting bailout money. Yes, that's what kicked off the loopy lunatics called the tea party who want to cut government spending and regulation during a deflationary spiral set off by rampant private sector fraud. Thanks for your ideas pedos, we've tried enough of them over the decades up to now. You should probably sit down until you can own up to your mistakes and develop the capacity for shame.
#22 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Sun 9 Oct 2011 at 02:59 PM
Thimbles wrote: The banks, run by pedophiles similar to yourself
padikiller responds: This is defamation.
Where in the Hell do you get off tossing out filthy vile libel like this?
You equate "commie" to "pedophile"? A communal political philosophy is the logical equivalent of perverse predation of children?
This is just another example of leftist terrorism. You can't deal with the issues or facts so you lash out with juvenile filth. You're going to get yourself in trouble acting this way, unless you grow up soon.
"Commie" is being generous to you guys. I can respect a good old-school soviet philosophy. Five year plans once a week. New constitutions every couple of months. 5000 lb Fiats. Etc.
You guys have some new Keynesian/commie idea that the Man is somehow keeping the Money Fairy from visiting you at night and that the Gubmint can make it all better for you. It's just silly.
Anyhow, I get that you and your commie buddies are pissed off, Thimbles. I get that you want free stuff. Free money. Free health care. Free food. Free beer. Whatever.
I get that you guys think the banks "rigged" mortgages to make borrowers default (yeah.. like mortgage defaults really help the bottom line for banks).
I get that you blame The Man for all of the perceived injustice in downtown, SoHo and in every trendy park south of Harlem.
But what I don't get and what I don't see...
Is what you guys propose to do about any of it.
Looking at the photos from around the country, the grass roots part of this "movement" appears to be nothing but a Brooks Brothers/Gap/American Eagle hissy fit for disgruntled white boys. A bunch of disjointed nonsense.
See, the Tea Party didn't need PR people or spin doctors to make the point. The whole world got the point. They wanted small government. And they sure as hell made a real difference in American politics.
What the Hell do you guys want? Why do you guys need PR people? And what's your plan?
If all you want to do is jump up and down and bitch about the The Man, haven't you accomplished that already? Dude, when Bloomberg tells you that you're starting to smell bad, don't you think it's time to either go home or accomplish something?
#23 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Sun 9 Oct 2011 at 03:15 PM
"You equate "commie" to "pedophile"? A communal political philosophy is the logical equivalent of perverse predation of children?"
From what you've written, yes. Communism is a perverse predation of people's money and those who advocate for regulation, for criminal penalties for fraud, and for counter cyclical economic policy are commies. Hell, people who support the banks and allow slush funds for them to use to escape regulation are commies. Are you upset because somehow the term pedophile is [unspecified] inaccurate? My gosh! And I had no idea that words on a page could be construed as terrorism, but then again I lack the logical consistency and accuracy of a pedophile. I guess you have to go to school and charge $285 an hour for that.
#24 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Sun 9 Oct 2011 at 03:52 PM
More on that unspecified influence here.
#25 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Sun 9 Oct 2011 at 04:23 PM
Still nothing but a bunch of whining.
When this "movement" has any sort of plan, you guys get back to me, OK?
#26 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Sun 9 Oct 2011 at 08:46 PM
What reason for Occupy the wall street Media Team?
http://apex2apex.net/forums/member.php?u=3912
#27 Posted by Iunius smith, CJR on Mon 10 Oct 2011 at 12:18 AM
It would appear that "Occupy DC" is also a predominantly male and an overwhelmingly caucasian phenomenon. This despite the fact that DC is more than 50% black and nearly 10% hispanic.
About the only definite message I see among these protesters is "Stop War". Most of the rest of it is nothing but griping about the standard commie Boogey Men ("Wall Street", corporations, the "rich", student loans, etc) with a sprinkling of other leftist positions (like "Save Palestine").
Looks like nothing but a bunch of spoiled, underworked, overfed, well-dressed white boys with no direction and too much spare time on their hands.
http://www.google.com/search?channel=fs&q=occupy+dc&oe=utf-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1366&bih=580
These kids have no idea what they want, other than convincing the government to give them somebody else's stuff. This has got to be the most asinine "revolution" the world has ever seen.
#28 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Mon 10 Oct 2011 at 08:46 AM
If you are going to come up with demands etc.. to redress problems, it's essential to define the problems. Let's go through the problems:
1. Democracy is supposed to function on behalf of the interests and benefits of the citizens. Because Democracy is embedded in capitalism, there is a danger that the benefits of the citizens can be overrun by the accumulators of capital. Economic clout should not trump democratic clout.
However, since Democracy in America functions as a representative body, the corruption of representatives and the agencies of government are frequent. Citizens require government to have transparent bodies and they require the ability to assert control over those bodies when they act malignant on the order of bribes instead of public consent.
2. Taxation has turned perversely against work and for speculation and betting. Marginal incomes are undertaxed and placed into investments to avoid the taxes they have. That money has given unacceptable power to the finance industry, fed destabilizing bubbles to the detriment of stable growth, and deprived Democratic government of the funds required to function - never mind provide the public infrastructure required for a 21st century economy or counter a collapsing business cycle.
3. The symtoms of perverse taxation are found most within the legal entities called corporations. These legal "beings" collect income, own property, commit crimes, influence elections, and claim rights special to human beings while shirking human responsibilities. If we are going to continue maintaining these legal fictions, we should define exactly what they are, what they are entitled to, and what their responsibilities and liabilities are in the environment in which they inhabit. In particular, they should not have the right to free speech if speech equals political contributions.
4. If government is supposed to be a public servant, it should not require private masters for campaigns. Mass media campaigns are unnecessarily expensive and put a burden on public servants to seek donations to forward their careers. With citizens united, private entities can extort public servants by threatening to run anonymous negative advertising. Speech should be free, but it should also be equally accessible to citizens and documented as to who is speaking.
5. Regulatory agencies have also been put into positions where they seek funds from regulatorees to function. As we saw in private markets with ratings agencies, requiring a regulatory body to seek its funding from its subjects turns the regulatorees into clients and compromises the regulators. Banks, Drug Companies, Mining and oil companies are not clients of the government. They are entities seeking public consent in order to function. They should not be allowed to function if they do not meet the criteria the public demands.
In short, the problem is that money owns politics and has constructed a system which does not benefit the whole, but leaves them indebted and unemployed while public officials discuss cutting their few means of public support and how to rip apart the entitlements they've paid into all their working lives. It is a system in which criminals walk the halls like kings in italian suits. The problem is citizens have become ever more disconnected from their democracy while the top 1% has grafted itself to it. Money drives elections and, by extension, it drives politics. And right now it is driving America into the dirt.
Now, what are some of the means for attacking these problems? Fill in your own and I will respond with a few solutions later.
#29 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 10 Oct 2011 at 01:40 PM
"And right now"... it is driving America into the dirt.
(600 characters, so strict thy limit be)
Now, what are some of the means for attacking these problems? Fill in your own and I will respond with a few solutions later.
#30 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Mon 10 Oct 2011 at 01:45 PM
"Democracy is supposed to function on behalf of the interests and benefits of the citizens."
Who (besides commies) says the government owes benefits to citizens?
"Marginal incomes are undertaxed and placed into investments to avoid the taxes they have"
???????
Who (besides commies) says marginal incomes are undertaxed. The richest 10% of Americans pay 71% of all income taxes and 55% percent of all federal taxes, while half of American households pay no federal income tax at all.
Let me ask you commies a simple damned question: What percentage of the federal income tax should the wealthiest 10 percent of Americans pay?
Another simple damned question: WHY do you commies think having a minority of Americans paying into the treasury is good policy?
HUH?
"If we are going to continue maintaining these legal fictions, we should define exactly what they are, what they are entitled to, and what their responsibilities and liabilities are in the environment in which they inhabit. In particular, they should not have the right to free speech if speech equals political contributions."
Yeah, but unions and PAC's are fine, right?
You guys want it both ways. Corporations cannot act. I don't know what it will take to squeeze this REALITY into your commie neurons, but the truth is the truth. Corporations cannot sign checks. Corporations cannot dump sludge in rivers, or discriminate in hiring, or cheat on taxes. Each and every act made in the name of corporation is accomplished by a living, breathing human being who should be held accountable for criminal or tortious conduct
Corporations exist to encourage people to risk 100% of their investments into business enterprises without risking their entire net worth
If people can join up and speak through unions and PAC's... Why not through corporations or LLC's?
"Speech should be free, but it should also be equally accessible"
It IS equally accessible. Nothing's stopping you from spewing your defamatory nonsense here, is it?
If you're talking about dollar caps on political campaigns, I'm all for it. But if you're talking about keeping management hushed while letting labor dump millions into campaigns, then that's just silly talk.
"Regulatory agencies have also been put into positions where they seek funds from regulatorees to function"
This is just asinine. Regulations don't work. They didn't stop Madoff, Worldcom, Enron, Goldman Sachs, AIG, etc.. Regulations were in place to prevent all of these scandals, and in every case regulators knew or should known about them early and prevented them..
Nonetheless, the commie solution to regulatory failure is always more of it. More regulations, more regulators. That'll fix it. And now we have the crazy idea of regulatees directly paying regulators. Official bribery. That's a great idea!
You don't want something to happen? Tax it. You do want something to happen? Don't tax it. Can't tolerate something happening? Criminalize it and prosecute whoever does it. There. Problem solved. We don't need regulatory boards.
#31 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Mon 10 Oct 2011 at 02:56 PM
For an organization that is supposed to be on the forefront of journalism the Columbia Journalism Review really needs to rethink their comments section. Perhaps a rating system? Or short character limit? Or maybe even moderating it to keep it interesting? Otherwise you're just going to have fools like padikiller posting and reposting the same boring comments.
#32 Posted by AJ, CJR on Mon 10 Oct 2011 at 08:37 PM
@AJ
These comments are in fact moderated..
When I equated an admitted act of unemployment fraud to thievery (which it is, by operation of state and federal law, let alone morally speaking) my comment was deleted as "defamatory".
Of course, calling me a racist and a pedophile (or merely a fool) is just fine... No defamation or harassment there.
Hush the opposition - through noise, through censorship, through ad hominem, through libel.
It's the liberal way.
Because liberalism can't withstand scrutiny and it can't suffer debate.
Now, was there any point you were trying to make about the OWS Hissy Fit, or were you just griping about me "to keep it interesting"?
#33 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Mon 10 Oct 2011 at 09:32 PM
The Chicago Hissy Fit seems to be even paler than the others:
I don't see any minorities at all in this photo.
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmx28yAGQs1qzwd5oo1_500.jpg
Or in the one of the crowd on the front page of here:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/11/us-wallstreet-protests-chicago-idUSTRE79946S20111011
If you click the slideshow, it appears as though they've made an effort to take closeup photographs of every black participant they could find, but the group shots make it clear that this thing was a predominantly white bread event.
#34 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Mon 10 Oct 2011 at 11:32 PM
The Occupy Boston Hissy is also vanilla:
http://roarmag.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Occupy-Boston.jpg
Now the press jumped all over the paleness of the Tea Party crowds... Where is the press on the lack of diversity among the commies?
HUH?
#35 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Tue 11 Oct 2011 at 08:30 AM
You really like to focus on race, don't you. Scary black muslim this, uneducated black man in the white house that. Why is race so important to you?
Perhaps the reason why the tea party's demographic was criticized was because of the race baiting by republicans during the 2008 campaign and how that flowed into the tea party movement in 2009.
When you got a bunch of elderly idiots carrying around signs claiming "Obama's Plan = WHITE SLAVERY" one has to wonder if this is an american movement or this is a white american movement.
Race was real important to those tea partiers. "Oh goodness, there's a scary black communist in the white house! Grab the children and take our country back!"
Is it so important to you?
#36 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 11 Oct 2011 at 11:36 AM
Moving on.
As Bernie Sanders put it back during his filibuster of the Obama/Bush tax cuts many of the problems listed above are rooted in tax policy.
So here are some proposals.
1. The Bush tax cuts should be rolled back at minimum. There is no way America will hold the revenues necessary to deal with crisis and meet its obligations while these "shrink the government until you can drown it in a tub" type policies are banished. Restore tax revenues, primarily from the one percent which is making more than the bottom fifty.
2. If the government is to remain separate from the businesses it regulates, if it is going to abstain from viewing its duties as serving a client, then election campaigns must be publicly funded and candidates should be able to qualify for candidacy monies by party primary. Television campaign ads should either be made open and free or banned so that campaigns can be conducted through open platforms such as the internet. Public airwaves should be made available for public uses.
3. Wallstreet has been benefiting through high frequency trading and short term buying selling to the detriment of long term stable investment. As someone put it, "You don't want something to happen? Tax it. You do want something to happen? Don't tax it." There should be a transaction tax to limit the amount of destabilizing transactions and to assist in the recording of market activity.
More on the dealing with economic fallout/tax policy later.
#37 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 11 Oct 2011 at 11:59 AM
Worth a watch:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/44827181#44827181
Particularly 20 minutes in when he starts talking about student debt.
#38 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 11 Oct 2011 at 12:15 PM
Uno
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/perennial-revolutionary-programme-of.html
Dos
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/53-by-david-atkins.html
#39 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 11 Oct 2011 at 12:40 PM
Let's do this again:
1. What percentage of the federal income tax should the wealthiest 10% of Americans pay?
HUH?
2. Why do commies think that having half the households in American paying NO federal income tax is a good thing?
HUH?
#40 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Tue 11 Oct 2011 at 11:20 PM
Hey paidkiller pedo, why do you focus so much on race?
HUH?
#41 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Tue 11 Oct 2011 at 11:43 PM
Thimbles wrote: "why do you focus so much on race?"
padikiller responds:
Because racial divisions permeate our society, Thimbo, and because your commie brethren perpetuate them. Because black people are screwed under the commie/liberal stupidity. Just witness any group photos of your pasty white commie get togethers and get back to me on why I bring it up here.
A black kid born into the welfare underclass with a single mother and an absent father doesn't stand a chance from the very beginning if his or her life. A white kid born into similar circumstances stands a better statistical chance of staying alive, healthy, out of prison or on unemployment. This is just the statistical reality. If you want to argue the point, just review the sentencing guidelines in any state in this union before you reply.
The aforementioned black kid is screwed by the "Great Society". There is no message encouraging this kid to achieve that is given to him or her, ever. No admonition to play by the rules. Or to do any work.
The message to these kids is to scam the system. To depend on others for sustenance. To leach. To deal drugs. Or to score "easy money" in some other criminal or illicit manner.
I see it every day in my professional capacity. There is a predominantly black housing project in a jurisdiction where I practice where mothers put their kids to bed in bathtubs to protect them from stray gunfire on the weekends after the first of the month.
What's your commie plan to fix this problem? HUH?
Moving on, let's do this again:
1. What percentage of the federal income tax should the wealthiest 10% of Americans pay?
HUH?
2. Why do commies think that having half the households in American paying NO federal income tax is a good thing?
HUH?
Race matters, dude, and the racial disparity in this country has only widened under commie/liberal policies.
This is the R E A L I T Y . Deal with it.
#42 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Wed 12 Oct 2011 at 12:32 AM
The reality?
The reality is this protest had nothing to do with race until you thought "Gee what a good talking point to use. I'll defend my rich white buddies by pretending that the people protesting their robbery are as lilly white as they are."
The reality is liberals are not responsible for the massive deindustrialization of the American economy, the accompanying de-unionization of the private sector labor force, the prioritizing of tax cuts over education and health, the minority focused drug war and the private prison system which benefits from it, the crappy loans given by wallstreet to minorities designed to steal assets - not build them, and the racial stereotypes that people like you use to label minorities. That's all from vile conservatives from Reagan on.
Even paidkiller admits that, in the great conservative society, "A black kid born into the welfare underclass with a single mother and an absent father doesn't stand a chance from the very beginning if his or her life. A white kid born into similar circumstances stands a better statistical chance of staying alive, healthy, out of prison or on unemployment."
And what does paidkiller think we should do about it? Nothing, except tear down the shreds that exist of the New Deal and the Great Society left. Every man for himself, all men are created equal, but the white man should be more equal than others. Ain't conservatism grand.
"If a woman doesn't want to get beat, she should respect her man and do the dishes."
"If a black man wants steak and ho ho's, he should get a minimum wage job in an unsafe ghetto and work for it. And never mind the fact that we conservatives work to make those jobs, and life, ever more demanding, cruel, and penurious for the benefit of the white wall street owners, it's all the liberals fault."
Once again, paidkiller defends an unjust system and, once again, paidkiller knows no shame.
#43 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 12 Oct 2011 at 11:43 AM
I broached to subject of race after examining photo after photo of these commie hissy fits that are popping up across the country and after noticing that they are overwhelmingly white and predominantly male events. And I made this point here only to contrast the coverage of these events with the coverage of the Tea Party events (which were also overwhelmingly white, but were largely cast by the media as "racist" events).
As for the rest... Welfare creates ghettos. It perpetuates ghettos.
Racial problems are exacerbated by the commie/liberal welfare machine. Mitigation of race problems requires uniform expectations of all people, regardless of the color of their skin.
The government response to racial disparity has nearly always been to lower the bar for minorities - a response that only pumps gasoline on the fire of racial division. In the few cases where accountability programs have been imposed and enforced, they have worked wonders and have proven that minorities can excel in challenging environments if given the opportunity. However, the commies do everything they can to resist any sort of accountability initiative - witness the cheating scandal that recently permeated nearly the entire school system in Atlanta.
The way out of this mess is to kill welfare and to all require people (regardless of skin tone) to meet a set of minimum expectations or face consequences while simultaneously ensuring that all people have equal rights.
#44 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Wed 12 Oct 2011 at 01:07 PM
That "March on Millionaires" hissy in Manhattan seems to have missed a few of the millionaire's homes:
Like George Soros, for example (the richest man in Manhattan).
And former Enron advisor Paul Krugman.
And GE CEO/billionaire Jeff Immelt.
And LightSquared's corporate welfare-sucking, Obama supporting, billionaire backer Phillip Falcone - his $50 million East side pad curiously escaped commie attention in this latest hissy fit.
Yeah... You guys really have a coherent message going on.
#45 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Wed 12 Oct 2011 at 01:52 PM
"If a woman doesn't want to get beat, she should respect her man and do the dishes."
Conservatism. Too absurd to satire.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44868091/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
" Suspects in Topeka domestic violence cases are leaving jail without being charged, and advocates for abuse survivors say victims are growing more scared amid a public squabble over who should pay to prosecute the crimes...
It also didn't help that the repeal came during National Domestic Violence Awareness Month. City and county officials reported receiving hundreds of emails in just days from people upset over the situation."
#46 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 12 Oct 2011 at 01:55 PM
More on policies we should do.
4. Reinstitute Glass–Steagall. Break up the big financial institutions. Keep federally insured depositors separate and discrete from gamblers. This would eliminate TBTF while preventing bank runs on the credit system we require. The break up could also allow the newly formed depositor institutions with balance sheets overloaded with mortgages to be temporarily nationalized as was done with the S&L's in the 90's.
5. Utilize tariffs to enforce minimum standards of labor and environmental protections within trading countries. This will stimulate the domestic manufacturing industry and raise living standards around the globe. This will also force the one percent to distribute the wealth with their partners in production instead of tossing scraps to their low cost serfs as is done today.
6. Commit to some inflation. The country has a debt hangover. If you commit to building domestic industry and wage inflation, this will mitigate the damage done by excessive debt by devaluing it.
7. Rebuild and invest in public energy infrastructure. As Dukakis said in 2009 "you want get out the bid when the economy is down and contractors are hungry. So they bid low." Stimulate the economy, reduce unemployment, invest in modern tech to produce energy at a more economical/less environmental cost, get the country WORKING.
8. Enforce the law. Gather forensic accountants, make them go through the details of wall street's transactions over the last decade, revoke the fraudlent's right to practice, fine them, and/or jail them if cause is found. Purify the finance industry with fire. If nothing else, it will stimulate the litigation industry as the robber barrons struggle to defend themselves.
#47 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Wed 12 Oct 2011 at 02:22 PM
¡Viva la Revolución!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uE2M7g_IWSE#!
Who says there isn't a message here?...
In other news... CNN is spinning the message that there isn't any message among the commies and that there isn't supposed to be any message.
Just rage. Kinda like Mr. Furious in Mystery Men, I suppose.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/10/12/technology/occupy_wall_street_demands/index.htm
Just ignore those bank and brokerage ads and take in the Maoism....
#48 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Wed 12 Oct 2011 at 06:43 PM
Ooo. I missed this on the first pass:
"I broached to subject of race after examining photo after photo of these commie hissy fits that are popping up across the country and after noticing that they are overwhelmingly white and predominantly male events. And I made this point here only to contrast the coverage of these events with the coverage of the Tea Party events (which were also overwhelmingly white, but were largely cast by the media as "racist" events)."
Again, maybe if the tea party didn't have actual racists saying this like "President Obama has only one response to adversity...
"Bend over". Show your ass. Brownnose.
He genuflects to homophobic, misogynist, antisemite Saudi princes as quickly as he does to Chinese or Japanese officials. He's an "agenda-neutral" suckass.
He's an undereducated, inexperienced freshman Senator who had never run a damned thing in his life before the liberal moonbats put him in office. He's never had to make payroll, because he's never actually been in a position to contribute anything to the American economy. His only jobs have involved spending government money collected from taxpayers.
The Dude never attended a public school in his life (at least not that I can find).
He's a total zero. He's the Dude who got into private Ivy League schools somehow with the helfp of Black Muslim friends ( we don't know exactly how because he won't disclose his academic record like President Bush did).
Then maybe race wouldn't have been such an issue, ya think padi?
But you and others can't help yourselves. If you want to get the conservative crowd to come to dinner, you have to put some delicious "white victimization" on the table. Isn't that why you're focused on race? Because your attitude is "the black man doesn't work for all I give him, therefore I stand with the billionaires"?
Because I got news for you, nobody is on more welfare than those greedy, criminal banks you defend and it doesn't matter how the demographics of OWS play out, they are right. Instead of obsessing about some imagined racially based victimhood, they are attacking the real criminals and the real causes of social decay. It's a pity that you can't take of your racial blinders for a moment to see that.
You poor white guy.
#49 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Thu 13 Oct 2011 at 10:52 AM
And in other news, from the hippies at the business insider, look at all the pretty pictures.
#50 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Thu 13 Oct 2011 at 11:00 AM
Whoops, I screwed up the link to the racist rant. There, that's better, don't you think padi?
#51 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Thu 13 Oct 2011 at 11:04 AM
Somebody's got wallstreet's number:
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/poor-widdle-babies-by-david-atkins.html
"The average Wall Streeter is essentially a narcissist who believes that he's really that much smarter and harder working than everyone else. It doesn't matter if he contributes anything of value to society; it doesn't matter if his company is failing or succeeding. It doesn't matter if his actions crash the entire world's economy. He's worth it, because he just is. And if he doesn't get his God-given right to make millions of dollars, there's something wrong with the world and the parasites in government and society who are stopping him from getting his due...
The fact that they've been making a killing isn't a reflection of their inherent worth, nor of the natural order. It's the product of a system deliberately rigged to allow them to do so on the backs of everyone else. It's high time that the cream of the crop of our academic institutions produce professionals devoted to actually improving society, rather than destroying it for no other purpose but their own enrichment.
That's what the protests are about, and they will continue until that imbalance is corrected."
Lots of anecdotes of hard done by executives who expected 6 figures and got only 5. Suffer the little children.
Meanwhile...the people for billionaires and bankers who spent social security surpluses on their tax cuts are agrieved that the impoverished 40% or so of the population aren't paying income tax. Poor billionaire victims.
#52 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Thu 13 Oct 2011 at 01:30 PM
Reuters explores the Soros-OWS connection:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/13/us-wallstreet-protests-origins-idUSTRE79C1YN20111013
It is interesting that the "March on Millionaires" curiously missed visiting Mr. Soros' at his Gotham castle, since he is not only the richest man in Manhattan, and one of the ten richest people in the world, but most importantly since he was the direct beneficiary of special federal legislation that made him even richer.
Go figure...
#53 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Thu 13 Oct 2011 at 03:30 PM
Is that the best you racist pedo's got? A sleazy piece of drudge bait that goes nowhere, quotes limbaugh as authoritative, and provides nothing in the way of evidence?
This, from the guy who demands to see banker fingerprints on stacks of fraudulently earned money before he'll tolerate evil spoke of his bank buddies, this is what you've got?
"Reuters did find indirect financial links between Soros and Adbusters, an anti-capitalist group in Canada which started the protests with an inventive marketing campaign aimed at sparking an Arab Spring type uprising against Wall Street."
Ooooo how much are those links worth?
"Lasn said Adbusters is 95 percent funded by subscribers paying for the magazine. "George Soros's ideas are quite good, many of them. I wish he would give Adbusters some money, we sorely need it," he said. "He's never given us a penny."
"Disclosure documents also show Tides, which declined comment, gave Adbusters grants of $185,000 from 2001-2010, including nearly $26,000 between 2007-2009."
Tides? Really? $18.5 thousand per year over 10 years? Really?
"Soros and the protesters share some ideological ground."
That's it? That, in comparison to this and this? You have got to be kidding.
#54 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Thu 13 Oct 2011 at 04:47 PM
You gotta wonder how the richest man in Manhattan avoided the "March on Millionaires"...
Something smelly in Old Amsterdam (besides the unwashed commie horde).
#55 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Thu 13 Oct 2011 at 04:54 PM
"Something smelly in Old Amsterdam (besides the unwashed commie horde)."
Maybe it's the odor of a stinking racist. That's your neighborhood, is it not?
#56 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Thu 13 Oct 2011 at 07:30 PM
Does anyone know how George Soros escaped the ire of the commies?
He is the richest man in Manhattan, after all.
Why didn't the commies visit him on their march?
HUH?
#57 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Thu 13 Oct 2011 at 07:41 PM
What idiots are currently debating in cartoon form.
#58 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Thu 13 Oct 2011 at 07:46 PM
"Does anyone know how George Soros escaped the ire of the commies?"
I guess they figured he had enough problems with all the stupid racists.
#59 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Thu 13 Oct 2011 at 07:56 PM
Seriously...
Does anyone know why George Soros was spared the wrath of the "March on Millionaires" since he's the richest guy in Manhattan?
HUH?
#60 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Thu 13 Oct 2011 at 08:26 PM
Do you care to explain why you've called America's first black president an uneducated communist who only got where he was at Harvard because of his Black Muslim friends?
HUH?
#61 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Thu 13 Oct 2011 at 09:03 PM
I called Obama undereducated, not uneducated...
Because he is.
What was his GPA at Occidental? At Columbia? At Harvard?
Bush released his academic records from Yale and Harvard. Why didn't Obama?
Huh?
Obama is the only editor of the Harvard Law Review who never contributed a word... An attorney who never tried a case.
He's never signed a paycheck in his life. He never ran any organization before he was elected (at least not any any of our 57 states).
And I called Obama a communist because he is one.
He started his political career in the living room of a Weather Underground bomber - the home of unrepentant terrorist that even Canada won't tolerate. He spent 20 years in a radical "God damn America" church (that he ultimately threw under the bus). He stated that his time on Wall Street was like working for the enemy. He wants to "spread the wealth" and has stated that "at some point, you've made enough money".
And he undoubtedly had influential Black Muslim friends. He was chastised by Farrakhan's minion for failing to follow the directions he was given at Farrakhan's dinner table.
#62 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Thu 13 Oct 2011 at 10:23 PM
Seriously...
Does anyone know why George Soros was spared the wrath of the "March on Millionaires" since he's the richest guy in Manhattan?
HUH?
#63 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Thu 13 Oct 2011 at 10:25 PM
"I called Obama undereducated, not uneducated..."
Oh, I see. According to you black people are undereducated, not uneducated. I apologize for the misunderstanding.
"He started his political career in the living room of a Weather Underground bomber - the home of unrepentant terrorist that even Canada won't tolerate. "
Funny, Bush started his oil/political careers with Saudi money; I guess that makes him a muslim. No, not at all a racist slur, just a misunderstanding.
"And he undoubtedly had influential Black Muslim friends. He was chastised by Farrakhan's minion for failing to follow the directions he was given at Farrakhan's dinner table."
So he has these close muslim friends whom he can't even eat with without an argument. I can see why that scares you. Nothing to do with stinking racism, just a series of innocent mistakes I guess on my part. I really thought you were a scumbag racist.
#64 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Thu 13 Oct 2011 at 11:22 PM
In other news, cjr's Felix Salmon weighs in on your latest weak Soros talking point.
"The article is particularly problematic from my perspective because I’m incredibly proud of Reuters’s long tradition of impartial journalism. I’m on the opinion side, not bound by such things, and if you think I’m biased you’re right. (I should mention here explicitly that this post, just like everything else on this blog, is my personal opinion. It may or may not be shared by others within the organization. But it should emphatically not be taken as representing the views of Thomson Reuters.)
Reuters news stories like the one about OWS are held to a very high standard of integrity, independence, and freedom from bias. And there’s lots in this article which tilts hard to the right...
Reuters cannot — must not — get a reputation as a right-wing media outlet. We have to report the news as impartially as we can. In this case, there was no story, and nothing to report. Inventing a tenuous and intellectually-dishonest link between Soros and OWS might get us traffic from Matt Drudge — but that’s traffic which, frankly, we don’t particularly value or care for. Much more importantly, it serves to undermine the heart of what Reuters stands for. And we can never afford to do that."
#65 Posted by Thimbles, CJR on Thu 13 Oct 2011 at 11:29 PM
Does anyone know why George Soros - the richest man in Manhattan - wasn't targeted by the commies in their "March on Millionaires"?
Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
#66 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Thu 13 Oct 2011 at 11:47 PM
It looks like the commies are losing the PR war.
People are getting real sick of them, judging by the comments on the San Diego NBC affiliate's website.
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Police-Arrest-Protesters-at-Occupy-SD-131858208.html
The support for these commies seems to be expressed in the leftie outlets. Commenters in neutral outlets aren't buying the OWS silliness.
#67 Posted by padikiller, CJR on Fri 14 Oct 2011 at 01:14 PM
Judith Barnes Smith Gatta on Monday, October 17, 2011 at 3:27am.IN AM TOTALLY BEHIND YOU GUYS!!! TO GET GOVERNMENT THINKING, DO NOT PAY TAXES OR EVAN FILE TAXES APRIL 15TH 2012 THEY NEED TO LISTEN TO US! WE CANNOT PAY TAXES THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE A CHANGE. OF COURSE MOST OF US HAVE POOR CREDIT , WE HAD TO USE OUR CREDIT CARDS TO GET THROUGH THE BAD TIMES THAT WALL STREET PUT US THROUGH! NEXT IF WE ALL DO THIS WOULD THEY PUT US ALL IN JAIL?NO NOT AT ALL. BUT WE WILL HAVE THEIR ATTENTION. AND THEY MUST MAKE CHANGES SWIFTLY NOT AT THE END OF 2012 NOW ESPECIALLY LETS GET RID OF THE CREDIT BUREAUS WHO ARE STIFILING US AND OUR ECONOMY. THE BANKS THEN IN THEIR POWER, CHECK OUR CREDIT AND WILL NOT NEGOTIATE OR HELP NO LOANS ARE GIVEN OUT. WE NEED TO GET OUR ECONOMY GOING. BE MINIMALISTS!! SPEND NO MONEY!!! WE GOT STUCK, YET THE MANAGERS OF BANKS AND ALL THOSE COMPANIES STILL TOOK THEIR BONUS MONEY AND VACATIONS.
THE CREDIT BUREAUS ARE TOO POWERFUL. EVERYBODY GETS A REPORT ON YOU SO AT JOB INTERVIEW YOU HAVE BAD CREDIT YOU CANT GET A JOB,OR GET A PLACE TO LIVE. LANDLORDS GET A CREDIT HISTORY ON YOU. ITS UNFAIR THEY SOLD US OUR INFLATED HIGH MORTGAGE LOANS AND THEN THREW US IN FRONT OF THE BUS.THE BANKS SUCK.
THE OIL COMPANIES !!!!!!!! WHERE TO BEGIN. WE AND CANADA HAVE ENOUGH OIL WHY DON'T WE USE IT ALASKA TOO HAS OIL! WE ARE THE SLAVES OF THE 1% RICH. THEY GIVE THEIR WEALTH TO 3RD WORLD COUNTRIES AND MANY OF OUR KIDS GO TO BED HUNGRY.
#68 Posted by Judith A Smith, CJR on Mon 17 Oct 2011 at 03:07 PM
The Confederate States of the 1860’s; Bonus Army of 1932; Tea Party of today; and other protestors each had a singular cause. The Occupy protestors’ cause today is of we the people and comes from deep within U.S. history. This cause is expressed in the:
DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
(I)t is their (the Occupy protestor’s) right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.—
Only the last three sentences need to be altered to update the cause of we the people:
.--Such has been the patient sufferance of we the people and such is now the necessity which constrains us to alter the form and function of elected officials. The history of the present form and function of elected officials is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over those from which they derive just powers. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
#69 Posted by Anonymous, CJR on Mon 24 Oct 2011 at 07:09 PM
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#70 Posted by Fred, CJR on Mon 31 Oct 2011 at 10:18 AM